The Clemens Saga Continues...

[Lovernotafighter]

Much like the stories regarding Brett Favre's employment status, the Roger Clemens/Kirk Radomski story simply will not die. Wednesday, reports surfaced that say there is further incriminating evidence that could prove Clemens used PEDs.

Follow this link to read more:

http://www.hardballreport.com/content/view/1324/86/

[Old Sweater]

Who cares?

Guy was a great pitcher that was and still good to the game.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Much like the stories regarding Brett Favre's employment status, the Roger Clemens/Kirk Radomski story simply will not die. Wednesday, reports surfaced that say there is further incriminating evidence that could prove Clemens used PEDs.

Follow this link to read more:

http://www.hardballreport.com/content/view/1324/86/

The hole just got a little deeper, with no way out.

[BoweryBoys]

Who cares?

Guy was a great pitcher that was and still good to the game.

Who Cares?

Guy is a 45 year-old has-been who is out of the game for good.

[KCGHOST]

Radomsky claims to have shipping receipts of packages he shipped to Clemens. Their is no evidence, other than Radomsky's claims, as to the contents of these packages. These receipts would have little value in a court of law but are definitely another log on the fire for the court of public opinion.

[SamtheBravesFan]

Radomsky claims to have shipping receipts of packages he shipped to Clemens. Their is no evidence, other than Radomsky's claims, as to the contents of these packages. These receipts would have little value in a court of law but are definitely another log on the fire for the court of public opinion.

Bingo. Have a cookie. :)

[cdn_ball]

not a whole truth there... some shipping receipts will be sent back after the package has been rec'd, either with the name of the receipient or the signature actually on there... so thats pretty incriminating at court.

but we don't know what kind of receipt it was... all speculation.

[Old Sweater]

Who Cares?

Guy is a 45 year-old has-been who is out of the game for good.

A has been great who is still good to the game.

BTW/ Who is your team? These the only threads you post in?

[Old Sweater]

Radomsky claims to have shipping receipts of packages he shipped to Clemens. Their is no evidence, other than Radomsky's claims, as to the contents of these packages. These receipts would have little value in a court of law but are definitely another log on the fire for the court of public opinion.


Now could someone please explain to me how the Feds missed this evidence that was under a TV when they tossed his house??????

If the HGH shipping slips ain't phony they sure as hell were being withheld by the rat Radomski.


Also curious why the rat Radomski who got off scott free is so willing to volunter these shipping slips for the rat McNamee?

Guess Rats of the same feather squeal together.

[Old Sweater]

Hey Lovernotafighter!

You ever reply in your own threads?????????????

[Lovernotafighter]

Sorry Old Sweater, but all of these responses happened overnight and during my 5 hour work shift. I can't respond that fast.

[Lovernotafighter]

I reply all the time. I just don't give a **** about Clemens, but came across this story and thought that you all would be interested in him.

[dl4060]

Radomsky claims to have shipping receipts of packages he shipped to Clemens. Their is no evidence, other than Radomsky's claims, as to the contents of these packages. These receipts would have little value in a court of law but are definitely another log on the fire for the court of public opinion.

Correct. I don't know how much value these will be in court.

Has anyone seen public polls regarding Clemens and Bonds? I'm talking about the belief that either one used PED's. I would be curious to see the results. Developments like this certainly make it more difficult for one to believe the claims of innocence.

[NYMets523]

A has been great who is still good to the game.

How is he still good to the game?

[blacksilverfan12]

I find it odd that Radomsky and McNamee keep finding the recepits from a few years ago. Either they've been planning this for a few years or they're pack rats

[NYMets523]

You should always keep receipts.

[blacksilverfan12]

You should always keep receipts.

Yeah, but from five+ years ago?

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I find it odd that Radomsky and McNamee keep finding the recepits from a few years ago. Either they've been planning this for a few years or they're pack rats

Odd or not Roger in putting up a fight at the hearing and in some public statements has dug himself in to a hole with no way out.

He was caught in too many inconsitencies, another word for not telling the truth. The receipts will be looked over, the fact that they came out late may seem odd but they are probably legit.

Even with no receipts, how much do we need, his stories border on the absurd.

McNamee said he injected Petitte and Knoblouch and Clemens. Petitte and Knoblauch admit to that, Clemens says no.
Oh, come on Roger, are we supposed to believe that he ( Mcnamee) just threw Roger in there, for what reason, two admit and Roger says no.
Around the year 2000-2003 he tells Petitte that he used steroids in 1995, this is what Petitte tells us. Roger says Pettite misheard, misrembered, who is this guy trying to fool, he fools no one.
Call Mcnamee a rat, who cares. How do we know if they had some info on him dealing with those three player and under oath he was not going to lie about the situation, who can blame him.

Rat or no rat it was Roger's own doing that gave McNamee the ammo. It was his choice to go down that road, stop blaming the rat. The only thing that matters is did or did he not use.

[blacksilverfan12]

Odd or not Roger in putting up a fight at the hearing and in some public statements has dug himself in to a hole with no way out.

He was caught in too many inconsitencies, another word for not telling the truth. The receipts will be looked over, the fact that they came out late may seem odd but they are probably legit.

Even with no receipts, how much do we need, his stories border on the absurd.

McNamee said he injected Petitte and Knoblouch and Clemens. Petitte and Knoblauch admit to that, Clemens says no.
Oh, come on Roger, are we supposed to believe that he ( Mcnamee) just threw Roger in there, for what reason, two admit and Roger says no.
Around the year 2000-2003 he tells Petitte that he used steroids in 1995, this is what Petitte tells us. Roger says Pettite misheard, misrembered, who is this guy trying to fool, he fools no one.
Call Mcnamee a rat, who cares. How do we know if they had some info on him dealing with those three player and under oath he was not going to lie about the situation, who can blame him.

Rat or no rat it was Roger's own doing that gave McNamee the ammo. It was his choice to go down that road, stop blaming the rat. The only thing that matters is did or did he not use.

Right. I wasn't trying to say that I believed Clemens, because I don't, I was just saying how weird this case is

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Right. I wasn't trying to say that I believed Clemens, because I don't, I was just saying how weird this case is

I hear ya LA. Even though I quoted you in my previous post it was not a direct reply to your post, just making a point.

[abolishthedh]

For the second time this week, I've typed this heading into a reply over an egomaniac's refusal to accept reality.

Pete Rose and Clemens were once idols of mine in the first order, and Barry's dad was my favorite player as a kid. I wouldn't cross the room to say hello to Barry today.

The lessons these three have encountered are the lessons they should have encountered as kids: 1) Easy come, easy go, 2) What goes around comes around, 3) What a tangled web we weave when at first we choose to deceive. We got it, now how is it that they didn't?

[White Knight]

Who cares?

Guy was a great pitcher that was and still good to the game.

I agree. If PED's helped him extend his career, good for him. It's a beautiful thing to see stars retiring later and still producing their 40's.

[Moses Fleetwood-Walker]

Roids or no roids Clemens is probably the best pitcher of this era. He was good for the game and I think its sad the Bonds witchhunt has destroyed so many other careers in its path of destruction. Its like an out of control tornado created by the purists. Leave Clemens legacy alone!

[Captain Cold Nose]

Roids or no roids Clemens is probably the best pitcher of this era. He was good for the game and I think its sad the Bonds witchhunt has destroyed so many other careers in its path of destruction. Its like an out of control tornado created by the purists. Leave Clemens legacy alone!

Whatever happens to Clemens is his own doing, independent of what's going on with Bonds.

I hope the purists aren't going to watch the Olympics, though.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Whatever happens to Clemens is his own doing, independent of what's going on with Bonds.

I hope the purists aren't going to watch the Olympics, though.

What does that mean, Clemens not the only one, so lets not get on him.
Nothing to do with purists, if he broke a rule, thats what it's about.

Am I missing your point?

[Moses Fleetwood-Walker]

Nothing to do with purists, if he broke a rule, thats what it's about.

Am I missing your point?

If its about "breaking rules", why did you name yourself "Shoeless Joe"?

I agree there's alot of damaging evidence against Clemens that he used HGH, but it doesnt change my opinion of the man. Yeah he may be a dirtbag off the field, but I dont care about that, he didnt get paid to be my friend. He got paid to dominate on the mound and thats what he did. 7 Cy Youngs and and MVP as a pitcher! Clemens is a Legend.

[White Knight]

What does that mean, Clemens not the only one, so lets not get on him.
Nothing to do with purists, if he broke a rule, thats what it's about.

Am I missing your point?

What rule did he break?

[SHOELESSJOE3]

If its about "breaking rules", why did you name yourself "Shoeless Joe"?
I agree there's alot of damaging evidence against Clemens that he used HGH, but it doesnt change my opinion of the man. Yeah he may be a dirtbag off the field, but I dont care about that, he didnt get paid to be my friend. He got paid to dominate on the mound and thats what he did. 7 Cy Youngs and and MVP as a pitcher! Clemens is a Legend.

Lets get serious, sure being familiar with his name and on a whim picked that name. My name is Joe and I threw in the Shoeless. I am no big fan of Sholess Joe.Respect his ability on the field and believe it or not what he did was far worse than what Barry or Roger "may" have done, we have to wait on that. And for years on this board I have taken the side that believes he was guilty.

[Old Sweater]

How is he still good to the game?


Same as the Mick and he is pushing daisies.


I find it odd that Radomsky and McNamee keep finding the recepits from a few years ago. Either they've been planning this for a few years or they're pack rats


Ain't it????????? Even Perry Mason/Columbo/Matlock had easier to believe proof.


Probably find more proof under the microwave next month.


Guess these pack rats just don't dust that often.


Yeah, but from five+ years ago?

Under a TV/that the Feds missed!!!!!!!!!!!:):):)


Whatever happens to Clemens is his own doing, independent of what's going on with Bonds.

I hope the purists aren't going to watch the Olympics, though.


Well the big red bullseye that MLB/Selig/Owners painted on his back in the phony witch hunt didn't help matters. Just keep frying the big fish after they use them for 20 or so years to fill the seats. Phony Phony Phony..........and I can't believe how many fans(Haters) support this BS!!!!!!!!!

If its about "breaking rules", why did you name yourself "Shoeless Joe"?

I agree there's alot of damaging evidence against Clemens that he used HGH, but it doesnt change my opinion of the man. Yeah he may be a dirtbag off the field, but I dont care about that, he didnt get paid to be my friend. He got paid to dominate on the mound and thats what he did. 7 Cy Youngs and and MVP as a pitcher! Clemens is a Legend.


Bless you!!!!! Guy sure kept me entertained for years and IMO>>>>>>>>>>That is still 99% Clemens out there if he used or not. PED's do not locate the ball or make it move which is far more important then velocity which Clemens always had. Anti Flam Steroids......big deal.......MLB allows cortisone shots which is a steroid????????????...whats up with that???? Either enforce PED testing with an independent tester or quit the witch hunts after you use the player to put up HOF numbers without enforcing the PED tests?????? 4o MiLB suspended last year.........2 or 3 MLB players????????....come on....guys that can't pour pee out of a boot with the instructions on the bottom should be able to figure this phony BS out!!!!!!!

What rule did he break?

The MLB/Selig rule of we used you up so we will conduct a witch hunt on you rule.....headed by Mitchell who has a triple conflict of interest!!!!!!!

[NYMets523]

Same as the Mick and he is pushing daisies.
That's an insult to Mantle.

Mantle was one of the greatest players ever. Clemens was one of the best pitchers ever but he has let his massive ego ruin his reputation with this defamation suit and the increasing evidence of his steroid use.

I don't get how anyone can say Clemens is still good to the game.