Chicago Cubs or St. Louis Cardinals?

[Seattle1]

Ok, ok let's see if we can settle this once and for all. Who do you like better, the Chicago Cubs or the St. Louis Cardinals?

(I only list the Cubs first because Chicago comes before St. Louis alphabetically, btw.)

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Well since I'm a lifelong Giants fans I have no strong feelings either way for either team. But I'm hoping the Cubs can end their century long World Series title drought this season. If the Cubs do reach the World Series this season I will definitely be rooting for the Cubs. :thumbsup:

[SamtheBravesFan]

What I said in the premier team thread was my gut instinct. Looking at what the franchises have done, I have to go with the Cardinals, of course.

[redlegsfan21]

I HATE the Cubs more than the Cardinals.

[STLCards2]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?:think:

[Solrac]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?:think:

Though Question :think:

[StanTheMan]

I will have to sleep on it. Right next to Musial's statue perhaps.

[NYMets523]

Cubs. Chicago is a better city than St. Louis.

[KevinWI]

Both are DREADFUL!

[STLCards2]

Both are DREADFUL!

The cities or teams? I don't see how either of those statements are true. Chicago is a obviously a great cosmopoltan town. Outside of North St Louis city and a few sections of N. St. Louis County, it is a fantastic place to raise a family: low housing costs, friendly people, free attractions everywhere, decent public school districts (for the most part), cheap strandard of living (lowest gas prices in the Union), incredible Italian food, everybody knows everybody - giving it a small-town atmosphere... Would I rather live in Hawaii or San Diego? Of course, but "DREADFUL"? Where in St. Louis or Chicago hve you been? Walnut Park?

[KevinWI]

The cities or teams? I don't see how either of those statements are true. Chicago is a obviously a great cosmopoltan town. Outside of North St Louis city and a few sections of N. St. Louis County, it is a fantastic place to raise a family: low housing costs, friendly people, free attractions everywhere, decent public school districts (for the most part), cheap strandard of living (lowest gas prices in the Union), incredible Italian food, everybody knows everybody - giving it a small-town atmosphere... Would I rather live in Hawaii or San Diego? Of course, but "DREADFUL"? Where in St. Louis or Chicago hve you been? Walnut Park?

Let me rephrase.

Both are DREADFUL divisional rivals of my brew crew.

I went to St. Louis when I was real little, like 5. I don't remember anything except the arch.

Chicago is a cool, hip, town. Been there many a time. Good pizza.

The Cardinals have a rich history and with their championship petigree I often call them the "Yankees of the Midwest".

However, I refuse to say anything good about the Cubbies.

[Mild Sauce]

Yeah, as biased as I am towards the Cubs, I gotta say that I've been to St. Louis many times, and while I think that it's a very concrete town (rumored to have the highest percentage of concrete per square mile in the country), I still think that for the most part it's a great city. Yeah, there's the bad parts, but come on, I live near Chicago, and there's some bad parts here too that make East St. Louis look good. Either way, both cities have a solid night life where you can always find something to do, and they're both places that you can also raise a family in comfortably (although it's a lot cheaper in St. Louis).

[giantsrule]

i'll root for either one of them if theyre playin against the dodgers,


but other then that i neither like, nor dislike 'em...

[StanTheMan]

I grew up in St. Louis and obviously love the city. But I've been to Chicago more than a dozen times... it is FANTASTIC. Everything except the Northside baseball team that is.

[Seattle1]

I like the natural history museum in Chicago. Also, I liked The Bob Newhart Show.

I have never been to St. Louis. But I know that it might be in trouble if the New Madrid Fault ever snaps loose again.

[STLCards2]

I like the natural history museum in Chicago. Also, I liked The Bob Newhart Show.

I have never been to St. Louis. But I know that it might be in trouble if the New Madrid Fault ever snaps loose again.

Memphis would be affected much more than St. Louis.

[Mild Sauce]

I think you'd be able to feel the results of that throughout the country, but yeah, Memphis and St. Louis would be in real bad shape, we're talking possibly worse damage than Hurricane Katrina did to New Orleans.

[spark240]

Cubs. Chicago is a better city than St. Louis.

Possibly true--definitely the dogs and the pizza. But I don't hold with team preference being primarily based on city appeal. There's a lot of things I like about New York too, when we're not talking baseball.

[BlueBlood]

I voted for the third because I don't care enough. With the Yankees/Braves no longer powerhouse teams, there's only one team that riles the blood for me.

[Zagi-CRO]

The Cubbies, of course :applaud:

[Seattle1]

The Cubbies, of course :applaud:

Oh? Why of course?

[STLCards2]

Possibly true--definitely the dogs and the pizza. But I don't hold with team preference being primarily based on city appeal. There's a lot of things I like about New York too, when we're not talking baseball.

St. Louis pizza is thin crusted with provel cheese - or the way they actually eat pizza in Cicily. Some people who are not used to it don't like it much, but I would encourage everybody to try it! Grerat stuff! Tons of flavor and no useless and tastless crust rings that everybody tosses in the garbage!:)

[StanTheMan]

Mmmmmmmm Imo's in Webster!!!

But Giordano's crushes Imo's like Pujols crushes Brad Lidge sliders in the playoffs. And I'm from St. Louis, btw.

[STLCards2]

Mmmmmmmm Imo's in Webster!!!

But Giordano's crushes Imo's like Pujols crushes Brad Lidge sliders in the playoffs. And I'm from St. Louis, btw.

Try Serras' in Bridgeton, Perrone's in Florrisant, or Ami's in Rock Hill. Better than Imos!

Gino's East is my pizza preference in Chicago.

[Senor Octobre]

Well, I can certainly sympathize more with the plight of Cubs fans. So I'll say the Cubbies.

[StanTheMan]

Try Serras' in Bridgeton, Perrone's in Florrisant, or Ami's in Rock Hill. Better than Imos!

Gino's East is my pizza preference in Chicago.

Been to Perrone's -- Very good. Gino's East is also excellent, but Giordano's a bit more accessible, with many more locations. You can't go wrong with either one when in Chicago. Very similar to Mrs. Tiger Woods knocking on your door with a bottle of red wine... or her TWIN sister knocking on the door with a bottle of white.

[STLCards2]

Been to Perrone's -- Very good. Gino's East is also excellent, but Giordano's a bit more accessible, with many more locations. You can't go wrong with either one when in Chicago. Very similar to Mrs. Tiger Woods knocking on your door with a bottle of red wine... or her TWIN sister knocking on the door with a bottle of white.

One thing we can agree on, St. Louis may not be known for much, but there are two things we can lay our hats on: quality baseball (not so much against the Brewers) and great Italian food!

[Seattle1]

Wow, pretty close 19 to 21 so far.

:atthepc

[hubkittel]

This ought to be fun. I'm born and raised in StL and live exactly 11.2 miles from the ballpark (according to google maps) so I'm going to take the Cards in this debate.

But regardless of the OP's good intentions, I don't think we're going to settle this thing. StL v. Chicago has been going on for 140 years. The rivalry between the cities started over where the main railroad hub in the midwest would be centered (determining economic dominance of the region). We lost that one and were bitter enough to cheat on the 1870 census to make StL appear bigger than Chicago.

The baseball rivalry dates back to 1866 and a tournament played in Bloomington, Il. The Empire Baseball Club of StL was clearly the best team in the tournament but were jobbed out of the championship by collusion among the Chicago teams in the tournament. Essentially, the Empires were forced to beat every team in the tournament to reach the championship game (while other teams only had to play a couple of games) and then had to play a team made up of the best players from all the other teams in order to claim the trophy. The Empires lost to the Chicago all-stars in the championship game only after some shady calls by the umpire, who also happened to be a member of one of the Chicago clubs. Writing thirty years after the fact, a member of the Empire Club was still bitter about it.

As to the cities themselves, I actually like Chicago and always have a good time when I go there. The people are great and even dealing with Cub fans isn't a problem. The rivalry actually never really gets that heated-it's always more in the nature of constant ribbing than extreme hatred (of course, given the one-sided nature of the rivalry, what else can you expect :)). One of the things that I like about StL, however, is how physically compact it is. You can get from one side of the city to the other in fifteen minutes (unless it's rush hour). It takes no time at all to get to anywhere you need to go.

As to pizza: I can't stand Chicago pizza. It's like eating soup on a slice of bread. StL pizza is vastly superior. And there's an Imo's six blocks from my house.

There are great restaurants in Chicago but they don't have toasted ravioli so they can't compare to eating in StL. Plus, we invented the ice cream cone. Don't even get me started on beer.

[Captain Cold Nose]

This ought to be fun. I'm born and raised in StL and live exactly 11.2 miles from the ballpark (according to google maps) so I'm going to take the Cards in this debate.

But regardless of the OP's good intentions, I don't think we're going to settle this thing. StL v. Chicago has been going on for 140 years. The rivalry between the cities started over where the main railroad hub in the midwest would be centered (determining economic dominance of the region). We lost that one and were bitter enough to cheat on the 1870 census to make StL appear bigger than Chicago.

The baseball rivalry dates back to 1866 and a tournament played in Bloomington, Il. The Empire Baseball Club of StL was clearly the best team in the tournament but were jobbed out of the championship by collusion among the Chicago teams in the tournament. Essentially, the Empires were forced to beat every team in the tournament to reach the championship game (while other teams only had to play a couple of games) and then had to play a team made up of the best players from all the other teams in order to claim the trophy. The Empires lost to the Chicago all-stars in the championship game only after some shady calls by the umpire, who also happened to be a member of one of the Chicago clubs. Writing thirty years after the fact, a member of the Empire Club was still bitter about it.

As to the cities themselves, I actually like Chicago and always have a good time when I go there. The people are great and even dealing with Cub fans isn't a problem. The rivalry actually never really gets that heated-it's always more in the nature of constant ribbing than extreme hatred (of course, given the one-sided nature of the rivalry, what else can you expect :)). One of the things that I like about StL, however, is how physically compact it is. You can get from one side of the city to the other in fifteen minutes (unless it's rush hour). It takes no time at all to get to anywhere you need to go.

As to pizza: I can't stand Chicago pizza. It's like eating soup on a slice of bread. StL pizza is vastly superior. And there's an Imo's six blocks from my house.

There are great restaurants in Chicago but they don't have toasted ravioli so they can't compare to eating in StL. Plus, we invented the ice cream cone. Don't even get me started on beer.

St. Louis was the venue for the invention of the ice cream cone. Out of town food vendors there at the fair dispute who actually did it, though, including one from Ohio who also claim the hamburger.


I've only spent a week in St. Louis, as opposed to several weekends in Chicago, which is my favorite city I visit just to visit. Both cities have their advantages over the other, both the Cubs and Cardinals have two WS victories over my Tigers. It's really close for me, but I guess I chose the Cubs because of more exposure due to WGN and the fact that Mike Shannon gets on my nerves a bit more as an announcer than Ron Santo does.

[Lafferty Daniel]

I have respect for both franchises and cities, but if I had to choose one it would be the Cardinals because their fans, (for the most part) seem more knowledgeable and respectful. It'd be nice if the corporate media would pay a little more attention to this rivalry, instead of Red Sox/Yankees.

[hubkittel]

St. Louis was the venue for the invention of the ice cream cone. Out of town food vendors there at the fair dispute who actually did it, though, including one from Ohio who also claim the hamburger.

It's really close for me, but I guess I chose the Cubs because of more exposure due to WGN and the fact that Mike Shannon gets on my nerves a bit more as an announcer than Ron Santo does.

The list of foods supposedly invented at the 1904 World's Fair is pretty amazing. The ice cream cone, the hot dog, the hamburger, ice tea, cotton candy, Dr. Pepper-that's some good eatin'. And basically none of it is factual except for maybe the ice cream cone. The Fair certainly helped to popularize these things but the claims that they were invented there is can pretty much be dismissed.

As to Shannon, I actually like him. I can imagine that he's an acquired taste but having listened to him on the radio for over thirty years I find him really comfortable. I find him knowledgeable, laid back, and genuinely funny. Plus, having listened to him for so long, I don't have to translate what he's saying into English-I just naturally get it. The guy's as much a part of the Cardinals as the birds on the bat. A local kid who played for the Cards and then went straight to the booth-only the old timers can remember a time when Shannon wasn't part of the organization.

[abolishthedh]

As to Shannon, I actually like him. I can imagine that he's an acquired taste but having listened to him on the radio for over thirty years I find him really comfortable. I find him knowledgeable, laid back, and genuinely funny. Plus, having listened to him for so long, I don't have to translate what he's saying into English-I just naturally get it. The guy's as much a part of the Cardinals as the birds on the bat. A local kid who played for the Cards and then went straight to the booth-only the old timers can remember a time when Shannon wasn't part of the organization.

Without attempting to hijack this thread, Shannon is an acquired taste. I can assure you that when he started he was just another former player who wanted to be in the booth. There were numerous instances where he would mispronounce a player's name, reverse the count from what it should have been or pull off some other faux pas. With time, he's grown on me.:)

I am neutral, although I believe that St. Louis is a better baseball town. This isn't a fair comparison however, because I believe that Chicago is brought down more from the White Sox side than it is helped by the Cubs side. Then again, life isn't fair. :)

[Captain Cold Nose]

The list of foods supposedly invented at the 1904 World's Fair is pretty amazing. The ice cream cone, the hot dog, the hamburger, ice tea, cotton candy, Dr. Pepper-that's some good eatin'. And basically none of it is factual except for maybe the ice cream cone. The Fair certainly helped to popularize these things but the claims that they were invented there is can pretty much be dismissed.

As to Shannon, I actually like him. I can imagine that he's an acquired taste but having listened to him on the radio for over thirty years I find him really comfortable. I find him knowledgeable, laid back, and genuinely funny. Plus, having listened to him for so long, I don't have to translate what he's saying into English-I just naturally get it. The guy's as much a part of the Cardinals as the birds on the bat. A local kid who played for the Cards and then went straight to the booth-only the old timers can remember a time when Shannon wasn't part of the organization.

The fair was certainly an important event in the 20th Century, probably as much if not more than any other event of its type held in the U.S.

I have a vivid memory of driving through Southwestern Indiana and listening to a Cardinals-Reds game, switching back and forth between WLW and KTRS (or whoever was the Cardinals flagship station at the time, 2002.) and it was interesting to hear Shannon on one station and Joe Nuxhall on the other. I think Shannon butchered a few too many names for my tastes, but he sure got excited each time Albert Pujols went deep. I think it was three times that sunny Sunday afternoon.

He does have a good restaurant, though, from what I hear. But, then, the Harry Caray restaurants seem to be doing well, too.

[StanTheMan]

The internet was invented at the 1904 Worlds Fair. And big breasted women.

Scoreboard.

The women sold the ice cream cones, making them a huge, DD size success.

At least at the St. Louis Fair there was not a serial killer running around as there was at the Chicago's attempt at a Worlds' Fair in the late 1800's. Check out "Devil in the White City." I think that was the name of the book.. something like that anyway.

[Solrac]

At least at the St. Louis Fair there was not a serial killer running around as there was at the Chicago's attempt at a Worlds' Fair in the late 1800's.

This rivalry doesn't look like it's going to stop anytime soon :banghead:

[hubkittel]

The internet was invented at the 1904 Worlds Fair. And big breasted women.

Going to the 1904 World's Fair made you smarter, taller, richer, and better looking.

[StanTheMan]

Going to the 1904 World's Fair made you smarter, taller, richer, and better looking.

And going to Chicago's Worlds Fair got you killed after you became shorter uglier, and poor.

You also had no ice cream cone.

[Captain Cold Nose]

This rivalry doesn't look like it's going to stop anytime soon :banghead:

You honestly thought it would/think it should?

[KCGHOST]

I like both clubs.

[sflnyc]

Glad to see a poll and discussion about one of the greatest rivalries in the game - talk that's not involving the Yankees-Red Sox or Dodgers-Giants - and I'm from NYC.

MLN knows the importance of this rivalry though, making sure that both teams were placed in the same division back in 1969. Putting them in NL East was shortsighted though (things go in cycles and MLB didn't want all the best NL teams in the West with the NL East full of scrubs) and they would have better off from 1969-1993 in the NL West where the belonged.

Back to the point. I voted for the Cubs on this one, although it was a close vote.

[hubkittel]

I like both clubs.

I think that violates one of the immutable laws of physics.

[Solrac]

You honestly thought it would/think it should?

Well atleast not on the field.

The internet was invented at the 1904 Worlds Fair. And big breasted women.

At least at the St. Louis Fair there was not a serial killer running around as there was at the Chicago's attempt at a Worlds' Fair in the late 1800's.

And going to Chicago's Worlds Fair got you killed after you became shorter uglier, and poor.

You also had no ice cream cone.

But IIRC the murderer was a St Louis man who stole the ice cream cone idea from an honest chicagoan :hide:
And all the short ugly and poor people there were because most of those there where from St Louis :rofl::rofl:

I like both clubs.

That's impossible!!
You can't like both clubs :eek:
You're going to have to choose between Mark "I'm not here to talk about the past" McGwire or Poor ol' Ron Santo :cap:

[StanTheMan]

I like both clubs.

Worlds Colliding. You are killing independent George!

[StanTheMan]

But IIRC the murderer was a St Louis man who stole the ice cream cone idea from an honest chicagoan :hide:
And all the short ugly and poor people there were because most of those there where from St Louis :rofl::rofl:

Funny... but there really WAS a serial killer at the Chicago Worlds Fair.

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/devilinthewhitecity/home.html

[Solrac]

Funny... but there really WAS a serial killer at the Chicago Worlds Fair.

http://www.randomhouse.com/crown/devilinthewhitecity/home.html

:rofl::rofl:
That still doesn't prove anything :cap:

[StanTheMan]

:rofl::rofl:
That still doesn't prove anything :cap:

Sure it does... it proves you had a nearly infinite increased chance of being killed at the Chicago Worlds Fair, and a wonderful chance at having a great time with the ice cream cone/large chested women at the St. Louis Fair. The great women in Chicago were probably all killed. Not so at the St. Louis Fair. If that's not proof of superiority, then I don't know what is. Maybe having the second most World Series Championships in baseball as compared to a century w/out one will prove it for you?

I have read the book, other than the extensive recollection of the Fair's architecture, it was a good book. The methods this guy used to lure his victims and then kill them (all women btw) were horrific. The hotel he built was equally demented. Passageways with dead ends, vents that leaked gas into a room to put a victim to sleep, and the basement... oh the basement.

He had a oven in the basement and would cook victims alive after knocking them out with the late 1800's equivalent of ether or something similar. They found a womans FOOTPRINTS on the inside of the oven as though she was trying to get out.

[Solrac]

Sure it does... it proves you had a nearly infinite increased chance of being killed at the Chicago Worlds Fair

Fair enough (no pun inteded)
Since you did read the book. And infinite if you were a women.
And are you sure that the murderer wasn't a man of St Louis who kidnapped beautiful woman from chicago to show them off at the St Louis fair?? :hide:

and a wonderful chance at having a great time with the ice cream cone/large chested women at the St. Louis Fair. The great women in Chicago were probably all killed. Not so at the St. Louis Fair.

Although the ice cream cone wasn't invented there.
And i thought large breasted women came from california?? :think:

If that's not proof of superiority, then I don't know what is. Maybe having the second most World Series Championships in baseball as compared to a century w/out one will prove it for you?

:banghead:
You just needed to bring that up :rant:

Count pre-1903 and we also have 8 "World Series Championships" :shhh::hide:

I have read the book, other than the extensive recollection of the Fair's architecture, it was a good book. The methods this guy used to lure his victims and then kill them (all women btw) were horrific. The hotel he built was equally demented. Passageways with dead ends, vents that leaked gas into a room to put a victim to sleep, and the basement... oh the basement.

He had a oven in the basement and would cook victims alive after knocking them out with the late 1800's equivalent of ether or something similar. They found a womans FOOTPRINTS on the inside of the oven as though she was trying to get out.

Is this based on a true story??

[Solrac]

And P.S.

Hank White says hi :waving:D:rofl::dance:happy::party::clapping:laugh

[hubkittel]

Count pre-1903 and we also have 8 "World Series Championships"

Don't make us claim the Browns' four American Association championships and the Championship of the West that the Brown Stocking won in 1875 and 1876 by winning their season series with the Chicago White Stockings. It would just be an embarrassment of riches.

[hubkittel]

And P.S.

Hank White says hi :waving:D:rofl::dance:happy::party::clapping:laugh

What? I'm sorry. I think I was distracted by the brilliant gleam coming off my replica 2006 World Series Championship ring.

Shouldn't Cub fans really be ashamed of the fact that it took one of the Cardinals' cast-offs to lead them to a victory over the Cards? Don't you guys just work yourselves into knots whenever he comes to bat not knowing whether to cheer him or boo him? Of course, you know that if the Cubs do win the pennant and series this year that it'll be Jim Edmonds who leads them to promised land.

I have a friend at work who's a big Cards fan and Hollywood Jimmy is his favorite player. We had the game on at work and the guy was just despondent over what Edmonds did to the Cards today-he looked like somebody killed his dog. I think he's on suicide watch right now, just to be on the safe side.

[Solrac]

Don't make us claim the Browns' four American Association championships and the Championship of the West that the Brown Stocking won in 1875 and 1876 by winning their season series with the Chicago White Stockings. It would just be an embarrassment of riches.

We ALL know that once again they cheated.
Marcus Macgwire used performane enhancing substances during that series :hide:

What? I'm sorry. I think I was distracted by the brilliant gleam coming off my replica 2006 World Series Championship ring.

Shouldn't Cub fans really be ashamed of the fact that it took one of the Cardinals' cast-offs to lead them to a victory over the Cards? Don't you guys just work yourselves into knots whenever he comes to bat not knowing whether to cheer him or boo him? Of course, you know that if the Cubs do win the pennant and series this year that it'll be Jim Edmonds who leads them to promised land.

I prefer to see him as a former Angel that fought his demons for 7 years :hide:

And don't worry i'm already starting to see the gleam of a 2008 World Series ring :pray:

[StanTheMan]

It is not BASED on a true sotry, it IS a factual book.

You can't claim pre 1903 as WORLD SERIES because they were not World Series, and as Hub mentioned, we've got plenty of wins from that eras as well, so you are still a little fish in a big pond if you go there.

[hubkittel]

We ALL know that once again they cheated.
Marcus Macgwire used performane enhancing substances during that series.

The rumors were that he was injected in the buttock with monkey testosterone by Pud Galvin. But I'm not here to talk about the past.

[StanTheMan]

Hey, if there was a needle sitting on the seat on the train, and he sat on it, you can't blame him for it!


Here's another point for STL.

When our heroic slugger (who actually won HR titles and set records when he cheated as opposed to finishing second all the time) was under the scrutiny of Congress, at least he did not pretend to understand the language or the questions.

Our guy clearly understood, and just chose not to talk about it. Scoreboard again!! :rofl: The Sosa equivalent would be if McGwire suddenly started talking with a Scottish Brogue that no-one could understand at all, and hid behind that rather transparent veil.

Nope, he just refused to answer. What a guy.

[STLCards2]

Hey, if there was a needle sitting on the seat on the train, and he sat on it, you can't blame him for it!


Here's another point for STL.

When our heroic slugger (who actually won HR titles and set records when he cheated as opposed to finishing second all the time) was under the scrutiny of Congress, at least he did not pretend to understand the language or the questions.

Our guy clearly understood, and just chose not to talk about it. Scoreboard again!! :rofl: The Sosa equivalent would be if McGwire suddenly started talking with a Scottish Brogue that no-one could understand at all, and hid behind that rather transparent veil.

Nope, he just refused to answer. What a guy.

I am glad both bozos are gone from baseball - and steroids are only a small part of it.

[Solrac]

Here's another point for STL.

When our heroic slugger (who actually won HR titles and set records when he cheated as opposed to finishing second all the time) was under the scrutiny of Congress, at least he did not pretend to understand the language or the questions.

Our guy clearly understood, and just chose not to talk about it. Scoreboard again!! :rofl: The Sosa equivalent would be if McGwire suddenly started talking with a Scottish Brogue that no-one could understand at all, and hid behind that rather transparent veil.

Nope, he just refused to answer. What a guy.

Well he didn't finish second in the MVP voting :dance
And he did finish 1st in 2000 with 50 HRs:cap:

And as for the congress hearing.
Sammy Sosa didn't understand english well and his lawyer advised him that if he didn't understand the question that he not answer.

But really i'm not here to talk about the past :)

[StanTheMan]

No comprende amigo. Donde esta la JUICE? Oh..... Gracias Marcus para la Juice!!! En su buttocks? Si!!!

[Solrac]

No comprende amigo. Donde esta la JUICE? Oh..... Gracias Marcus para la Juice!!! En su buttocks? Si!!!

So McGwire gave Sosa the juice :eek::faint:
I knew it!! I did see some odd sharp object in McGwire's hand when they were huggin after Big Needle hit #62 :think:

Albeit Sosa's name was never mentioned in ANY book.
Wasn't mention in ANY affidavit(sp??) or testimonials
No mention of his name in the Mitchell Report
No failed drug test. No "Van Slyke" interview.

So really Sosa must be clean :dance

[StanTheMan]

En su buttocks.. Si! translates to "in your backside? Yes? So Sosa INJECTED McGwire. He's as culpable as any of them. And a serial killer as well.

Chicago Dogs suck. Way, WAY too much sh1t on there. Does it even contain a hot dog?

Discuss.

[Solrac]

En su buttocks.. Si! translates to "in your backside? Yes? So Sosa INJECTED McGwire. He's as culpable as any of them. And a serial killer as well.

Chicago Dogs suck. Way, WAY too much sh1t on there. Does it even contain a hot dog?

Discuss.

Well "Gracias Marcus para la JUICE" i interpret it as thanks Mark for the juice so that would mean that the juice was injected in to him.

Now about the Dogs.
I've never been to Wrigley so i can't say anything.
But them Chicagoans do put weird (and too much of it) stuff on their dogs.

I really don't like too much anything on my dog.
On a side note the Astros FSN comentators did recommend it when you visit Wrigley :D

But i'm pretty sure that after Carp finishes his 4 IP of work today he will try some dogs at Wrigley :dance

[Mild Sauce]

I think it's pretty silly to say that either is heroic or was worse than the other during the congress hearings, both are disgraces.

[mikeymussina35]

I really don't care but if I had to pick Chicago.

[Solrac]

I think it's pretty silly to say that either is heroic or was worse than the other during the congress hearings, both are disgraces.

There is still no prove or allegations against Sosa :dance
Also he wasn't named in the Mitchell Report or Canseco's book :)

So Sosa>McGwire easy.

And i'm pretty sure you were'nt calling them disgraces in 1998

I really don't care but if I had to pick Chicago.

A new york yankee fan doesn't care about the rivalry that saved baseball.
Lemme tell you something. This rivalry is better than that soap opera you guys have up east.

btw
*sniff* *sniff*
Are you smelling what i'm smelling??
Smells like roasted cardinals :D

Can you say 7 games back?? :dance

[StanTheMan]

There is still no prove or allegations against Sosa :dance
Also he wasn't named in the Mitchell Report or Canseco's book :)

So Sosa>McGwire easy.


When you do all your juicing on an isolated, near third world island somewhere south of Florida, it's quite easy to aviod all kinds of reports and or books.

I'll bet he ate lots of ice cream cones down there... an inadvertent nod to St. Louis in a big, big way. Size 9 hats and everything.

[Solrac]

When you do all your juicing on an isolated, near third world island somewhere south of Florida, it's quite easy to aviod all kinds of reports and or books.

I'll bet he ate lots of ice cream cones down there... an inadvertent nod to St. Louis in a big, big way. Size 9 hats and everything.

Well atleast he was smart enough to do it on an isolated near third world island to the east of Puerto Rico actually :dance

Nah i'm pretty sure Big Mac went down there and they shared some Deep Dish Pizza Chicago Style :)

BTW how's them ice cream cone tasting down there (like 7-games down) :dance

[StanTheMan]

The Cone I eat in October will taste the best....

After the Cubs blow it, finishing with 16 out of 22 games on the road, with just one day off, and finish the season playing the Cards 6 games, Brewers 6 games, The Mets for 3 and Houston for 3 (recent winners of 8 or 10 and no longer a pushover).

16 on the road, only 6 at home. That gulping sound you just heard was Cub Nation thinking that I was surely making something up, so they fired up their Commodore 64's and checked out the schedule... and saw I was right.

[Solrac]

I'm sure we'll get some help from the Cardinals pen and the Mets pen for that matter.
And we'll run over the Brewers since they're too busy fighting each other.
And please the Astros?? The team that actually traded for Wolf and signed Hawkins??

And we all know that the Cubs will go 6-0 at home :dance

Ofcourse the cone you'll eat deep into October will probably one at Wrigley :D

[hubkittel]

That gulping sound you just heard was Cub Nation thinking that I was surely making something up, so they fired up their Commodore 64's and checked out the schedule... and saw I was right.

Don't hate on the Commodores. Brick House, Just To Be Close To You, Nightshift-that's good stuff. And Cub fans need all the soul that they can get. Personally, I'd recommend Al Green but that might be too much soul for them all at once. It might make their heads explode. They should probably start with remedial soul-something like Sam Cooke maybe.

[StanTheMan]

Don't hate on the Commodores. Brick House, Just To Be Close To You, Nightshift-that's good stuff. And Cub fans need all the soul that they can get. Personally, I'd recommend Al Green but that might be too much soul for them all at once. It might make their heads explode. They should probably start with remedial soul-something like Sam Cooke maybe.

And don't forget during the original "Vacation" with Chevy Chase and the Griswolds, when the family took a wrong turn and ended up in East St. Louis, Rusty asked his sister, "I wonder if these guys know the Commodores" as several African American fellows were drawn to the Family Truckster.

So Scoreboard again for St. Louis.... a city in the same state as CHICAGO being named after us, and making a appearance in a hilarious movie... AND a mention of the Commodores. National Lampoon's Vacation trumps Ferris Bueller now that I am older.


Metallic Blue? Antarctic Pearl? You think you hate in now... just wait until you drive it!!!

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Don't laugh at the afros... these guys could sing.

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[StanTheMan]

Obviously a Commodore 64 and the Commodores are two very different things.......

[Mild Sauce]

I think Chicago's a little more technically advanced than St. Louis, if either city had fans with Commodores as their main computers it'd be St. Louis. :rofl: That was a good one though. I have no fear, the Cubs will be just fine, mark those words.

As for Sosa, I don't care if he has had the fire or has been named in a book, the bottom line is that he did juice. As for if I was saying that in 1998, about them being disgraces, I was also a stupid teenager back then, so that's really not very applicable to anything.

[hubkittel]

Obviously a Commodore 64 and the Commodores are two very different things.......

The Commodores invented the PC and the internet all while wearing matching outfits and getting their funk on. There would be no BBF if not for Walter Orange and Lionel Richie.

[StanTheMan]

The Commodores invented the PC and the internet all while wearing matching outfits and getting their funk on. There would be no BBF if not for Walter Orange and Lionel Richie.

That's a fact... ain't holding nothing back.... OWWW! She's a Brick... (dah-dah-DUH-DUH) HOWWWWSSSSE! (dah-DUH-DUH)

[Solrac]

That's a fact... ain't holding nothing back.... OWWW! She's a Brick... (dah-dah-DUH-DUH) HOWWWWSSSSE! (dah-DUH-DUH)

I think i'll keep singing "Go Cubs Go".:cap:
Especially after the double-header today/tonight :D

[StanTheMan]

The Cubs have been incredible for about 3 1/2 weeks.......

[Zagi-CRO]

The Cubbies have the best baseball team, right now.
They haven't weak position, maybe CF /Edmonds, Johnson/.
But, I would like to see a new SS acquision like Michael Young..

[Cubbyfanjohn]

Cubs for sure.

[-Kyle-]

Cardinals...easily. Ludwick, Ankiel, Yadier, and Pujols are cooler than anyone one the cubs. Well Soto's awesome too.

[gman5431]

I'm in Cincinnati and I'm a Reds fan. I voted for the Cards though. I dont mind their team. I like a lot of their players, big name star Albert is a beast and then a lot of guys who came out of nowhere. Only part i dont like is their over-rated manager. On the other side, i hate the Cubs, mostly because of their ignorant fans who think they can do anything because their team hasnt won anything since the Civil War.

G Man

[Steve Mac]

If the Cubs win the World Series, look up in the sky, for you redemption draweth nigh! It's all right there in Revelation: a Cubs World Championship is the last sign of the Apocolypse.:)

[Death to Crawling Things]

Now? Cubs.

1980s?

Cardinals. Loved those Whiteyball teams.

If Mark Cuban buys the Cubs?

Cardinals. And the Cubs will probably rank 29th on my favorite team order. Thanks only due to the Giants.

[otis89]

What do you have against Cuban?

[Mild Sauce]

Obviously the Cubs are better right now, I don't see how that's hard to argue with. They're tied right now for the most wins in all of baseball, and they're #1 in ESPN's power rankings (although I don't put too much stock in ESPN). How long it will last, I don't know, but it's tough to argue with that.

[StanTheMan]

What do you have against Cuban?

Really? You're surprised someone dislikes him?