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NJMetfan4life
06-12-2008, 07:29 PM
All we need to do is trade 2 people. Here's who they are and how it will help.

1.) Billy Wagner

-Lose negitive press
-Ditch a once-great closer
-He'll bother someone else
-We can get some good prospects

2.) Mousis Alou

Don't get me wrong. I like ALou. He keeps the Mets in the game. But this helps.

-He becomes DH, he'll be able to play longer with less chance of injury
-lose injury magnet
-1st round draft picks
-He's happier, We're happier
-good prospect

They aren't perfect ideas, but you guys should post yours. I think mine are decent for now. I welcome questions, comments, and ideas. By the way, does anybody know how Eddie Kunz is doing?

GodOfTheDiamond
06-12-2008, 08:01 PM
Billy Wagner is one of the best closers in the game of baseball, probably second best to none other than Trevor Hoffman in the game currently. Who do you plan on getting to replace Wagner? In the perfect world you'd trade Wagner for Hoffman and everything would be okay, but the world doesn't run as perfect as that. There isn't anyone that you would be able to acquire to replace Wagner, and you know that. He's one of the best in the game, and as Muhamad Ali once said "Even the greatest got to suffer sometimes".

Now, for trading Alou, I can't really argue with that one. If he wasn't hurt so much he could be the leader of this team in a lineup that needs one if you ask me. He's old enough to be some of your players' fathers, and that could either be a good thing or a bad thing if you ask me. He's been there and done that when it comes to the playoffs, but I think you could acquire a solid reliever for him.

To tell you the truth, there isn't a whole lot that you guys really need other than leadership. Someone needs to step up and take over the role of leader on this team, as Randolph has yet to do it in terms of the managerial role. If you guys plan on firing Randolph, who do you get to replace him? Buck Showwalter?

I think your team is fine, other than lacking leadership. You could use a reliever or two here or there, and certainly some prospects, but other than that your fine. Would you change anything on Detroit's team? Probably not. I look at these Mets and would call them the National League's Detroit Tigers. A good team, but just a slumping one.

NYMets523
06-12-2008, 08:16 PM
Release Alou, El Duque, and Delgado. Make the former two coaches in the DR camps.
Fire Willie before the end of this homestand.


To tell you the truth, there isn't a whole lot that you guys really need other than leadership. Someone needs to step up and take over the role of leader on this team, as Randolph has yet to do it in terms of the managerial role. If you guys plan on firing Randolph, who do you get to replace him? Buck Showwalter?
No player is stepping up to be the leader, so the manager has to do that. Frankly, I don't care who they replace Willie with anymore. He's a horrible manager, he makes terrible pitching moves, and the worst thing is he let the complacency develop and fester last year. It has bleed into this year and is contributing to this team's failure. I'd like to see Jim Fregosi take over this team. My top choice is Bobby V but he's in Japan and not likely to come to the rescue mid-season.

BTW, Detroit has god awful pitching and clubhouses cancers who need to be eradicated.

freshprince85
06-12-2008, 11:39 PM
My ideas on this:
- Simply RELEASE Delgado to make others know that they can be released, too.
- Trade Alou, doesn't matter what you get.
- Trade Heilman OR make him a starter. If he fails as a starter (as I expect) release him.
- Chavez, Anderson, Tatis, Easley ... all those guys doesn't deserve a place at the 25-man roster. They're all a waste of bench places. Trade them, send them down, release them. i would rather have a 18yr old kid on the bench who can at least play better defense and be a better base runner then our current bench.
- Make a puplic statement that Randolph and MAYBE Omar will loose their job by the end of July if things doesn't get better.

Westlake
06-12-2008, 11:44 PM
What does 1st rd draft picks have to do with trading Alou?

Mex4Prez
06-13-2008, 02:35 AM
My ideas on this:
- Simply RELEASE Delgado to make others know that they can be released, too.
- Trade Alou, doesn't matter what you get.
- Trade Heilman OR make him a starter. If he fails as a starter (as I expect) release him.
- Chavez, Anderson, Tatis, Easley ... all those guys doesn't deserve a place at the 25-man roster. They're all a waste of bench places. Trade them, send them down, release them. i would rather have a 18yr old kid on the bench who can at least play better defense and be a better base runner then our current bench.
- Make a puplic statement that Randolph and MAYBE Omar will loose their job by the end of July if things doesn't get better.

- Delgado over last 39 games(143 ab) has hit .280/.350 /.497. Sure he had a terrible 1st month but he did last year too and after a bad April he put up a respectable .274/.348/.489. He is traditionally a slow starter as his career average is 21 points higher in second half. Is he the player he was 5 years ago? No, but he is not bad enough where you can let him go when you have absolutely no one else to play 1B. And if you do think he is that bad, check out David Wrights numbers in his last 39 games .270/.348/.465. He has been even worse then Delgado.

-Right now nobody is going to want Alou. But if he gets back and plays, we all know he will hit. So if we are out of playoff hunt then I would trade him too before he gets hurt again. We won't get much, but he is going to retire after season anyway so may as well get something.

-I agree that we should trade Heilman. But maybe after the season is over is a better time to get more value. I think we all can agree that he isn't as bad as he has pitched this year. So hopefully he can put together a strong second half like he has the past few seasons. Also in offseason we could sell him as either a starter or reliever. To try to make him a starter in season doesn't make much sense. If he does start and is bad, then he will have no value at all.

- I'd like to see the 18 year kid that can run the bases and play defense better then Endy Chavez. The problem with the bench is that they have been counted on to be everyday/platoon guys. They aren't those type of players. The inability of Alou/Pagan/Church to stay on the field has created gaping holes to an outfield depth chart that wasn't deep to begin with. Marlon Anderson, Tatis, and Easley have no business playing the outfield....ever. Chavez plays it to a gold glove caliber and has great intangibles but he can't hit. If he could he'd be an everyday guy, now we are seeing why he is not. But Endy, Marlon, Easley, and I guess Tatis too are useful bench players....not starters. You can't expect these guys to be something they are not. Oh and by the way we already saw a 22 year old guy out there and he went 4 for 22 with 9 k's.

-I'm not sure if that is necessary. The Wilpons could come out and make some strong message that suggests that. But to come right out and say it is unprecedented. If my boss ever told me infront of both my peers and customers to do a better job by next month or I'm fired, then I would walk out. They have to make it look like they have confidence in them and if they don't, they should just fire them. There isn't a point in making a bigger circus out of it then it already is. People know Willie and maybe Omar too are on hot seat.

NJMetfan4life
06-13-2008, 01:59 PM
What does 1st rd draft picks have to do with trading Alou?

I think hes a type A or B player.

NYMets523
06-13-2008, 02:25 PM
If you trade Alou, you don't get draft picks. You get the players you acquire in the trade. If Alou walks at the end of the year and signs with a new team before a certain date, then you get draft picks.

NJMetfan4life
06-13-2008, 03:34 PM
If you trade Alou, you don't get draft picks. You get the players you acquire in the trade. If Alou walks at the end of the year and signs with a new team before a certain date, then you get draft picks.

You just explained what 5 other people couldn't in under 5 sentances.

Westlake
06-13-2008, 03:57 PM
You just explained what 5 other people couldn't in under 5 sentances.

What are you talking about? He explained what I wanted you to explain, and basically explained to you why you were wrong.

whoisonit
06-13-2008, 04:00 PM
What are you talking about? He explained what I wanted you to explain, and basically explained to you why you were wrong.

He can't count either.

Joltin Joe Giradio
06-14-2008, 05:34 PM
You know Wagner will blow up come playoff time, IF there is playoff time, but if you trade him away, who's the closer?

Who are you gonna trade Alou to? Nobody in their right mind would want him.

NJMetfan4life
06-16-2008, 01:12 PM
We also need to hire Buddy Harrellson. He was on both of the World Series teams.

whoisonit
06-16-2008, 01:19 PM
We also need to hire Buddy Harrellson. He was on both of the World Series teams.

Actually, uh ... :ughh :disbelief: . . . never mind. (wow. what's the use ?)

NJMetfan4life
06-17-2008, 12:12 PM
Actually, uh ... :ughh :disbelief: . . . never mind. (wow. what's the use ?)

What's the use of firing a 1st base coach? Almost anyone can do it.

milladrive
06-17-2008, 12:47 PM
What's the use of firing a 1st base coach? Almost anyone can do it.

That's not necessarily true. Look back at only last season and perhaps give that statement some more thought?

TonyStarks
06-17-2008, 02:50 PM
I don't know if firing Omar is the right choice...but it's clear to see how poorly thought out his plan for the organization was.

How did Omar not see Delgado, Alou, El Duque, Pedro were all going to break down and or lose significant time to injury?

-Delgado was a fast fading star when Omar brought him over.
-Alou was a man who when healthy he was a viable option, but the problem was that -Alou can't stay healthy for more than 2 days.
-El Duque is El Duque, has gotten the injury bug since he left the Bronx.
-Pedro is Pedro. I love the guy's fire and passion. But the guy is always a hang nail away from a 30 day DL stint.

Then Omar sells off everything and anything fromt he farm that wasn't nailed down. He pillaged it. I still have no clue how Smith handed over Johan to this franchise for scraps. (Well...all the other bidders went home so no one else was around.)

The Wilpons need to goto Omar and ask him what his plan is for this team for the next 3 years. And "Winning it all" isn't a plan. Every team goes into the season with that plan.

Now, for the franchise. David Wright. He has to be the man on this team. The Mets have to push him onto the stage and make sure he takes this team by the collar and let them know this is his team! He needs to step up and become that leader that he needs to be.

Jose Reyes. It's time he grew up and focus on the big picture and the ultimate prize. The Mets need to bring in a mentor for Reyes and my suggestion is for Omar to see what Tony Fernandez is doing these days. Tony's won championships, he's been on good teams, he's been an All-Star and he's been grounded by his faith. (Not that I care for that, but he could help Reyes become a better player/man). Make Tony a Base coach or infield coach. He could do for Reyes what Larry Bowa did for Robinson Cano last season.


That's where the Mets should start.

NJMetfan4life
06-19-2008, 11:16 AM
That's not necessarily true. Look back at only last season and perhaps give that statement some more thought?

Rickey Henderson was working with Reyes. If he had done only his job, the slump and collapse might have been prevented.