BBF HOF 8/30-9/19/08 voting thread

[jalbright]

Let the voting begin! For anyone who has not participated before, please read the rules posted here

The Rules (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1014933&postcount=2)

Those players receiving only one ballot in an election may go on to a list from which voters may only vote for a limited number of such candidates. For more details on this rule, please follow the above link to the Rules. For this election, you may not select more than one (1) from this list:


Bancroft, Dave*………
Bond, Tommy*………..
Bottomley, Jim**
Bridges, Tommy**
Burns, George*……..
Clarkson, Bus**……..
Elliott, Bob**
Mathews, Bobby**
O'Neill, Tip**
Singleton, Ken*
Veach, Bobby**


The voting for this election will end at 11:59:59 PM EDT September 19, 2008.

For more details on this rule, please consult the link to the Rules above, and to this post: Limited Selection List (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1015092&postcount=6)

Also, please note that now ballots as short as zero (0) names are now permitted. However, if a voter intends to cast a ballot naming no one, this must be clearly communicated or the ballot will not count.

Other information of note is who is in the BBF HOF.

BBF HOF membership by category (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1014935&postcount=3)

BBF HOF membership listed alphabetically (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1014936&postcount=4)

Last month's results are posted. You are requested to pay particular attention to those individuals receiving 50% or more of the vote last election, as they are the most likely candidates to be elected this month. In fact, I have specific posts on players receiving 50% or more of last month's vote:

Results of last election (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1015079&postcount=5)

Those with 50% or more last election (http://baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1015103&postcount=7)

[jalbright]

My 8/30- 9/19/08 ballot

key:
red=Japanese League
blue=Negro Leagues
green=19th century
magenta=Castro-era Cuban

We elected no one, so last election's ballot is also this one's. I currently have some open spots, and some candidates I might/probably will support yet. Of course, it's possible someone will convince me to support someone not currently in my queue or list of possibles. There's a candidate I won't block, which means I might add him at the last minute if it seems doing so will get him elected.

Players

1. Sal Bando, 3b
2. Bus Clarkson, ss
3 Leon Day, p
4. Yutaka Enatsu, p
5. Darrell Evans, 3b
6. Charlie Keller, of
7. Masaaki Koyama, p (Japan)
8. Tommy Leach, 3b/cf
9. Omar Linares, 3b
10. Herman Long, ss
11. Dick Lundy, ss
12. Hiromitsu Ochiai 1B/3B (Japan)
13. Phil Rizzuto, ss
14. Vern Stephens, ss
15. Quincy Trouppe, c
16. Bucky Walters, p

Anyone who wants more information on these or other players, please see my latest player voting guide (http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=68335)

[BlueBlood]

1. Sal Bando, 2B
2. Jake Beckley, 1B
3. Chief Bender, P
4. Jim Bottomley, 1B
5. Pete Browning, OF
6. Leon Day, p
7. Darrell Evans, 3B
8. Lefty Gomez, P
9. Addie Joss, P
10. Chuck Klein, OF
11. Jim McCormick, p
12. Sam Rice, OF
13. Vern Stephens, SS
14. Bucky Walters, P

[Cowtipper]

Jake Beckley
Chief Bender
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Kiki Cuyler
Dwight Evans
Lefty Gomez
Keith Hernandez
Charley Jones
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Masaaki Koyama
Ernie Lombardi
Heinie Manush
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Al Oliver
Billy Pierce
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Jimmy Ryan
Lee Smith
Vern Stephens
Larry Walker
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch

Darrell Evans needs a vote. I don't think I want to vote for him, however (.248 average? Black ink of eight? I don't think so).

I STRONGLY encourage you to vote for Keith Hernandez. In my opinion, he's the best modern player currently not in the BBFHOF.

[jjpm74]

1. Keith Hernandez
2. Omar Linares
3. Don Newcombe
4. Dickey Pearce
5. Lip Pike
6. Sam Rice
7. Vern Stephens

Darrel Evans will have to get in without me. .248 doesn't cut it no matter how much peak win share finagling one argues. I'm not sold on Roy Thomas, but have the space for him if one were to make a deeper comparison of him to other deadball stars.

[leecemark]

Berger, W.
Bridges, T.
Hernandez, K.
Howard, E.
Keller, C.
Leach, T.
Lombardi, E.
Morris, J.
Munson. T.
Nettles, G
Pearce, Dickey
Rice, J.
Sheckard, J.
Wynn, J

[Brad Harris]

Sal Bando
Jake Beckley
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Darrell Evans
Dwight Evans
Lefty Gomez
Keith Hernandez
Charlie Keller
Masaaki Koyama
Charley Jones
Tommy Leach
Omar Linares
Edgar Martinez
Graig Nettles
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Dickey Pearce
Lip Pike
Sam Rice
Jimmy Sheckard
Vern Stephens
Quincy Trouppe
Larry Walker
Bucky Walters
Jimmy Wynn

[bambambaseball]

Sal Bando
Jake Beckley
Wally Berger
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Kiki Cuyler
Leon Day
Yutaka Enatsu
Darrel Evans
Keith Hernandez
Chuck Klein
Tommy Leach
Dick Lundy
Edgar Martinez
Graig Nettles
Don Newcombe
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Rafael Palmiero
Dickey Pearce
Lip Pike
Spottswood Poles
Sam Rice
Phil Rizzuto
Jimmy Sheckard
Vern Stephens

[Dogdaze]

Jake Beckley
Chief Bender
Pete Browning
Kiki Cuyler
Leon Day
Yutaka Enatsu
Darrell Evans
Lefty Gomez
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Omar Linares
Ernie Lombardi
Herman Long
Dick Lundy
Heinie Manush
Thurman Munson
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Al Oliver
Spotswood Poles
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Al Rosen
Lee Smith
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch

[henrich]

1. Jake Beckley
2. Jim Bottomley
3. Davey Concepcion
4. Darrell Evans
5. Dwight Evans
6. Lefty Gomez
7. Keith Hernandez
8. Elston Howard
9. Chuck Klein
10. Tony Lazzeri
11. Jim mcCormick
12. Jack Morris
13. Graig Nettles
14. Al oliver
15. Rafael Palmeiro
16. Vada Pinson
17. Jim Rice
18. Sam Rice
19. Phil Rizzuto
20. Jimmy ryan
21. Lee Smith
22. Vern Stephens
23. Larry Walker
24. Bucky walters
25. Mickey Welch

[Windy City Fan]

1. Sal Bando
2. Chief Bender
3. Gavvy Cravath
4. Darrell Evans
5. Dwight Evans
6. Keith Hernandez
7. Addie Joss
8. Lip Pike
9. Lee Smith
10. Vern Stephens
11. Jimmy Wynn

[Captain Cold Nose]

Jake Beckley
Pete Browning
Kiki Cuyler
Leon Day
Darrell Evans
Lefty Gomez
Keith Hernandez
Bob Johnson
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Ernie Lombardi
Heinie Manush
Edgar Martinez
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Rafael Palmeiro
Lip Pike
Spot Poles
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Jimmy Ryan
Jimmy Sheckard
Lee Smith
Quincy Trouppe
Larry Walker
Mickey Welch

[dgarza]

Jake Beckley
Pete Browning
Kiki Cuyler
Darrell Evans
Lefty Gomez
Bob Johnson
Chuck Klein
Tony Lazzeri
Ernie Lombardi
Heinie Manush
Edgar Martinez
Bobby Mathews
Don Mattingly
Jim McCormick
Tony Oliva
Al Oliver
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Al Rosen
Lee Smith
Vern Stephens
Larry Walker
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch

[TheSlaff]

Sal Bando
Jake Beckley
Bobby Bonds
Pete Browning
Kiki Cuyler
Bob Elliott
Darrell Evans
Dwight Evans
Lefty Gomez
Keith Hernandez
Addie Joss
Chuck Klein
Edgar Martinez
Don Newcombe
Rafael Palmeiro
Dickey Pearce
Billy Pierce
Lip Pike
Jim Rice
Sam Rice
Jimmy Sheckard
Vern Stephens
Larry Walker
Bucky Walters
Mickey Welch

[STLCards2]

Jake Beckley
Tommy Bridges
Pete Browning
Darrell Evans
Addie Joss
Edgar Martinez
Billy Pierce
Larry Walker



Man, some of us have very large personal HOFs!:eek:

[J W]

Slight shift in philosophy -- Darrell Evans and Graig Nettles replace Tommy Leach and Wally Berger:

Jake Beckley
Bobby Bonds
Darrell Evans
Lefty Gomez
Addie Joss
Edgar Martinez*
Graig Nettles
Tony Oliva
Jimmy Ryan
Larry Walker*
Mickey Welch
Bernie Williams*
Jimmy Wynn
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[Freakshow]

Election #68. I gave Billy Pierce four shots on my ballot; he failed to gain traction so I replaced him with Walters, who is developing some momentum. Average number of elections on my ballot is 15.4, an all-time high.

26 Beckley-1B
6 Bonds-RF*
13 Browning P-OF*
7 Cravath-RF*
42 Evans Da-3B*
30 Evans Dw-RF*
30 Hernandez-1B*
7 Jones Ch-LF*
13 Keller-LF*
14 Klein-RF
11 Leach T-3B*
17 Martinez E-DH*
14 Nettles-3B*
31 Palmeiro-1B*
19 Pearce D-SS*
11 Pike-CF*
2 Rice J-LF*
17 Ryan J-CF*
16 Sheckard-LF*
2 Staub-RF*
8 Trouppe-C*
5 Walker L-RF*
1 Walters B-P*
8 Welch M-P
35 Wynn J-CF*

* = not in HOF
bold = member of the Hall of Merit

[AG2004]

My September 19, 2008 ballot

PLAYERS
Sal Bando
Wally Berger
Bobby Bonds
George J. Burns
Yutaka Enatsu
Darrell Evans
Dwight Evans
Keith Hernandez
Charlie Keller
Masaaki Koyama
Tommy Leach
Omar Linares
Herman Long
Graig Nettles
Don Newcombe
Hiromitsu Ochiai
Dickey Pearce
Spotswood Poles
Phil Rizzuto
Jimmy Sheckard
Rusty Staub
Dave Stieb
Quincy Trouppe
Bucky Walters
Jimmy Wynn

[Paul Wendt]

I did not give the promised consideration to Rusty Staub & Jake Beckley, too much baseball time spent on other things.

Omar Linares replaces Dave Concepcion.

Dave Bancroft
Wally Berger
Bobby Bonds
Gavy Cravath
Darrell Evans
Dwight Evans
Keith Hernandez
Charley Jones
Fielder Jones
Charlie Keller
Tommy Leach
Omar Linares
Herman Long
Edgar Martinez
Graig Nettles
Don Newcombe
Rafael Palmeiro
Dickey Pearce
Lip Pike
Jimmy Sheckard
Roy Thomas
Quincy Trouppe
Sol White
Bernie Williams
Jimmy Wynn

[jalbright]

Wow, Paul, way to sneak in before the deadline--three whole minutes to spare!

[jalbright]

We had 18 valid votes cast, and elected Darrell Evans. We've got one more regular election before our annual election with the contributor ballot and the new class (Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Mike Piazza, Craig Biggio and Sammy Sosa all figure prominently) of players. The results:


Player votes pct Player votes pct
Evans, Darrell……. 15 83.3 Bancroft, Dave 1 5.6
Beckley, Jake…….. 13 72.2 Bando, Sal……….. 7 38.9
Hernandez, Keith… 12 66.7 Beckley, Jake…….. 13 72.2
Browning, Pete…… 10 55.6 Bender, Chief…….. 4 22.2
Rice, Sam………….. 10 55.6 Berger, Wally…….. 4 22.2
Stephens, Vern….. 10 55.6 Bonds, Bobby……. 8 44.4
Walters, Bucky…… 10 55.6 Bottomley, Jim……. 2 11.1
Gomez, Lefty…….. 9 50.0 Bridges, Tommy….. 2 11.1
Klein, Chuck………. 9 50.0 Browning, Pete…… 10 55.6
Martinez, Edgar…… 9 50.0 Burns, George……. 1 5.6
Walker, Larry…….. 9 50.0 Clarkson, Bus……. 1 5.6
Bonds, Bobby……. 8 44.4 Concepcion, Dave 1 5.6
Evans, Dwight……. 8 44.4 Cravath, Gavvy…… 3 16.7
Joss, Addie……… 8 44.4 Cuyler, Kiki………… 6 33.3
Nettles, Graig…….. 8 44.4 Day, Leon…………. 5 27.8
Pearce, Dickey……. 8 44.4 Elliott, Bob…………. 1 5.6
Pike, Lip………….. 8 44.4 Enatsu, Yutaka….. 4 22.2
Rice, Jim………….. 8 44.4 Evans, Darrell……. 15 83.3
Sheckard, Jimmy…. 8 44.4 Evans, Dwight……. 8 44.4
Welch, Mickey……. 8 44.4 Gomez, Lefty…….. 9 50.0
Bando, Sal……….. 7 38.9 Hernandez, Keith… 12 66.7
Leach, Tommy…… 7 38.9 Howard, Elston 2 11.1
Ochiai, Hiromitsu 7 38.9 Johnson, Bob…….. 2 11.1
Palmeiro, Rafael….. 7 38.9 Jones, Charley…… 4 22.2
Wynn, Jimmy……… 7 38.9 Jones, Fielder 1 5.6
Cuyler, Kiki………… 6 33.3 Joss, Addie……… 8 44.4
Keller, Charlie…….. 6 33.3 Keller, Charlie…….. 6 33.3
Linares, Omar 6 33.3 Klein, Chuck………. 9 50.0
Smith, Lee………… 6 33.3 Koyama, Masaaki 4 22.2
Trouppe, Quincy…. 6 33.3 Lazzeri, Tony…….. 2 11.1
Day, Leon…………. 5 27.8 Leach, Tommy…… 7 38.9
Lombardi, Ernie…… 5 27.8 Linares, Omar 6 33.3
Newcombe, Don…. 5 27.8 Lombardi, Ernie…… 5 27.8
Ryan, Jimmy………. 5 27.8 Long, Herman…….. 4 22.2
Bender, Chief…….. 4 22.2 Lundy, Dick……….. 3 16.7
Berger, Wally…….. 4 22.2 Manush, Heinie…… 4 22.2
Enatsu, Yutaka….. 4 22.2 Martinez, Edgar…… 9 50.0
Jones, Charley…… 4 22.2 Mathews, Bobby… 1 5.6
Koyama, Masaaki 4 22.2 Mattingly, Don…….. 1 5.6
Long, Herman…….. 4 22.2 McCormick, Jim…… 3 16.7
Manush, Heinie…… 4 22.2 Morris, Jack……… 2 11.1
Oliver, Al………….. 4 22.2 Munson, Thurman.. 2 11.1
Poles, Spot 4 22.2 Nettles, Graig…….. 8 44.4
Rizzuto, Phil……… 4 22.2 Newcombe, Don…. 5 27.8
Cravath, Gavvy…… 3 16.7 Ochiai, Hiromitsu 7 38.9
Lundy, Dick……….. 3 16.7 Oliva, Tony……….. 2 11.1
McCormick, Jim…… 3 16.7 Oliver, Al………….. 4 22.2
Pierce, Billy 3 16.7 Palmeiro, Rafael….. 7 38.9
Bottomley, Jim……. 2 11.1 Pearce, Dickey……. 8 44.4
Bridges, Tommy….. 2 11.1 Pierce, Billy 3 16.7
Howard, Elston 2 11.1 Pike, Lip………….. 8 44.4
Johnson, Bob…….. 2 11.1 Pinson, Vada……… 1 5.6
Lazzeri, Tony…….. 2 11.1 Poles, Spotswood… 4 22.2
Morris, Jack……… 2 11.1 Rice, Jim………….. 8 44.4
Munson, Thurman.. 2 11.1 Rice, Sam………….. 10 55.6
Oliva, Tony……….. 2 11.1 Rizzuto, Phil……… 4 22.2
Rosen, Al…………. 2 11.1 Rosen, Al…………. 2 11.1
Staub, Rusty……… 2 11.1 Ryan, Jimmy………. 5 27.8
Williams, Bernie…… 2 11.1 Sheckard, Jimmy…. 8 44.4
Bancroft, Dave 1 5.6 Smith, Lee………… 6 33.3
Burns, George……. 1 5.6 Staub, Rusty……… 2 11.1
Clarkson, Bus……. 1 5.6 Stephens, Vern….. 10 55.6
Concepcion, Dave 1 5.6 Stieb, Dave 1 5.6
Elliott, Bob…………. 1 5.6 Thomas, Roy 1 5.6
Jones, Fielder 1 5.6 Trouppe, Quincy…. 6 33.3
Mathews, Bobby… 1 5.6 Walker, Larry…….. 9 50.0
Mattingly, D…….. 1 5.6 Walters, Bucky…… 10 55.6
Pinson, Vada……… 1 5.6 Welch, Mickey……. 8 44.4
Stieb, Dave 1 5.6 White, Sol 1 5.6
Thomas, Roy 1 5.6 Williams, Bernie…… 2 11.1
White, Sol 1 5.6 Wynn, Jimmy……… 7 38.9