All Time Draft #3 Discussion

[The Splendid Splinter]

I figured we would start a new thread now about the third time around...

so far it's me, EB, Wade, and WCF so far... we need 4 more so we get on with a draft...

I'm gonna ask a friend to see if he wants to do it but who else would do this so I can PM them...

[The Splendid Splinter]

Now we got 5... Westlake is joining this.

3 spots left... (also a friend of mine is thinking wether he wants to play or not so maybe 6)

[SamtheBravesFan]

I'll do it again!

[BlueBlood]

I'm totally down if there's still an open slot. :dance

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'll do it again!

Sorry Sam but you didn't even finish your team last time. So why should I let you do this one?

I'm totally down if there's still an open slot. :dance

How often do you come on here? I see you don't post much, but it doesn't mean you don't come on here often.

I'm looking to get 8 guys who will come on here very often and be here from start to finish. I'm sorry if I'm being picky, but this happen the first 2 times where people quit during the draft or don't finish so I'm trying to avoid it. After thinking about it, you guys can play. Just don't let me down and quit.

EDIT: My friend (Wolverineman) is also joining this... That's 8 now. I'll allow these 2 so we can get on with this, but hopefully none of us will quit and be on here often so we can get done quickly with the draft. I would like to do at least a round a day which would takes us 25 days to finish. If we do 2 rounds, then that would be great since it'll take us only 2 weeks to do the whole draft.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Here are the 8 teams:
TSS
EB
WCF
Wade
WL
STBF
Blue
Wolverine


Draft Order:

Westlake
Wolverine
EB
Blue
Wade
STBF
WCF
TSS

Teams:
25 players like usual... We will have a DH. We will have a manager and stadium draft as well. Do we want to do that before or after the draft?

Draft Time Limit:
Again... this is something we need to agree on.

Criteria:
There isn't really any criteria on drafting the players. You can go by whatever you want. I wanted to do something different than the last 2 drafts. Plus, it's hard to come up with a very good criteria without searching for a long time or hard to find. I think it's more fun when you get to draft the players that you want instead of like drafting a player by a certain stat.

Requirements:
The only thing I can think of is how many years you had/have to play in order to be qualify for the draft? 5 years? 7? We can make it different for players and pitchers as well. Right now, there isn't any requirements. You can draft whoever you want from whatever league. It can be Negro League, Japanese, Cuban, etc... It's all for fun and making the team that you want.

Roster Page:
I'll put one up right before we start the draft. Also, I would like us to put like a summary at the end of our roster page. It's kinda gonna be an analysis on how/why/what stat or list you went by on draft and also why you think your team is the best... You can do that part whenever you want, but I would require it would be done before the draft is completed.

Tournament:
There will be an 8 team tournament in forms of polls after we complete the draft. Which forum should we use do this? The history forum is probably our best bet...

Tournament Polls:
As for the poll at the end for the tournament... I was thinking of 6 options poll. Have 2 teams on there... then 3 questions to define like a 2-1 winner instead of voting one or the other. The questions are who wins a series? who wins at their prime/best years? and who wins for a career? I think that way... it covers everything. If you don't like that, then we can just straight who wins team a or team b poll...


I just wanna say while someone will win from the tournament. It's all just for fun. I want the 8 of us agree on something though instead of having 1 guys making all the rules and stuff. What I have down is what some of us have agreed on or just throwing things out there. If you guys have any ideas or if I need to add some more things/sections, just let me know.


This post will be the post where we have everything that we decided on for each part of the draft/tournament. So once we have this completed, I will make this the first post in the draft thread so we can look at it if we have any questions... Good luck to everyone and Lets have some fun doing this.

[Erik Bedard]

TSS,

I just have a few suggestions. One, I don't think there should be any requirements as to who can be drafted. Since it's all subjective, I'd even be in favor of Negro Leaguers and Japanese players being eligible. Just keep in mind that you'd be taking a hit in the minds of most, if not all, voters.

The best way, I've found, to determine an order involves three people. One person assigns each drafter a number, and PMs it to another person. Then a third person gets a random order from 1-8 (random.org is the best), and posts it, then use the numbers each person was assigned to determine the order.

[The Splendid Splinter]

TSS,

One, I don't think there should be any requirements as to who can be drafted. Since it's all subjective, I'd even be in favor of Negro Leaguers and Japanese players being eligible. Just keep in mind that you'd be taking a hit in the minds of most, if not all, voters.

Wouldn't it be hard to judge a team if their bullpen, for example, has Carlos Marmol and Saito??? Don't forget how the polls are going to be... wins in a series, in their prime/best years, and career...

As far as doing NLers/Japanese, I don't know if I'm doing that because you would be at a disadvantage already with voters or anyone who doesn't, but again if you draft someone with PEDs/HGH/steriod attached to them, it's in the same boat... I'm on the fence on whether to add NL/Japanese to the draft... Plus only a handful would actually make it on these teams since there's only 8 of us. We can allow it and draft them at your own risk that you will take a hit. Again it's all for fun.

The best way, I've found, to determine an order involves three people. One person assigns each drafter a number, and PMs it to another person. Then a third person gets a random order from 1-8 (random.org is the best), and posts it, then use the numbers each person was assigned to determine the order.

Yeah that way is the way we did it last time right?

[Erik Bedard]

Paige, Gibson, and Charleston could all go very early. Oh would probably go sometime as well, though he'd probably be the only pure Japanese player to get drafted.

If I took Marmol, I'd remember that it would probably hurt significantly in my career values. Or we could institute a career minimum, but only for active players. Like maybe only active players with 7+ years. Or 5+ if somebody wants Webb. But in general, I'm against excluding anybody.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Paige, Gibson, and Charleston could all go very early. Oh would probably go sometime as well, though he'd probably be the only pure Japanese player to get drafted.

If I took Marmol, I'd remember that it would probably hurt significantly in my career values. Or we could institute a career minimum, but only for active players. Like maybe only active players with 7+ years. Or 5+ if somebody wants Webb. But in general, I'm against excluding anybody.

Yeah it would be only for active players with the minimum, but it's all for fun. The more I think about it, the more I'm like screw it. Just draft whoever you want but do it at your own risk. Also are we doing DH or no? I would say Yes just so we can have another great hitter in the lineup.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I just got back the order of our draft in the way EB explained to me but a little bit different... I sent my mom a list of our name and she randomly put 1-8 on them. She got my brother to go on random.org and he doesn't know which number belongs to who because she called him and made him get on the computer and type in 1-8. Then she sent me a list of names in the order of what my brother told her. Here how it came out...


Westlake
Wolverine
EB
Blue
Wade
STBF
WCF
TSS

[Erik Bedard]

That's fine with me. I like drafting third.

Oh, and I'm pro-DH... though maybe it would be fun to consider hitting pitchers, such as Wes Ferrell... I don't really care either way.

[BlueBlood]

For the record, I'm on BF pretty much daily and I participate in another fantasy game here (the CKL) so you can count on me to finish this project. I'm actually quite stoked about this which along with the CKL are the two bits of BF that I really wanted to be involved with a few months back.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Just letting people know... there might be some changes in the first post of the draft thread and that's where I'll be making the changes if we decided on different rules or ways or if anything needed to be added in...

Like I added that there are DHs and you can vote in the polls but the one your team is in it...

We can also do trades with picks or players as well... With a waiver round at the end of the draft for a week and it's first come first served with that...

[The Splendid Splinter]

What does everyone think of the first round?

I was very surprised to get both Willie Mays and Ted Williams...

I thought the pitchers were going a little too early IMO since I figured I would been the first one to take a pitcher.

Josh Gibson at #2 is an interesting pick as well, but probably worth it due to him being a catcher.

[Wade8813]

With only 8 people drafting, every team's going to be super deep. I was close to taking a starting pitcher, but decided I wanted Hornsby more, since I see more of a drop off there. Same with Williams - the position gives Hornsby the edge, IMO.

[BlueBlood]

Hornsby's an interesting case. Joe Morgan and Eddie Collins could arguably be better.

Joe Morgan:

512 Career Win Shares
Top Three Seasons: 44, 40, 39
Top 5: 197

Eddie Collins:

574 Career Win Shares
Top Three Seasons: 43, 43, 40
Top 5: 193

Rogers Hornsby:

502 Career Win Shares
Top Three Seasons: 47, 42, 41
Top 5: 190

That's the order James ranked them in the newer Historical Abstract. I think the clincher for Hornsby is...

Win Shares Per 162:

Hornsby: 36.00
Collins: 32.90
Morgan: 31.31

Then there's Lajoie who isn't too far behind these others with arguably the best three separate seasons and an average of 32.40. Granted, after him, there's definitely a drop off. Frankly, the person that wins this game is the one that can put together a team with the most obviously First-Tier players. For example, there's about five or six catchers that fit into that, so a few teams will already be on the short end there. Outfield is probably the easiest to fill up simply because there's a big group of Second-Tier choices that aren't too far behind the others.

Pitching's going to be the most interesting. Once the Top 20 or so are taken care of, it'll be interesting to see who gets taken. Any team without three in the Top 20 is going to be outmatched every series against any other. Relievers will also prove mind boggling. Do we put, say, Vida Blue in a long reliever role? Or do we try to chuck in someone with the peak of Paul Quantrill or whomever. And will anyone snag a reliever before Round 20?

[BlueBlood]

This just came to mind. Anyone feel that suspected or known PED users is cheating? I also think it hinders perceptions of a given team by outsiders. I pledge right now not to take anyone on the Mitchell Report or highly suspected (say, Sammy Sosa).

[The Splendid Splinter]

This just came to mind. Anyone feel that suspected or known PED users is cheating? I also think it hinders perceptions of a given team by outsiders. I pledge right now not to take anyone on the Mitchell Report or highly suspected (say, Sammy Sosa).

Eh... it's whatever now. I'm tired of it and moved on. They got the testing now and that's all I care about. You are drafting at your own risk though. If you get a guy who is suspected or known PED/HGH/roids, just know that you will take a hit with a lot of voters. Same thing with Negro League and other leagues players.

As for me, I might get a couple guys if I feel like the pick is worth it or they fall back a lot.

[BlueBlood]

Anyone up for a draft pick trade? I'll give up my 21st rounder for your 22nd and 23rd rounder. Basically, you're trading up and can get your Man #25 right after the drafting period ends.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Anyone up for a draft pick trade? I'll give up my 21st rounder for your 22nd and 23rd rounder. Basically, you're trading up and can get your Man #25 right after the drafting period ends.

Really... you should just add in your 25th round pick as well to even things out (cuz you will have 26 picks) and be done in the 24th round...

That's asking too much just to trade up one round IMO. Esp. that late in the draft where the 21st round compare to the 23rd round won't make that much of a difference with a 8 team draft. Maybe with the relievers it will, but that's about it.

For example in the last draft... 14 team draft... I gave up Mickey Cochrane/Frank Thomas/23rd-25th round for like Eddie Murray/Thurman Munson/Lefty Gomez/ and 2 earlier pick than the 23rd... that trade made me finish with my draft by the 22nd round..

[Wade8813]

You'll probably find that people don't want to trade just picks that are that so far in the future - they'll want to see how this turns out.

[BlueBlood]

I'll put out another set of choices for people (this includes the initial deal, just modify the above suggestion to include my 25th rounder)...

How about...I give up my 22nd round and 25th round for someone's 23rd and 24th rounds.

In fact, I'll do any other trade like this after the 5th round. Offer me two round picks below the one you want. Say, for example, you want my 7th rounder to snag Billy Hamilton. The pick's yours if I receive your 8th/9th rounder. The bonus pick that I give to you in order to help fill out your team is as follows:

Deal Involving Trading Picks Before 10th Round = 10th Round Draft Pick (I give you 7th round, you give me 8/9, I give you 10)

Deal Involving Trading Picks Between 10th and 15th Rounds = Draft Pick Two Below The Lowest I Receive From You (I give you 12th round, I receive 13/14th rounders, I give you 16th rounder)

Deal Involving Trading Picks Between 15th and 20th Rounds = Draft Pick One Below The Lowest I Receive From You (I give you 16th round, I receive 17/18th picks, you get 19th rounder)

Anything after Round 20 leads to the owner I deal with receiving my 25th rounder.

[Wade8813]

There's a decent chance someone will take your deal, but probably not for a while. The first few rounds, people will generally be fine with what they're getting.

[The Splendid Splinter]

It's something to think about, but like Wade said... It's a little too early right now... It's good though cuz we know someone will be willing to trade picks or even players...

[Erik Bedard]

I'm coming out right now and saying don't contact me about trades. I have my spot, and I'm going to stick with it. If other people want to, that's perfectly fine with me. I just prefer a straight-up draft where you don't have to worry "did I get screwed".

I guess I could see Mays dropping to #9, when adjusting for positional scarcity. However, I don't know if there are five CFs that I would consider top-tier guys, the way there are at 2B. That's why I took Cobb at #3. IMO, there are four definite guys, then a couple more questionable guys, who, depending on your view of them, may or may not belong in the top tier.

Oh, and while I wouldn't base my team around PED users, if it's, say, round 5 and a certain someone is available, he'll be on my team.

[Wade8813]

Since we're including NeL players, I'm going to guess that most people would feel there's at least 5 top tier CFers.

But still, that's why my first two picks have been snagging a 2nd baseman and a CFer (and arguably the best RH Hitter and best Switch Hitter in the history of MLB).

[Erik Bedard]

I followed a similar plan, only I'd take Cobb and Morgan over Mantle and Hornsby.

[Wade8813]

I'd take Cobb over Mantle, but Hornsby over Morgan by a bigger margin.

[Erik Bedard]

I agree, except on the margins. Cobb is more better than Mantle than Hornsby is better than Morgan.

[BlueBlood]

Cobb is more better than Mantle than Hornsby is better than Morgan.

Correct. I think voters of this project will certainly view Cobb as a much better asset than Mantle, and he certainly is. However, the uninitiated to the work of Bill James probably think Hornsby is better than Morgan by about the same.

[Wade8813]

Meh. Bill James is overrated.

[BlueBlood]

So is a certain outfielder from Japan. :shhh:

[Wade8813]

So is a certain outfielder from Japan. :shhh: That's why I'm not picking any outfielders from Japan. And not basing my picks off analysis made by them either...

[BlueBlood]

I count the following players remaining from the MLB that can arguably be called the greatest at their position or at least in the same league as one another if there's a Mays, Wagner or Ruth dominating that spot.

C: 5
1B: 3 (Three guys in the same relative Win Share range (two that I would draft) but there's actually plenty of other good ones that come close. This position may have a lot of room and could start filling up later rather than sooner. Gehrig was the only one head & shoulders above the rest)
2B: 3
SS: 6 (including one active player)
3B: 4 (potentially three or five depending on the onlooker)
RF: 3
LF: 2
CF: 0

I also count six starting pitchers (five that I would draft) as being in the same club as those already chosen. For the record, I'd rate every pick so far (MLB or not) as top-tier at their position.

[BlueBlood]

Randy Johnson might also be a top-tier pitcher, if not, he's really close.

I think it's interesting to look at who's been taken at each position. In most cases, the obvious candidate was taken and then nobody drafted anyone else from that position. For example, nobody here has drafted a catcher since the excellent Josh Gibson pick. Gibson has the best credentials and there's another five or so in a group of the best right behind him. I guarantee though that once someone drafts a remaining catcher, shortstop or first basemen, they'll all go like hotcakes. That's why I made the center field pick when I did because it was absolutely the last one left. Mr. Bedard was definitely on the money when he said he was unsure if there were 5 top-tier CFs. Turns out there were only five and it may have been the scarcest position.

[Wade8813]

Some of your numbers I agree with, or am close to agreeing on, but some seem way off to me. For instance, at 1B. I see eighty billion of them, and Gehrig is above, but not head and shoulders above.

Also, just an FYI, I'm pretty sure we're allowing people who played LF to play RF, and vice verse.

[Erik Bedard]

In CF, I think there are four definite top-tier guys, then a small step down to DiMaggio. With Negro Leaguers, I think Charleston belongs with that top group, but others may feel differently.

[Windy City Fan]

I was surprised Collins made it down to me, but Speaker and DiMaggio got nabbed. Usually there is a run on the top second basemen before there is a centerfielders. Still, with Morgan and Hornsby off the board, Collins is easily the top second baseman and has a case against Morgan and Hornsby for the top spot.

[Wade8813]

In CF, I think there are four definite top-tier guys, then a small step down to DiMaggio. With Negro Leaguers, I think Charleston belongs with that top group, but others may feel differently.
Yeah, I have DiMaggio down a step from the other four.

We probably shouldn't keep discussing players who haven't been picked yet, just in case someone forgot about them.

I was surprised Collins made it down to me, but Speaker and DiMaggio got nabbed. Usually there is a run on the top second basemen before there is a centerfielders. Still, with Morgan and Hornsby off the board, Collins is easily the top second baseman and has a case against Morgan and Hornsby for the top spot. In the last draft, CFers disappeared even faster than this. Second basemen disappeared, but much slower.

I'd have Collins over Morgan by a little bit, but Hornsby over Collins by a bit more.

[BlueBlood]

Some of your numbers I agree with, or am close to agreeing on, but some seem way off to me. For instance, at 1B. I see eighty billion of them, and Gehrig is above, but not head and shoulders above.

Win Shares Per 162:

Lou Gehrig: 36.61

After him, the next highest 1B has 31 Win Shares per 162...there's a few of those. That easily puts Gehrig at the top of the heap for me. You can make a cutoff at about a half-dozen for the Very Best Pool but then there's still another half-dozen that are arguably near the bottom of the first-tier in some respects or aren't too far behind. So yes, I agree that 1B has a plethora of worthy choices after Gehrig.

Through My Pick Of Rickey Henderson:

C: 5
1B: 3 (Plenty that aren't far behind)
2B: 2
SS: 5
3B: 4 (potentially three or five depending on the onlooker)
RF: 2
LF: 1
CF: 0

[BlueBlood]

For fun, here's Bill James' Rankings for the players chosen so far and when they went:

1. RF - Babe Ruth (#1 Pick)
2. SS - Honus Wagner (#4 Pick)
3. CF - Willie Mays (#9 Pick)
4. OF - Oscar Charleston (#25 Pick)
5. CF - Ty Cobb (#3 Pick)
6. CF - Mickey Mantle (#12 Pick)
7. CF - Ted Williams (#8 Pick)
8. SP - Walter Johnson (#6 Pick)
9. C - Josh Gibson (#2 Pick)
10. LF - Stan Musial (#17 Pick)
11. CF - Tris Speaker (#16 Pick)
12. RF - Hank Aaron (#22 Pick)
13. CF - Joe DiMaggio (#20 Pick)
14. 1B - Lou Gehrig (#13 Pick)
15. 2B - Joe Morgan (#14 Pick)
16. LF - Barry Bonds (#18 Pick)
17. SP - Satchel Paige (#30 Pick)
18. 2B - Eddie Collins (#23 Pick)
19. SP - Lefty Grove (#15 Pick)
20. SP - Pete Alexander (#26 Pick)
21. 3B - Mike Schmidt (#19 Pick)
22. 2B - Rogers Hornsby (#5 Pick)
23. SP - Cy Young (#10 Pick)
24. RF - Frank Robinson (#39 Pick)
25. CF - ?
26. LF - Rickey Henderson (#29 Pick)
27. SS - John "Pop" Lloyd (#47 Pick)
28. RF - Mel Ott (#41 Pick)
29. 1B - Jimmie Foxx (#32 Pick)
30. 3B - George Brett (#46 Pick)
31. 2B - Jackie Robinson (#45 Pick)
32. OF - ?
33. 3B - ?
34. SP - ?
35. LF - ?
36. SS - Alex Rodriguez (#21 Pick) - Suitable placeholder, ranking him right above another SS with slightly weaker stats but more time at the position.
37. SP - Tom Seaver (#36 Pick)
38. SS - Arky Vaughan (#42 Pick)
39. 2B - Nap Lajoie (#44 Pick)
40. C - ?
41. SP - Roger Clemens (#34 Pick) - My artificial placement. I'd take Seaver over him and James rated him above Matthewson in '03 so this seems adequate.
42. 2B - ?
43. SP - Christy Matthewson (#27 Pick)
44. 1B - ?
45. C - Johnny Bench (#35 Pick)
46. 1B - ?
47. SP - ?
48. SP - ?
49. SS - ?
50. OF - ?
51. SP - Pedro Martinez (#31 Pick) - Another artificial ranking from me, will be higher by the time he's finished.
52. SP - Randy Johnson (#24 Pick) - My artificial ranking, moving him up from 2000's rank of 49th (!) best pitcher.
53. SP - Sandy Koufax (#33 Pick)
54. SP - Smokey Joe Williams (#40 Pick)
55. C - ?
56. RF - ?
57. SS - ?
58. SP - ?
59. RF - ?
60. 2B - ?
61. 1B - ?
62. 2B - ?
63.
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67.
68.
69.
70. C - ?
71.
72.
73.
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75.
76.
77.
78.
79.
80.
81. SP - Steve Carlton (#38 Pick)
82.
83.
84.
85.
86. SP - Mordecai Brown (#28 Pick)
87.
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Sadaharu Oh and Masaichi Kaneda surely deserve to be in this territory but James did not rank Japanese players.

In the 2003 paperback edition, James moved Greg Maddux up to right below Christy Matthewson in the pitchers rankings. Matthewson at that point ranked #42 after being surpassed by Roger Clemens. Randy Johnson was at #13 of pitchers while Pedro Martinez was #29 in the 2000 edition and would surely be in the Top 15 at least by now.

The 2003 paperback also had A-Rod moving ahead of Ernie Banks (#77) and behind Robin Yount (#55). Given the monster seasons he's had since, I'd say Top 40 at least and Top 25 if we're looking at peak value of those with long careers.

Rube Waddell (#37 Pick) was listed as the 53rd greatest pitcher.

Starters Drafted So Far:

Catchers: 2 of 8
First Base: 2 of 8
Second Base: 5 of 8
Shortstop: 4 of 8
Third Base: 2 of 8
Outfield: 15 of 24

Starting Pitchers: 16 of 40

[Wade8813]

Yeah. I think Bill James has done some good work, but some of his rankings make no sense to me. Hornsby should be way higher (and I'd say that even if someone else had Hornsby on their team). And the only way A-Rod should have been behind Yount was if James was rating A-Rod as if he wouldn't play another game. It was really unlikely that A-Rod would suddenly get a career ending injury, so I don't see why he should have been behind Yount (although if James has a disclaimer about all current players like that, it's understandable, even if I disagree).

[BlueBlood]

Yep, James was ranking them based on the lowest place they could possibly end up at for their position. Otherwise, the A-Rod rank would've been totally bogus.

I agree at Hornsby being lower than expected. More of a product of where he ranked on the second base list. If anything his overall rank is fine as long as we put Morgan and Collins behind him.

[Wade8813]

Oh, okay. It makes his rankings of current players kinda meaningless, since they're almost all going to change drastically. You can't even use them to compare modern players to each other, unless they started at about the same time.

I agree that Morgan and Collins should be behind Hornsby, but I also think some of those other players at other positions don't deserve to be above him. The main thing I see Musial or Aaron having over Hornsby is longevity. Hornsby was a better hitter, and played a more important position. And his longevity wasn't that bad. DiMaggio played a more important position, but was a significantly worse hitter, and had far less longevity as well.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Is Charleston/Mays/Ott the best defensive OF in our league or no?

I had like 3 other guys that I was looking at as well but nobody picked so it made it hard for me...

Hopefully they'll come back to me...

[BlueBlood]

In retrospect, I would've let Seaver go and drafted a pitcher this round (there's still four others I deem close)...I knew the second after I typed in his name that Ott and Robinson would both flee in all likelihood. When you have two of the best remaining position players at the same slot, well, I should've used common sense.

Luckily, there's a good chance I can at least take the next player I have my eye on. :shhh:

[The Splendid Splinter]

We didn't talk about the dead period so how should we go about this?

I just started to think about it but I'm not sure on what to do. The reason is for me since I work in construction and I don't usually get off til like 6 to 8 PM... so I usually go to work for more than the 8 hours window. I got off a little early today and it's 4 and I would've barely made the time limit.

That is if we used the same dead period and time limit as last time... I'm open to ideas on this.

I thought of picking ASAP with no limit and if you are gonna be gone for say... at least all day/night (24 hours or more), then you should send a long list (for example, EB sent me a list of about 40 players and explains how to go about the list and drafting). Like I will be gone this Friday because it's my 24th birthday til sometime Sunday (because of a summer grad party on Sat.) so I will send a list of players to someone. Since it's only 8 teams, we'll still get done earlier the last 2 drafts and everyone is on here almost every single day.

[Windy City Fan]

I'd prefer no dead period just to keep things moving. Or if we do institute a dead time rule, have be that your clock can't expire from X pm to X am, but the time does count against you so your clock could expire as soon as the clock goes live.

For example, say we establish 11 pm to 7 am US Central Time as the dead zone. Someone comes on the clock at 9:30 pm and doesn't make a pick. On a strict 8 hour clock, you'd expire at 5:30 am, but here you'd be extended to 7 am. If you check in right before you go to bed and right when you get up, you shouldn't miss a pick.

Though, as I said, I prefer no dead zone to keep things moving. If you're gonna be away and think you might miss your window, send a list to some folks.

[Wade8813]

I think we should have a dead period, even if it's shorter. People do sleep.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'd prefer no dead period just to keep things moving. Or if we do institute a dead time rule, have be that your clock can't expire from X pm to X am, but the time does count against you so your clock could expire as soon as the clock goes live.

For example, say we establish 11 pm to 7 am US Central Time as the dead zone. Someone comes on the clock at 9:30 pm and doesn't make a pick. On a strict 8 hour clock, you'd expire at 5:30 am, but here you'd be extended to 7 am. If you check in right before you go to bed and right when you get up, you shouldn't miss a pick.

Though, as I said, I prefer no dead zone to keep things moving. If you're gonna be away and think you might miss your window, send a list to some folks.

But what happens if that guy did make a pick at 9:30?? When does the next guy have to pick by? 7 AM since his 8 hours is within the dead period? If it is, that's really not fair to that person.

[BlueBlood]

People need to send in lists. It's not that hard to do. If you really need a second baseman and they're running out, then write the following:

1. 2B X (or if he's taken) 2BY (or if he's taken)...
2. 3B X (or if he's taken)....
3. P...
4. C....

I would assume most of us are working towards filling out the Big 15 (9 position players, DH and SP) first of all, so it would not be that hard to rank the remaining 8 or 9 positions that you need and the players you want at each.

[The Splendid Splinter]

People need to send in lists. It's not that hard to do. If you really need a second baseman and they're running out, then write the following:

1. 2B X (or if he's taken) 2BY (or if he's taken)...
2. 3B X (or if he's taken)....
3. P...
4. C....

I would assume most of us are working towards filling out the Big 15 (9 position players, DH and SP) first of all, so it would not be that hard to rank the remaining 8 or 9 positions that you need and the players you want at each.

Yeah I'm working on mine since I'll be gone most of this weekend. I'm sure everyone got their list, but most of us will be on here a lot so it won't matter as much, but also it's hard to give someone your list since you know who they want next and make you pick someone cuz you knew that person will get him if you didn't pick and hope he would last another round. That's what hard about sending list.

[Windy City Fan]

But what happens if that guy did make a pick at 9:30?? When does the next guy have to pick by? 7 AM since his 8 hours is within the dead period? If it is, that's really not fair to that person.

That person then has from 9:31 to 7 AM to make a pick. Again, its not hard if you just remember to check in before you go to bed and when you get up. We've used the "can't expire during the dead time, but the clock keeps running" method before and there were no complaints.