If you had to start a Franchise........ [Archive]

Wade8813

05-26-2008, 12:31 PM

They're not ideal choices, but Webb or Pujols would be really good. Most of the people you listed are really old by baseball standards. You don't start a franchise around someone who's going to retire in the next few years.

nerfan

05-26-2008, 01:02 PM

I'd say for a pitcher, Tim Lincecum and for a hitter, either David Wright or Hanley Ramirez.

Colorado Express

05-26-2008, 08:27 PM

If I had to choose from the list, it would be Pujols.

OleMissCub

05-26-2008, 08:41 PM

Pujols because he is still "young" enough.

Why is Dan Uggla on this list over someone like David Wright or Hanley Ramirez?

NYMets523

05-26-2008, 09:22 PM

How are Ichiro, Dice-K, and Chipper on this list? Ichrio is past his prime, Jones is 38 and constantly injured, and Dice-K isn't a franchise player.

OleMissCub

05-26-2008, 09:26 PM

How are Ichiro, Dice-K, and Chipper on this list? Ichrio is past his prime, Jones is 38 and constantly injured, and Dice-K isn't a franchise player.

Look who created the poll...

skyking162

05-28-2008, 10:34 AM

This doesn't have to be someone in their early 20s, but guys in their 30s can't be expected to hang on for 5-6 more years. You want someone who's already established, but won't be on the aging downslope until the end of the run. I'd also prefer not to go with a position low in the defensive spectrum or a pitcher, if possible. Here's a non-scientific list:

David Wright
Grady Sizemore (only 25 still)
Jose Reyes (and I'm giving him zero credit for the "excitement" factor)

Other fun options:
BJ Upton
Justin Upton
Alex Gordon
Jay Bruce

Captain Cold Nose

05-28-2008, 10:39 AM

How about just voting on the options presented? Everyone has the capability of starting their own poll but you don't have to do it in someone else's . We see so many (too many) best of polls, there's nothing wrong with other spins to that premise.

Wade8813

05-28-2008, 09:07 PM

Exactly. The question was "Which of the following..." not "Out of all of MLB...".

And you could say something like "Out of the options given, I'd pick X, but if everyone was available, I'd pick Y"

NickU

05-28-2008, 10:47 PM

Outta the options listed, I gotta take Pujols... But, if I had my pick of anyone you gotta go with Hanley Ramirez, right?

abolishthedh

05-29-2008, 10:55 AM

How are Ichiro, Dice-K, and Chipper on this list? Ichrio is past his prime, Jones is 38 and constantly injured, and Dice-K isn't a franchise player.

Well, here's the case for Ichiro, even if he's hitting more like a mortal.

Today's baseball is way too heavily focused on homeruns. Ichiro is not only a throwback to when an alternate strategy was in place, but he's still capable of approximating his peak with a strong second half. I wish I had a running list of teams and franchises which turned things around, even if temporarily, through an emphasis on the running game. Just because having a strong leadoff hitter isn't in vogue right now doesn't mean the role is irrelevant. A strong running game which emphasizes baserunning fundamentals must start with a good leadoff hitter, and Ichiro has proven himself to be among the alltime leadoff hitters.:atthepc

braves_fan1025

05-29-2008, 11:01 AM

I voted for chipper.Of course,look at my username.Hes Hitting like .416 398 homeruns.I dont think he is past his prime but he gets injured every other day, hes one of the best player in the whole NL.So thats who I voted for.Thats also who im gonna vote for in the All star Game.I dont see why everybody likes A-Rod.

digglahhh

05-29-2008, 12:44 PM

Well, here's the case for Ichiro, even if he's hitting more like a mortal.

The best argument for Ichiro is actually from a business standpoint - no other player opens the market to undertapped revenue streams and media exposure the way Ichiro does.

Of course, the fact that he is an extremely talented player doesn't hurt.

keystone

05-30-2008, 12:16 AM

Here I am a Cards' fan choosing Berkman over Pujols. ??? I must be influenced by the year he's having, and I'm a sucker for that switch-hitting thing. I confess that I just don't like Albert. I'd rather have Lance in the locker room.

Still, it's impossible to argue against Pujols. He is an awesome hitter.

I didn't see any pitchers I would have chosen to start a franchise with. Left to my own devices, I guess I'd go with Lincecum as the younger starters and Halladay as the vet.

Imgran

05-30-2008, 05:34 AM

None of them. For best effect you start a franchise with an experienced and talented veteran catcher in his prime, one who can hold his own offensively while providing leadership and stability to the defense. GUys like Mauer, Martin, or even the rookie Soto.

Lafferty Daniel

05-30-2008, 03:00 PM

Justin Upton

KCGHOST

05-30-2008, 03:15 PM

Of this group, I'll take Pujols.

NYMets523

05-30-2008, 03:49 PM

Well, here's the case for Ichiro, even if he's hitting more like a mortal.

Today's baseball is way too heavily focused on homeruns. Ichiro is not only a throwback to when an alternate strategy was in place, but he's still capable of approximating his peak with a strong second half. I wish I had a running list of teams and franchises which turned things around, even if temporarily, through an emphasis on the running game. Just because having a strong leadoff hitter isn't in vogue right now doesn't mean the role is irrelevant. A strong running game which emphasizes baserunning fundamentals must start with a good leadoff hitter, and Ichiro has proven himself to be among the alltime leadoff hitters.:atthepc
Ichiro is a great player but his best years are behind him (he still has very good years left in him). At this point in his career, I wouldn't build a franchise around him.

NickU

05-30-2008, 05:49 PM

Here I am a Cards' fan choosing Berkman over Pujols. ??? I must be influenced by the year he's having, and I'm a sucker for that switch-hitting thing. I confess that I just don't like Albert. I'd rather have Lance in the locker room.

I won't argue against your pick of Berkman over Pujols, because right now, going off the 2008 season, I'd lose. That said, as a Cardinals fan, how can you not like Pujols? Furthermore, as a baseball fan, how can you not like Pujols?

Silver Blaze

05-30-2008, 08:50 PM

Dan Uggla, only I spell his name H-A-N-L-E-Y R-A-M-I-R-E-Z.

keystone

05-31-2008, 12:04 AM

:rofl: Can't argue with that choice!

Afterglow

05-31-2008, 06:53 AM

I think I would have to choose Pujols. The guy is just amazing.

Tho I think the better question would be which one would would you take if they were a rookie. Cause you would want to have a chance at having all of there career.

digglahhh

05-31-2008, 10:50 AM

As long as we are considering guys who are at mid-career age, Chase Utley deserves to at least be mentioned, even if not actually advocated.

keystone

05-31-2008, 05:54 PM

Right now, I'd say Ellsbury. A good lead-off guy is hard to find.

Knick9

06-01-2008, 08:04 AM

I chose Brandon Webb. It's simple, you need quality pitching. It doesn't matter if you have A-Rod and Pujols on your team, if your entire starting rotation is very poor, you will run into trouble. That is why I would base my franchise off 2 Aces, with Webb being one of them.

uberpsycho

06-01-2008, 10:40 AM

Of the list I'd take Pujols narrowly over A-Rod because I think Pujols is slightly more versatile than A-Rod, though you decidedly can't go wrong with either.

In general however, I'd start a team with Chase Utley. Probably more out of my being enamored with him as a player (even though I'm a Mets fan) more than anything else.
He just oozes vigor, and professional hitting ability.

Lafferty Daniel

06-01-2008, 12:02 PM

We need a new list. No offense, but it's like he just looked at the stat leaders from this year and didn't use age, upside, and track record. Cliff Lee?

Here's what the list should be....feel free to add others. I tend to favor the young hitters over pitchers.

Justin Upton
Hanley Ramirez
David Wright
Albert Pujols
Jose Reyes
Prince Fielder
Ryan Braun
Jay Bruce
Johan Santana
Brandon Webb
Tim Lincecum
Scott Kazmir
B.J. Upton
Ian Kinsler
Grady Sizemore
Brian McCann
Russell Martin
Jacoby Ellsbury
Chris B. Young
Carlos Quentin

skyking162

06-01-2008, 12:18 PM

As long as we are considering guys who are at mid-career age, Chase Utley deserves to at least be mentioned, even if not actually advocated.

If I'm picking a guy for my team for the next 2-3 years, Utley's in my top five, and perhaps number one. Great, underrated hitter, and phenomenal fielder.

19isback

06-01-2008, 12:44 PM

Pitcher- Josh Beckett
Hitter- Albert Pujols

Imgran

06-01-2008, 03:08 PM

Pitcher: James Shields
Hitter: Geovany Soto

Brannu

06-02-2008, 11:00 PM

Pitcher: Tim Lincecum
Position Player: Hanley Ramirez

C.C. Sabathia (minus his 9 run games this season he has been pretty awesome and won Cy Young Award last year) and B.J. Upton.

Actually ... no ... Albert Pujols.

Lafferty Daniel

06-03-2008, 10:03 AM

Pitcher: James ShieldsHitter: Geovany Soto

hahahaha, that's funny.

baseball junkie

06-03-2008, 11:33 AM

Lafferty Daniel

06-03-2008, 11:48 AM

I'm a tad confused by this poll. Does it mean if I had to start a franchise today which player would I take in the sense that I would get that player for the remainder of their career? Or does it mean I would get that whole player's career from scratch?

If the latter, A-Rod. If the former, none of them. I'd take Jay Bruce.

It should be players that you'd like on your team for the remainder of their careers. That's why I didn't put many old players on my list.