Analyze my swing please

[cubsphill]

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[cosmo34]

I take it you guys aren't submerged anymore.

You are locking your eyes onto the tee too early. Need to track an imaginary pitch into the zone and then swing. IMO this can affect posture. I think you should be spread out a few more inches too.

[azmatsfan]

Your hands are leading your hips, instead of the other way around. You're losing a lot of power that way. Your hips are still rotating as your hitting the ball. Here's Bonds showing good separation between his hips and upper body.
http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Barry-Bonds---660-Home-Run-1-Photofile-Photograph-C10123934.jpeg
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2001/10/08/bonds-71.jpg

[callyjr]

got some hip slide as well, I think you need a firmer front side.

[StraightGrain11]

Your hands are leading your hips, instead of the other way around.

This often occurs during tee work, because the focus is on hitting the ball perfectly - not hitting it as far as you can. I want to see what he is doing during a "live" pitch.

But something I do notice - that won't change whether he's swinging "live" or not - is that he is "rolling over" and "cutting off" his swing [after contact] - there is no "extension" THRU contact. Let me ask you this...what do your hands look like when you hold the bat? Do you "over-grip" (so that the "big knuckles" are almost aligned)? This can be a common cause of it.

Also, you are trying to "push" your hips thru at contact, as if this will give you "more power" - it won't. What it will do, though, is tear apart your strong base - where you derive power from. Once your hips rotate, moving them forward can only hurt you - not help you. Trying keeping your back leg bent/flexed throughout the entire swing - including follow thru (try "sitting on it" AFTER contact).

But again, this could all be associated with hitting off of a tee (I say this because your stride length is relatively short - shorter than I think it would be if you were hitting "live"; palyers have a tendency to shorten their strides when hitting off of a tee).

[cubsphill]

This often occurs during tee work, because the focus is on hitting the ball perfectly - not hitting it as far as you can. I want to see what he is doing during a "live" pitch.

But something I do notice - that won't change whether he's swinging "live" or not - is that he is "rolling over" and "cutting off" his swing [after contact] - there is no "extension" THRU contact. Let me ask you this...what do your hands look like when you hold the bat? Do you "over-grip" (so that the "big knuckles" are almost aligned)? This can be a common cause of it.

Also, you are trying to "push" your hips thru at contact, as if this will give you "more power" - it won't. What it will do, though, is tear apart your strong base - where you derive power from. Once your hips rotate, moving them forward can only hurt you - not help you.

I will say, though, that you have swing mechanics very similar to David Wright (I would post a clip, but all mine are too big to attach).

my bottom knuckles on my bottom hand are lined up with my middle knuckles on my top hand.

before i posted i realized i wasnt hitting through the baseball so im going to hit up the double tee tomorrow morning before bp. i made an adjustment in game today, i squated down a little bit in my stance and drove a couple.

i was going to get some front toss today but my teammate that was going to come early forgot.

ill get more video tomorrow.

[StraightGrain11]

I take it you guys aren't submerged anymore.

You are locking your eyes onto the tee too early. Need to track an imaginary pitch into the zone and then swing. IMO this can affect posture. I think you should be spread out a few more inches too.

This is a common misconception. Here's why:
When you track a thrown ball, your eyes are focusing on it the whole time (that you can theoretically track it). So your brain is taking in all the information, and basically getting "directions"/coordinates where to direct/aim the swing.
When you hit off of a tee, if you don't look down until the very last second - sure, you are replicating "live" head movements, BUT you are NOT replicating the same amount of information! If you wait that long, you are swinging "blind" because your body has no idea where to direct the swing until the very last second - this is not normal.
You look down "early" to give your brain/body the necessary information it needs to conduct/direct the swing properly.

If you're worried about seeing the ball "too early" when hitting off of a tee, why not just simply close your eyes, swing, and open them right before you make contact? You'd be accomplishing the same thing. :shrug:

[cosmo34]

Interesting. I've always felt, like you said, that focusing more on the "live" head movements is more important. I try to replicate the game situations, and locking on too early seems to affect posture.

[theprospect09]

I do not like what I see with the front foot. There is too much activity with the toe and the ground. If you want to pick up your foot then do it, if you are not comfortable with that then eliminate the movement. It is because of all that activity that you are over rotating as you bring the bat back over your back foot. It looks really good up top there for the first half, but then there is a second half where you twist because your front foot is still moving trying to find the ground and get down.

The stride is also a little short and should be extended maybe by another foot-length, because your lower body does not have enough space to rotate properly. A lot of this has to do with the fact that you have an open stance, and you are not picking your foot from the ground and re-establishing good contact with the ground by landing on the ball of your foot then planting the heel into the ground when you start your swing.

On a positive note, I like the hands, the contact phase, and follow through. You hit the ball pretty solid in the video clip; but you can do a lot better once you settle down that lower half. Less is more!
Good luck,
The Professor

[StraightGrain11]

I do not like what I see with the front foot. There is too much activity with the toe and the ground. If you want to pick up your foot then do it, if you are not comfortable with that then eliminate the movement. It is because of all that activity that you are over rotating as you bring the bat back over your back foot. It looks really good up top there for the first half, but then there is a second half where you twist because your front foot is still moving trying to find the ground and get down.
He is doing something reminiscent of a Chipper Jones "toe tap" here...not "trying to find the ground". His foot gets down fine. He's just using it as "reinforcement" for his load.
http://www.hittingillustrated.com/library/Chipper3.gif

How is he "over rotating"? David Wright and Adrian Gonzalez do pretty much the exact same thing...
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Some people have the "ability" to do it, don't "fault" them for it.


The stride is also a little short and should be extended maybe by another foot-length, because your lower body does not have enough space to rotate properly. A lot of this has to do with the fact that you have an open stance, and you are not picking your foot from the ground and re-establishing good contact with the ground by landing on the ball of your foot then planting the heel into the ground when you start your swing.

It has nothing to do with the fact he has an open stance. It has to do with the fact he is hitting off of a tee and not hitting "live".
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/cubsphill/june24_1.gif
Where is he not "landing on the ball of [his] foot then planting the heel into the ground"?
Toe "lands" in front of the tee stem, heel "plants" behind the tee stem.

Are we looking at the same clip(s)? :shrug:

[Jake Patterson]

Professor - please see your PM's
jake

[cubsphill]

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[deke]

If you are hitting good fast ball pitchers late meaning alot of foul balls off to the third base side,I would think that you are wrapping the bat a little too much IMO.......To correct pay attention to bottom hand/wrist during your load and that can be corrected.

[StraightGrain11]

lol, how would wrapping have anything to do with bottem hand/wrist in your load. you guys make me laugh sometimes, Please endulge us with your knowledge.

I think he is saying that if the top hand remains "stationary" and the bottom hand pushes "out/back" it would drop that bathead down/around behind the head - which it will (you can see it a little here).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cubsphill2/clementswing.gif
In a proper and successful load, both hands load together (but that doesn't mean they always "travel" equal distances - as the hitter above does have a "proper and successful" load).
So, "bat wrap" does not always equal an "improper" load. :)
http://www.baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=45326&stc=1&d=1214459615

Where I think he goes "atray", is that "bat wrap" is not a "bottom hand problem", it is a "top hand problem". It is due more to the fact that the top hand is "not loading enough" than the bottom hand "loading too much". :nod:

But I don't see it with this boy (his overall load/unload is pretty good), he's not "wrapping" any more than many hitters.
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[cubsphill]

here are some from today off of some front toss. I'm not having trouble with good fastballs, actually those are the ones i make the most solid contact on. i dont have trouble with off speed either. right now im really hitting the ball on line drives all over after have a horrible second quarter of the season.

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[StraightGrain11]

here are some from today off of some front toss. I'm not having trouble with good fastballs, actually those are the ones i make the most solid contact on. i dont have trouble with off speed either. right now im really hitting the ball on line drives all over after have a horrible second quarter of the season.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/cubsphill/June_29_1.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/cubsphill/June_29_2.gif

:) Just as I thought....your "short stride" (along with your "hip push") has disappeared with hitting "live". Nice swing.
You're actually kind of SIMILAR to (not "the same as") this...(there are obviously some things different)
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[cubsphill]

what more is there to work on? i still dont think im hitting through the ball so im going to start to hit that one drill you showed me more.

[cosmo34]

That would be one thing to work on. You are choking off yourself in your follow through.

BTW, if you don't get it now, it'll get ironed out in the fall....

[cubsphill]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v434/cubsphill/memauer.gif

[cosmo34]

Eerie.

I do see a bit more connection in Mauer, though.

[cubsphill]

Eerie.

I do see a bit more connection in Mauer, though.

i saw the same. also, he doesnt take his weight back and then go like i do. should i not be doing this? its pretty much always what ive done.

i was looking through some clips on my computer and looked at the mauer clip and noticed how at contact and for the next few frames he was about the same as me.

[cosmo34]

If it works for you, I say go for it.

[cubsphill]

after trying some dry swings without taking my weight back or very little, i dont feel anything bad about it so im probably going to work on doing it more like mauer and some of the pros above in this thread.

plus, itll make it easier should i want to sync my swing clips with pro swing clips again haha

[cosmo34]

Try it out agaist some live stuff before you do anything too drastic.

What feels good dry or off a tee, might be totally different against a moving object.

Did PG get any damage in the floods? Maybe go try it out tomorrow mornin.

[StraightGrain11]

i saw the same. also, he doesnt take his weight back and then go like i do. should i not be doing this? its pretty much always what ive done.

Its' a "rhythm-thing". Rhythm is extremely important in getting everything to "fire" at the right times. If it works, there's no need to change it - you could do more harm than good.

But if you want to try it...I agree, go for it.

[cubsphill]

...
Did PG get any damage in the floods? Maybe go try it out tomorrow mornin.


they got flooded. call ahead because i dont know if theyre open again. i shouldve asked one of my teammates that works at the front desk or someone that is a coordinator for them that i saw today at my schools field before they took off for a valley league game.

[StraightGrain11]

Eerie.

I do see a bit more connection in Mauer, though.

Yes, because he (Mauer) is engaging his hands in the swing sooner.

[cubsphill]

Yes, because he (Mauer) is engaging his hands in the swing sooner.

could you explain this? thanks!

[cosmo34]

they got flooded. call ahead because i dont know if theyre open again. i shouldve asked one of my teammates that works at the front desk or someone that is a coordinator for them that i saw today at my schools field before they took off for a valley league game.


Does Mr. T still work there? He said he worked there in the past.

Valley league is the college summer league up there, right?

[cubsphill]

Does Mr. T still work there? He said he worked there in the past.

Valley league is the college summer league up there, right?

its mostly college aged players. sam and his teammates were the ones i saw today. some of the players on his team are guys that played for my school last year but are not playing college ball.

as for mr t, i dont know who that is. what does he do? i might know because i was there damn near every day after school this past off season. though i really only knew two instructors, jim van scoyoc and a guy that worked with hitters and some pitchers, his name was mike and i dont remember his last name...

[cosmo34]

I meant Sammy. I wasn't sure if saying his name on here would be right.

[cubsphill]

i wouldnt think he works there anymore but he did in the past. hes coaching the 8th grade team at his high school.

[Infinite]

Eerie.

I do see a bit more connection in Mauer, though.
Is this because cubsphill initiates his swing a little earlier?
Or cubsphill didnt complete his rotation?
Once he makes contact his bat isnt in the hitting zone that long?
Could he wait for the ball to get a tad deeper?

could you explain this? thanks!
Yes please explain this I want to know as well...

This is not about criticizing you cubsphill I just need to learn what these guys see in comparison to what I do... Add tips for me to grow on.

[azmatsfan]

Nice swing. The lack of separation I saw off the tee disappeared hitting live pitching.

[StraightGrain11]

could you explain this? thanks!

You "start" the same and "end" [close to] the same - it's "in between" where you differ. His hands are much "further along" because he has "engaged them sooner" - your's are "getting left behind" (which forces you to pull your front shoulder through/out a little more, and "disconnect" to hit the ball). :nod:

[cubsphill]

with today being our final home game i decided i better get some video.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cubsphill2/july9.gif

the result on this one was a double to left center off the wall.

other than the arm bar, what other flaws are there?

[jbooth]

with today being our final home game i decided i better get some video.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cubsphill2/july9.gif

the result on this one was a double to left center off the wall.

other than the arm bar, what other flaws are there?

I think that's a good looking swing.

[Go Cardinals]

have you been getting recruited?

[cubsphill]

im off to play juco ball next year

[Go Cardinals]

compare your swing to a-rods:

http://www.groundup.hittingillustrated.com/hitting/Videos/Arod3_FinalBackFootPush.gif


what is he doing that you aren't?

[cubsphill]

i have an idea, but what do you see?

[Go Cardinals]

watch the back foot

[Go Cardinals]

Your swing looks good, but the lower body is lacking imo. Yeager would not like it. Watch the back foot.

Here's the rest:

in yeager's sean burroughs analysis dvd, he talks about the key steps in evaluating a swing. He talked only about lower body mechanics, but said that there is obviously more.

Your lacking a couple of things........

your not pushing with your back leg. Push with the back leg onto a firm front side.

before contact, your back foot should have some sort of movement- you want a slide, a raise, or something. Watch any pro clip and that is what you see.

next, according to studies done by dr chris yeager, separation is the #1 determining fact in a players success. It seems like your in a way skipping the separation...... in a way..... it's weird. Your lower body isn't doing enough work imo.

[Go Cardinals]

with today being our final home game i decided i better get some video.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cubsphill2/july9.gif

the result on this one was a double to left center off the wall.

other than the arm bar, what other flaws are there?

there is no arm bar problem - infact, I see lead arm extension not arm bar

[cubsphill]

there is no arm bar problem - infact, I see lead arm extension not arm bar

i never thought there was a difference... what is the difference?

[Go Cardinals]

i never thought there was a difference... what is the difference?

arm bar is when your arm is locked, generally when your try to go around the ball and don't try to hit the "inside seam" so to speak.

Lead arm extension is a very good thing

watch these:
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http://www.hittingillustrated.com/images/Bondsrunningstart.gif


no since you see it pause at that place in the swing, look for it in full swings:

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http://coachdm.hittingillustrated.com/clips/rowand_9_17_side.gif

[mbs]

there is no arm bar problem - infact, I see lead arm extension not arm bar



I agree!---

He needs Yeager's nfo on Lead-arm-extension

[StraightGrain11]

compare your swing to a-rods:

http://www.groundup.hittingillustrated.com/hitting/Videos/Arod3_FinalBackFootPush.gif


what is he doing that you aren't?

Good question, Connor. Here's something a little more important...
You're hands DROP because you "swing up" on the ball, A-Rod's stay "high", and go "straight to the contact point" because he is trying to "swing down and thru" the ball. A-Rod's first hand movements are not "down", they are "towards" the ball.
If want to argue A-Rod's hands also "move down" - fine - but watch the bat path of each player; their APPROACHES (mentally and physically) are obviously different.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cubsphill2/july9.gif
Your bat drops off the backside as your elbow/arm slots - this is a result of "swinging up".

[Ifubuildit]

I am having a real hard time seeing where this hitters hands drop.

Looks like a pretty decent swing


Elliott.

[jbooth]

I am having a real hard time seeing where this hitters hands drop.

Looks like a pretty decent swing


Elliott.

I don't see it either. He takes his hands straight back to his armpit and then the hands and shoulder go at he ball. I don't see any drop.

[Kevin G]

Your lacking a couple of things........

your not pushing with your back leg. Push with the back leg onto a firm front side.


Be careful of advise like this.

There is a back leg issue.... you're getting your weight too far back.

You get your but cheek behind your back foot. That is too far to carry your center forward far enough because you run out of time.

I would guess that you are "using" your back upper leg more than most because it has to support your upper body mass too long.

This is a chicken and egg thing. It could be a cause of the hang back and swing up, or it could help support that intent. You must figure that out.

[cosmo34]

I don't see a drop, but I do see what he's talking about, about the difference between Phil's and Arods hand path.

[Slapper23]

While I don't see his weight being too far back, especially as he is on his back toe at contact, I would like to see more separation. He could easily gain that separation by rotating into toe touch, IMO. As a result, I would expect his bat speed and power to increase due to gaining more bat whip.

I want to be careful not to take anything away from his swing in the clip...nice effort, just needs some tweaking.
My 2 cents.

Mike

[StraightGrain11]

Then I will rephrase it slightly differently - watch the TOP HAND. Arod's stays ABOVE his bottom hand longer. Your's get's underneath your bottom hand before your hands even get to your torso - this doesnt' occur in most "elite hitters'" swings until their hands are near/past the centerline (vertical) of their torso.

[cosmo34]

Then I will rephrase it slightly differently - watch the TOP HAND. Arod's stays ABOVE his bottom hand longer. Your's get's underneath your bottom hand before your hands even get to your torso - this doesnt' occur in most "elite hitters'" swings until their hands are near/past the centerline (vertical) of their torso.


Winner.

That was the first thing I noticed, but I wasn't quite sure how to correctly describe what I saw. I'll go with SG's prognosis.

[BoardMember]

CP, this is an excellent swing. I see very good separation. Excellent timing and sequencing of the unload. Very good lower and upper body mechanics..........

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During the slotting phase, you "lay it out a bit" before launch.

Maintaining the wrist cock into launch will keep it from laying out so early.....and keep the top hand orientation from breaking down early.........

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[StraightGrain11]

:)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2243/2276551950_825d8d40f1.jpg?v=0 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/80/206201899_af6b02d515.jpg?v=0
Yes, even "Mr. Uppercut" (supposed :rolleyes:), himself, keeps his TOP HAND "ON TOP" [of the ball] as long as possible. This is goal of "elite hitters" - be careful, though, this may feel like "swinging down" on the ball...:shhh:

[StraightGrain11]

CP, this is an excellent swing. I see very good separation. Excellent timing and sequencing of the unload. Very good lower and upper body mechanics..........

http://i38.tinypic.com/116qux3.gif

During the slotting phase, you "lay it out a bit" before launch.

Maintaining the wrist cock into launch will keep it from laying out so early.....and keep the top hand orientation from breaking down early.........

http://i34.tinypic.com/okbvrp.gif

Agree :) He does have a nice swing.

[fungo22]

I agree with JB, BM and others that there are a lot of good things about this swing.

I see no hand drop issues.
I see no problem with the back leg. There is no need for pushing in the way suggested. I also see no problem with keeping too much weight back.
I see no problem either "barring" the front arm or

I agree with BM about maintaining the bat angle, although I think the MLB hitter in BM's synchronized clip (is that A-Rod turned around?) is dealing with an offspeed pitch in which he gets his front foot down too soon.

I also think he could stretch it out (coil) a little more as he prepares his body to swing. In short, load/unload and rotate a little better.

[The Glovedoctor]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/cubsphill2/july9.gif



That's a pretty sweet swing. Actually, it kinda makes me feel funny inside.

[fungo22]

I also think he could stretch it out (coil) a little more as he prepares his body to swing. In short, load/unload and rotate a little better.


I take that back. He's loading pretty good.

[fungo22]

Winner.

That was the first thing I noticed, but I wasn't quite sure how to correctly describe what I saw. I'll go with SG's prognosis.

In my experience, usually the top hand leading (pointed out by StraightGrain and Cosmo) comes from an over-dominant top hand associated with bat drag. One of the key indicators of this is the back elbow leading the hands, which I don't really see here (his back elbow is pretty much a blur to me).

Keep in mind that he is hitting the pitch deeper in the zone (hit the ball to left-center) and he needs to get the bat flat a little sooner. Also keep in mind that his pitch is about waist high, so he needs to get the bat flat quicker. I don't think this is a problem. Bottom hand drilling would be helpful if it is.

There may be a little slop in his front arm (there is in his soft-toss swing). I'm not good enough to see that in the game swing, but I think the swing (game swing) is a good one, and apart from maintaining a little longer what Englishbey calls the "hinge angle" (pointed out by BoardMember), I would suggest that the young man not worry about pushing off the back leg, lead arm extension or other monkeying with this pretty dang good (5-frame) swing.

[cosmo34]

I wasn't really saying for him to lead with the top hand, more about how his bat falls back and there is a slight loop from it. I meant I would like to see a slightly more direct hand angle, by keeping the top hand above the bottom hand, whereas his top hand gets slightly below his bottom hand. The Cano picture shows pretty good what I meant.

[fungo22]

I wasn't really saying for him to lead with the top hand,

I didn't accuse you of saying or implying that. I was saying that getting the top hand under the bottom hand too soon (the phenomenon and possible problem you pointed out) is symptomatic of a bigger problem associated with bat drag and leading with the top hand.

But I was also suggesting that I didn't see a serious bat drag problem (maybe some bat lag), that his top hand position could be legitimately accounted for by pitch location (up and deeper in the zone). Getting the bat flat quick - especially when you hit the pitch deeper in the zone - is a good thing. And getting the top hand under the bottom is associated with the bat getting flat. On the other hand, it is also associated with not maintaining the "hinge angle" that BoardMember pointed out.

[cosmo34]

I don't feel there was any bat drag either, at least in the traditional sense. He just has a little bit of a loop from his bat falling back.

It very well could be just the pitch location, but when I hit with him the other day, I didn't see that hand path on pitches away.

[fungo22]

I think his pre-swing hand job with his bat head wiggling around and nearly vertical complicates things. But unless he has a coach who knows what he is doing overseeing changes, I wouldn't monkey with this guy's swing.

And if you can see his hand path with your bare, uncalibrated eyeballs, you're a better man than I. Which is possible. I saw one several months back.

[cosmo34]

He's going to a school that I attended last fall. They give solid advice on hitting, and don't tinker too much. Mostly refining. He'll do just fine there.

I'm not saying my eyes are that good, just that I had a live, front and center view.

[cubsphill]

ya, im more aggressive with my top hand now, even more than when you saw me hit. my stance is a little different so i dont do that wiggle that fungi mentioned, im doing something more like what chipper jones does. and i went back to the tap back load, im much more comfortable with it.

also i had developed that wiggle some point during the year when i was in a good rhytm and i just stuck with it because i was having a lot of success.

[fungo22]

ya, im more aggressive with my top hand now, even more than when you saw me hit.

Top hand dominance or even top hand focus will eventually screw up your swing. I used to advocate throwing the top hand. One of the worst cues I ever used. The heavy lifting is done with the front arm. You do a pretty good job of getting your front arm up and into the plane of the swing. Don't screw that up with a top hand job. My opinion. Most high school and college hitting coaches don't really know much about good swing mechanics. They go to clinics and listen to this pro and that expert and then regurgitate a bunch of hearsay and folklore. I was one of them.

[LClifton]

cubsphill,
You have a nice swing.
You mention subtle changes that you are working on. There are always tweaks going on.
With what I see--do little to disturb that rhytm you speak of.
Keep swinging.

[FanRuth714]

fungo:Most high school and college hitting coaches don't really know much about good swing mechanics.


I say the same about YOU Greg and your posse....

[fungo22]

fungo:

I say the same about YOU Greg and your posse....

And it is your right to say so. Even if you don't know what you're talking about. That's the nice thing about this forum. But it's also the thing that makes forums like this dangerous for young hitters like CubsPhill. You've got it all screwed up. It's not my posse. It's Steve's posse. Do you know who first called us that? Are you saying that Englishbey doesn't know much about good swing mechanics?

Are you saying that I get my information from attending clinics and from this pro and that expert and then regurgitate a bunch of hearsay and folklore? How much of what I said do you say the same thing about me and my posse? Are you a college or HS coach?

I noticed you have 126 posts and 28 of them (over 20%) are in the one thread glorifying Yeager. Are you a member of the Yeager posse?

[FanRuth714]

Are you a college or HS coach?

college coach


Even if you don't know what you're talking about.

I would say the same about you.


But it's also the thing that makes forums like this dangerous for young hitters like CubsPhill.

pcr is dangerous



Are you saying that Englishbey doesn't know much about good swing mechanics?

Can we see the improvements his system made in your son's swing Greg????

post some clips....

[fungo22]

college coach


What college?


I would say the same about you.


Of course you would. You're a Yeager guy. Which part of what I said about CubPhill's swing do you disagree with? Let's be specific instead of throwing around vague generalities.


pcr is dangerous


How would you know? What do you really know about PCR? I bet you don't understand half of what Nyman posted about what PCR is. Or you didn't even read it. Explain what you think PCR is. Then explain what part of it is dangerous. Let's see who knows what who's talking about.



Can we see the improvements his system made in your son's swing Greg????

post some clips....

Sure. Although your request shows how long you've been around these hitting forums. Or how long your memory is. I've posted my son's improvements in the past. Several times.

[FanRuth714]

I bet you don't understand half of what Nyman posted about what PCR is.

Nyman doesn't understand half of what Nyman posts.

Explain what you think PCR is.

An acronym designed to sell spin....

I've posted my son's improvements in the past.

Haven't been around that long.... Maybe you can point me to the link..???

Where is he playing????

[fungo22]

Nyman doesn't understand half of what Nyman posts.


An acronym designed to sell spin....



That's what I thought. You don't know what you're talking about. Just regurgitating hearsay and dogma.

You've popped in here smarting off about what I don't know. Now it's your turn to show that you have a clue. Either answer my questions seriously or we're done with this discussion. Answer them and I'll repost my son's swings. Before and after. Then you can post some of your own.

Besides, PCR is not an acronym. You don't know what you're talking about there either.

And why do you use so many question marks????

[FanRuth714]

Besides, PCR is not an acronym.

really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym


Answer them and I'll repost my son's swings.

You constantly promote SE---what better way to do this that to show the improvements of his biggest fan's son?????????? Why are you holing back a tremendous selling point??????

And why do you use so many question marks????

to add emphasis to my questions?????? maybe??????

[fungo22]

really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym


Either you didn't read far enough in Wikipedia or you didn't understand what you read. Or both.

The word acronym was coined in 1943 by Bell Laboratories[1] for abbreviations pronounced as words, such as NATO, AIDS and Laser.

Abreviations pronounced as words.


a word formed from the initial letters or groups of letters of words in a set phrase or series of words, as Wac from Women's Army Corps, OPEC from Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, or loran from long-range navigation

Words formed from the initial letters of words.


Just so you'll know what you're talking about in the future, an acronym as not just familiar initials, like NCAA, CIA, or PCR. It is a word formed from those initials (Like NATO, SNAFU, OPEC, etc). And the United Network Command for Law & Enforcement.


And you don't know what you're talking about when you bash PCR. You don't really understand what it is. You just like to pop off.



You constantly promote SE---what better way to do this that to show the improvements of his biggest fan's son?????????? Why are you holing back a tremendous selling point??????



Englishbey probably doesn't need my son to sell his instruction, but I would be happy to post his swings. As I said, I have before and after swings. But I told you the discussion on PCR is over until you answer my questions. The longer you evade the question, the more confim my point that you college coaches don't really know what you're talking about.



to add emphasis to my questions?????? maybe??????




Surely an adult college coach can express himself more maturely than this. But then perhaps you've misrepresented that facts in this regard as well.



FYI, Ruth is just a kid.......But hey, I don't blame him/them........Apparantly it's a "self-worth" issue for them.......


So, just a kid, what college was it you coached at? And just exactly what is your relationship to Mark L?

Jake, is there some forum rule against this? Kid claims he's a college coach. I'd like to go visit the college baseball web site. I bet it's a small college.

[FanRuth714]

Abreviations pronounced as words.

nope-not always

Acronym:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym

pcr falls into 1st category---thought you were an English teacher

* Pronounced only as the names of letters
o BBC: British Broadcasting Corporation
o DNA: deoxyribonucleic acid
o LED: light-emitting diode
o USA: United States of America
* Pronounced as the names of letters but with a shortcut
o AAA:
+ (triple a) American Automobile Association
+ (three a's) Amateur Athletic Association
o IEEE: (i triple e) Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers
o NAACP: (en double a cee pee) National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
o NCAA: (en cee double a or en cee two a or en cee a a) National Collegiate Athletic Association
* Shortcut incorporated into name
o 3M: (three em) originally Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company
o E³: (e three) Electronic Entertainment Exposition
o W3C: (double-u three cee) World Wide Web Consortium
* Multi-layered acronyms
o FRC: FIRST Robotics Competition, i.e., For Inspiration and Recognition of Science and Technology Robotics Competition
o JAXB: Java API for XML Binding, i.e. Java Application Programming Interface for eXtensible Markup Language Binding
o GTK+: GIMP Tool Kit, i.e. GNU Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit, i.e. GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit
o GAIM: GTK+ AOL Instant Messenger, i.e. GIMP Tool Kit America OnLine Instant Messenger, i.e. GNU Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit America OnLine Instant Messenger, i.e. GNU's Not Unix Image Manipulation Program Tool Kit America OnLine Instant Messenger
o VHDL: VHSIC Hardware Description Language, i.e., Very High Speed Integrated Circuits Hardware Description Language
o Recursive acronyms, in which the abbreviation itself is the expansion of one initial
+ GNU: GNU's Not Unix!
+ HURD: HIRD of Unix-Replacing Daemons, where "HIRD" stands for "HURD of Interfaces Representing Depth"
+ PHP: PHP Hypertext Preprocessor
+ VISA: VISA International Service Association
+ XNA: XNA's Not Acronymed - a game development framework from Microsoft
* Self-referential acronyms
o TLA: Three Letter Acronym, i.e. it is an example of what it means

[FanRuth714]

FYI, Ruth is just a kid.......But hey, I don't blame him/them........Apparantly it's a "self-worth" issue for them.......


That was posted by BM and makes me chuckle---I guess John was just throwing darts--no idea where he came up with that one...

[fungo22]

nope-not always



I'm pretty much finished arguing with a kid who represents himself as a college coach. But since you don't want to talk about PCR anymore, I'll give educating you on language one more shot.

So let's discuss the etymology of acronym. If you'll read the article (and it is an on-line encyclopedia article written by who-knows-who - not a dictionary definitiion), it says that acronym was coined to refer to words formed from initials like NATO and SNAFU. But because some people (like you) began misusing it to refer to initialisms like FBI and PCR, it has come to refer to both in the lexicon of some people (I teach classes with people in them who make the same mistake. But they are wrong just as you are). Which of course means that there would no longer be a word that refers exclusively to actual words formed from initials, which is what acronym originally referred to. As the article points out, people who care about what words mean distinguish between acronyms and mere initialisms. But the writer of the Wikipedia entry is trying to show he's done his homework. So he lists all of the initialisms he can find. That explains the lengthy list you cite.

Here endeth the lesson.

Go write some recruiting letters for your college team.

[LClifton]

In other words,

"I'd like to buy a vowell please." :rofl: