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BlueBlood
08-23-2008, 12:29 PM
Welcome to the fifth block of twenty names of eligible Cooperstown candidates not in the Hall of Fame.

Here are the top eighty names that this lengthy series of polls and lists has resulted in:

This Project's Top 80 Candidates For The Hall Of Fame

1. Ron Santo
2. Bert Blyleven
3. Tim Raines
4. Dick Allen
5. Bill Dahlen
6. Minnie Minoso
7. Alan Trammell
8. Paul Hines
9. Ted Simmons
10. Deacon White
11. Sherry Magee
12. Bobby Grich
13. Mark McGwire
14. Joe Gordon
15. Ross Barnes
16. Joe Torre
17. Dale Murphy
18. Stan Hack
19. Andre Dawson
20. Harry Stovey
21. Lou Whitaker
22. Charlie Bennett
23. Larry Doyle/Wes Ferrell/Carl Mays
26. Bob Caruthers/Darrell Evans
28. Joe Start
29. Bill Freehan
30. Vern Stephens
31. Dave Parker
32. Tony Mullane/George Van Haltren
34. Will Clark
35. Heinie Groh
36. Keith Hernandez
37. Jim Rice
38. Albert Belle
39. Dwight Evans
40. Gil Hodges
41. Ken Boyer
42. George Gore
43. Ezra Sutton
44. Dickey Peace
45. Jack Glasscock
46. Dan Quisenberry
47. Tommy Leach/Cal McVey
49. Cupid Childs
50. Wilbur Cooper
51. Jimmy Sheckard
52. Charlie Keller
53. Pete Browning/Graig Nettles
55. Gavvy Cravath/Jimmy Ryan
57. Jim Kaat
58. Wally Schang
59. Bobby Bonds
60. Wally Berger
61. Bucky Walters
62. Jim Wynn
63. Herman Long
64. Bob Elliott
65. Tommy Bridges/Bob Johnson
67. Tony Oliva
68. Lee Smith
69. Tommy John/Don Newcombe
71. Luis Tiant/Mickey Vernon
73. Urban Shocker
74. Bobby Veach
75. Reggie Smith
76. George J Burns/Mike Donlin
78. Thurman Munson
79. Frank Howard/Fielder Jones

Pitcher:

1. Bert Blyleven
2. Wes Ferrell/Carl Mays
4. Bob Caruthers
5. Tony Mullane
6. Dan Quisenberry
7. Wilbur Cooper
8. Jim Kaat
9. Bucky Walters
10. Tommy Bridges
11. Lee Smith
12. Tommy John/Don Newcombe
14. Luis Tiant
15. Urban Shocker

First Base:

1. Dick Allen
2. Mark McGwire
3. Joe Start
4. Will Clark
5. Keith Hernandez
6. Gil Hodges
7. Cal McVey
8. Mickey Vernon

Second Base:

1. Bobby Grich
2. Joe Gordon
3. Ross Barnes
4. Lou Whitaker
5. Larry Doyle
6. Cupid Childs

Shortstop:

1. Bill Dahlen
2. Alan Trammell
3. Vern Stephens
4. Dickey Pearce
5. Jack Glasscock
6. Herman Long

Third Base:

1. Ron Santo
2. Deacon White (also see Catcher)
3. Stan Hack
4. Darrell Evans
5. Heinie Groh
6. Ken Boyer
7. Ezra Sutton
8. Tommy Leach
9. Graig Nettles
10. Bob Elliott

Catcher:

1. Ted Simmons
2. Deacon White (also see Third Base)
3. Joe Torre
4. Charlie Bennett
5. Bill Freehan
6. Wally Schang
7. Thurman Munson

Left Field:

1. Tim Raines
2. Minnie Minoso
3. Sherry Magee
4. Harry Stovey
5. Jim Rice
6. Albert Belle
7. Jimmy Sheckard
8. Charlie Keller
9. Bob Johnson
10. Bobby Veach
11. George J Burns
12. Frank Howard

Center Field:

1. Paul Hines
2. Dale Murphy
3. George Van Haltren
4. George Gore
5. Pete Browning
6. Jimmy Ryan
7. Wally Berger
8. Jimmy Wynn
9. Mike Donlin

Right Field:

1. Andre Dawson
2. Dave Parker
3. Dwight Evans
4. Gavvy Cravath
5. Bobby Bonds
6. Tony Oliva
7. Reggie Smith
8. Fielder Jones

BlueBlood
08-23-2008, 12:32 PM
This Week's Ballot:

Norm Cash
Dave Concepcion
David Cone
Lave Cross
Jack Fournier
Steve Garvey
Elston Howard
Ted Kluszewski
Dolf Luque
Don Mattingly
Jack Morris
Buddy Myer
Lefty O'Doul
Billy Pierce
Lip Pike
Hardy Richardson
Al Rosen
Bret Saberhagen
Cy Seymour
Roy Thomas

BlueBlood
08-23-2008, 12:35 PM
Norm Cash - Maybe
Dave Concepcion - No
David Cone - No
Lave Cross - No
Jack Fournier - No
Steve Garvey - Maybe
Elston Howard - No
Ted Kluszewski - No
Dolf Luque - No
Don Mattingly - Maybe
Jack Morris - No
Buddy Myer - No
Lefty O'Doul - Yes
Billy Pierce - No
Lip Pike - Yes
Hardy Richardson - Yes
Al Rosen - No
Bret Saberhagen - No
Cy Seymour - No
Roy Thomas - No

Edit: "No" to Saberhagen. I don't know what sort of WARP-contrivance The Hall Of Merit used for him, but I'm still not buying it. Switched from "Maybe"

jjpm74
08-23-2008, 12:37 PM
Norm Cash No
Dave Concepcion No
David Cone No
Lave Cross No
Jack Fournier No
Steve Garvey No
Elston Howard No
Ted Kluszewski No
Dolf Luque No
Don Mattingly Maybe
Jack Morris Maybe
Buddy Myer No
Lefty O'Doul Yes
Billy Pierce Maybe
Lip Pike Yes
Hardy Richardson Maybe
Al Rosen No
Bret Saberhagen No
Cy Seymour No
Roy Thomas No

Paul Wendt
08-23-2008, 01:28 PM
bold - Yes (certainly in the top 40)
underline - maybe
plain - No

Norm Cash
Dave Concepcion
David Cone
Lave Cross
Jack Fournier
Steve Garvey
Elston Howard
Ted Kluszewski
Dolf Luque
Don Mattingly
Jack Morris
Buddy Myer
Lefty O'Doul
Billy Pierce
Lip Pike
Hardy Richardson
Al Rosen
Bret Saberhagen
Cy Seymour
Roy Thomas

Hardy Richardson is the 33rd player "certainly in the top 40" with no one coming up in the Sal Bando group.

jalbright
08-23-2008, 03:14 PM
Other than Richardson and possibly O'Doul (see note at end of post), I vote no on this group:

Norm Cash
Dave Concepcion
David Cone
Lave Cross
Jack Fournier
Steve Garvey
Elston Howard
Ted Kluszewski
Dolf Luque
Don Mattingly
Jack Morris
Buddy Myer
Lefty O'Doul
Billy Pierce
Lip Pike
Hardy Richardson--Yes
Al Rosen
Bret Saberhagen
Cy Seymour
Roy Thomas

Do we count anything but player contributions? I like O'Doul as a contributor, but not solely as a player.

BlueBlood
08-23-2008, 03:43 PM
That's a question Freakshow needs to answer. Although, I could've sworn that the early UQFC polls told us to take everything into account...

leecemark
08-23-2008, 05:45 PM
Norm Cash - no
Dave Concepcion - maybe
David Cone - no
Lave Cross - no
Jack Fournier - no
Steve Garvey - no
Elston Howard - maybe
Ted Kluszewski - no
Dolf Luque - no
Don Mattingly - maybe
Jack Morris - maybe
Buddy Myer - no
Lefty O'Doul - no
Billy Pierce - maybe
Lip Pike - maybe
Hardy Richardson - maybe
Al Rosen - maybe
Bret Saberhagen - no
Cy Seymour - no
Roy Thomas - no

dgarza
08-23-2008, 07:42 PM
Norm Cash - NO
Dave Concepcion - NO
David Cone - YES
Lave Cross - NO
Jack Fournier - MAYBE
Steve Garvey - YES
Elston Howard - NO
Ted Kluszewski - NO
Dolf Luque - NO
Don Mattingly - YES
Jack Morris - YES
Buddy Myer - NO
Lefty O'Doul - MAYBE
Billy Pierce - YES
Lip Pike - YES
Hardy Richardson - YES
Al Rosen - YES
Bret Saberhagen - NO
Cy Seymour - NO
Roy Thomas - NO

Brad Harris
08-23-2008, 07:54 PM
Norm Cash - no
Dave Concepcion - no
David Cone - no
Lave Cross - no
Jack Fournier - no
Steve Garvey - no
Elston Howard - yes
Ted Kluszewski - no
Dolf Luque - no
Don Mattingly - no
Jack Morris - no
Buddy Myer - no
Lefty O'Doul - no
Billy Pierce - yes
Lip Pike - yes
Hardy Richardson - yes
Al Rosen - no
Bret Saberhagen - yes
Cy Seymour - no
Roy Thomas - no

henrich
08-23-2008, 10:30 PM
Norm Cash-no
Dave Concepcion-yes
David Cone-yes
Lave Cross-maybe
Jack Fournier-no
Steve Garvey-yes
Elston Howard-yes
Ted Kluszewski-no
Dolf Luque-no
Don Mattingly-maybe
Jack Morris-yes
Buddy Myer-no
Lefty O'Doul-no
Billy Pierce-no
Lip Pike-no
Hardy Richardson-no
Al Rosen-no
Bret Saberhagen-no
Cy Seymour-no
Roy Thomas-no

BlueBlood
08-29-2008, 06:59 PM
A week old tomorrow, this is your last chance to post a ballot. You may have until Sunday depending on how busy my Saturday is but I wouldn't totally bet on that.

Paul Wendt
08-29-2008, 08:36 PM
Eight is a painfully smaller electorate.

If you have voted here before, please do so again on Saturday.

Other Folks,
If you know of all these players, consider taking some time Saturday to cast a ballot here. This must be the easiest "cast" ever. Copy the ballot from #2. You can even do nothing for "No" (see Paul Wendt or jalbright); only mark the Maybe and Yes.

Freakshow
08-29-2008, 09:20 PM
Norm Cash - no
Dave Concepcion - m
David Cone - m
Lave Cross - m
Jack Fournier - no
Steve Garvey - no
Elston Howard - m
Ted Kluszewski - no
Dolf Luque - m
Don Mattingly - no
Jack Morris - m
Buddy Myer - no
Lefty O'Doul - m
Billy Pierce - m
Lip Pike - yes
Hardy Richardson - yes
Al Rosen - no
Bret Saberhagen - m
Cy Seymour - no
Roy Thomas - no

Windy City Fan
08-29-2008, 09:41 PM
Norm Cash - No
Dave Concepcion - Maybe
David Cone - Maybe
Lave Cross - No
Jack Fournier - No
Steve Garvey - No
Elston Howard - No
Ted Kluszewski - No
Dolf Luque - No
Don Mattingly - No
Jack Morris - No
Buddy Myer - No
Lefty O'Doul - Yes
Billy Pierce - No
Lip Pike - Yes
Hardy Richardson - No
Al Rosen - Maybe
Bret Saberhagen - Maybe
Cy Seymour - No
Roy Thomas - No

BlueBlood
08-30-2008, 04:41 PM
Results:


Richardson - 65%
(6 Yes, 2 Maybe)

Pike - 55%
(5 Yes, 2 Maybe)

O'Doul - 35%
(3 Yes, 2 Maybe)

Pierce - 30%
(2 Yes, 4 Maybe)

Cone/Morris - 27.5%
(2 Yes, 3 Maybe)

Howard - 25%
(2 Yes, 2 Maybe)

Garvey - 22.5%
(2 Yes, 1 Maybe)

Concepcion/Mattingly - 20%
(1 Yes, 4 Maybe)

Saberhagen - 17.5%
(1 Yes, 3 Maybe)

Rosen - 15%
(1 Yes, 2 Maybe)

Cross - 7.5%
(3 Maybe)

Luque - 5%
(2 Maybe)

Cash/Fournier/Thomas - 2.5%
(1 Maybe)

Kluszewski/Myer/Seymour - 0%

81. Hardy Richardson
82. Lip Pike
83. Lefty O'Doul
84. Billy Pierce
85. David Cone/Jack Morris
87. Elston Howard
88. Steve Garvey
89. Dave Concepcion/Don Mattingly
91. Bret Saberhagen
92. Al Rosen
93. Lave Cross
94. Dolf Luque
95. Norm Cash/Jack Fournier/Roy Thomas
98. Ted Kluszewski/Buddy Myer/Cy Seymour

Ranking Of The Top 100 Candidates Allowing For Upward And Downward Mobility Between Blocs of Candidates:

1. Ron Santo
2. Bert Blyleven
3. Tim Raines
4. Dick Allen
5. Bill Dahlen
6. Minnie Minoso
7. Alan Trammell
8. Paul Hines
9. Ted Simmons
10. Deacon White
11. Sherry Magee
12. Bobby Grich
13. Mark McGwire
14. Joe Gordon
15. Ross Barnes
16. Joe Torre
17. Dale Murphy
18. Stan Hack
19. Andre Dawson
20. Harry Stovey
21. Lou Whitaker
22. Ken Boyer
23. Charlie Bennett
24. Larry Doyle/Carl Mays/Wes Ferrell
27. Bob Caruthers/Darrell Evans
29. Hardy Richardson
30. Joe Start
31. George Gore/Bucky Walters
33. Ezra Sutton
34. Bill Freehan
35. Vern Stephens
36. Lip Pike
37. Dave Parker
38. Dickey Pearce
39. Jack Glasscock
40. Tony Mullane/George Van Haltren
42. Dan Quisenberry
43. Will Clark
44. Tommy Leach/Cal McVey
46. Heinie Groh
47. Cupid Childs
48. Keith Hernandez
49. Jim Rice
50. Albert Belle
51. Wilbur Cooper
52. Dwight Evans
53. Jimmy Sheckard
54. Lefty O'Doul/Jim Wynn
56. Charlie Keller
57. Herman Long
58. Pete Browning/Graig Nettles
60. Billy Pierce/Bob Elliott
62. David Cone/Jack Morris/Tommy Bridges/Bob Johnson
66. Elston Howard/Gil Hodges/Tony Oliva
69. Gavy Cravath/Jimmy Ryan
71. Steve Garvey/Lee Smith
73. Dave Concepcion/Don Mattingly/Tommy John/Don Newcombe
77. Jim Kaat
78. Bret Saberhagen/Luis Tiant/Mickey Vernon
81. Urban Shocker
82. Wally Schang
83. Al Rosen
84. Bobby Veach
85. Reggie Smith
86. Bobby Bonds
87. George J Burns/Mike Donlin
89. Thurman Munson
90. Wally Berger
91. Lave Cross
92. Dolf Luque
93. Frank Howard/Fielder Jones
95. Norm Cash/Jack Fournier/Roy Thomas
98. Ted Kluszewski/Buddy Myer/Cy Seymour