Why hasn't anyone mentioned the HR thing

[tigers527]

We've seen lots of Umps screw up HR calls in the last few days...opinion?

Mine, I blame the architect of any of those given stadium. I just watched the Best Damn Sports Show's best baseball plays ever, and you know, in the old days (1995 and earlier) THE WALL WAS A WALL if the ball went over it was unlikely at best the ball would come back into play. MLB should make all stadiums from here on out have a 4' buffer between a wall and any structure behind it. or something like that?

The foul pole?????? maybe call it the fair pole?

[Old Sweater]

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[SHOELESSJOE3]

The foul pole?????? maybe call it the fair pole?

In recent years more are calling it the fair pole. The pole or screen that some use is completley in fair territory. It's just a matter of choice.

We could say the same about the foul line, it is completely in fair territory...........the fair line, I think foul pole and foul line are here to stay.

[digglahhh]

The foul pole?????? maybe call it the fair pole?

I don't know why one is perceived as being more correct than the other. The line is the demarcation of fair and foul territory.

"Foul line" is a compound noun.

[rockin500]

The foul pole?????? maybe call it the fair pole?

The foul line/pole is a correct term for it since on the other side of it, you are no longer in fair territory. Go past that line and you are in foul territory.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I don't know why one is perceived as being more correct than the other. The line is the demarcation of fair and foul territory.

"Foul line" is a compound noun.

Agreed I really don't see any reason to change. Others can make their own choice.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

The foul line/pole is a correct term for it since on the other side of it, you are no longer in fair territory. Go past that line and you are in foul territory.

Off the top, I'm with you on that. My earlier post #3, I was only pointing out that the whole of it is in fair territory, I call it the foul pole.

[ipitch]

The foul line/pole is a correct term for it since on the other side of it, you are no longer in fair territory.

I might try using that logic the next time I lose a coin flip. I'll call "heads", and if it comes up tails, I'll say "on the other side of that coin it's heads. So, I win."

No matter how you slice it, "fair line" makes more sense than "foul line", since the line is 100% in fair territory.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I might try using that logic the next time I lose a coin flip. I'll call "heads", and if it comes up tails, I'll say "on the other side of that coin it's heads. So, I win."

No matter how you slice it, "fair line" makes more sense than "foul line", since the line is 100% in fair territory.

I really think we've got something going here.

[digglahhh]

I might try using that logic the next time I lose a coin flip. I'll call "heads", and if it comes up tails, I'll say "on the other side of that coin it's heads. So, I win."

No matter how you slice it, "fair line" makes more sense than "foul line", since the line is 100% in fair territory.

Nice try.

But the analogy would be whether you'd be willing to concede that you lost if the coin miraculously lands on it's edge. The foul line would be the vertical side of the coin in your analogy.

It's like a border on a map - it's neither one or the other. The line simply separates fair from foul territory, the fact that it is in play is irrelevant.

Again, it's not foul line, as in a line that is foul. It's foul line.

It's where one thing ends and the other begins, which is ending and which is beginning depends on which direction you are coming from. In fact, if you consider that the judgment would most logically be made from the perspective of the fielders, who are on the field, in play, foul line is actually the better choice.

Oh, and according to quantum mechanics, the ball never even really touches the line anyway, right? :D

[ipitch]

Nice try.

It's like a border on a map - it's neither one or the other. The line simply separates fair from foul territory, the fact that it is in play is irrelevant.

Again, it's not foul line, as in a line that is foul. It's foul line.

It's where one thing ends and the other begins, which is ending and which is beginning depends on which direction you are coming from. In fact, if you consider that the judgment would most logically be made from the perspective of the fielders, who are on the field, in play, foul line is actually the better choice.



I think it's fine that it's called the foul line, but I don't know how anyone can say that it makes MORE sense it to call it that. Let's say that a wall is on property X, right up against the border of property Y. To be clear, it is 100% on property X. Would it make more sense to call it property X's wall, or property Y's wall?

[digglahhh]

I think it's fine that it's called the foul line, but I don't know how anyone can say that it makes MORE sense it to call it that. Let's say that a wall is on property X, right up against the border of property Y. To be clear, it is 100% on property X. Would it make more sense to call it property X's wall, or property Y's wall?

But that goes back to the compound noun thing. Foul isn't an adjective modifying the word noun, foul line is the term.

It refers to what it does, not where it is.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

But that goes back to the compound noun thing. Foul isn't an adjective modifying the word noun, foul line is the term.

It refers to what it does, not where it is.

At this time, I'm seeing it the same, it's there for a purpose even though it is in fair territory.

[STLCards2]

Nice try.

But the analogy would be whether you'd be willing to concede that you lost if the coin miraculously lands on it's edge. The foul line would be the vertical side of the coin in your analogy.

It's like a border on a map - it's neither one or the other. The line simply separates fair from foul territory, the fact that it is in play is irrelevant.

Again, it's not foul line, as in a line that is foul. It's foul line.

It's where one thing ends and the other begins, which is ending and which is beginning depends on which direction you are coming from. In fact, if you consider that the judgment would most logically be made from the perspective of the fielders, who are on the field, in play, foul line is actually the better choice.

Oh, and according to quantum mechanics, the ball never even really touches the line anyway, right? :D


Maybe they should call it the "foul line segment"!:D

[Hazy]

Neither makes more sense. "Fair line" doesn't mean "a line which is fair". Either term simply refers to "the line beyond which territory is fair/foul".

If you're just calling it "fair line" because it's in fair territory, why not go all the way? Fair center field, fair first base, fair pitcher's mound, etc... :laugh

[digglahhh]

Neither makes more sense. "Fair line" doesn't mean "a line which is fair". Either term simply refers to "the line beyond which territory is fair/foul".

If you're just calling it "fair line" because it's in fair territory, why not go all the way? Fair center field, fair first base, fair pitcher's mound, etc... :laugh

Further, the non-modified form is usually taken to be the given, a modifier usually signifies the "other."

The foul line signifies territory that is foul, as opposed to the territory we are primarily concerned with, that which is fair.

"Fair line" has the same problem as "corn on the cob" - R.I.P. Mitch (all together) Hedberg.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Neither makes more sense. "Fair line" doesn't mean "a line which is fair". Either term simply refers to "the line beyond which territory is fair/foul".

If you're just calling it "fair line" because it's in fair territory, why not go all the way? Fair center field, fair first base, fair pitcher's mound, etc... :laugh

I think it's more simple then what were all debating about, is it fair pole,foul pole...........fair line or foul line.

It's got to be the foul pole. Originally so it could be determined, depending on which side the ball passes. At one time there was no pole at all and it was difficult to determine on balls hit into the grandstand or over walls or fences, was it fair or was it foul. So they put up a pole and the most obvious choice of words would be a foul pole.

[ipitch]

It refers to what it does, not where it is.

But, there's more than one way to describe what it does.

Here's what the American Heritage Dictionary says it is and does...

foul line
"Either of two straight lines extending from the rear of home plate to the outer edge of the playing field and indicating the area in which a fair ball can be hit."

They used the term "fair ball", and not "foul ball".

[SHOELESSJOE3]

But, there's more than one way to describe what it does.

Here's what the American Heritage Dictionary says it is and does...

foul line
"Either of two straight lines extending from the rear of home plate to the outer edge of the playing field and indicating the area in which a fair ball can be hit."

They used the term "fair ball", and not "foul ball".

I get your point what it does can be described to make your case just as others use what it does to counter your point. But they themselves are calling it a foul line.
In the body of rule 2.00 They call them foul line and foul pole. They also point out that both are in fair territory which we all agree on.

Now you could be correct, they may have improperly named it right from the start and it just stuck. But from what I see a case could be made for either term used, it's not clear cut either way.