3 Day Crash Course with RPM Pitching a Total Success

[RetoolingDad]

I just wanted to start a thread on the recent trip to Colorado my 10 year old son Drew and I made recently for an intense set of individual instructional sessions over a 3 day period from Bill Peterson of RPM Pitching with his extremely talented son Pat adding the icing on the cake during parts of the last 2 days as well! Suffice to say, Drew was completely transformed in 3 short days into brand a new pitcher with a solid mechanical foundation from which to start from and build throughout this upcoming offseason.
Bill/RPM is the REAL DEAL! Not only do I believe that he is one of the few leaders in the field of advanced biomechanics that affect pitching arms/shoulders, but his integrity and credibility is second to none in my book.
And speaking of real deals, Drew and I had the privilege to observe a couple of Pat's intense workout / pitching sessions. If he doesn't get picked up by a MLB team by next Spring I would be beyond shocked! He appears to have EVERYTHING working for him right now...very high velocity with late movement on ALL of his pitches! I'm aware that Pat spent a big chunk of time with Doc Marshall in the recent past. He and his Father will be the first people to give Doc full credit for all they learned from him regarding many facets of training as well as effective pronation among other things. However, I am here to state that I am sold on the specific RPM biomechanics that have very obvious deviations from the "Marshall way" and without a doubt will continue having Drew work with RPM to perfect many more of their sophisticated and refreshing pitching techniques. Although football season is right around the corner, Drew can't wait to get started working through the many lessons he learned last week and build frm there. I'll be sure to give an update next Spring on Drew's progress!

[kylebee]

Very good to hear that you had a rousing success with Bill and Pat. I haven't spoken to them in some time, and it's refreshing to hear that they are working with clients. I hope to make it to Colorado to meet with them at some point, as Bill has been nothing but a true gentleman and instructor to me.

[Baseball gLove]

I knew there was something missing from Marshall's mechanics. Bill knew something was missing too. I am happy for him and his son that they had the smarts to go further, rather than believe 100% of what Dr. Marshall was serving.

[RetoolingDad]

I knew there was something missing from Marshall's mechanics. Bill knew something was missing too. I am happy for him and his son that they had the smarts to go further, rather than believe 100% of what Dr. Marshall was serving.
You're right on target Baseball gLove about the "smarts" element pertaining to the both of them. Before hearing about RPM this year here in BBF, I never even knew who Bill Peterson was, but after what I have seen and learned from him on his Website and now in person, I predict he is going to emerge as a true leader in the field of redefining pitching mechanics, more than he is already! I am still trying to absorb all of the fascinating biomechanical information that I learned from Bill throughout that intensive long weekend, let alone what Drew(my 10 yr old) himself learned by doing! Throughout those 3 rigorous days of drills and throwing many many pitches, he experienced NO soreness whatsoever in his elbow or shoulder! I'll tell you what, just like Jake has done already, I plan to "retool" my own throwing mechanics over the Winter to finally rid myself of chronic elbow pain that I've had since my HS baseball days...

[phantom]

howabout some vids to see......

congrats!

[RetoolingDad]

howabout some vids to see......

congrats!
I definitely will try to post some clips, once I learn how to use the new camcorder I just bought before the trip :-). Hopefully by this coming weekend I'll have it all squared away.

[phantom]

I definitely will try to post some clips, once I learn how to use the new camcorder I just bought before the trip :-). Hopefully by this coming weekend I'll have it all squared away.

Thanks! Looking forward to it!:dance

[Masters]

I have looked at Dr. Marshall’s Pitching videos and read most of the info on his web site. Does anyone know if his pitchers are truly pain-free and without injury? Also Baseball glove what are the differences that Bill has found out that?

Thanks

[Baseball gLove]

Do a search on Marshall on this site and you'll find several on going circular arguments that has been going on for several years that Marshall's mechanics are superior and yet after 20 years his followers really have nothing to show for it. I agree that certain aspects are beneficial to a pitcher's longevity, but I also believe that he has some kooky beliefs. Instead look at Maddux for cues.

Bill took the best of Marshall's arm motion and combined it with the kinetic chain from traditional pitchers that Marshall and his followers dismiss.

[phantom]

could you enlighten us with what bill believes or teaches are the cues or important points for kids to focus on to become the best pitcher they can be?

thanks!:cap:

[kylebee]

I'm in San Diego right now, but when I get back to Seattle, I'll try to talk to Bill and see if I can help you guys out. I teach my kids the theories that RPM Pitching puts forth, and I highly recommend them. Not only are they excellent theories, but Bill is a real teacher, rather than a basic analyst - good drills to help you learn the mechanics that he suggests.

[Chris O'Leary]

could you enlighten us with what bill believes or teaches are the cues or important points for kids to focus on to become the best pitcher they can be?

It's a lot of stuff you see in the mechanics of Greg Maddux, and that I have been advocating for 2 or 3 years.

1. Limited reverse-rotation.
2. Break the hands early.
3. Start out sideways so you get power from hip/shoulder separation.
4. Pronate every pitch.

I know a guy at the ML level who agrees with these ideas.

[dm59]

It's a lot of stuff you see in the mechanics of Greg Maddux, and that I have been advocating for 2 or 3 years.This isn't about your recommendations, rather it's about Bill Peterson's. That was the context of the question.

[Chris O'Leary]

This isn't about your recommendations, rather it's about Bill Peterson's. That was the context of the question.

The point is that Bill and I are recommending the same thing.

[phantom]

I'm in San Diego right now, but when I get back to Seattle, I'll try to talk to Bill and see if I can help you guys out. I teach my kids the theories that RPM Pitching puts forth, and I highly recommend them. Not only are they excellent theories, but Bill is a real teacher, rather than a basic analyst - good drills to help you learn the mechanics that he suggests.

Great! looking forward to it!!!

:cap:

[dm59]

The point is that Bill and I are recommending the same thing.I have yet to see Bill talk about keeping the elbow low or pointing the glove at the target. Maddux has traditional mechanics, such as the whipping action of the arm with full external rotation (reverse forearm bounce), relatively long stride and the kinetic chain, etc. Let's stick to the topic, which is RPM mechanics, not O'Leary's theories. Telling him to emulate a traditional pitcher, no matter how good he is/was, is completely contrary to what Bill is doing.

[Shake Zula]

So if I want to learn Bill Peterson's method, do I just go to Mr. O'Leary's website?

[dm59]

So if I want to learn Bill Peterson's method, do I just go to Mr. O'Leary's website?Now that's funny. How about Bill Peterson's site, www.rpmpitching.com (http://www.rpmpitching.com)

[rkbenn]

It's a lot of stuff you see in the mechanics of Greg Maddux, and that I have been advocating for 2 or 3 years.

1. Limited reverse-rotation.
2. Break the hands early.
3. Start out sideways so you get power from hip/shoulder separation.
4. Pronate every pitch.

I know a guy at the ML level who agrees with these ideas.

Chris,

you are saying there should be some reverse rotation right?

also, breaking the hands early, why?

i agree with the others.

rk

[kylebee]

The point is that Bill and I are recommending the same thing.

Definitely not. RPM Pitching recommends no "scapular loading."

[dm59]

Let's not forget that this is NOT about O'Leary's theories. RPM, as kylebee said, is not about reverse rotation, nor is it about scap loading, nor is it about the kinetic chain, nor is it about emulating any current or past MLB pitcher. It aligns with Chris NOWHERE!!

This thread is about RPM and this kid's experience with it. I fear that this is turning into a "Chris' recommendations" discussion. Let's not go there.

[Chris O'Leary]

you are saying there should be some reverse rotation right?

I like little to no reverse-rotation. Basically, I think you should keep the shoulders in line with Home Plate/Second base (e.g. pendulum swing the arm back toward 2B).


also, breaking the hands early, why?

It reduces the likelihood of timing problems and helps to ensure that the arm is up and in the proper position at the moment the Glove Side foot lands and the shoulders start to rotate.

[Chris O'Leary]

Definitely not. RPM Pitching recommends no "scapular loading."

I don't teach it, but it's going to happen in a high-level throw.

I think it's safe as long as the elbows stay below the shoulders.

[Chris O'Leary]

Maddux has traditional mechanics, such as the whipping action of the arm with full external rotation (reverse forearm bounce)

It's not possible to throw hard without significant external rotation and some bounce.

However, there are ways to limit the force that results.

[dm59]

All of the things you say may or may not be true. They're just not pertinent to this thread. The point is that this should NOT turn into a discussion of what you, or I, think about mechanics. It's not the purpose of the thread.

[Postblank]

you are saying there should be some reverse rotation right?
Yes, but not for traditional reasons. Passive reverse rotation, assuming Bill is advocating that in line with Marshall's recommendations, is key for bringing the ball back towards second base. It's more for getting in the right position rather than for winding up.

[RetoolingDad]

It's not possible to throw hard without significant external rotation and some bounce.

However, there are ways to limit the force that results.
I have not wanted to misspeak here with the specifics, because I am still in the process of absorbing everything I've learned from Bill and what he has on his website. It's been a steep yet fascinating learning curve for ME. However, I do want to comment on the velocity issue without any external rotation and reverse forearm bounce. My son and I witnessed Pat pitching 2 days in a row to Bill(huge amount of pitches each time without issue!) using all of the RPM mechanics that Kylebee has described, which included "extreme" pronation without ANY external rotation or reverse forearm bounce. I might be new to the mechanics part, but I'm relatively familiar with generalized pitch speeds, just by attending and sitting close enough for numerous MLB and Minor League games through the years. To me, there was no question that many of Pat's pitches were 90+. I suppose many people might dispute that, since all I am doing is giving an opinion without any proof, so be that as it may. However, I saw it with my own eyes with only a net separating me from Bill's back. In fact, watching Pat pitch in person was what really locked me in(my son was mesmerized) and convinced me without a shadow of a doubt to keep Drew training and learning how to pitch this way indefinitely!

[Chris O'Leary]

I have not wanted to misspeak here with the specifics, because I am still in the process of absorbing everything I've learned from Bill and what he has on his website. It's been a steep yet fascinating learning curve for ME. However, I do want to comment on the velocity issue without any external rotation and reverse forearm bounce. My son and I witnessed Pat pitching 2 days in a row to Bill(huge amount of pitches each time without issue!) using all of the RPM mechanics that Kylebee has described, which included "extreme" pronation without ANY external rotation or reverse forearm bounce.

There's no question that Pat is the real deal.

Because of this, if you look at video clips of Pat you do see external rotation and bounce.

However, his ER/bounce is certainly less than you see in a Billy Wagner or Kerry Wood, which significantly decreases the load on the elbow.

[phantom]

Retooling Dad,

Did Bill provide any useful drills and/or exercises to do?

thanks!

:cap:

[kylebee]

The point is that Bill and I are recommending the same thing.

I have not wanted to misspeak here with the specifics, because I am still in the process of absorbing everything I've learned from Bill and what he has on his website. It's been a steep yet fascinating learning curve for ME. However, I do want to comment on the velocity issue without any external rotation and reverse forearm bounce. My son and I witnessed Pat pitching 2 days in a row to Bill(huge amount of pitches each time without issue!) using all of the RPM mechanics that Kylebee has described, which included "extreme" pronation without ANY external rotation or reverse forearm bounce. I might be new to the mechanics part, but I'm relatively familiar with generalized pitch speeds, just by attending and sitting close enough for numerous MLB and Minor League games through the years. To me, there was no question that many of Pat's pitches were 90+. I suppose many people might dispute that, since all I am doing is giving an opinion without any proof, so be that as it may. However, I saw it with my own eyes with only a net separating me from Bill's back. In fact, watching Pat pitch in person was what really locked me in(my son was mesmerized) and convinced me without a shadow of a doubt to keep Drew training and learning how to pitch this way indefinitely!

I am happy to hear that you are sold on the ideas and that you got to see it in person. I have reviewed film of Pat for hours and continue to work on the training/workout side of the RPM Pitching program for my HS team and individual clients, which I hope to have prepared by the end of the month. Like Marshall, I use wrist weights and appropriately-sized footballs as training aids, but do not use javelins and iron balls (I would use iron balls, but I am not comfortable using them with young high schoolers given what I know about exercise physiology). We also use under/overweight balls to warm up (just slightly less/more than a standard baseball, nothing too crazy) in addition to SPRI-type bands for rotator cuff exercises.

Our training also involves a plyometric workout, similar to SPARQ training that is all the rage now - rotational pushups with 3-5 lb weights in hands, hitting a tire with a sledgehammer, ladder drills, hand sprint bikes with resistance, and other dynamic exercises.

The progress of one of my students has been remarkable. In my experience, teaching these types of mechanics to young HS kids who have a strong desire to learn is easy, but one of the first things that goes out the window is control/command, which is ultimately very frustrating for the youth. One of my freshmen pitchers lost all sense of where he was throwing the ball, which he knew to be normal, but still bothered him even in the offseason. I am proud to report that he has worked hard every day (even while in Europe for 3 weeks) and continues to improve his velocity. I have taught him the Maxline Pronation Curve, Maxline Fastball Sinker, and Maxline/Torque Fastballs, all which he can now locate fairly well. His velocity has seen a jump, but whether or not that is just from hard work and puberty is tough to tell - it's very anecdotal.

He has a long way to go (as do I), but we continue to see major strides with no pain in his arm (he throws 5 days a week and trains with wrist weights 7 days), only slight discomfort, and not in connective tissue.

[Shake Zula]

Now that's funny. How about Bill Peterson's site, www.rpmpitching.com (http://www.rpmpitching.com)

I know the site already, but I don't see like, any instructional materials like DVD's or eBooks or stuffs, and being in the forum costs. I was just wondering if they really sahre the same philosophy

[epic]

There's no question that Pat is the real deal.


Is Pat playing ball now?
How are the other guys who trained with Bill starting last summer progressing? I believe at least three of them stayed. Did they find schools that will let them play?

[kylebee]

I know the site already, but I don't see like, any instructional materials like DVD's or eBooks or stuffs, and being in the forum costs. I was just wondering if they really sahre the same philosophy

They share a lot of philosophies, but they are not one in the same. Not sure on forum costs, but I'd email him directly for more information. Bill is very open and accomodating.

[XV84]

Definitely not. RPM Pitching recommends no "scapular loading."

The scapula is the only kinetic link from the rib cage to the humerus. How else does the energy from the torso get to the arm?

Scapular loading is retraction of the scapula. But just because the scapula does not displace does not mean the muscles that retract the scapula are being contracted isometrically in such a way as to "load" and subsequently "unload". Therefore, scapula loading can also be described as a "muscle" action, not just a "bone" action.

Can someone tell me why retraction of the scapulae is dangerous?

[kylebee]

The scapula is the only kinetic link from the rib cage to the humerus. How else does the energy from the torso get to the arm?

Scapular loading is retraction of the scapula. But just because the scapula does not displace does not mean the muscles that retract the scapula are being contracted isometrically in such a way as to "load" and subsequently "unload". Therefore, scapula loading can also be described as a "muscle" action, not just a "bone" action.

Can someone tell me why retraction of the scapulae is dangerous?

The concept of scapular loading as Paul Nyman teaches it is what Marshall and Peterson are against. Taking the elbow behind the acromial line theoretically stresses the anterior muscles of the shoulder and is what causes the SLAP tears and so forth, or so they say.

RPM Pitching advocates a motion that has the scapula "popping up" rather than sliding around the ribcage and increases the range of elbow flexion. No different than Marshall in this regard.

[dm59]

Taking the elbow behind the acromial line theoretically stresses the anterior muscles of the shoulder and is what causes the SLAP tears and so forth, or so they say.Since, as xv stated, the humerus is connected to the body through the scapula, scapular retraction can mitigate the "elbow behind the acromial line" issue. Thus, the angular relation of the humerus to the glenoid can remain as the elbow goes behind the acromial line. In other words, the entire arm/scapula assembly has moved, not just the humerus. Thus, theoretically, alignment of the humerus in the glenoid is maintained. This is how I understand the anatomy of it all. There is definitely the question, though, of how far back can this happen with alignment maintained.

[rkbenn]

Yes, but not for traditional reasons. Passive reverse rotation, assuming Bill is advocating that in line with Marshall's recommendations, is key for bringing the ball back towards second base. It's more for getting in the right position rather than for winding up.

oh okay. i need to check it out. i done more traditional and that's what I'm teaching my boy. thanks.

rk

[kylebee]

Since, as xv stated, the humerus is connected to the body through the scapula, scapular retraction can mitigate the "elbow behind the acromial line" issue. Thus, the angular relation of the humerus to the glenoid can remain as the elbow goes behind the acromial line. In other words, the entire arm/scapula assembly has moved, not just the humerus. Thus, theoretically, alignment of the humerus in the glenoid is maintained. This is how I understand the anatomy of it all. There is definitely the question, though, of how far back can this happen with alignment maintained.

I completely agree, and I admit that I need to do more research, just like we discuss on the RPM Pitching boards. There really is a ton of information that we are just tapping into.

[XV84]

The concept of scapular loading as Paul Nyman teaches it is what Marshall and Peterson are against. Taking the elbow behind the acromial line theoretically stresses the anterior muscles of the shoulder and is what causes the SLAP tears and so forth, or so they say.

RPM Pitching advocates a motion that has the scapula "popping up" rather than sliding around the ribcage and increases the range of elbow flexion. No different than Marshall in this regard.

Scapular loading has absolutely nothing to do with humeral movement. As dm59 pointed out, the humerus moves because it's angle is fixed at the glenohumeral joint. Scapular loading is scapular retraction. I didn't think I had to repeat myself.

"Taking the elbow behind the acromial line" is transverse humeral abduction. It has nothing to do with scapular retraction.

Again, can anyone tell me why scapular retraction is "dangerous"?

[XV84]

Can someone touch on the subject of "forearm separation"?

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/images/patseparation.jpg

[fastbal95]

XV,

I emailed kylebee about this but he has yet to reply or even acknowledge.

The comparison between these two pictures is laughable.

Let me count the flaws.

1. In the Koufax picture, the line that is drawn is no where near close to being drawn through the line of the shoulder or acromion processes, if you will.

2. If we then compare the picture of the other pitcher, we can easily see how the line supposedly drawn through the shoulders of this pitcher is not actually drawn through the top of the shoulders. If one were to continue this line, it would be well above the pitchers right shoulder.

Koufax does not lean as much as the other pitcher. However, his forearm is def more vertical. The other pitcher has much more flyout because he does not lock his arm. His elbow is way low, he is just pulling his arm across his body, not driving at all.

3. These two pitchers arent even throwing the same type of pitch. Koufax is throwing a curveball that is def supinated; one can see his thumb easily going up, like he is "casting a fishing pole". This is the major reason why Koufax had multiply problems with his elbow and was forced to retire. The other pitcher is throwing what appears to be a fastball which most pitchers do in fact pronate anyway. Pronation is how we get seperation between our forearms and pitching upper arms.

4. Koufax has already released his pitch. The other picture has not; therefore his arm is not at the same location as Koufax's. Maybe if we had a picture of the other pitcher right after he has released the pitch like Koufax, then maybe he would also has more flyout from the incessant pulling of his arm and then in fact even less seperation of his forearm from his pitching upper arm.

What do I know though? This other pitcher is the "real deal" and should be in the majors real soon!!

Maybe the person who made these pictures should go back and fix these lines. Then maybe we could really see who has what seperation. In fact, maybe the person who made these pictures should actually get two pictures where the pitchers are throwing the same type of pitches, that might be a good idea.

Either the person who made these pictures has some sort of alterior motive, or he is just not that bright. Who can say for sure?

[RetoolingDad]

What I find "laughable" is how this thread has gradually digressed from an exuberant Father compelled to relay his and his son's recent learnings about a "new" pitching approach(at least to us laymen of the crowd), to the arrogance of the most recent poster, who from what anyone can easily surmise by browsing through some of his historic posts, has nothing to offer other than insulting others as well as pontificating his own apparent expertise in pitching mechanics, which simply stated is precisely MM's version and NOTHING else. I've been an on again off again avid reader of BBF for the last couple of years and have read through many threads on this topic. And it is because of that arrogance and "cult-like" reverance to one man's perspective and one man only without compromise, that ultimately led me to RPM. And I'm now more confident than ever that I made the RIGHT choice for my son, because RPM, IS the REAL DEAL. Why? Because they sincerely and actively are out there actually trying to help the youth pitchers of America! What more can you ask? Doc could/would have such a far greater positive impact on the youth pitchers of today and tomorrow if it wasn't for his own arrogance. To believe that his ideas and his ideas alone(as brilliant and ground breaking as they were at one time) are the ONLY answer and that NOONE ELSE has anything additional to offer or supplement to the equation...is beyond arrogant. It is shameful in my book.

[randy]

Retooling,
These threads do tend to get hijacked by some "it's all about me and my way" individuals, both pitching and hitting. It is a shame-some of us dads would like to learn better or safer ways of hitting or throwing so we can help our kids.

I would like to know more about your RPM trip, and how it differs from traditional, drills or exercises you used, etc. Try to ignore the Marshall devotees-they are typical cult members:bowdown:. Brainwashed, devoted, arrogant, and po'd because they feel like the world is conspiring against them.

[fastbal95]

Good thing both of your guy's book isnt worth jack. I dont think I have said one thing negative about you guys, RPM, or anything dealing with RPM in this thread at all. XV asked if someone could explain something and I explained it. You guys have a lot to learn.

You are absolutely right though to think that in an extremely short time, Bill has put together the "missing pieces" that Doc missed. Mind you that Bill has no kind of formal education or training in anything related to biomechanics or pitching. But he def knows better now than a man who earned a PhD through 18 years of formal education at Michigan State University, pitched in the Major Leagues, and won a Cy Young award. Bill has been at this for what, a couple of years? Doc has been doing this for over 40. Who is the arrogant one retooling dad?????? Give me a break.

[Jake Patterson]

Good thing both of your guy's book isnt worth jack. I dont think I have said one thing negative about you guys, RPM, or anything dealing with RPM in this thread at all. XV asked if someone could explain something and I explained it. You guys have a lot to learn.

You are absolutely right though to think that in an extremely short time, Bill has put together the "missing pieces" that Doc missed. Mind you that Bill has no kind of formal education or training in anything related to biomechanics or pitching. But he def knows better now than a man who earned a PhD through 18 years of formal education at Michigan State University, pitched in the Major Leagues, and won a Cy Young award. Bill has been at this for what, a couple of years? Doc has been doing this for over 40. Who is the arrogant one retooling dad?????? Give me a break.

Fastball, I know how you feel. I felt the same way when I began my search years ago for an injurious free method to teach pitching. What I found was somewhere between the radical changes offered by some and the way we currently pitch is the answer. I am uncertain where my Master's degree, certifications and 25 years coaching experience would rank me among the list of those you consider knowledgable. I don't have a Ph.D. (although I am working on it), but will offer this .... I have visited both teachers, and dozens of others over the years to include guys who either worked or pitched in the majors, and I have found the method taught by RPM offers the most realistic chances of success. JMHO

[fastbal95]

Jake,

Why is RPM's method the most realistic chance for success? What is it they even teach? Or is it a secret unless you pay some sort of crazy fee to be able to talk on their forums????

[Jake Patterson]

Jake,

Why is RPM's method the most realistic chance for success? What is it they even teach? Or is it a secret unless you pay some sort of crazy fee to be able to talk on their forums????
As with Doc, Bill offered his ideas to me for free and I am gratefull to both for this. As far as the differences go, I will pass on discussing it here and suggest those interested in RPM to speak with RPM direct, just as I have suggested those interested in Doc's methods to speak with Doc. Coaches and dads need to decide for themselves through their own discovery process, not through antagonistic bantering on some discussion board.

[azmatsfan]

As with Doc, Bill offered his ideas to me for free and I am gratefull to both for this. As far as the differences go, I will pass on discussing it here and suggest those interested in RPM to speak with RPM direct, just as I have suggested those interested in Doc's methods to speak with Doc. Coaches and dads need to decide for themselves through their own discovery process, not through antagonistic bantering on some discussion board.

As a coach and dad I prefer to hear opinions from other coaches and dads that have experience with these different theories on pitching (and hitting). This is much preferable to getting information from the man who is trying to sell a product.

[dm59]

As far as the differences go, I will pass on discussing it here and suggest those interested in RPM to speak with RPM direct, just as I have suggested those interested in Doc's methods to speak with Doc. Coaches and dads need to decide for themselves through their own discovery process, not through antagonistic bantering on some discussion board.I agree completely Jake. :applaud:

[Jake Patterson]

As a coach and dad I prefer to hear opinions from other coaches and dads that have experience with these different theories on pitching (and hitting). This is much preferable to getting information from the man who is trying to sell a product.Fitting this description my advice would remain the same.

[Jake Patterson]

This is much preferable to getting information from the man who is trying to sell a product. To be clear... Neither man tried to "sell" me anything.
Jake

[phantom]

I'm still hoping someone will be able to tell us what RPM teaches and stresses as well as what kinds of drills they like to do.

:cap:

[Jake Patterson]

I'm still hoping someone will be able to tell us what RPM teaches and stresses as well as what kinds of drills they like to do.

:cap:
I don't understand why you just don't ask him???

[phantom]

I don't understand why you just don't ask him???

i dont feel that someone that charges to view their site would just freely give up the information if i was to just ask him. why charge peeps if thats the case.

as in doc's case, hes' got everything up on his site, showing all. free.

if guys that understand what rpm is doing can educate us guys that dont want to call, then that'd be kool.

if you dont want to help us understand what rpm is all about, then that's kool too.

at least let us make our own decision about it.

:cap:

[Jake Patterson]

i dont feel that someone that charges to view their site would just freely give up the information if i was to just ask him. :cap: I am uncertain why you feel this way. A PM costs nothing. This is how I started with Doc, Bill and others.

[phantom]

well...i'll give that a try.

:cap:

[RetoolingDad]

I have to hand it to you Jake. You are very well suited to be the Moderator of this forum! You responded to FB95 much more diplomatically than the reply I was tempted to make. If he is currently a student of Doc, I would assume that he's not much older than his late teens-early 20's??? So I found the recent comment from this kid who is still wet behind the ears with regards to life in general...telling us "40 something" Dads that we "have a lot to learn".....as extremely "laughable"(using his words) if not downright insulting and disrespectful. So, I suppose I'll have to restrain myself from making further comments in this thread based on some of the inane dialog which will obviously not go away.
To the other Dads requesting more info, without wanting to sound mysterious or helping to "sell" ANYTHING, I would advise you to simply sign up for just 1 month's subscription to the paid section of the RPM website(last time I checked, the "crazy fee" is something like $7.95!) or just Email Bill Peterson himself from the Website's Home Page for additional info. He is extremely approachable. However, in short what both my son and I learned at its most simplistic level is...pronation, pronation and more pronation! Seriously though, like Doc(whom RPM has always given full credit for his initial foundational ground breaking biomechanical theories/methodologies) RPM teaches pitching with a pronated release, while using the entire body more efficiently as well. Using numerous drills that put all of this together very fluidly, my son's transformation into a totally different and much improved pitcher began to become evident right before my eyes in 3 short days(well, actually they were 3 very LONG intensified days, which I must also credit my son for his perpetual motivation throughout the duration!). And this is just the beginning. Drew still has a tremendous amount of time that he needs to spend during this offseason to work on these new mechanics.
I'll leave it at that for now to avoid any further barrage from our "special guests"....