Why have the Mets been the Most All-Star Host Starved?

[zahavasdad]

Is there a reason why the Mets have been the Most All-Star Hosting Starved team?

I realize that Shea Stadium is no great baseball palace, but its gone after this season. And with the Yankees having hosted this years all star game, Its likely the Mets will not host for another 10-15 years. Meaning the Mets will not have hosted a game in 50-60 years.

[metfan13]

Is there a reason why the Mets have been the Most All-Star Hosting Starved team?

I realize that Shea Stadium is no great baseball palace, but its gone after this season. And with the Yankees having hosted this years all star game, Its likely the Mets will not host for another 10-15 years. Meaning the Mets will not have hosted a game in 50-60 years.

Citifield is scheduled for 2013.

I've read that it's been a management decision not to host an All-star game.

[JayJohnstone]

Citifield is scheduled for 2013.

I've read that it's been a management decision not to host an All-star game.Yes, a team applies for an ALL STAR GAME.

[DoubleX]

I think the Mets problem has been two-fold:

1) I'm sorry Met fans, but Shea is not a good place to watch a ball game. The seats are far removed from the field, the concourses are narrow, crowded, and bare, and the facilities in general are just lacking.

2) With so many new stadiums springing up over the last 15 years, the league wanted to showcase these places. Yankee Stadium only got it because it was closing (and let's not compare Shea to Yankee Stadium) and Fenway got it in '99 because of end of the century thing. Look at Pittsburgh, I think they had it twice within a decade just because of the new park.

Anyway, Citifield looks really nice from the outside, and if the Mets want the game, I'm sure they'll get it soon enough.

[digglahhh]

I think the Mets problem has been two-fold:

1) I'm sorry Met fans, but Shea is not a good place to watch a ball game. The seats are far removed from the field, the concourses are narrow, crowded, and bare, and the facilities in general are just lacking.

2) With so many new stadiums springing up over the last 15 years, the league wanted to showcase these places. Yankee Stadium only got it because it was closing (and let's not compare Shea to Yankee Stadium) and Fenway got it in '99 because of end of the century thing. Look at Pittsburgh, I think they had it twice within a decade just because of the new park.

Anyway, Citifield looks really nice from the outside, and if the Mets want the game, I'm sure they'll get it soon enough.

With all due respect, strip the history from Yankee Stadium, and you're left with a dump that many would argue is actually worse than Shea.

[DoubleX]

With all due respect, strip the history from Yankee Stadium, and you're left with a dump that many would argue is actually worse than Shea.

But that's the thing, Yankee Stadium has the history. The view in Yankee Stadium is much better than Shea though. The seats are really far from the field at Shea, particularly in the upper deck, whereas the upper deck in Yankee Stadium overhangs much closer to the field. Shea is a cookie cutter with part of the cookie bitten off in the OF. Yankee Stadium, despite the renovation, has a lot more character. I also think the bathrooms are a little better at Yankee Stadium. I'm almost always able to walk right in and do my stuff, but at Shea, there are often lines.

[parlo]

With all due respect, strip the history from Yankee Stadium, and you're left with a dump that many would argue is actually worse than Shea.I think Yankee Stadium is in much less need of replacement than Shea.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I think Yankee Stadium is in much less need of replacement than Shea.

Sure, with the amount of rework it's had since Shea opened.

[Saltzy007]

Is there a reason why the Mets have been the Most All-Star Hosting Starved team?

I realize that Shea Stadium is no great baseball palace, but its gone after this season. And with the Yankees having hosted this years all star game, Its likely the Mets will not host for another 10-15 years. Meaning the Mets will not have hosted a game in 50-60 years.
There is one and only one answer necessary...

We play in the same city as the New York Yankees...

Next question...

[zahavasdad]

As a Met Fan, I never said Shea was a great baseball Palace (Its NOT!!)

Its the basic cookie cutter ballpark of that era, All the Ballparks of the era were lousy, At least Shea had natural grass unlike most of the other parks of that era

[digglahhh]

But that's the thing, Yankee Stadium has the history. The view in Yankee Stadium is much better than Shea though. The seats are really far from the field at Shea, particularly in the upper deck, whereas the upper deck in Yankee Stadium overhangs much closer to the field. Shea is a cookie cutter with part of the cookie bitten off in the OF. Yankee Stadium, despite the renovation, has a lot more character. I also think the bathrooms are a little better at Yankee Stadium. I'm almost always able to walk right in and do my stuff, but at Shea, there are often lines.

You're closer to the field at YS, absolutely. I'd argue the sight lines are better at Shea though.

And obviously, you can't remove the history, I'm just trying to take a more objective view of the structures on their utilitarian merits. No open air in YS sucks too, especially for smokers, and the concourses are no wider than Shea's.

[metfan13]

Sure, with the amount of rework it's had since Shea opened.


Yeah, in about 5 years Shea would have been due for the 50 year makeover Yankee Stadium got in 74-75.

[RuthMayBond]

Citifield is scheduled for 2013.

I've read that it's been a management decision not to host an All-star game.
So what's the excuse for Kansas City?

[Captain Cold Nose]

So what's the excuse for Kansas City?

Management has to care.

[RuthMayBond]

Management has to care.So you're saying they HAVE management? (or is it of the female, unmarried type?)

[SteveJRogers]

Citifield is scheduled for 2013.

I've read that it's been a management decision not to host an All-star game.

Yup. There is no rotation for the ASG and usually the host team is doing some sort of tie-in with a new park, anniversary of something or whatever.

After the initial one in 1964, there really hasn't been much of a reason for the ASG to be back at Shea.

Would have been nice during the last 20 or so years since the completion of the Doubleday/Wilpon ordered re-fit, but management never did see fit to bring the ASG to Shea for whatever reason.

[Gary Dunaier]

Would have been nice during the last 20 or so years since the completion of the Doubleday/Wilpon ordered re-fit, but management never did see fit to bring the ASG to Shea for whatever reason.

When you look at it, that's a sign of disrespect to the fans. I never had a chance to experience the ASG at Shea, and as a Mets fan (don't let my millions of posts and photos of Yankee Stadium fool you) I thought it was unfair that other teams, other stadiums, have gotten the honor more than once since 1964.

I would have been so proud to see all them stars lining up on the baselines at Shea, and to hear Jack Franchetti or Alex Anthony or whomever get to PA the lineup not just to the home crowd, but to the nation.

I hope the 2013 game will not be the last Mets-hosted All-Star game in my lifetime.

[NYMets523]

But that's the thing, Yankee Stadium has the history. The view in Yankee Stadium is much better than Shea though. The seats are really far from the field at Shea, particularly in the upper deck, whereas the upper deck in Yankee Stadium overhangs much closer to the field. Shea is a cookie cutter with part of the cookie bitten off in the OF. Yankee Stadium, despite the renovation, has a lot more character. I also think the bathrooms are a little better at Yankee Stadium. I'm almost always able to walk right in and do my stuff, but at Shea, there are often lines.

Bathrooms better in Yankee Stadium? News to me.

[Solrac]

Doesn't a team have to apply to host the ASG??

[Mattingly]

With all due respect, strip the history from Yankee Stadium, and you're left with a dump that many would argue is actually worse than Shea.
Let me ask you and other Mets fans a question:

If Yankee Stadium II were set to be torn down after 2009 instead of 2008, do you think that Shea would've hosted the 2008 All-Star Game?

[Solrac]

Let me ask you and other Mets fans a question:

If Yankee Stadium II were set to be torn down after 2009 instead of 2008, do you think that Shea would've hosted the 2008 All-Star Game?

Nope because the Mets Front Office wanted an ASG in the new Citi Field shortly after it's opening (which they got in 2013 if i'm not mistaking)

[NYMets523]

Let me ask you and other Mets fans a question:

If Yankee Stadium II were set to be torn down after 2009 instead of 2008, do you think that Shea would've hosted the 2008 All-Star Game?

No. They wouldn't want an ASG in the same city in consecutive years. I rather Citi Field host an ASG in its first year as Shea did than Shea host an ASG in it's final season.

[Williamsburg2599]

It would of been cool to do the opposite. Have it at OLD Yankee Stadium in 2009. I presume they could keep it up to June, as I believe it's scheduled to come down in April of 09. That would of been one cool and true "last call". Maybe event some of the other events in the New Stadium (like the futures game, HR Derby, Softball game, etc..,), as a sort of celebration of both the new and the old.

[Mattingly]

No. They wouldn't want an ASG in the same city in consecutive years. I rather Citi Field host an ASG in its first year as Shea did than Shea host an ASG in it's final season.
I'd forgotten that Shea hosted the All-Star Game in 1964.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgmenu.shtml

When is Citifield set to open its doors? I'm seeing 2009, so if that's the case, then why is 2013 being discussed? If the Mets stadium were to host the ASG in its first season, that would be back-to-back ASGs in the same city, right?

[mojorisin71]

Forget the Mets.

Dodger Stadium has been around longer and they've only hosted it once (1980).

[Mattingly]

Forget the Mets.

Dodger Stadium has been around longer and they've only hosted it once (1980).
Perhaps MLB has a super-secret plan to not give too much to one city at a time.

Polo Grounds
1934

Yankee Stadium
1939

Polo Grounds
1942

Ebbets Field
1949

Yankee Stadium
1960

Shea Stadium
1964

Yankee Stadium
1977, 2008

Since then, and the trip out west, here are the selections for the California fans:

Memorial Coliseum
1959

Anaheim Stadium
1967

San Diego Stadium
1978

Candlestick Park
1984

Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
1987

Anaheim Stadium
1989

AT&T Park
2007

Neither the Mets nor the LA Dodgers have gotten many ASG hosting opportunities, but at least their states (or city, in the case of the Mets) have gotten the nod.

[RuthMayBond]

I rather Citi Field host an ASG in its first year as Shea did than Shea host an ASG in it's final season.They need to catch more stadiums before they are done (like they did with YS). After they're closed it's kinda late

[Evangelion]

I'd forgotten that Shea hosted the All-Star Game in 1964.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/asgmenu.shtml

When is Citifield set to open its doors? I'm seeing 2009, so if that's the case, then why is 2013 being discussed? If the Mets stadium were to host the ASG in its first season, that would be back-to-back ASGs in the same city, right?
St. Louis open their new park a couple of seasons ago.

2009: St. Louis

2010: Anaheim

2011: Arizona - I believe they're trying to host the game. Haven't found a link confirming they'll be hosting the AS.

2012: No clue, but Boston is celebrating it's 100 year anniversery, but they host the ASG as recently as 99. I don't see it happening, but could happen.

I'm positive on 09 and 10. Not sure who's getting the ASG after that. A couple of other teams that open new parks off the top of my head, but most of the new parks are in NL. Obviously, NL can't get home field two years straight. Not sure why they got it in 06 and 07. Because of letting N.Y. get it this year? Not sure.

Anyway, the Phillies, Reds, Nationals and Padres got new stadiums recently. So to be added to list are the Mets. You can add the Rays and D-backs to the list. That's why I believe the D-backs could get it in 2011. Obviously, those are NL teams except. Then there's cities that haven't had in years or ever. Also stadium closing their doors.

I don't see Chicago getting another ASG until 2016 when Wrigley turns 100. There's no stadium plans going down in Chicago, are they?

[zahavasdad]

I don't see Chicago getting another ASG until 2016 when Wrigley turns 100. There's no stadium plans going down in Chicago, are they?

The Tribune company (The owners of the Cubs) was recently sold and they are selling off the Cubs as the new owner doesnt want to be in the baseball business.

They wanted to seperate the Cubs from the Stadium , but independent aprasiers said the Cubs were worth More with Wrigley than without.

As far as the Dodgers not having the ASG since 1980, That is still not as long as the Mets

[mojorisin71]

Perhaps MLB has a super-secret plan to not give too much to one city at a time.

Polo Grounds
1934

Yankee Stadium
1939

Polo Grounds
1942

Ebbets Field
1949

Yankee Stadium
1960

Shea Stadium
1964

Yankee Stadium
1977, 2008

Since then, and the trip out west, here are the selections for the California fans:

Memorial Coliseum
1959

Anaheim Stadium
1967

San Diego Stadium
1978

Candlestick Park
1984

Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum
1987

Anaheim Stadium
1989

AT&T Park
2007

Neither the Mets nor the LA Dodgers have gotten many ASG hosting opportunities, but at least their states (or city, in the case of the Mets) have gotten the nod.

There's a difference between having them in the same city as opposed to having them in the same state. In California, travel up and down the state isn't as easy as taking the 7 train to Shea.

[RuthMayBond]

There's a difference between having them in the same city as opposed to having them in the same state. In California, travel up and down the state isn't as easy as taking the 7 train to Shea.Don't I know it (as one who went to a A's night game, then an Angels game the next day :eek:

[Gary Dunaier]

Since 1964, when the All-Star game was played at Shea Stadium, seven clubs have hosted it twice:

Angels - Anaheim Stadium - 1967, 1989 (22 years between games)
Astros - Astrodome - 1968, 1986 (18 years between games)
Padres - Jack Murphy Stadium - 1978, 1992 (14 years between games)
Phillies - Veterans Stadium - 1976, 1996 (20 years between games)
Pirates - Three Rivers Stadium - 1974, 1994 (20 years between games)
Reds - Riverfront Stadium - 1970, 1988 (18 years between games)
Yankees - Yankee Stadium - 1977, 2008 (31 years between games)

That doesn't include teams that hosted it more than once but the games were played in different stadiums (e.g. Indians - Municipal Stadium 1981, Jacobs Field 1997). No, I'm talking about the game being played in the very same stadium.

It's damn well about time the Mets get to host another one! And I don't want to want 50 years after that for the third one! If the freakin' Padres can get the game again after only 14 years, it's not right for Mets fans to have to wait more than three times as long!

[RuthMayBond]

If the freakin' Padres can get the game again after only 14 yearsAnd aren't they getting it again soon?

[mojorisin71]

Don't I know it (as one who went to a A's night game, then an Angels game the next day :eek:

I hope it wasn't an Angels' day game. Otherwise, you would have had to start making the journey immediately after the A's game.

[RuthMayBond]

I hope it wasn't an Angels' day game. Otherwise, you would have had to start making the journey immediately after the A's game.Wait, it was a Dodgers night game. It kinda got scrambled, with 5 parks in 4 days :eek:

[mojorisin71]

Wait, it was a Dodgers night game. It kinda got scrambled, with 5 parks in 4 days :eek:

Same thing. The drive from the Bay Area to SoCal can take just as long as a trip from LA to Orange County.

[Evangelion]

Since 1964, when the All-Star game was played at Shea Stadium, seven clubs have hosted it twice:

Angels - Anaheim Stadium - 1967, 1989 (22 years between games)
Astros - Astrodome - 1968, 1986 (18 years between games)
Padres - Jack Murphy Stadium - 1978, 1992 (14 years between games)
Phillies - Veterans Stadium - 1976, 1996 (20 years between games)
Pirates - Three Rivers Stadium - 1974, 1994 (20 years between games)
Reds - Riverfront Stadium - 1970, 1988 (18 years between games)
Yankees - Yankee Stadium - 1977, 2008 (31 years between games)

That doesn't include teams that hosted it more than once but the games were played in different stadiums (e.g. Indians - Municipal Stadium 1981, Jacobs Field 1997). No, I'm talking about the game being played in the very same stadium.

It's damn well about time the Mets get to host another one! And I don't want to want 50 years after that for the third one! If the freakin' Padres can get the game again after only 14 years, it's not right for Mets fans to have to wait more than three times as long!
It's been confirm that the Angels will be getting the ASG again in 2010. So, make that three times that the Angels have got the ASG over the Mets.

[Solrac]

It's been confirm that the Angels will be getting the ASG again in 2010. So, make that three times that the Angels have got the ASG over the Mets.

Again the TEAM must apply to host it.

[digglahhh]

Again the TEAM must apply to host it.

Indeed.

I, for one, don't care. I'm a big Mets fan, but I don't care about hosting an ASG. Bring out a bunch of yuppie, fake fans and tie up the city with terrible traffic (even moreso than normal) and a bunch of hollow events and marketing gimmicks. And all for what? To host an exhibition game? I think I'll pass.

[lovethegame]

Look, Shea is and was a dump
No bathrooms which always led to the trash canister being a third urinal when a crowd showed up,nothing but LI class
Upper deck designed by Sir Edmond Hillary
LaGuardia jets flying overhead 12 times a game

[NYMets523]

Look, Shea is and was a dump
No bathrooms which always led to the trash canister being a third urinal when a crowd showed up,nothing but LI class
Upper deck designed by Sir Edmond Hillary
LaGuardia jets flying overhead 12 times a game

Don't know about the upper deck but the rest of that is BS.

[Solrac]

I'm positive on 09 and 10. Not sure who's getting the ASG after that. A couple of other teams that open new parks off the top of my head, but most of the new parks are in NL. Obviously, NL can't get home field two years straight. Not sure why they got it in 06 and 07. Because of letting N.Y. get it this year? Not sure.

I don't see Chicago getting another ASG until 2016 when Wrigley turns 100. There's no stadium plans going down in Chicago, are they?

SFG got the ASG in '07 basically because they traded spots with NYY.

Wrigley will turn 100 in 2014.(opened 1914)

And Fenway in 2012

So the upcoming schedule will look like this:
2009: STL
2010: LAA
2011: ???
2012: BOS most likely
2013: LAD is trying to host it to coincide with Dodger Stadium 50th anniversary
2014: CHC most likely

2011 short list should look something like this :
1. FLA (yet to host and possibly opening of new stadium)
2. ARZ (yet to host )
3. WSH (new ballpark and city and first one since '80)
4. CIN (new ballpark and first one in since '88)
5. SDP (new ballpark and last one in '92)
6. PHI (new ballpark and last one in '96)
7. NYM (new ballpark and first one since '64 but last one in NY in '09)

So 2011 would probably be FLA and if they can get a stadium.
If they have to relocate or can't get the stadium built and passes on the ASG then it would probably be ARZ.

And on a side note if FLA gets their stadium then they will then be known as the Miami Marlins (MIA)

[NYMets523]

SFG got the ASG in '07 basically because they traded spots with NYY.

Wrigley will turn 100 in 2014.(opened 1914)

And Fenway in 2012

So the upcoming schedule will look like this:
2009: STL
2010: LAA
2011: ???
2012: BOS most likely
2013: LAD is trying to host it to coincide with Dodger Stadium 50th anniversary
2014: CHC most likely


Citi Field is supposedly getting the 2013 ASG.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2008/03/14/2008-03-14_mets_likely_to_get_2013_allstar_game.html

[sflnyc]

Since 1964, when the All-Star game was played at Shea Stadium, seven clubs have hosted it twice:

Angels - Anaheim Stadium - 1967, 1989 (22 years between games)
Astros - Astrodome - 1968, 1986 (18 years between games)
Padres - Jack Murphy Stadium - 1978, 1992 (14 years between games)
Phillies - Veterans Stadium - 1976, 1996 (20 years between games)
Pirates - Three Rivers Stadium - 1974, 1994 (20 years between games)
Reds - Riverfront Stadium - 1970, 1988 (18 years between games)
Yankees - Yankee Stadium - 1977, 2008 (31 years between games)

That doesn't include teams that hosted it more than once but the games were played in different stadiums (e.g. Indians - Municipal Stadium 1981, Jacobs Field 1997). No, I'm talking about the game being played in the very same stadium.

It's damn well about time the Mets get to host another one! And I don't want to want 50 years after that for the third one! If the freakin' Padres can get the game again after only 14 years, it's not right for Mets fans to have to wait more than three times as long!

I know you specified same stadium, but to make matters worse, Houston (2004) and Pittsbugh (2006) hosted their THIRD All-Star games during that same period. I think its an absolute travesty that both Shea and Dodger Stadium haven't hosted an ASG in decades. As for the "the management has to want it", I've yet to come across a legitimate reason why a club would not want to host and ASG.

Unfortunately, the ASG rotation recently has been all about showing off new parks in attempts to fleece tax payers from other cities to pony up for a new park for their own team.

[sflnyc]

I know many people says its because Shea is a cookie cutter, but I think that's from not thinking back more than 5 years or so and only falling into the current retro stadium hype. Riverfront, Veterans, Astrodome, etc, etc, were all cookie cutters, and that didn't prevent return trips.

Indeed.

I, for one, don't care. I'm a big Mets fan, but I don't care about hosting an ASG. Bring out a bunch of yuppie, fake fans and tie up the city with terrible traffic (even moreso than normal) and a bunch of hollow events and marketing gimmicks. And all for what? To host an exhibition game? I think I'll pass.

In all due respect, you do know that this isn't 1993 and the Mets are drawing 45-50K a night? An 82nd game at Shea in a year isn't going to be any different from any other night traffic wise. Plus post-season games, which I would presume you would want, bring out just as many fake fans. The "regular guy" fan who lives and dies with their team, watches the World Series games from home on TV, while the fake fans who don't know a single player on the roster, is sitting at the ballpark.

[sturg1dj]

Since 1964, when the All-Star game was played at Shea Stadium, seven clubs have hosted it twice:

Angels - Anaheim Stadium - 1967, 1989 (22 years between games)
Astros - Astrodome - 1968, 1986 (18 years between games)
Padres - Jack Murphy Stadium - 1978, 1992 (14 years between games)
Phillies - Veterans Stadium - 1976, 1996 (20 years between games)
Pirates - Three Rivers Stadium - 1974, 1994 (20 years between games)
Reds - Riverfront Stadium - 1970, 1988 (18 years between games)
Yankees - Yankee Stadium - 1977, 2008 (31 years between games)

That doesn't include teams that hosted it more than once but the games were played in different stadiums (e.g. Indians - Municipal Stadium 1981, Jacobs Field 1997). No, I'm talking about the game being played in the very same stadium.

It's damn well about time the Mets get to host another one! And I don't want to want 50 years after that for the third one! If the freakin' Padres can get the game again after only 14 years, it's not right for Mets fans to have to wait more than three times as long!



having 2 games at the Vet is a travesty...and at the same time how many games were played in Tiger stadium. Early they were played there, then the last in 1971. Sure it was falling apart at the end, but it was magnificent.


Kansas City surprises me since their field is so beautiful. There are just some stadiums that should not have one. Metrodome, Tropicana, Shea


when was the last time there was one at Dodger Stadium??



edit: and how the heck did the mistake by the lake get an all-star game in 1981?

[sflnyc]

when was the last time there was one at Dodger Stadium??

edit: and how the heck did the mistake by the lake get an all-star game in 1981?


Chavez Ravine had the game its one and only time in 1980.

Cleveland - Back in 1981, society wasn't consumed with cute parks to get the non-fans attention and wallet. Yes, it was large and had a bad field (from threads earlier this year on that stadium), but it represented an "old park" such as Tiger or Comiskey in a sea of "new parks" during the cookie cutter generation.

I'm adding Kansas City to Shea and Dodger Stadiums to the list of All-Star Game travesties in regards to lack of hosting. Royals Stadium and Dodger Stadium have always been among my favorite parks.

[johncap]

Is there a reason why the Mets have been the Most All-Star Hosting Starved team?

I realize that Shea Stadium is no great baseball palace, but its gone after this season. And with the Yankees having hosted this years all star game, Its likely the Mets will not host for another 10-15 years. Meaning the Mets will not have hosted a game in 50-60 years.

Sit in at a game there and it's plain to see. Er, actually it's impossible to see from the lower deck.