Mulder=Toast

[kenboyer14]

Just to stoke up some conversation:

Today's Post-Dispatch has an article about Mark Mulder's latest efforts (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/54CE7D7F97E85F0D862574AD0011B8ED?OpenDocument) to try and get back his range of motion in his problematic left shoulder. His latest solutions include rubbing a massage tool under his armpit and yoga.

It seems pretty certain that his career is over. It's a shame not only for him personally and for the Cards, but also because Dan Haren is pitching so well for Arizona. This trade definitely makes the pantheon of all-time worst Cards trades. :banghead:

[bleacherbum73]

Just to stoke up some conversation:

Today's Post-Dispatch has an article about Mark Mulder's latest efforts (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/54CE7D7F97E85F0D862574AD0011B8ED?OpenDocument) to try and get back his range of motion in his problematic left shoulder. His latest solutions include rubbing a massage tool under his armpit and yoga.

It seems pretty certain that his career is over. It's a shame not only for him personally and for the Cards, but also because Dan Haren is pitching so well for Arizona. This trade definitely makes the pantheon of all-time worst Cards trades. :banghead:

It looks like a bad trade now, but at the time it made sense. I'ts just one of those things.:noidea

[hubkittel]

I've heard that Mulder may try to comeback next year. Of course, if he does he'll be doing it for some other team. I wish him the best of luck.

Btw, the worst trade in Cardinal history was Steve Carlton for Rick Wise. And I'm also partial to badness of the Ted Simmons, Rollie Fingers, and Pete Vuckovich for Sixto Lezcano, Dave Lapoint, David Green, and Larry Sorenson deal. Not only did my favorite player (Simmons) get traded, we made the Brewers a contender, gave them two Cy Young Award winners, and the best player we got in return was Snacks Lapoint.

[JessePopHaines16]

Just to stoke up some conversation:

Today's Post-Dispatch has an article about Mark Mulder's latest efforts (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/54CE7D7F97E85F0D862574AD0011B8ED?OpenDocument) to try and get back his range of motion in his problematic left shoulder. His latest solutions include rubbing a massage tool under his armpit and yoga.

It seems pretty certain that his career is over. It's a shame not only for him personally and for the Cards, but also because Dan Haren is pitching so well for Arizona. This trade definitely makes the pantheon of all-time worst Cards trades. :banghead:

I knew this was a bad trade when it happened but its just one of those things that was a bad choice by the upper management.

[JessePopHaines16]

I've heard that Mulder may try to comeback next year. Of course, if he does he'll be doing it for some other team. I wish him the best of luck.

Btw, the worst trade in Cardinal history was Steve Carlton for Rick Wise. And I'm also partial to badness of the Ted Simmons, Rollie Fingers, and Pete Vuckovich for Sixto Lezcano, Dave Lapoint, David Green, and Larry Sorenson deal. Not only did my favorite player (Simmons) get traded, we made the Brewers a contender, gave them two Cy Young Award winners, and the best player we got in return was Snacks Lapoint.


Just think we could of had Carlton, Fingers, and Simmons on those cardinal teams of the 80s with Ozzie and McGee. Boy if we knew what kind of teams those would have been.

[JMW-BaseballNut]

I would still talk to him about a heavily incentive laden minor league contract and let him have a shot, if he feels he can do it. Allowable incentives like # of major league starts, innings pitched, awards like Comeback Player of the Year. Worst that happens is he flames out in the minors & you are out extremely small coin. (Comparatively, of course, as the small coin would still probably be more than I will make in a lifetime... :) )

I would think it is possible he feels he owes the Cardinals the chance. Of course, if he feels great this winter, he could go the route of having an open tryout and end up getting another team to bite on a better contract.

[hubkittel]

I think that the Cards hold a team option on him for next year so our only options are pick up the option or let him go. Of course, I guess they could resign him to some kind of deal after that but I think it would be best for all parties if they just went there separate ways. There's something to be said for fresh starts, new locations, etc.

[hubkittel]

Just think we could of had Carlton, Fingers, and Simmons on those cardinal teams of the 80s with Ozzie and McGee. Boy if we knew what kind of teams those would have been.

It was an interesting deal. Whitey was wheeling and dealing. He had picked up Fingers and Gene Tenance for Terry Kennedy and a bunch of guys and then the very next day traded Leon Durham and Kennie Reitz for Bruce Sutter. It goes without saying that Whitey was trying to get himself a closer. The Brewers deal was really the only one that didn't work out. Whitey was trying to upgrade the outfield and the key to the deal was supposed to be David Green, who for various reasons didn't work out, but the trade almost didn't go down because the Brewers didn't want to include him.

Simmons actually wasn't going to be traded. Whitey had made the decision to trade Keith Hernandez and then move Simmons to first but at the last minute Simmons decided he didn't want to play first. Whitey, to say the least, was displeased and shipped Simmons out. It was a crazy offseason.

I'm not sure why Vuckovich was traded but that was just a flat-out mistake. The guy was a horse and a front of the rotation innings-eater who went on to win the Cy Young in '81. I think he blew his arm out in '83 and was done after that but the Cards probably could have won the series in '81 if they had kept him.

The trade of Carlton (and Jerry Reuss at the same time) was a terrible mistake that cost the team a few division championships in the '70s. They were a good hitting team without enough pitching and they traded away a number one and number two starter over a few thousand dollars.