Rose vs. Steroid Users

[kgrifeyjr30]

What do you think challenges the integrity of the game more: players who use performance enhancing drugs to get an unfair advantage or a player with a gambling addiction who bet on other sports and bet on his own team strictly to WIN? Clearly you know who I'm talking about. Do PED users belong in the HOF anymore then Rose?

[west coast orange and black]

it has been posited that about 70% of all questions asked are not about seeking actual answers.

[Brad Harris]

It's also true that there's no such thing as stupid questions, only questions asked by stupid people.

[Fuzzy Bear]

What do you think challenges the integrity of the game more: players who use performance enhancing drugs to get an unfair advantage or a player with a gambling addiction who bet on other sports and bet on his own team strictly to WIN? Clearly you know who I'm talking about. Do PED users belong in the HOF anymore then Rose?

The gambling issue is far more of a threat to the integrity of the game than the PED issue.

Firstly, the athletes using PEDs were playing to win; they were using PEDs to become the best they can be.

Secondly, PED usage was not an action taken by a few. PED usage was widespread to the point where it was a condition of the time, as much as the balata ball was a condition of MLB in the WWII era. Steroids were available to all players; those who did not use them made that choice voluntarily. Furthermore, it is not reasonable, at this juncture, to believe that the widespread PED use in MLB was not condoned, if not outrightly encouraged, by MLB management. In other words, any ballplayer who wanted to use PEDs could do so, and any ballplayer who did so had every reason to believe that his team, and MLB, itself, winked and nodded at this.

Any player that gambles on baseball is a threat to be in a situation to where he will be in a financial hole to where arranging a dishonest outcome of a game is a necessity for him to keep breathing. Rose did not get to the bottom of this gambling sewer; there is no evidence to believe that he bet against his team, or threw games. For this reason, I believe his penalty should be less than what the Black Sox received. I believe his suspension should be lifted posthumously, and I would not be opposed to lifting his suspension in his lifetime. (His contrition and his honesty about his behavior are not issues to me; they are issues for the sensation-seeking press who love to ask people when they stopped beating their wives.)

I'm sick and tired of the sanctimony regarding PED players; it is pseudo-moralism of the worst kind. I'm also sick and tired of people browbeating Rose because he "lied" for years. (Why should he have "come clean"? When he did, he received even more scorn.) Let's deal with the reality of people's actions, and the context in which those actions took place, and let's stop the Spanish Inquisitions and Witch Hunts.

[Captain Cold Nose]

kgrifeyjr, this is a subject that has been discussed at great length here a few too many times than it need be. You may want to use the search function to see if discussion on the thread already exists before starting a new one.

[kgrifeyjr30]

Fuzzy Bear- thanks for your insight and response.

Captain Cold Nose- I'm kinda new to the site but thanks I'll do that next time.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Fuzzy Bear- thanks for your insight and response.

Captain Cold Nose- I'm kinda new to the site but thanks I'll do that next time.

I know you're new, it's all good. Just a heads up if you were expecting a lot of responses to this one.

[Brad Harris]

The gambling issue is far more of a threat to the integrity of the game than the PED issue.

Firstly, the athletes using PEDs were playing to win; they were using PEDs to become the best they can be.

Secondly, PED usage was not an action taken by a few. PED usage was widespread to the point where it was a condition of the time, as much as the balata ball was a condition of MLB in the WWII era. Steroids were available to all players; those who did not use them made that choice voluntarily. Furthermore, it is not reasonable, at this juncture, to believe that the widespread PED use in MLB was not condoned, if not outrightly encouraged, by MLB management. In other words, any ballplayer who wanted to use PEDs could do so, and any ballplayer who did so had every reason to believe that his team, and MLB, itself, winked and nodded at this.

Any player that gambles on baseball is a threat to be in a situation to where he will be in a financial hole to where arranging a dishonest outcome of a game is a necessity for him to keep breathing. Rose did not get to the bottom of this gambling sewer; there is no evidence to believe that he bet against his team, or threw games. For this reason, I believe his penalty should be less than what the Black Sox received. I believe his suspension should be lifted posthumously, and I would not be opposed to lifting his suspension in his lifetime. (His contrition and his honesty about his behavior are not issues to me; they are issues for the sensation-seeking press who love to ask people when they stopped beating their wives.)

I'm sick and tired of the sanctimony regarding PED players; it is pseudo-moralism of the worst kind. I'm also sick and tired of people browbeating Rose because he "lied" for years. (Why should he have "come clean"? When he did, he received even more scorn.) Let's deal with the reality of people's actions, and the context in which those actions took place, and let's stop the Spanish Inquisitions and Witch Hunts.

Amen, Brother Bear! Amen and hallelujah!