David Justice

[Bravesfan1984]

What do you think about David Justice chance of making the HOF?

[STLCards2]

I sense trap!!!

[Cougar]

justice never won an mvp he was just good never great and he got to 300 HR but milestones dont matter they dont make you great just someone who played a long time if justice played for 35 years he would be the alltime hr leader instead of Bonds but it wouldn't make him great only a guy who played a long time to reach a milestone.

he didn't get enough hits, only 1571, but if he did get more it wouldnt matter because he would still be only good never great even if he got 3000 but especially if he got 3000 he was the rookie of the year in 1990 though so he should be in the hall.

[BSmile]

Very good player, but not a HOF'er.
He'll never even get close.
Pretty good power (305 HR)...but a short career.
Career .378 OBP......not bad. But hardly HOF worthy.
He WAS married to Halle Barry....but that was before she got really hot.
Haha...OK, just kiddin around...final verdict:
Very Good Player.
NOT a Hall Of Famer.

[Bravesfan1984]

I sense trap!!!

why do you say that?

[jjpm74]

Is this a serious conversation? If so, I'd appreciate it if the OP could post an argument as to why (s)he thinks Justice is a HOFer so we have something to reply to. ;)

[Bravesfan1984]

Is this a serious conversation? If so, I'd appreciate it if the OP could post an argument as to why (s)he thinks Justice is a HOFer so we have something to reply to. ;)

I do not think he is a Hall of Famer. I just wanted to see what other people thought about it. It is funny to be scrutinized for just wanting other peoples opinions.

[jjpm74]

I do not think he is a Hal of Famer. I just wanted to see what other people thought about it. It is funny to be scrutinized for just wanting other peoples opinions.

Fair enough. I wasn't trying to scrutinize you. Just looking for your opinion on him.

[Bravesfan1984]

IT just sounded you were applying that Justice was some horrible player and how dare I ask if he is a HOFer

[Los Bravos]

justice never won an mvp he was just good never great and he got to 300 HR but milestones dont matter they dont make you great just someone who played a long time if justice played for 35 years he would be the alltime hr leader instead of Bonds but it wouldn't make him great only a guy who played a long time to reach a milestone.

he didn't get enough hits, only 1571, but if he did get more it wouldnt matter because he would still be only good never great even if he got 3000 but especially if he got 3000 he was the rookie of the year in 1990 though so he should be in the hall. :rofl:


That's harder to do than you might think.

Bravo, sir.

(I'm really sorry he chose David J, who I love, will defend in any argument and always talk up.)

[Brad Harris]

What do you think about David Justice chance of making the HOF?
http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1069522468058_2003/11/23/halle_berry400.jpg
Our expert judge says "no."

[KCGHOST]

Justice had a fine career, but it was not HoF caliber. He was a corner Ofer during the most prolific hitting era since the 1930's and barely had 300 HR's and didn't reach 1600 hits.

[STLCards2]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1069522468058_2003/11/23/halle_berry400.jpg
Our expert judge says "no."

No! Please no pics from DAD! The low point of cinema's great masterpiece series!

[jjpm74]

IT just sounded you were applying that Justice was some horrible player and how dare I ask if he is a HOFer

David Justice was one of my favorite players when he was playing. Unfortunately, he didn't stick around long enough to compile convincing counting stats and didn't have an amazing peak or do something better than anyone else in the league at the time. He's nowhere near the HOF for me. I was just surprised to see his name in the HOF forum and when I saw your screen name, assumed you did support him and was interested in hearing your argument in his favor. Apologies if I came off differently. That wasn't my intention. ;)

[Fuzzy Bear]

Justice had a fine career, but it was not HoF caliber. He was a corner Ofer during the most prolific hitting era since the 1930's and barely had 300 HR's and didn't reach 1600 hits.

Justice was either a great player, or very close to being great, from 1990-97. During that period, Justice had an Offensive Winning Percentage around .700. If he had kept that up, he would have been a stronger candidate.

Justice had problems with injuries throughout his career, and his performance markedly diminished after 1997. His early demise makes his stats look a little more impressive than they would be had he played 2-3 more years.

Justice started right out over .700 in OWP, so if he had gone the minor league route rather than the college route, he would have racked up better counting stats. That didn't happen, so we'll never know.

Justice is not a HOFer, but he's closer than I thought.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

http://www.theage.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1069522468058_2003/11/23/halle_berry400.jpg
Our expert judge says "no."

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Cougar]

hey die another day was a good movie and its another reason justice was great. he married halle berry whos really hot but didnt stay married to her just like james bond didnt stay with many of his women was james bond with halle berry in casino royal no he was not he knew that halle was good never great if she was great she would have been in casino royal but she wasnt so there.

justice was on three all star teams thats more than bert blyleven or heinie groh and you guys think theyre hall of famers. basides who sounds more like a hall of famer a guy named justice or a guy named heinie i rest my case.

justice use to do headfirst slides wearing nipple rings lets see bobby grich or reggie smith do that huh huh i didnt think so that theres hall of fame gnarly justice is a real man like james bond and ted turner.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Shooting down arguments is fine. But, please don't mock the person making the argument, that's not necessary.

[Senor Octobre]

An OPS+ of 129 in 6601 PA's for a corner outfielder isn't enough IMHO. Also BF1984, if Justice is a HOFer, Jim Thome is Lou Gehrig.

[Freakshow]

His prime was 1990-97 as I see it. The leaders in OPS+ for that span:

Cnt Player OPS+ RC PA From To
+----+-----------------+----+----+-----+----+----+
1 Frank Thomas 182 1077 4789 1990 1997
2 Barry Bonds 181 1128 5015 1990 1997
3 Mark McGwire 164 730 3712 1990 1997
4 Mike Piazza 162 573 2856 1992 1997
5 Jeff Bagwell 159 840 4410 1991 1997
6 Ken Griffey 154 933 4756 1990 1997
7 Edgar Martinez 153 833 4307 1990 1997
8 Albert Belle 147 805 4389 1990 1997
9 Gary Sheffield 145 685 3842 1990 1997
10 Jim Thome 145 503 2616 1991 1997
11 Jose Canseco 138 628 3826 1990 1997
12 Mo Vaughn 138 686 3771 1991 1997
13 David Justice 137 674 3875 1990 1997
14 Fred McGriff 137 850 4986 1990 1997
15 Tim Salmon 137 579 3151 1992 1997
16 Larry Walker 137 774 4164 1990 1997
17 Rickey Henderson 136 724 4256 1990 1997
18 Rafael Palmeiro 135 900 5298 1990 1997
19 John Kruk 135 465 2877 1990 1995
20 Juan Gonzalez 134 658 3917 1990 1997
21 Tony Gwynn 134 745 4502 1990 1997
22 Bobby Bonilla 132 774 4868 1990 1997
23 John Olerud 131 703 4311 1990 1997
24 Will Clark 130 727 4436 1990 1997
25 Danny Tartabull 130 539 3396 1990 1997

[Captain Cold Nose]

Folks, please go back to post 7. BravesFan does not think Justice should be in the HOF. He just wanted to gather some opinions.

[Brad Harris]

I do not think he is a Hall of Famer. I just wanted to see what other people thought about it. It is funny to be scrutinized for just wanting other peoples opinions.

I agree with you, though probably for a host of different reasons.

Good player. Nice career. Not Hall-worthy.

If you go back and look at my first post (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1245500&postcount=11) in this thread, you'll see the same thing phrased in a more light-hearted way, but the answer's still the same. ;)

[Freakshow]

If inducted, David Justice would not be the worst player in the Hall of Fame. That puts him in the Gray Area.

Election to the Hall should always be aimed towards voting in the BEST candidates first. From my view, there are only a handful of corner-OF/1B types in the Hall who were worse than Justice. In the Ultimate Quest project he did not rank among the top 50 eligible candidates from the 1980's/90's. In the 2008 BBWAA election, Justice was named on only one ballot, one and done.

This all implies that there are easily 200 more qualified candidates for the Hall than Justice. I'd say his Hall chances are fairly remote.

[Bravesfan1984]

David Justice was one of my favorite players when he was playing. Unfortunately, he didn't stick around long enough to compile convincing counting stats and didn't have an amazing peak or do something better than anyone else in the league at the time. He's nowhere near the HOF for me. I was just surprised to see his name in the HOF forum and when I saw your screen name, assumed you did support him and was interested in hearing your argument in his favor. Apologies if I came off differently. That wasn't my intention. ;)

I liked him as a player and glad he played for my team but I just do not see anything that make him HOF worthy

[Bravesfan1984]

I agree with you, though probably for a host of different reasons.

Good player. Nice career. Not Hall-worthy.

If you go back and look at my first post (http://www.baseball-fever.com/showpost.php?p=1245500&postcount=11) in this thread, you'll see the same thing phrased in a more light-hearted way, but the answer's still the same. ;)

I think this is the first one we actually have agreed on.:)