1969 All Star Ballot

[leecemark]

--The voting is now open for the 1969 CKL All Stars. We will not be going with separate teams for the 2 leagues, just a single 30 man team as we have in the past. The only change will be that instead of voting for a 3rd player at 2 spots the DH and Wild Card will be a separate ballot slot. You don't have to vote for anyone who is a primary DH, although you certainly can. Its just that players at that "posiiton" will be competing with the excess talent from other positions for the final roster spots.
--Ballots should consist of;
2 catchers
2 firstbasemen
2 secondbasemen
2 thirdbasemen
2 shortstops
2 leftfielders
2 centerfielders
2 rightfielders
2 DH/wild card players
8 starting pitchers
4 relief pitchers
--Votes will be counted as 5 points for first team and 3 points for second team on position players, 8,7,6,etc for SP and 4,3,2,1 for RP.
--The All Star break actually begins on July 31 this year, with 9 days/series to get you ballot in. Thats alot of baseball between now and then. I'm going to hold off on voting til closer to the break, but if you haven't been checking in regularly I'd rather have an early ballot than none at all.

[leecemark]

--This is not meant to be a ballot. You may vote for whomever you wish. Alot of guys are playing posiiton other than the primary one they are listed at though, so this is a litttle guide to who is playing where. Anybody who is playing a posiiton regularly and playing it reasonably well is listed here.
C: Johnny Bench, Frank Fernandez, Tom Haller, Tim McCarver, Manny Saguillen, Randy Hundley
1B: Harmon Killebrew, Frank Howard, Boog Powell, Wes Parker, Willie McCovey, Norm Cash, Lee May
2B: Ron Hunt, Horace Clarke, Ken Boswell, Davey Johnson, Dick McAuliffe, Joe Morgan, Rod Carew, Glen Beckert
3B: Tony Perez, Ken McMullen, Sal Bando, Ron Santo, Dick Allen
SS: Don Kessinger, Mark Belanger, Rico Petrocelli, Leo Cardenas, Jerry Kenney
LF: Cleon Jones, Roy White, Carl Yastrzemski, Billy Williams, Reggie Smith, Frank Robinson
CF: Jim Northrup, Alex Johnson, Larry Hisle, Rick Monday, Jimmy Wynn
RF: Tony Oliva, Roberto Clemente, Bobby Tolan, Pete Rose, Hank Aaron, Reggie Jackson, Rusty Staub
DH: Don Clendenon, Willie Stargell, Mike Hegan, Mack Jones, Mike Epstein
SP: Ken Holtzman, Bill hands, Ron Reed, George Stone, Sam McDowell, Bill Singer, Gary Gentry, Tom Seaver, Juan Marichal, Larry Deirker, Denny Lemaster, Phil Neikro, Fergie Jenkins, Tom Pheobus, Dick Selma, Denny McLain
RP: Dean Chance, Ron Taylot, Chcuk Taylor, Dick Hall, Ken Tatum, Hoyt Wilhelm, Ray Washburn, Bob Miller

--If I've overlooked any reasonable candidates please feel free to point them out. Stump for the guys who have really got the job done for your team too. Or if your team is not getting the job done then stump for the guy who is playing the least bad.:) There is no requirement to have a rep from every team on your ballot, but most of us have tried to do so in the past. That may be a little harder to do with 16 teams now though.

[leecemark]

C: Johnny Bench 48.6 (McCarver 31.0)
1B: Harmon Killebrew 65.3 (McCovey 65.2)
2B: Horace Clarke 59.3 (Morgan 45.5)
3B: Sal Bando 61.9 (Perez 59.1)
SS: Rico Petrocelli 65.3 (Cardenas 37.0)
LF: Frank Robinson 62.0 (Reggie Smith 59.3)
CF: Jim Northrup 54.7 (Wynn 52.6)
RF: Hank Aaron 69.0 (Oiva 63.6)
DH: Mike Epstein 60.1 (Stargell 51.6)

--Bench, Clarke and Petrocelli have huge leads over the next best at their position. Its hard to imagine voting for somebody else. Bando's is significant, especially with the defensive difference (Bando is not a Gold Glover, but Perez is making an error on more than 10% of his chances). The outfielders and firstbasemen are much closer, including several players further back than #2, and those votes should be very interesting. We'll see who gets hot the next few series'.

[-Kyle-]

C: Johnny Bench, Randy Hundley
1B: Harmon Killebrew, Willie McCovey
2B:Horace Clarke, Rod Carew
3B: Sal Bando, Ron Santo
SS: Rico Petrocelli, Jerry Kenney
LF: Reggie Smith, Frank Robinson
CF: Larry Hisle, Willie Davis
RF: Hank Aaron, Reggie Jackson,
DH: Mike Epstein, Willie Stargell
SP: Ron Reed, Gary Gentry, Ken Holtzman, Bill hands, George Stone, Sam McDowell, Bill Singer, Juan Marichal
RP: Ken Tatum, Ron Taylor, Chcuk Taylor, Hoyt Wilhelm

[Windy City Fan]

I'd have to ask that Fiore be included at first. He's among the leaders in BA and OBP and has a .917 OPS.

[-Kyle-]

Edited Willie McCovey in for Wes Parker...what was I smoking then?

[Erik Bedard]

Probably some of the same stuff as when you put two of your own CFs on your ballot instead of Jim Northrup, who has a higher OPS and more RC than both of them. ;)

[leecemark]

I'd have to ask that Fiore be included at first. He's among the leaders in BA and OBP and has a .917 OPS.

--Fiore is 4th in OPs amoung 1B's and the others have played significantly more than he has. There are 6 firstbasemen in the top 25 in Runs Created and Fiore is not one of them. Nice season for a platoon guys, but he didn't seem like a strong candidate for the All Star when I was making up the list of suggested candidates. That said, that list was not the ballot. You can vote for anyone. As the hometown ballot stuffers in Kyleville have demonstrated:cap:.

[-Kyle-]

Probably some of the same stuff as when you put two of your own CFs on your ballot instead of Jim Northrup, who has a higher OPS and more RC than both of them. ;)

You can vote for anyone. As the hometown ballot stuffers in Kyleville have demonstrated:cap:.

:highfive: Gambler's need some more glory. They had one fricking all-star last year. I have no regrets. :dance

[BlueBlood]

I demand that the Brawlers have All Star representation!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or a Brawler. :bowdown:

[catcher24]

Looking through quickly I see some surprises, especially in the pitching. Guess that goes to show that the hitters are a bit more consistent in DM than the pitchers. There will be some tough decisions to make at a few positions....

[jterry619]

Catchers:
1.Johnny Bench
2. Manny Sanguillen

First Base: (Tough!!)
1. Norm Cash
2. Willie McCovey

Second Base:
1. Horace Clark
2. Dick McAuliffe

Shortstop:
1. Rico Petrocelli
2. Don Kessinger

Third Base:
1. Harmon Killebrew
2. Tony Perez

Left Field:
1. Frank Robinson
2. Reggie Smith

Center Field:
1. Wille Davis
2. Jim Northrup

Right Field:
1. Tony Oliva
2. Hank Aaron

DH:
1. Roberto Clemente
2. Mike Epstein

SP:
1. Ron Reed
2. Ferguson Jenkins
3. Gary Gentry
4. Ken Holtzman
5. Juan Marichal
6. Dick Selma
7. Bill Singer
8. Tom Phoebus

Relievers:
1. Dick Hall
2. Don Secrist
3. Ron Taylor
4. Pete Richert

[buppers]

C - Bench, McCarver
1b - McCovey, Powell
2b - Clarke, McAuliffe
3b - Killebrew, Bando
SS - Petrocelli, Kessinger
LF - Roy White, Stargell
CF - Monday, Reggie Smith
RF - Oliva, Aaron
DH - Hegan, Epstein

SP - Reed, Singer, Seaver, Dierker, Selma, Hands, Phil Niekro:sigh:, Lemaster

RP - Tatum, Chuck Taylor, Hall, Ron Taylor

That has me voting for 3 of my players, not bad!

[-Kyle-]

I still can't believe how much Clarke overacheived and Green underacheived...:rant: It's a 20 OPS+ difference!!!

[leecemark]

C
Johnny Bench - easily the top choice
Joe Torre - forgot him on prelim, but he is close to Bench with bat anyway
1B
Harmon Killebrew - pulling away from tough field
Willie McCovey - almost a coin flip fo numer 2 in a VERY deep crop, apologies to Frank Howard, Boog Powell, Norm Cash and Wes Parker
2B
Horace Clarke - led Badgers early contention
Dick McAuliffe - MVP caniddate if he didn't have to sit so much
3B
Sal Bando - Knights MVP so far
Tony Perez - on fire since joining Gold Sox
SS
Rico Petrocelli - actually a small disappontment, but still an easy choice
Don Kessinger - very good offense and EX defense
LF
Billy Williams - reigning MVP leads CKL in RBI
Frank Robinson - best bat on best team
--Apologies to Roy White and Reggie Smith
CF
Jim Northrup - biggest bat in the midfield
Don Buford - Brawlers token rep
--Wynn, Hisle and Monday all lose out to affirmative action program:cap:
RF
Tony Oliva - strong MVP candidate
Reggie Jackson - young slugger having breakout season
--the talent here rivals 1B for depth. Aaron gets WC/DH nod. Rose and Clemente get a pat on the back:cap:.
DH/WC
Hank Aaron - best Legend batter can't be left off
Mike Epstein - huge year at new DH position
SP
Ron Reed - shockingly great season so far
Juan Marichal - #1 in wins, IP and CG
Denny McLain - holding Thunder staff together
Bill Hands - ace of league's top staff
Tom Seaver - quietly having a great season
Fergie Jenkins - 17-3 meant I had to edit ballot to get him on
Sam McDowell - Sudden Sam firevballing his way onto editted ballot
Dick Selma - replaces slumping Hotlzma as HC ace

RP
Ken Tatum - rookie as dominated outof the pen
Dick Hall - vet having his best season
Ron Taylor - AC's token, but is leadignlead in saves for a team not winning many games
Vincente Romo - Wranglers token is having a very solid season
--Chuck Taylor loses out to tokenism. Hoyt Wilhelm, Dave Leonard and the surprising Paul Edmondson also are having very nice seasons.

[-Kyle-]

Rico Petrocelli - actually a small disappontment, but still an easy choice

He was ripping it up earlier in the season, but I see your point. He's played alright defense at a premier position and has hit well too. My hitters (aside from Hisle) have been disappointing in general.

[jkc32]

Edited to remove Secrist...

C: Bench, Torre
1B: Killebrew, McCovey
2B: McAuliffe, Clarke
SS: Petrocelli, Kessinger
3B: Perez, Bando
LF: White, F. Robinson
CF: Monday, Northrup
RF: Oliva, Aaron
WC: Howard, Epstein
SP: Reed, Hands, Marichal, Holtzman, Singer, McLain, Seaver, Lemaster
RP: Tatum, Hall, Wilhelm, Taylor

[leecemark]

--There have been a couple votes cast fo Don Secrist. He was sent down to the minors about a month ago when he went over 100% of his real life playing time. You may want to edit your reliever list. I haven't started counting them yet so no need to say post the change if you edit in the next day or two.

[J W]

C: Bench, Torre
1B: Killebrew, Powell
2B: Clarke, Beckert
SS: Petrocelli, Kessinger
3B: Bando, Perez
LF: F. Robinson, White
CF: Monday, Northrup
RF: Oliva, Aaron
WC: Rose, Jackson
SP: Reed, McLain, McDowell, Marichal, Selma, Jenkins, Singer, Hands
RP: Taylor (BC), Hall, Wilhelm, Tatum

[jterry619]

--There have been a couple votes cast fo Don Secrist. He was sent down to the minors about a month ago when he went over 100% of his real life playing time. You may want to edit your reliever list. I haven't started counting them yet so no need to say post the change if you edit in the next day or two.


Sorry...edit function was not working correctly..

Relievers:
1. Dick Hall
2. Hoyt Wilhelm (replaces Secrist)
3. Ron Taylor
4. Pete Richert

[catcher24]

I'm sure many will say "Too many homer votes", but every one with the possible exception of Jenkins has a good argument for their inclusion. And 17-3 is a pretty good argument by itself.

C: Johnny Bench – Young catcher starting to shine.
Joe Torre – Easy choice as backup.

1B: Harmon Killebrew – Defense better than I thought it might be, and offensive numbers are too huge to ignore.
Willie McCovey – Extremely close between Stretch and Boog, and Stretch gets the hometown vote. (Sorry, Jason).

2B: Joe Morgan – Edges out Horace by a hair as the starter; probably a hometown factor here as well.
Horace Clarke – Quietly having a huge season for the Badgers.

My apologies to Dick McAuliffe, whose offensive numbers are far above these two, but who only has about half the PA they do.

3B: Tony Perez – Having an outstanding season.
Sal Bando – Knights young third sacker is on his way up.

Apologies to my own Ron Santo, who is having a decent season. The other two are just better this year (so far).

SS: Rico Petrocelli – Blowing all other shortstops away offensively, and playing a decent shortstop to boot. Easiest choice so far.
Don Kessinger – Best of the rest. Quietly having a very nice season for the Leafs.

LF: Roy White – I didn’t realize until now what a top notch season he’s having.
Reggie Smith – A bit of a homer vote over Frank Robinson.

CF: Jim Northrup – An ex-Legend. Having a fine season in his second year with the Gold Sox.
Rick Monday – Many will view this as a homer vote, but he has started 68 games and it would be more if not for the 16 game injury. His OPS is 104 points higher than Wynn, who was my third choice and has played more.

RF: Reggie Jackson – Redbirds happy to have him this year.
Tony Oliva – Skipjacks sorry not to have him this year.

DH: Hank Aaron – Huge numbers, had to get him in here somewhere.
Mike Epstein – Several deserving, but he’s been a tremendous force this season.

Starting Pitchers: Ron Reed – 12-1 record and leading the Gamblers charge to a division title.
Bill Hands – Third man in the Legends big three is having the best season so far stat wise.
Bill Singer – Excellent season for Diablos.
Denny Lemaster – Surprisingly good season for the surprise ace of the Badgers
Jim Palmer – Also helping the Cloverleafs to a fine season.
Dick Selma - 13-2 record helps the Cider to the league’s best record.
Denny McLain – A deserving Thunder representative.
Fergie Jenkins – A definite homer vote, no doubt. But he’s 17-3 for my Legends, so no apologies for wanting him on my ballot.

Relievers: Ken Tatum – Not many saves, but helping the Gamblers out just fine.
Dick Hall – A bright spot for the Shoeless Joes.
Chuck Taylor – Another reason the Leafs have a top notch record.
Eddie Watt – Regretting that trade this season, as I could sure use him now.

[jterry619]

I'm sure many will say "Too many homer votes", but every one with the possible exception of Jenkins has a good argument for their inclusion. And 17-3 is a pretty good argument by itself.

C: Johnny Bench – Young catcher starting to shine.
Joe Torre – Easy choice as backup.

1B: Harmon Killebrew – Defense better than I thought it might be, and offensive numbers are too huge to ignore.
Willie McCovey – Extremely close between Stretch and Boog, and Stretch gets the hometown vote. (Sorry, Jason).

2B: Joe Morgan – Edges out Horace by a hair as the starter; probably a hometown factor here as well.
Horace Clarke – Quietly having a huge season for the Badgers.

My apologies to Dick McAuliffe, whose offensive numbers are far above these two, but who only has about half the PA they do.

3B: Tony Perez – Having an outstanding season.
Sal Bando – Knights young third sacker is on his way up.

Apologies to my own Ron Santo, who is having a decent season. The other two are just better this year (so far).

SS: Rico Petrocelli – Blowing all other shortstops away offensively, and playing a decent shortstop to boot. Easiest choice so far.
Don Kessinger – Best of the rest. Quietly having a very nice season for the Leafs.

LF: Roy White – I didn’t realize until now what a top notch season he’s having.
Reggie Smith – A bit of a homer vote over Frank Robinson.

CF: Jim Northrup – An ex-Legend. Having a fine season in his second year with the Gold Sox.
Rick Monday – Many will view this as a homer vote, but he has started 68 games and it would be more if not for the 16 game injury. His OPS is 104 points higher than Wynn, who was my third choice and has played more.

RF: Reggie Jackson – Redbirds happy to have him this year.
Tony Oliva – Skipjacks sorry not to have him this year.

DH: Hank Aaron – Huge numbers, had to get him in here somewhere.
Mike Epstein – Several deserving, but he’s been a tremendous force this season.

Starting Pitchers: Ron Reed – 12-1 record and leading the Gamblers charge to a division title.
Bill Hands – Third man in the Legends big three is having the best season so far stat wise.
Bill Singer – Excellent season for Diablos.
Denny Lemaster – Surprisingly good season for the surprise ace of the Badgers
Jim Palmer – Also helping the Cloverleafs to a fine season.
Dick Selma - 13-2 record helps the Cider to the league’s best record.
Denny McLain – A deserving Thunder representative.
Fergie Jenkins – A definite homer vote, no doubt. But he’s 17-3 for my Legends, so no apologies for wanting him on my ballot.

Relievers: Ken Tatum – Not many saves, but helping the Gamblers out just fine.
Dick Hall – A bright spot for the Shoeless Joes.
Chuck Taylor – Another reason the Leafs have a top notch record.
Eddie Watt – Regretting that trade this season, as I could sure use him now.



Nice write up....congrats..good stuff!

[catcher24]

Finally looked at the other votes after posing my ballot (I always make my ballot and post it before seeing who every one else voted for), and I'm surprised by a couple of things.

I thought my putting Morgan ahead of Clarke at second was a homer vote, and perhaps it is to a degree, but I was totally shocked to see no other votes at all for Joe. He has the highest OBP and slugging percentage of anyone not named McAuliffe (in twice as many plate appearances); leads all second basemen in HR, runs, RBI, Walks and SB. The ONLY stat Clarke has him on is batting average, but Joe has 74 walks to Horace's 23 and thus has a higher OBP. McAuliffe was actually my initial pick until I saw how few PAs he had. If he even had 75% of Morgan or Clarke's PAs he would've been an easy pick, but when he has only half as many I just couldn't do it.

The other thing that surprised me was the support for Rick Monday. I thought his lower number of PAs compared to some others would hurt him more than it has in the voting.Too bad he lost all those games to injury; I'd really like to see what his stats would look like!

[catcher24]

Nice write up....congrats..good stuff!

Thanks Joe. I appreciate it!:waving

[Erik Bedard]

C: Johnny Bench, Joe Torre
1B: Harmon Killebrew, Willie McCovey
2B: Horace Clarke, Joe Morgan
3B: Tony Perez, Sal Bando
SS: Rico Petrocelli, Don Kessinger
LF: Frank Robinson, Roy White
CF: Jim Northrup, Jimmy Wynn (no Hisle because Gamblers left off Northrup)
RF: Tony Oliva, Reggie Jackson
DH: Mike Epstein, Hank Aaron

SP: Reed, Holtzman, Hands, Singer, Palmer, Lemaster, Gentry, Jenkins
RP: RTaylor, CTaylor, Tatum, Drabowsky (my lone homer vote)

[-Kyle-]

Strike a deal? :shhh:

Just Kidding. :)

[Erik Bedard]

How about this: I'll put Hisle on my ballot if you give me Koosman and Gentry.

[catcher24]

How about this: I'll put Hisle on my ballot if you give me Koosman and Gentry.

Dan, if Kyle will give up Koosman and Gentry, I'll let him make out my entire ballot and put whoever he wants on it!:bowdown:;)

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C
Johnny Bench 40 (unanimous)
Joe Torre 15\
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3 w/3
1B
Harmon Killebrew 40 (not all votes at 1B though)
Willie McCovey 23
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Powell 6
Cash, Hegan and Howard 5
2B
Horace Clarke 36
Dick McAuliffe 14
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Morgan 8
2 w/3
3B
Sal Bando 27
Tony Perez 24
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Santo 3
SS
Rico Petrocelli 40 (unanimous)
Don Kessinger 24
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Kenny 3
LF
Frank Robinson 24
Roy White 21
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R. Smith 14
B. Williams 5
CF
Jim Northrup 24
Rick Monday 18
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Wi. Davis 8
Hisle 5
2 w/3

RF
Tony Oliva 33
Reggie Jackson 17
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Clemente and Rose 5
DH
Hank Aaron 30
Mike Epstein 27
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Willie Stargell 6

SP
Ron Reed 64 (unanimous 1st choice)
Bill Hands 34
Bill Singer 28
Juan Marichal 23
Ken Holtzman 23
Denny McLain 18
Fergie Jenkins 15
Dick Selma 15
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Gary Gentry 15 (lost tie breaker by appearing on fewer ballots than Jenkins and Selma)
Seaver 12
McDowell 11
LeMaster 10
Palmer 8
4 others made a ballot
RP
Ken Tatum 23
Dick Hall 18
Chuck Taylor 15
Ron Taylor 13-------------
Wilhelm 6
4 others made a ballot

[catcher24]

Thanks for tabulating those votes, Mark. Excellent choices all around - a very good All Star team lineup!

[leecemark]

--I didn't realize until yesterday just what a great start to his career Fergie Jenkins is having. 4th straight All Star selection! Only Koufax tops that in CKL history.

[catcher24]

--I didn't realize until yesterday just what a great start to his career Fergie Jenkins is having. 4th straight All Star selection! Only Koufax tops that in CKL history.

Yeah, and I expect him there again next season as well!:dance:)