Missing Hall of Famers

[hartman74]

I watched the pregame ceremony of the All Star game at Yankee Stadium.
I saw the Hall of Famers come out and be introduced.

There were a few Hall of Famers missing. It might be due to health and age.
Here are the missing Hall of Famers.

1. Bobby Doerr
2. Monte Irvin
3. Stan Musial
4. George Kell
5. Red Schoendienst
6. Duke Snider- he should have been with Mays in CF
7. Jim Bunning
8. Sandy Koufax he should have been there won 63 WS @ Yankee Stadium
9. Tom Seaver
10. Joe Morgan
11. Nolan Ryan
12. Johnny Bench
13. Sparky Anderson

[OleMissCub]

Ron Santo.....

[Transplanted Fan]

Why the hell wasn't Morgan on the field? He's at the stadium, for crying out loud! Did ESPN force him to stay in the broadcast booth before the game or something? Bad call, ESPN.

[AutographCollector]

I watched the pregame ceremony of the All Star game at Yankee Stadium.
I saw the Hall of Famers come out and be introduced.

There were a few Hall of Famers missing. It might be due to health and age.
Here are the missing Hall of Famers.

1. Bobby Doerr
2. Monte Irvin
3. Stan Musial
4. George Kell
5. Red Schoendienst
6. Duke Snider- he should have been with Mays in CF
7. Jim Bunning
8. Sandy Koufax he should have been there won 63 WS @ Yankee Stadium
9. Tom Seaver
10. Joe Morgan
11. Nolan Ryan
12. Johnny Bench
13. Sparky Anderson

I rarely see Irvine make an appearance.
Musial & Schoendienst: Both of theirs health is failing.
Bunning: Too busy being a senator.

[parlo]

Was Robin Roberts there?

[blacksilverfan12]

Was Robin Roberts there?

Yeah, he was

[parlo]

Fisk and Bench were not there. In fact Carter and Yogi were the only catchers. Are we forgetting someone else?

[Captain Cold Nose]

Koufax is almost as reclusive as Neil Armstrong.

Bench is on a book-signing tour at present. His schedule may already have been set.

Morgan is a head scratcher.

[metfan13]

Mays looked like he wasn't interested in talking to or greeting anyone.

[OleMissCub]

Morgan is a head scratcher.

I really wonder if it had anything to do with Sandberg being there and having to be next to him. It's a pretty open fact that he despises Sandberg for breaking his home run record. Recall that he missed Sandberg's induction ceremony. For a man as egotistical as Joe Morgan to miss a public event, there has to be something up.

[zahavasdad]

I want to know why Koufax, Seaver and Snider were NOT there

they are NEW YORK Icons. There was NO excuse for any New York Sports Legend not to be there unless they couldnt travel

Joe Morgan did the Sunday Night ESPN Broadcast from Shea Stadium, there was NO EXCUSE for him either!!!

[Captain Cold Nose]

I want to know why Koufax, Seaver and Snider were NOT there

they are NEW YORK Icons. There was NO excuse for any New York Sports Legend not to be there unless they couldnt travel

Joe Morgan did the Sunday Night ESPN Broadcast from Shea Stadium, there was NO EXCUSE for him either!!!

Is Koufax a New York icon? Yes, he is from Brooklyn, but his name and fame come from LA. Some Brooklyn Dodger fans don't consider him one of their own because he didn't do anything until going to LA.

None of the three were Yankees, it was really more about Yankee Stadium and the Yankees than it was for New York City.

I think it's up to them whether or not they feel they have a legit excuse or not. ESPN may not have permitted Morgan to go down there. He may have been petty as OMC hints. But they don't own it to anyone to be there.

[parlo]

I want to know why Koufax, Seaver and Snider were NOT there

they are NEW YORK Icons. There was NO excuse for any New York Sports Legend not to be there unless they couldnt travel

Joe Morgan did the Sunday Night ESPN Broadcast from Shea Stadium, there was NO EXCUSE for him either!!!Koufax is not really a NY icon. His greatness came in Los Angeles. But then again, he grew up in Brooklyn and is a link to the Brooklyn Dodgers.

[zahavasdad]

Tom Seaver won his 300 game with the Yankees

[Senor Octobre]

Carl Yastrzemski wasn't there, but Yaz never shows up at these things.

[OleMissCub]

I think it's up to them whether or not they feel they have a legit excuse or not. ESPN may not have permitted Morgan to go down there.

You may be right, but that seems unlikely. Yes, the event was being televised on FOX, but it was being put on by the MLB, and it isn't like ESPN wasn't there; they were all over the place. There indeed may be a clause in his contract that says he can't appear on FOX, but I'd imagine that this would be an exeption...but maybe not.

I just think Joe is a jerk and hates Sandberg for breaking his records. I believe he is anti-Cubs as well, and has made snide remarks in the past about Ernie Banks and Wrigley. If there is one HOFer who would actually be that petty, it'd be JoeMo.

[metfan13]

Tom Seaver won his 300 game with the Yankees


NO. Seaver was never a Yankee player. He beat the Yanks for #300.

[parlo]

Tom Seaver won his 300 game with the YankeesHe won his 300th game as a White Sox at Yankee Stadium. He worked as a Yankee broadcaster for several years in the early 1990s

[zahavasdad]

My mistake on Seaver, I distinctly remember it happening at Yankee Stadium

And of course he broadcast for the Yankees

ESPN broadcast the Home Run Derby, I cannot belive they would prohibit Joe Morgan from appearing on Fox.

And of course they could constantly show footage of Joe Morgan after the game

[brewers96]

Why the hell wasn't Morgan on the field? He's at the stadium, for crying out loud! Did ESPN force him to stay in the broadcast booth before the game or something? Bad call, ESPN.

Maybe he wasn't there for ESPN. The game was on FOX. He was there for the Derby on Monday, sat with the other broadcast guy (can't think of his name, the one that is with Morgan for the broadcasts) and interviewed Reggie Jackson. On Tuesday it was just the Sportscenter guys there and he wasn't one of them.

[Captain Cold Nose]

You may be right, but that seems unlikely. Yes, the event was being televised on FOX, but it was being put on by the MLB, and it isn't like ESPN wasn't there; they were all over the place. There indeed may be a clause in his contract that says he can't appear on FOX, but I'd imagine that this would be an exeption...but maybe not.

I just think Joe is a jerk and hates Sandberg for breaking his records. I believe he is anti-Cubs as well, and has made snide remarks in the past about Ernie Banks and Wrigley. If there is one HOFer who would actually be that petty, it'd be JoeMo.

Well, you are a Cubs fan. ;)

It may well indeed be an ESPN contract issue, they do take that sort of thing very seriously. Seaver, though, was an employee of the Yankees for a spell. So I have no (opinion) explanation of that. It would have been terrific if he were there. :hide:

[NYMets523]

Mays looked like he wasn't interested in talking to or greeting anyone.

Willie Mays is not one of the warmest people you'll meet.


I was disappointed with no Tom Seaver. He's the Mets' only HoFer. All the Mets had was that phoney Gary Carter waving his Expo hat and Met hat.

Nolan Ryan might have had work but you'd think with 4 Rangers at the game he'd be there.

[Senor Octobre]

Also, Doerr is 90 and rarely ever shows up to events like these.

[zahavasdad]

I seriosuly doubt there was a contract issue with ESPN and Joe Morgan

Was Joe Morgan at the Parade, that wasnt even on TV (Live anyway)

[Captain Cold Nose]

I seriosuly doubt there was a contract issue with ESPN and Joe Morgan

Was Joe Morgan at the Parade, that wasnt even on TV (Live anyway)

It's not uncommon to have a clause in the contract of on-air talents that would preclude them from appearing on other networks. Now, that doesn't mean that's the case here, though.

[ipitch]

Is anybody here an ESPN Insider? Joe Morgan did a chat yesterday, and maybe he said something about it here...
http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21493

[LetsGoMets687]

It's not uncommon to have a clause in the contract of on-air talents that would preclude them from appearing on other networks. Now, that doesn't mean that's the case here, though.

I seriously doubt that it's a contract issue. I think the event was organized and staged by MLB, not FOX.

Cal Ripken and Ozzie, who work for TBS, were there.

Joe's just a fat head.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I seriously doubt that it's a contract issue. I think the event was organized and staged by MLB, not FOX.

Cal Ripken and Ozzie, who work for TBS, were there.

Joe's just a fat head.

That's a double touche'.

[White Knight]

NO. Seaver was never a Yankee player. He beat the Yanks for #300.

Wasn't it on Phil Rizzuto day too?

[Transplanted Fan]

The weird thing is, Joe Morgan was talking about how he was looking forward to the pre-game festivities on the air during the telecast of the Mets game on Sunday. So, neither the contractual obligations nor general jackassery theories make much sense.

[Captain Cold Nose]

The weird thing is, Joe Morgan was talking about how he was looking forward to the pre-game festivities on the air during the telecast of the Mets game on Sunday. So, neither the contractual obligations nor general jackassery theories make much sense.

What's your theory? We all have them.

[metfan13]

What's your theory? We all have them.

He caught the flu from Lincecum?

[EdTarbusz]

Joe Morgan and another Red (either Bench or Anderson) had some harsh words about the ASG in USA Today. Morgan thinks the game is a shadow of what it once was, because neither current players or fans strongly identify with either league, unlike when when he was a player, and the players played for league pride, and some players would play the whole game.

[Transplanted Fan]

He caught the flu from Lincecum?

That was my theory, actually.

[G.Costanza]

Mays looked like he wasn't interested in talking to or greeting anyone.

I could'nt tell by the broadcast. As they purposely made a point to show certain individuals greeting the hofamers and purposely excluded others. I wouldn't know if Mays greeted Fukudome bcuz they didn't show it, but I found it hilarious when they made it a point to show Hamilton greeting Mays and Mays was looking the other direction and didn't even notice him. Also how ridiculous was it they purposely didn't show Ichiro greeting the right fielders.........(but of course it was a coincidence they didn't not show Jeter greeting the shortstops lol) How naive can people possible be to avoid there guilt? I think rascism is so deeply rooted people have no idea how it affects every decision,IMHO.

[metfan13]

I could'nt tell by the broadcast. As they purposely made a point to show certain individuals greeting the hofamers and purposely excluded others. I wouldn't know if Mays greeted Fukudome bcuz they didn't show it, but I found it hilarious when they made it a point to show Hamilton greeting Mays and Mays was looking the other direction and didn't even notice him. Also how ridiculous was it they purposely didn't show Ichiro greeting the right fielders.........(but of course it was a coincidence they didn't not show Jeter greeting the shortstops lol) How naive can people possible be to avoid there guilt? I think rascism is so deeply rooted people have no idea how it affects every decision,IMHO.

What are you talking about here? You think who they showed greeting players, or not, was racially motivated?

[OleMissCub]

Also how ridiculous was it they purposely didn't show Ichiro greeting the right fielders.........(but of course it was a coincidence they didn't not show Jeter greeting the shortstops lol) How naive can people possible be to avoid there guilt? I think rascism is so deeply rooted people have no idea how it affects every decision,IMHO.

Ummmmm.......

[Captain Cold Nose]

The sign says Do Not Feed The Trolls.

Best to follow it, thus it won't be able to drag you under the bridge with it.

[RockyC]

I believe Jon Miller and Joe Morgan do the ESPN radio broadcast of the All-Star Game, just like they team up for the World Series. Maybe that's why he wasn't there.
As for Sandy Koufax, he usually avoids these type of events.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I believe Jon Miller and Joe Morgan do the ESPN radio broadcast of the All-Star Game, just like they team up for the World Series. Maybe that's why he wasn't there.
As for Sandy Koufax, he usually avoids these type of events.

So he was already in the booth talking about the game to be held, etc. Makes sense, but you'd figure he could take a break to be honored like the rest of the HOF players were. Maybe ESPN, in the contract or not, simply forbade him from appearing on the field for another network's telecast. Yes, TBS did it with Ripken and Smith, but Disney is not TBS.

Duke Snider is not in the best of health, either.

[Transplanted Fan]

No, that was Dan Shulman and Dave Campbell on the call at ESPN Radio. I know because I was listening to the game while driving home after work.

[SteveJRogers]

BTW, how many living (at the time of course) HOFers showed up for the 1999 ASG and the unveiling of the All Century Ballot?

I ask because Buck kept hammering home the point about the largest collection of talent ever, but IIRC more HOFers showed up at that 1999 show, including Yaz, Fisk, Bench, Morgan, Seaver, Koufax, and Ryan.

[OleMissCub]

I'm not the only one who believes that Sandberg-theory:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/38677-where-was-joe-morgan-at-the-all-star-game-no-one-seems-to-know

Forty-nine Hall of Famers took their positions in the field and were then joined by the starters of this year's game. Nine members of the 500 home run club were there, thirteen members of the 3,000 hit club were there. Joe Morgan was not.

Why? He was at the Home Run Derby the night before. He was even in the parade down sixth avenue THAT DAY!

Joe Morgan is on the board of directors of the Hall of Fame, so you would think he would be on the field with 49 of the greatest players to ever play the game. If you have ever seen an ESPN Sunday Night Baseball telecast you know that Joe never relinquishes the spotlight. He is always in his flashy suits and will tell more stories about himself than the players in the game.

So why would he not jump at an opportunity to show himself off? I have been researching this since Tuesday and I cannot find the answer. He was not doing a radio or TV broadcast, so that's not it. There were 49 Hall of Famers, not a nice round number like 50, so maybe there was some emergency and he was to be the 50th. Unlikely.

The story that I and most other people are going with is that it has to do with the presence of Ryne Sandberg. Sandberg, who retired in 1994 only to come back in 1996 and break Morgan's second baseman homerun record, has had his run-ins with Morgan before.

Morgan was suspiciously absent from Sandberg's Hall of Fame induction in 2005. There has long been rumors that Morgan has always been bitter that Sandberg un-retired to break his record.

Also:
http://homerderby.com/archives/2350

[G.Costanza]

:shhh:The sign says Do Not Feed The Trolls.

Best to follow it, thus it won't be able to drag you under the bridge with it.

With all the obsurd racial discussions ongoing in bbf, I thought it would be interesting to do my own test. By throwing out a wild idea and see what the responses would be. And they were predictible as I suspected...... One response was a genuine inqiury... asking resonably if thats what I thought. The second made no points and was condesending, but that poster who I knew being racially fueled would be unable to resist posting(because it always does with MFW) even though it made no logical points(wrong or right) but just to make it as if my opinion was unvalid becuase it didn't agree with it. And third was the most dissapointing, for a poster who projects such a moral standard reputation an upholding the law fairly and a holier than though attitude I find it hypocritical that just becuase you wouldn't agree with someones OPINION you would so quickly stoop to a level they did not ........namecalling them and degrading them when you contradict yourself against this attitude. Instead of logically and respectfully debating them with your OPINION, not degrading insults. Btw I'll go out on a limb and bet Ole Miss won't be voting for Borrack Obama.....but I'm so sure it's becuase he just does'nt think he has the best political plan(lol) and not becuase he could ever be bias racially. NO no no kids, Santa claus is really real.:hide:

[YankeeDJW]

The wheels are coming of this discussion's wagon...

[OleMissCub]

Btw I'll go out on a limb and bet Ole Miss won't be voting for Borrack Obama.....but I'm so sure it's becuase he just does'nt think he has the best political plan(lol) and not becuase he could ever be bias racially. NO no no kids, Santa claus is really real.:hide:

Who the hell do you think you are to presume that you know my political leanings?

but hey, I'll give you some clues...I'm pro-choice, anti-death penalty, pro-legalization of marijuana, support gay marriage, support national healthcare, pro-increased gun control, etc.

I definitely won't vote for "Borrack" Obama....but there is a good chance I'll be voting for Barack Obama.

Don't you mods have the power to ban people on this message board??

[Captain Cold Nose]

:shhh:

With all the obsurd racial discussions ongoing in bbf, I thought it would be interesting to do my own test. By throwing out a wild idea and see what the responses would be. And they were predictible as I suspected...... One response was a genuine inqiury... asking resonably if thats what I thought. The second made no points and was condesending, but that poster who I knew being racially fueled would be unable to resist posting(because it always does with MFW) even though it made no logical points(wrong or right) but just to make it as if my opinion was unvalid becuase it didn't agree with it. And third was the most dissapointing, for a poster who projects such a moral standard reputation an upholding the law fairly and a holier than though attitude I find it hypocritical that just becuase you wouldn't agree with someones OPINION you would so quickly stoop to a level they did not ........namecalling them and degrading them when you contradict yourself against this attitude. Instead of logically and respectfully debating them with your OPINION, not degrading insults. Btw I'll go out on a limb and bet Ole Miss won't be voting for Borrack Obama.....but I'm so sure it's becuase he just does'nt think he has the best political plan(lol) and not becuase he could ever be bias racially. NO no no kids, Santa claus is really real.:hide:

To "test" the board is one thing. That might as well be trolling because you're taking away from the actual discussion in an entirely self-serving and may I add unscientific manner. My opinion is all you're trying to do is cause trouble. Why anyone in their right mind would go onto a site with explicit rules against such a thing is beyond me. But to pretty much accuse people of things based on not even the scantest of information does absolutely nothing for anybody. My suggestion is to "test" other sites. And don't accuse anyone of bias, because yours is so bright it's blinding.

[Mattingly]

Tom Seaver won his 300 game with the Yankees
He won his 300th Game at Yankee Stadium while pitching for the White Sox. He was the first pitcher, to my knowledge, to have done this at that stadium, and Roger Clemens (a 1986 Boston teammate of Seavers) repeated this in 2003 as a Yankee.