Pcr?

[cosmo34]

Power Outage: After a big year in the California League last season, gigantic 21-year-old first baseman Kyle Blanks continues to hit at Double-A, but at the same time, a .315/.398/.482 line with just 10 home runs in 340 at-bats seems like a bit of a mismatch for a hulk listed at 6'6" and 270 pounds. One scout who saw Banks at San Antonio recently was as mystified as anyone. "I just don't get him at all," explained the exasperated evaluator. "He's a huge guy with power, but it's just not used. He has legitimate contact skills, and that's great, but he just doesn't hit the ball hard enough." The scout went on to explain why Blanks' swing mechanics are the primary culprit. "He's doesn't load up, so there's not much transfer in his swing—he's got dead hands, dead feet, and he just kind of turns his body and makes contact. I don't see game power in the future with that kind of swing."

Thoughts?

[jbooth]

Power Outage: After a big year in the California League last season, gigantic 21-year-old first baseman Kyle Blanks continues to hit at Double-A, but at the same time, a .315/.398/.482 line with just 10 home runs in 340 at-bats seems like a bit of a mismatch for a hulk listed at 6'6" and 270 pounds. One scout who saw Banks at San Antonio recently was as mystified as anyone. "I just don't get him at all," explained the exasperated evaluator. "He's a huge guy with power, but it's just not used. He has legitimate contact skills, and that's great, but he just doesn't hit the ball hard enough." The scout went on to explain why Blanks' swing mechanics are the primary culprit. "He's doesn't load up, so there's not much transfer in his swing—he's got dead hands, dead feet, and he just kind of turns his body and makes contact. I don't see game power in the future with that kind of swing."

Thoughts?

I'm not a PCRW fan, but you're doing what drives them crazy. Mis-stating their beliefs. PCRW doesn't tell you not to load, in fact Englishbey constantly talks about developing a good load/unload pattern and getting a shift while turning. And, although he doesn't think the hands do much, he's never said they are "dead" and that you can't tip and rip, or get the bathead moving in some style, at or before, launch.

Like I said, I'm not a PCR follower, I have issues with how a player is taught to get PCR, but at least understand their method before you bash it.

[Ifubuildit]

Paul Nyman.

[cosmo34]

How did I bash it?

Am I a scout? Did I type that report?

No, I copied it from BP.

[Jim W.]

cosmo34 - I agree with jbooth. You are implying something that is not there.

Why you would title the thread as "PRC?" and not something else?

Guys....Let's get some productive posts here, this is rediculous.

[cosmo34]

Because it says "he just turns his body". Sounds alot like "Turn like hell", does it not?

[tadlock11]

Because it says "he just turns his body". Sounds alot like "Turn like hell", does it not?

Not one bit!

IMO, big difference between "he just turns his body" and "turn like hell" (as in a turn that promotes connectivity between body and bat in a manner consistent with what most 1-6 hitters on MLB line-up do).

Then again, if he were to just "turn his body" in the same way Bonds, Hamilton etc. did it would be easy to say just that. IOW, please know the source and context of what you are quoting. Thanks.

[cosmo34]

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7842

[JK-CA]

My father scouted for years for an NL club. I have been around the scouting circles, cross checkers, etc. I also played pro baseball in an AL organization. I can tell you for a fact is that all scouts know "it" when they see it. But they can't quantify "it" and they sure as hell can't teach "it"

The biggest problem in instruction with baseball people is they all know what a good swing looks like, but they have no clue how to teach it. Same with pitching, everyone knows the value of a quick arm, but no one can quantify and teach what makes it explosive (well, almost no one)

So, to take a comment made on a player that no one has really seen, by a scout who is nameless and team less, and say that this system does or doesn't work is foolish. And to say it describes a certain teaching method is rather ridiculous, especially since we haven't seen the swing.

[ssarge]

The biggest problem in instruction with baseball people is they all know what a good swing looks like, but they have no clue how to teach it. Same with pitching, everyone knows the value of a quick arm, but no one can quantify and teach what makes it explosive (well, almost no one)

Certainly a big part of the problem. IMO, the fact that they don't get this - and defend the opposite despite enormous evidence to the contrary - is the rest of the problem.

Problem compounded by the fact that they refuse to recognize (or are incapable of recognizing) that teaching a .9999 athlete is WAY different than teaching the typical kid. And that the demographics of boards like this is almost entirely made up of people trying to relate to and teach the "typical kid." And certainly fail to recognize that what an MLB hitter SAYS he "feels" is limited by language, communication ability, experience, maturity, age, and most importantly, athletecism, and that when applied directly to a kid trying to learn to hit, has limited relevance. Same with trying to apply a cue(s) a pro player has legitimately found useful. Worth considering, for some kids, depending on their pathology and a host of other factors. But universally applied, it is generally about as appropriate as a nuero-surgeon describing how to best graft a vein to a biology class dissecting frogs. They all have a knife in their hand, but. . . .



So, to take a comment made on a player that no one has really seen, by a scout who is nameless and team less, and say that this system does or doesn't work is foolish. And to say it describes a certain teaching method is rather ridiculous, especially since we haven't seen the swing.

Sure, but it advances the agenda. Which is either to slam another point of view (probably in an attempt to "fit in'), or to attract attention to oneself.

[ssarge]

Then again, if he were to just "turn his body" in the same way Bonds, Hamilton etc. did it would be easy to say just that. IOW, please know the source and context of what you are quoting. Thanks.

I'm no apologist for Paul - I learned that lesson. He's made his bed, and it is richly deserved.

HOWEVER, if you are going to take a decade-long body of work, spanning hundreds of thousands of words, and hundreds of videos and animations, all expressed to thousands of participants, then marginalize it to one non-contextual phrase, I think you could probably find a more damaging one then "turn like hell."

Knock yourselves out, trying. . . . .

[jofus]

315/398/482 in 340 at bats with 10 HRs in AA ball? Man, that does suck.


Check out these stats, these guys must suck too...

285/347/404 in 379 at bats with 6 HRs.

217/300/355 in 276 at bats with 8 HRs.

301/402/530 in 345 at bats with 19 HRs.

Guess who those 3 are?

Well, the first one is Jeter. Yeah, I know that he's a pretty good SS (also my favorite player, and yes, I've been a Yankees fan since I was 8, over 30 years ago), which just goes to prove that there is a little more to baseball than pure slugging numbers.

The second one is Varitek, which proves basically the same point.

The third one is a little better than the guy you are referring to....but they're the stats of Manny, which most will argue has one of the best swings in baseball today, so you would think they would be a little better than average, right?

As for size, I've known lots of big guys that couldn't bust a grape with a ball bat, and I've known small guys that could knock the dog crap out of a ball. His stats don't look bad enough to me to justify a troll post like this one, especially considering that there is no evidence at all that he has ever even heard of PCR.

[Hargrave]

My father scouted for years for an NL club. I have been around the scouting circles, cross checkers, etc. I also played pro baseball in an AL organization. I can tell you for a fact is that all scouts know "it" when they see it. But they can't quantify "it" and they sure as hell can't teach "it"


A refreshing confirmation of the truth from an insider. Few people on the inside are willing to acknowledge what you wrote.

[CoachB25]

Absolutely incrediable.:choke: