3 way deal with Manny being involved

[Avg_Hr_Rbi]

a possible deal in the works

Manny to the Marlins

Jason bay to the Sox

and Willingham or Hermida to the Pirates

all rumored on ESPN right now...thoughts?

[slugger33]

Good deal for all parties involved if it goes through.

[Inge15]

If I were the Marlins I wouldn't want to give up both corner outfielders.

[Avg_Hr_Rbi]

yeah, let me say it's all being rumored as a possible deal, hasn't already happened as I made it seem by my post....sorry

[Avg_Hr_Rbi]

If I were the Marlins I wouldn't want to give up both corner outfielders.

not both being rumored, one of them would be gone....

[brewers96]

That would be nice.

[Avg_Hr_Rbi]

could Bay step in and fill in nicely for Manny? I mean he's for sure a better OF but can he protect Ortiz in the Line-Up?.......either way you chalk this (possible) deal up for the Sox...losing Manny is going to be a huge hit for the Red Sox....but a move that will either happen now or at worse during the Off season......

and if Manny becomes a FA this Off-season.....I'll bet he ends up home back in the Bronx with the Yankees to end his career...just my :twocents:

[redlegsfan21]

I don't like the deal from a Pittsburgh fan perspective. Jason Bay is way better than Hermida.

This is what I found.

Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

[NYMets523]

I don't think it will get done to be honest.

[sturg1dj]

it would be cool if the Pirates could come out of this season with a good foundation though


not really a pirates fan...but its a team I would like to see good again

[Erik Bedard]

I don't like the deal from a Pittsburgh fan perspective. Jason Bay is way better than Hermida.

This is what I found.

Marlins get Manny Ramirez, one prospect (BOS), and cash (likely Ramirez’s remaining salary)
Pirates get Jeremy Hermida and three prospects (two FLO, one BOS)
Red Sox get Jason Bay and John Grabow

The Red Sox are getting hosed here. Bay is good, but he's no Manny. And if they have to part with Bowden in this deal, along with paying Ramirez's salary... maybe they should try and deal with the headaches.

[NYMets523]

The Pirates are getting hosed, IMO. Bay and Grabow are worth more than Hermida and 3 prospects.

[DownUnderDodger]

According to Peter Gammons on Baseball Tonight, things were really hotting up in the possible Manny trade. He even stated that 5 hours earlier he would have said no way, but it was moving so fast it was now a distinct possibility. It will be interesting to see what transpires between now and the trade deadline.

[Erik Bedard]

The Pirates are getting hosed, IMO. Bay and Grabow are worth more than Hermida and 3 prospects.

It really depends who the prospects are. If they can get Maybin and/or Bowden and/or Volstad and/or Sinkbeil and/or Anderson, in addition to Maybin, this would be one pretty good deal.

[Jayme]

The Palm Beach Post says a tentative agreement has been reached, despite Gammons' comments. Here's the deal:

Marlins get: Manny Ramirez, cash, prospect from Red Sox
Red Sox get: Jason Bay, John Grabow
Pirates get: Ryan Tucker, Jeremy Hermida, one prospect from Red Sox

[NYMets523]

Pirates still getting hosed.

[Imgran]

If I were the Marlins I wouldn't want to give up both corner outfielders.

What if the Boston prospect that went to FLA was a right fielder (Moss?)

I hadn't heard Willingham's name in the deal before. I suspect that would be an overpay.

This deal depends on who people mean when they say "prospects."

If it's "Prospects," IE Bowden, Bard, Wagner, Lowrie, then ix-nay (somewhat less so for Lowrie, but he's kind of necessary)

If "prospects" include some of the interesting fellows jammed between the floors of Boston's rich farm system, -- Zink, Smith, Jones, Moss, Carter, Corsaletti, Bell, Brown, Kottaras, -- then we're probably talking business from the Sox side but the Pirates/Marlins might balk. (I'd go looking for the Florida Marlins versions of those guys but as skeleton as this team is being run right now I'd probably be looking on their 25-man)

Small-market teams can do well for skimming these players off the tops of bigger and deeper farm systems or teams with stronger rosters -- some of them could easily become more than adequate players in the big leagues in their own right if given half a chance -- witness David Murphy of the Rangers par example. If that's the kind of "prospect" then we can probably find a mutually beneficial deal.

But if "prospects" is top 10 guys... oof.

[DownUnderDodger]

The Palm Beach Post says a tentative agreement has been reached, despite Gammons' comments.
Gammon's was saying that the trade was becoming a real possibility so I am not sure of what you mean. Anyway....the clock is ticking.

[Jayme]

Sorry I forgot to mention that I was quoting mlbtraderumors.com, I think what he was refering to about Gammons was earlier in the evening Gammons has stated that the deal was far from complete.

[DownUnderDodger]

Sorry I forgot to mention that I was quoting mlbtraderumors.com, I think what he was refering to about Gammons was earlier in the evening Gammons has stated that the deal was far from complete.

Yeh, that's what he said...he would not have given it any chance 5 hours earlier, but things seemed to be moving fast. He is obviously fairly close to the goings on and saw the changes in the wind, which was quickly becoming a gale!! I guess I will have to tune into Sports Center if it is on tonight when I get home from work.

[sharrock]

What if the Boston prospect that went to FLA was a right fielder (Moss?)

I hadn't heard Willingham's name in the deal before. I suspect that would be an overpay.

This deal depends on who people mean when they say "prospects."

If it's "Prospects," IE Bowden, Bard, Wagner, Lowrie, then ix-nay (somewhat less so for Lowrie, but he's kind of necessary)

If "prospects" include some of the interesting fellows jammed between the floors of Boston's rich farm system, -- Zink, Smith, Jones, Moss, Carter, Corsaletti, Bell, Brown, Kottaras, -- then we're probably talking business from the Sox side but the Pirates/Marlins might balk. (I'd go looking for the Florida Marlins versions of those guys but as skeleton as this team is being run right now I'd probably be looking on their 25-man)

Small-market teams can do well for skimming these players off the tops of bigger and deeper farm systems or teams with stronger rosters -- some of them could easily become more than adequate players in the big leagues in their own right if given half a chance -- witness David Murphy of the Rangers par example. If that's the kind of "prospect" then we can probably find a mutually beneficial deal.

But if "prospects" is top 10 guys... oof.

Imgram, extremely well said. Prospects is far too broad a term to evaluate this trade yet... even though I want Manny gone I don't want to over pay but I am willing to give up some pieces.

As you said, the guys liks Moss, Gabbard, Murphy had much more value to the Pirates and rangers than to the Red Sox, Yankees, or Mets. If a larger market team plays its cards right they can get great value in this manner. I believe the Yanks did this in the Nady/Marte trade.

[Zito75]

Don't know why PIT would move Bay unless it's a straight salary dump. Is he a free agent after this season or next?

[Evangelion]

Don't know why PIT would move Bay unless it's a straight salary dump. Is he a free agent after this season or next?
No, he has another year on his contract.

Pittsburgh would be getting a prospect(s) from Florida along with MLB ready player(s) and a possible prospect from Boston. Bay's stock decreases as time goes along until Pittsburgh loses him at the end of 2009 season. This make senses, because Pittsburgh will bring young players in and start to rebuild once again.

[Imgran]

Would not be surprised if one of the prospects turned out to be Chris Carter. He can mash and the team has demonstrated in the past that they're reluctant to use him. Either Pittsburgh or Florida would probably find a use for a guy with his level of lefthanded power and plate discipline. Heck, he has an outside shot of being almost as good as Bay himself. Note I said, though, an outside shot.

As for the other... well, it could be anywhere from Bowden or Kris Johnson, two high-ceiling pitchers, to Hunter Jones, a more or less MLB-ready lefty reliever who's stretched out for 2-3 inning stints and has some closing/setup experience, to George Kottaras and his 19 HR's as a catcher in AAA. Or it might even be red-hot knuckleballer Charlie Zink, but I have my doubts there even though Zink would probably come right up and pitch for either org..

[J.P]

Ken Rosenthal:
The Pirates' return for Bay, sources say, was the apparent holdup in the deal. The Pirates are seeking an "appropriate return for an All-Star caliber left fielder" — and one who is affordable at $5.75 million this season and $7.5 million in 2009.

The Red Sox sought additional prospects from the Marlins in their attempt to satisfy the Pirates, sources say, but the Marlins would not budge from their initial offer.

--Wouldnt it make more sense for the Marlins to just deal Hermida and a prospect or two straight to the Bucs for Bay?? I mean, I know he is no Manny, but at least he is affordable and we could keep him for next year.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Ken Rosenthal:
The Pirates' return for Bay, sources say, was the apparent holdup in the deal. The Pirates are seeking an "appropriate return for an All-Star caliber left fielder" — and one who is affordable at $5.75 million this season and $7.5 million in 2009.

The Red Sox sought additional prospects from the Marlins in their attempt to satisfy the Pirates, sources say, but the Marlins would not budge from their initial offer.

--Wouldnt it make more sense for the Marlins to just deal Hermida and a prospect or two straight to the Bucs for Bay?? I mean, I know he is no Manny, but at least he is affordable and we could keep him for next year.

It could be typical Marlin FO thinking, do it now, no cares about next year. manny does give them a better chance of winning this year than Hermida.

[J.P]

I also think that since the stadium deal is up in the air now, and it might end up in a ballot, Manny is a bigger name who will not only put us in the front pages but gives us a better chance at winning now, consequently earning votes and community support for the stadium; other than that, it makes much more sense to bring in Bay and keep him next year also.

[J.P]

Too late now:

"With the three-way deal between the Pirates, Red Sox, and Marlins falling through, an MLB.com source says that the Rays are going to acquire right-handed hitting outfielder Jason Bay for Minor League prospects including shortstop Reid Brignac and right-hander Jeff Niemann. The Rays have not confirmed the deal."

[NYMets523]

Manny has been traded to the Dodgers

[Imgran]

The fog of the trading deadline ain't over yet! We have NO idea who left Boston, and we have no exact idea who's coming to Boston.

Given the Dodgers' and Pirates/ needs, though, I wish I could put a camera on the lockers of Alex Cora in Boston, as well as Michael Bowden's, Chris Carter's, and George Kottaras' lockers in Pawtucket.

[Imgran]

I'm sure I heard wrong: Is it even possible that the Sox just got rid of Manny and replaced him with Jason Bay for... Brandon Moss and Craig Hansen???????

[sharrock]

Please let Manny be gone. And the outlay of prospects not be too big. And the player in LF be one who can hit.

[slugger33]

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