What's so wrong about not liking Jeter?

[tigers527]

This subject seems to illicit such a fevered response I thought I would give it its own thread. Some folks act as though you kicked their dog and insulted the virtue of their mother at the mere mention of someone not liking Jeter. No other athlete seems to get such polarizing reactions from fans.

In another thread someone compared Jeter to Barry Larkin, which given their respective sample size seems like a fair comparison as it stands right now. Their numbers of AB, H, HR, RBI, R, are about the same. Barry struck out less and drew more walks, Derek's AVG and OBP is higher and both won 3 gold gloves. Granted, it took Barry 5 more years to compile his career stats, and Jeter should more than surpass Larkin in career numbers. As it stands right now though, I do not see the 2 as that different.

That said, I am not a big fan of Jeter. I do not like having to be told OVER AND OVER again by the media that I must tip my cap to a given player cause he is so great. In fact I usually root against teams/players the media christens as the greatest/best ever. History should be the judge of which teams/players were the best ever. The media at the events should leave such hyperbole to the side and report on the happenings of the event. That said I respect Jeter but I do not like him.

It should also be noted (as I stated in a similar thread) I also do not like Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, and Brett Favre.

[Old Sweater]

Nothing.

What is wrong with liking him?

[NYMets523]

I don't like him either. Most overhyped player of all time.

[Honus Wagner Rules]

I never understood the "I hate Derek Jeter" folks. Is his over hyped? Perhaps. But is that Jeter's fault? It's not like he goes to the media and tells them to hype him up on TV, Internet, radio, and newspapers. Jeter is in the midst of a HoF career, will most like get over 3,000 hits and 2,000 runs. His defense is poor but he's still a great player.

[Seattle1]

He just got an R.B.I. double against my Mariners! :rant:

[Mattingly]

Basically, my thinking is that you don't have to be a big fan of Derek Jeter. I'm a fan of him, but not every single thing that he does would I necessarily like.

Is he overhyped? I'm unsure which media outlets you folks listen to. ESPN is often anti-Yankee, and that's one of the biggest out there. Sports Illustrated?

Everyone's got a reason, such as my dislike for Pedro Martinez and David Ortiz.

[Old Sweater]

Basically, my thinking is that you don't have to be a big fan of Derek Jeter. I'm a fan of him, but not every single thing that he does would I necessarily like.

Is he overhyped? I'm unsure which media outlets you folks listen to. ESPN is often anti-Yankee, and that's one of the biggest out there. Sports Illustrated?

Everyone's got a reason, such as my dislike for Pedro Martinez and David Ortiz.

Pedro I can see but why Ortiz Mattingly???

[blacksilverfan12]

He is partially overhyped. A HOF-worthy player? Yes. But, as Mattingly said, many members of the media have particular biases. For example, ESPN hates the Yankees, loves the Red Sox, they love the Lakers and UCLA (going to basketball for a second), the only west coast teams in existence to them (in any sport)

So, is Jeter the best shortstop of all time? No. Is he one of the best? Yes. However, I'd take Wagner, Banks, and maybe even Ripken before Jeter

[NYMets523]

Is he overhyped? I'm unsure which media outlets you folks listen to. ESPN is often anti-Yankee, and that's one of the biggest out there. Sports Illustrated?

For me, it's more individuals than networks in general.

[Macker]

What I wonder is WHY would anyone dislike Jeter? I dislike hearing from fans who would have me believe he's the best shortstop in baseball, but that's not Jeter's doing. Personally, I don't like the looks of him, because he always seems to have a daffy look on his face, but as far as I know, he's always been a class act, both as a player and a person.

He doesn't create the hype about him, so why dislike him for it?

[Mattingly]

Pedro I can see but why Ortiz Mattingly???
He kills us. Nice guy, class act, but he kills us. Manny does also, but I'll have to excuse him because of his goofiness.

Even though it's not his fault, that overhyped HR Derby thing to tell Big Papi where to hit the ball. This is at *YANKEE STADIUM*. In 1999, they had RS legend Ted Williams out there at Fenway. That was very appropriate. Why is a Red Sox player being hyped in the press to be told by some fan where to hit a ball at Yankee Stadium?

No, I don't want A-Rod or any other Yankee in the HR Derby, but couldn't they have done something different?

I like Ortiz in many ways, he controlled Manny in that fight where Pedro and Zim got into it, but ... I just am not too thrilled with him right now. It'll be a passing phase, but right now, I'm not too cool about him. That's it.

[Mattingly]

For me, it's more individuals than networks in general.
Well, you're in the same state as myself. What is there about Jeter that you dislike? Any particular reason, or you "just plain old don't like him?"

Is it anything he's done personally, or is it mostly the media hype?

I think we're going to have to open our personal debate forum here, since we keep running into one another here. :D

[Seattle1]

What I wonder is WHY would anyone dislike Jeter?

Because he's a namby-pamby and a mama's boy and a metrosexual.


:twocents:

[Mattingly]

He is partially overhyped. A HOF-worthy player? Yes. But, as Mattingly said, many members of the media have particular biases. For example, ESPN hates the Yankees, loves the Red Sox, they love the Lakers and UCLA (going to basketball for a second), the only west coast teams in existence to them (in any sport)

So, is Jeter the best shortstop of all time? No. Is he one of the best? Yes. However, I'd take Wagner, Banks, and maybe even Ripken before Jeter
I think that the problem with the media is that they need someone or something to latch onto to create news. They must've created a poll that asked which would create more media hype? I love the Yankees or I *HATE* (or at least can't stand) the Yankees. Seems like the latter has gotten more votes.

Seems contrary to the strong dislike of Jeter, since he's the name and face of the team. Logic would dictate that he'd thereby receive the most negativity, instead of hype.

He's gotten not so subtle hints that he's not big news anymore, and I think it was either ESPN Mag or SI that on their cover had the Mets' Jose Reyes and the statement that he was the best SS in NYC. If that's not laced thick with a message, I don't know what is.

So the media builds him up to be their posterboy for good playing, being a nice guy, and he's able to attract fans. then they tear him down. I guess I can't blame folks for having strong feelings about him, and I also wouldn't blame anyone if the thoughts weren't semi-neutral. As in you either very much like him or very much dislike him. Are there any "I don't really care either way" on this topic?

I guess that the casual fan needs someone like Jeter to keep them focused on the game, since it's like Pujols is the current face of the Cards. I say not to worry about all the hype, since there are many players and 30 teams, so there are 749 active (and often productive) MLB players not named Derek Jeter. :)

[Mattingly]

Because he's a namby-pamby and a mama's boy and a metrosexual.

:twocents:
I think it's best not to get into players' personal lives. I've said the same in the Mets forum when someone mentioned this about Piazza, and I'll say so here.

Namby-pamby = wishy washy, like Charlie Brown? I wouldn't hold that against him.

His parents are often seen at Yankee home games, and I never thought that was a bad thing. Everyone has grown up different, but if one's parents are still living, I think having a good thing with them is nice, but that's just me. :)

I can't stop people from disliking them, which is their right.

[Seattle1]

I don't even know if I really believe those things about him, but it did come to the top of my mind when the question was posed. Macker was wondering so I tried to think of something.

[tigers527]

It is not entirely true that Jeter is completely innocent in his media saturation, after all he could turn down a national advertising campaign now and again? I know there are MILLIONS of reasons for him to say yes. He does seem to get about as much commercial face time as Mr. Eldrick Woods, ok maybe not that much but still.

Off the top of my head in the last 5 years Jeter has been in the following National advertising campaigns

1. A couple different American Express commercials, most notably the meeting with George about parties.

2. A sweating Gatoraide commercial where Jeter presumably hits a walk off HR against Todd Jones while classical music is playing.

3. One of the MLB licensed video games had the shift from real world to video game where the inner dialogue of Jeter breaks down the pitch he will see (not sure who the pitcher was).

4. Mens cologne with Avon.

5. XM satellite radio where a Jeter and Ortiz bobble head tell you to get the MLB package.

6. That commercial where the baseball field follows Jeter around through the city of NY. I am not even sure what they are advertising, beer?

That is all I can recall off the top of my head. Thinking about it I can only come up with one other player that has had more than ONE national ad campaign in the last five years. Ortiz, has the above mentioned XM commercial, that Direct TV commercial where he and the Chronicles of Narnia lion tell the dude to buy Direct TV, and a subway commercial with Jared.

Not counting MLB run commercials.

Yeah, I know I watch too much TV.

[OleMissCub]

ESPN is often anti-Yankee

What??

I'd crap a brick if BBTN spent more than 30 seconds on a team other than the Red Sox or Yankees.

[blacksilverfan12]

I'd crap a brick if BBTN spent more than 30 seconds on a team other than the Red Sox or Yankees.

True, but they love the Red Sox

[NYMets523]

They love both teams. They especialyl love Jeter. One of the hosts calls the "spin-and-throw" as 'Jeterian'. Yes he's good but he's not good enough that he deserves his own adjective like Ruth.

[HammeRDrop]

Dont like Gretzky? ugh :silent:

[YankeeDJW]

They love both teams. They especialyl love Jeter. One of the hosts calls the "spin-and-throw" as 'Jeterian'. Yes he's good but he's not good enough that he deserves his own adjective like Ruth.

I've heard multiple people label it that, as well as his inside-out "Jeterian swing." I don't think it's something that he'll be known for down the road, but he has proven to be one of the more adept in both plays, so it gets noticed now.

[Mattingly]

It is not entirely true that Jeter is completely innocent in his media saturation, after all he could turn down a national advertising campaign now and again? I know there are MILLIONS of reasons for him to say yes. He does seem to get about as much commercial face time as Mr. Eldrick Woods, ok maybe not that much but still.

Off the top of my head in the last 5 years Jeter has been in the following National advertising campaigns

1. A couple different American Express commercials, most notably the meeting with George about parties.

2. A sweating Gatoraide commercial where Jeter presumably hits a walk off HR against Todd Jones while classical music is playing.

3. One of the MLB licensed video games had the shift from real world to video game where the inner dialogue of Jeter breaks down the pitch he will see (not sure who the pitcher was).

4. Mens cologne with Avon.

5. XM satellite radio where a Jeter and Ortiz bobble head tell you to get the MLB package.

6. That commercial where the baseball field follows Jeter around through the city of NY. I am not even sure what they are advertising, beer?

That is all I can recall off the top of my head. Thinking about it I can only come up with one other player that has had more than ONE national ad campaign in the last five years. Ortiz, has the above mentioned XM commercial, that Direct TV commercial where he and the Chronicles of Narnia lion tell the dude to buy Direct TV, and a subway commercial with Jared.

Not counting MLB run commercials.

Yeah, I know I watch too much TV.
He also sells Nike sneakers. Don't blame us, since Michael Jordan himself liked the guy and how his media savviness worked.

He's also the only MLB player I've known who's done Saturday Night Live, and this must've been 2002 or so, since Knoblauch, Cone and Wells were there, all in drag. :D

If you ever go into Manhattan often from NJ, you'll likely see a few print ads of his, such as fancy watches (of the Rolex and Omega variety), which are similar to what you'd see the above-named Tiger Woods selling.

Air Jordan himself rarely turned down ads, such as Nike, Hanes, Ballpark Franks and quite a few others.

Is it that you feel that a baseball player shouldn't be garnering that much attention? Some may feel that baseball is a more conservative sport than basketball or football. Would Derek Jeter's ad campaigns (TV, print) be more OK had he played those sports instead of baseball?

[Mattingly]

I've heard multiple people label it that, as well as his inside-out "Jeterian swing." I don't think it's something that he'll be known for down the road, but he has proven to be one of the more adept in both plays, so it gets noticed now.
I guess he's the most popular person to do the jump-throw play to 1B, but the word "Jeterian", as far as I know, originated from our own John Sterling, he of the homerific radio announcement ilk. He refers to his batting, not his glove, as a "Jeterian swing". I guess that others have picked up on this.

[ipitch]

He's also the only MLB player I've known who's done Saturday Night Live, and this must've been 2002 or so, since Knoblauch, Cone and Wells were there, all in drag. :D

Bob Uecker and Deion Sanders also hosted.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I guess he's the most popular person to do the jump-throw play to 1B, but the word "Jeterian", as far as I know, originated from our own John Sterling, he of the homerific radio announcement ilk. He refers to his batting, not his glove, as a "Jeterian swing". I guess that others have picked up on this.


Thats just another of Sterling's. Anyone remember these names for Tino and Giambi, Tino the Bambino...........or......... The Giambino.

I don't see a problem with some who not only dislike Jeter and actually make him out to be less than he is...a very good ballplayer.

The problem is with some of their logic. Some speak ill of him because they claim he is overrated and some Yankee fans think him to be better than he is.

Think of that logic, their reason for diminishing him. Because he is overrated and Yankee fans make him out to be the greatest.

So some are going to lower him, lower him more than he should be so that counters the praise of others. Screwy logic to me, I'll underrate Jeter to make up for, to negate his being overrated, does that make sense.

[tigers527]

He also sells Nike sneakers. Don't blame us, since Michael Jordan himself liked the guy and how his media savviness worked.

Air Jordan himself rarely turned down ads, such as Nike, Hanes, Ballpark Franks and quite a few others.

Is it that you feel that a baseball player shouldn't be garnering that much attention? Some may feel that baseball is a more conservative sport than basketball or football. Would Derek Jeter's ad campaigns (TV, print) be more OK had he played those sports instead of baseball?
I have already mentioned that I don't care for Jordan. It is for many of the same reasons I don't like Jeter for. Not to mention that Jordan never gave any lick of credit to the Pistons of the late 80's early 90's* and in fact slighted them every chance he got during that time.

In fairness, the Yankees I do like include Hideki Matsui, Jorge Posada, and Bernie Williams from recent times. Quite a few from days of yore, note the reference to a Yogi quote in my user title.

*It was also during this time that my distaste for Gretzky developed, as his Oilers knocked the Wings out in back to back years in the then Cambell Conference Finals, one step from the Stanley Cup Finals. Yeah most of the athletes I dislike are a huge part homerism, and a smattering of not liking being told who I should think is AWESOME.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Ever notice that of all the Yanks Jeter is the one that always gets some booing as he walks in to the batters box in road games, listen. I will say in the last couple of years it's diminished some, not as much booing. Probably because there is less to hate about the Yanks who haven't won a World Series since 2000. In the late 1990s and early 2000s the booing was quite evident.

What I think. Some of the booing has nothing to do with Jeter being overrated or God like to some Yankee fans. The reason is, he may not be the best on the team but it seems like he represents the Yanks, he's the face of the Yanks, he's the guy we boo.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I have already mentioned that I don't care for Jordan. It is for many of the same reasons I don't like Jeter for. Not to mention that Jordan never gave any lick of credit to the Pistons of the late 80's early 90's* and in fact slighted them every chance he got during that time.



Off the subject a bit, always like Jordan but changed me some years ago. When asked to visit some third world poor countries to view the horrible conditions people of those countries worked under making his sneakers for pennies in pay that added to his millions, he was too busy, had other commitments.
Not sure what the intent was but the bottom line he didn't care to go didn't want to see the situation. Hard to believe over a period of years he could not spare a few days, impossible to believe.

[White Knight]

Because he's a namby-pamby and a mama's boy and a metrosexual.


:twocents:

Perhaps, but with the ammont of girls he gets, I'm sure he's not complaining. :) Thiis is NY, girls here like the metros.

[White Knight]

This subject seems to illicit such a fevered response I thought I would give it its own thread. Some folks act as though you kicked their dog and insulted the virtue of their mother at the mere mention of someone not liking Jeter. No other athlete seems to get such polarizing reactions from fans.

In another thread someone compared Jeter to Barry Larkin, which given their respective sample size seems like a fair comparison as it stands right now. Their numbers of AB, H, HR, RBI, R, are about the same. Barry struck out less and drew more walks, Derek's AVG and OBP is higher and both won 3 gold gloves. Granted, it took Barry 5 more years to compile his career stats, and Jeter should more than surpass Larkin in career numbers. As it stands right now though, I do not see the 2 as that different.

That said, I am not a big fan of Jeter. I do not like having to be told OVER AND OVER again by the media that I must tip my cap to a given player cause he is so great. In fact I usually root against teams/players the media christens as the greatest/best ever. History should be the judge of which teams/players were the best ever. The media at the events should leave such hyperbole to the side and report on the happenings of the event. That said I respect Jeter but I do not like him.

It should also be noted (as I stated in a similar thread) I also do not like Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, and Brett Favre.


There's no reason to dislike Jeter personally. I can understand (though disagree) if you say he's overrated, and his defense is sub-par, but that shouldn't make you dislike him. He is a true uber-proud Yankee, and wants to finish his carreer here, and dreams of making the All-Star team this year just because it is at Yankee Stadiud (he said so at last year's game, saying he's rather play next year).

When all is said and done, Jeter will be easily in the top 5 SS' of all-time, likely with 3,500-3,800 hits. HOFer for certain.

[bailiff]

There are plenty of reasons not to like Jeter. The main reason why I don't like him is the same reason why I don't like Posada, Giambi, Mussina, Damon, Cano and a handful of other players. (See the theme)

I dislike Jeter with a passion. Is he overrated? Probably....but darn near every decent Yankee is overrated. The evil empire has a tendincy to overrate their players.

I accept that jeter is a future HOF'er, I accept that he is a darn good captain, but it doesn't mean that I have to like him.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

There are plenty of reasons not to like Jeter. The main reason why I don't like him is the same reason why I don't like Posada, Giambi, Mussina, Damon, Cano and a handful of other players. (See the theme)

I dislike Jeter with a passion. Is he overrated? Probably....but darn near every decent Yankee is overrated. The evil empire has a tendincy to overrate their players.

I accept that jeter is a future HOF'er, I accept that he is a darn good captain, but it doesn't mean that I have to like him.

Who decides where earned praise ends and overrating begins, where is the line and how can anyone prove where that is, how far past the line did they go. Why should anyone believe that some think AROD, Posada or other Yanks are overrated, so much. Because they get lots of press, they are from major media city, does lots of press mean they are overrated. At least you do say " probably" and I agree, but some make it out to be hugh.

Did you ever look at if from a different angle. That being from the big city and having won so much in the past, that it could work against you.That because of that it could often appear that the player is not that good, it's because of where he plays, the history.

I don't see the city of NY or the NY press claiming Jeter is the greatest, Posada the number one catcher, very good. You know, don't judge by what "some" Yankee fans say. "Some" will go overboard for their own, it's not that unusual in any city. Tell many a Giant fan what you think of Bonds and steroids,.... he's not the only one.... the press is out to get him, thats what you hear.

There probably is some overrating but some who just can't stand those pinstripes make it out to more than what it is.

[ipitch]

100 Reasons to Hate Derek Jeter.
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com/jeter.html
I didn't write this (but I think I could have).

These are my personal favorites....

1. The Fist-Pump - Jeter's trademark celebration for a home run, key single, stolen base, finding a nice parking spot...

3. His range - and lack of it - By almost any measure, Derek Jeter is a below average defensive shortstop. He consistently ranks near the bottom of the league in most defensive categories. The debate about Jeter's defense isn't about good or bad, it's whether he's merely below average or the worst in the league.

4. The fact that many (Yankees fans) think he has great range - Jeter is a very good player, so there is a tendency for his supporters to think he is good at everything. He's not. If the stats don't convince you, just watch him. Ground balls up the middle go for base hits at an alarming rate - hence the joke: "What do you call a slow roller to Derek Jeter's left?" "Single up the middle!"

5. The Jump-Throw - Exhibit A in case of the illusion of Derek Jeter's fantastic defense. Here, he ranges to his right, backhands the ball, leaps into the air and fires the ball to first. Hey it looks nice, never mind the fact that if he just planted and threw, he'd still nab the runner by 20 feet.

6. Jeter the Base Coach - He's not the only major leaguer to wave his fellow baserunners around as he crosses the plate, but he's the only one who does it like a windmill in need of Ritalin.

12. He's really quite overrated - Yes, Jeter does a large number of things well on a baseball field. But to justify the adulation he receives, he needs to add about 20 homers a year, 30 walks and a Nobel Peace Prize.

19. Not even the best shortstop on his own team

24. "Mr. Clutch" - well, not really. Jeter's career numbers are .314/.386/.461. His postseason numbers are .307/.379/.463, which is about what you'd expect. Yes, he was MVP of the 2000 World Series, and has batted .400 or better in 7 post season series. He's also batted under .250 in 7 post season series.

29. "The Play" - The infamous Oakland flip-throw in game 3 of the 2001 ALDS. A nice play, but A) I'm curious to see what would've happened if he hadn't cut off the throw, since it looked like it might have been on line anyway, and B) it wouldn't have mattered if Giambi had SLID!!! Probably didn't want to break the family vial of testosterone in his back pocket.

30. Comparing "The Play" - to Willie Mays' robbery of Vic Wertz in the '54 Series, or any other famous post season play. Such comparisons overlook one important thing: the Mays ball didn't have the option of SLIDING!!! Freakin' Giambi...

32. Top step dugout Cheerleading - Whenever a Yankee gets a hit, or - God forbid - a home run, cameras will inevitably catch Jeter leaping onto the field like a dugout Whack-a-mole - pumping his fist, naturally.

33. "Talk to the hand" - Cocky little gesture he gives the plate umpire prior to every pitch of every at-bat to signal time. Can't wait for someone to quick pitch him when he does this. First, an umpire will have to remind him that you don't call time in baseball, you ask for it.

34. Gum chewing - Hey Derek, it's gum, not cud - close your mouth once in a while.

35. Jeffrey Maier - Part of Jeter's clutch status is owed to a 12-year-old little leaguer with bad hands. Without Maier, Jeter's first big clutch hit - in game 1 of the 1996 ALCS, would be a long fly out. Umps didn't make the interference call and the legend was born.

43. "Catalyst" - Say Jeter leads off an inning with a routine grounder and reaches on an error. Two batters later, Gary Sheffield belts a 3-run homer. The announcers will invariably trace the rally to Jeter's inherent "clutchness."

44. Face-plant catch - Jeter's snag of a foul pop up in extra innings vs. Boston. Nice play, but he took about three full steps before leaping into the stands. Dude, pull the chute! This play did clinch the 2004 Gold Glove for him, but Juan Uribe made a better catch in the '05 World Series, and he managed to save his face, too.

52. Tim Kurkjian Man-Crush - The ESPN writer named Jeter "The Face of Baseball" in part citing the following: "Jeter has a nice face, a rugged face, a handsome face." That's some fine baseball journalism there, Tim.

57. Jeter on-base reaction cam - Fox has taken to showing slow-motion replays of Jeter on base after a team mate's home run, which he celebrates with a fist-pump, naturally.

59. "Mr. November" - He did hit the first home run in the history of November baseball in 2001, but he also hit .148 overall in the Series - not exactly Reggie-like.

60. Mr. Yankee? Not so much - Has been the best player on his team exactly once in 11 full seasons - 1999, when he led the club with a .990 OPS.

63. 2006 Gold Glove - Bobby Crosby and Miguel Tejada better start throwing themselves into the stands with reckless abandon.

67. Home cooked scoring - Jeter would have to hoof the ball off ARod's noggin' and toss it into the 3rd deck before getting an error from the Yankee scorekeeper.

68. Fox Sports director's instructions - The shot list during a typical Fox playoff broadcast:

Batter
Pitcher
Jeter
Batter
Jeter close-up
Manager
Pitcher
Star of brand-new-soon-to-be-cancelled-Fox series
Jeter
Batter
Billy Crystal
Jeter
Jeter
Note: does not necessarily have to be a Yankees playoff game.

69. Never been the best player at his position - for even a single season. This would seem to be a prerequisite if you're going to be a legend.

70. Pyrite Glove, part 1 - Among AL shortstops who qualified, Jeter ranked dead last in Range Factor (putouts + assists divided by innings) in 2001, 2002 AND 2003.

71. Pyrite Glove, part 2 - Among AL shortstops who qualified, Jeter ranked dead last in Zone Rating in 2001, 2002 and 2003.

72. Pyrite Glove, part 3 -Jeter's range factor and zone rating have improved over the last two seasons. It's almost like he has a gold glove shortstop playing next to him...

74. "Strike three? Surely you jest" - The look of disbelief he gives umpires EVERY TIME he's rung up on strikes, a mixture of "that almost hit me" and "don't you know who I am?"

75. Name rhymes with "cheater."

76. That almost hit me! - His exaggerated little dive out of the way whenever a pitch comes remotely close to him.

77. Jeter the Guru - Here's a quote from Jeter's 2004 Playboy interview: "has a knack for elevating the play of his teammates." What exactly are they basing this on? ARod came to the Yankees and immediately had his worst season. Randy Johnson declined in his first season in pinstripes. Pavano, Weaver, Rondell White. Not that Jeter's to blame, but where are the guys who improved dramatically because of him? And what exactly did he do?

78. Premature Ejeterlation - this is when a broadcaster, oh let's say Tim McCarver, forecasts a Yankee rally before Jeter even steps to the plate.

80. Tim McCarver Man-crush - There are a few dozen quotes that could be cited here, but I think I'll go with "Jeter has the calmest pair of eyes under pressure." Where's Deion Sanders with that bucket of water?

84. "Past a diving Jeter!" - Your defensive rep suffers less when you dive for everything that's going to roll past you. Slowly.

86. Intangibles - Jeter fans and most announcers will tell you that it's his intangibles that separate Jeter from everyone else. Of course, you can't measure intangibles - that's why they're intangibles - and so you can credit Jeter with anything without being able to prove or disprove it. Fall of Communism? Jeter. Human Genome Project? also Jeter. iPod? That's right...

90. "Knows how to win" - perhaps the single most oft-cited and utterly ridiculous of Jeter's mystical abilities. Apparently the secret formula is a 200-HR offense, mercenary Cy Young winner de jour and the best closer in the history of baseball.

91. Bat toss - the way Jeter discards his bat as though it contains anthrax whenever he draws a walk.

92. John Kruk Man-crush - In his 2004 article "Jeter is the Ultimate Winner," Kruk wrote that he would take Jeter over Rodriguez. He repeated these thoughts later on radio: ""Right now, Derek Jeter is the best player in the game today. Hands down. I would take him over Alex Rodriguez any day." In terms of accuracy and lucidity, this quote ranks just behind "Brownie, you're doin' a heckuva job!"

99. Irony, thy name is Nike - The Derek Jeter Nike shoe is called the 6-4-3, despite the fact that Jeter is consistently below average in double plays. Coming soon, the Shaquille O'Neal Free Throw 5000...

100. Jeter the Leader - Hannibal, Churchill, Washington - rank amateurs compared to the Yankee captain. No player gets more credit for his leadership. Not that leadership is non-existent, but where's the love for Bernie Williams, who's been a Yankee just as long and hit just as well in the post season? And where was Jeter's leadership in 2001? Or when the Yankees collapsed against Boston? Incidentally, the Yankees haven't won the Series since Jeter was named captain.

[bailiff]

Very enjoyable read. Love it.

[NYMets523]

In the NY/NJ area, we have the unfortunate pleasure of watching a Ford commercial in which a dozen people say "Jeter? He's got an edge". Then he ends it saying he got it with Ford's latest car. Call me crazy, but I don't think Jeter is driving a Ford.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Very enjoyable read. Love it.

So he's not the best fielding SS. He's not even the best player on his team. That is just not acceptable

First of all this is coming out of Toronto where they just adore any Yankee but thats not a problem.

Second looking over the list it looks like Jeter is guilty of some things that others are.

Obviuosly I can't cover every point there, I might not live that long.
But a small number.

Chewing gum, who does he think he is, there are young kids watching.

Making money off of his image, what a money grabbing creep.

Number 38 on the Forbes wealthiest, well I just don't care for that. Me OK.

Played so many post season games, now that is a disgrace.

Played in more World Series then some that are greater than him, now that really makes me angry, he could have sat out a few.


All those double plays he hit into. He is 19th on that list and guess what there is only one hitter from 1995-2007 that has more at bats than Jeter's 7429, Biggio with 7529. Are you aware of the fact that in baseball the total number does not tell the whole story.

His fault that Jeremy Giambi did not slide, was there to make the play or was he not.

Try again to blame him for the Angles beating the Yanks post season, slow grounders getting by him........WOW, how do you prove that. He was 8 for 16 batted .500, scored 6 runs.

Hosted Saturday Night Live, I pray that his perents go to bed early

Just a small number of counters on that silly list.

[bailiff]

The more you defend him, the more I dislike him. he-he:dance

[SHOELESSJOE3]

In the NY/NJ area, we have the unfortunate pleasure of watching a Ford commercial in which a dozen people say "Jeter? He's got an edge". Then he ends it saying he got it with Ford's latest car. Call me crazy, but I don't think Jeter is driving a Ford.

Why that phony. At least when another celebrity does a car commercial or shampoo or pain killer we "know" they do drive that car and use that product.

Why can't Jeter be honest like them, another reason to dislike him.

You guys opened the door and I'm walking right in and it's obvious your posts are looking sillier by the minute. Feed me more.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

The more you defend him, the more I dislike him. he-he:dance

I'm not so much in defense of him, I'm just being honest.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Don't take it to serious guys and maybe girls. I did shoot from the hip with my "sillier" comment in post # 39, nothing personal.

[NYMets523]

Why that phony. At least when another celebrity does a car commercial or shampoo or pain killer we "know" they do drive that car and use that product.

Why can't Jeter be honest like them, another reason to dislike him.

You guys opened the door and I'm walking right in and it's obvious your posts are looking sillier by the minute. Feed me more.

It's still a goddamn annoying commercial and isn't making me like Jeter any more.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

It's still a goddamn annoying commercial and isn't making me like Jeter any more.

I hear ya METS and I don't blame you. I like eveyone else just don't like some celebrities and I don't care to see them. Well at least you know why you don't like him. There are some notables some famous and I don't like them and I don't know why.

[White Knight]

There are plenty of reasons not to like Jeter. The main reason why I don't like him is the same reason why I don't like Posada, Giambi, Mussina, Damon, Cano and a handful of other players. (See the theme)

I dislike Jeter with a passion. Is he overrated? Probably....but darn near every decent Yankee is overrated. The evil empire has a tendincy to overrate their players.

I accept that jeter is a future HOF'er, I accept that he is a darn good captain, but it doesn't mean that I have to like him.

So why dislike him? You can't dislike someone because he's a Yankee. Did you dislike Don Mattingly when he were playing too? Would you dislike Lou Gehrig?

[bailiff]

I have every reason to dislike (hate the evil empire). I accept the Gehrig was a great player, but since he was a Yankee, I don't care for him. Same goes for Matle, Ruth, etc.....

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I have every reason to dislike (hate the evil empire). I accept the Gehrig was a great player, but since he was a Yankee, I don't care for him. Same goes for Matle, Ruth, etc.....

Your choice but how does anyone not care for Lou Gehrig. Take away the great speech, the courage at the end, lets rule out sympathy. Even without that, the perfect gentleman, a great player and he shows up for work every day.

[hellborn]

Dont like Gretzky? ugh :silent:

Every serious hockey player I've known has hated Gretzky. They don't respect a guy who wouldn't fight, deal out hits, get back on D, etc. I loved to watch him play, myself...I was stupid enough to study for finals rather than see him score 5 goals against the Blues one night :sorry: , but I did see him drop a perfect pass off the boards onto Kurri's stick there for an easy goal and couldn't believe my eyes.

I don't "like" Jeter myself. I feel that he has gone out of his way to show contempt for his teammates since the great late '90s teams and has put personal differences over team in his conflict with ARod. He doesn't act like a team captain, to my mind. It bugs me that he has Avon products. All the training aids with his name on them seem like garbage, too. The little fist pump bothers me...I don't know, the way he does it just seems smug. He was thrown out at first late in Game 7 of the '04 ALCS, and immediately turned to point at the base and whine that Minty wasn't on the bag...he cut that short, but I thought that the quick intent to beyotch was bush.
He's a fine player, just not crazy about him. To be honest, there are times when Manny bothers me much more and I'll tell everybody I can that I can't stand the guy...but, then I love him a few months later. Pujols seems arrogant to me, I don't really "like" him either, despite his outstanding play. Ortiz has a big heart, but also likes to run his mouth about anything and everything in the game, like the much needed effort to speed the freakin games up ruining baseball. Sorry, it's the self absorbed players and managers who are making the game very tough to watch at times now. Andruw Jones and Carlos Delgado drive me crazy. I used to really dislike Griffey. That Duncan with the NYYs is a jerk. Vernon Wells makes my skin crawl, and I can't even say exactly why (except for being a classic contract run guy). Eckstein and Mussina...yuck!!!
Whom do I "like"? Granderson, Hamilton, Dave Roberts, Youk, Posada, Maddux, Derrek Lee...lots of guys, also for no real good reason other than an impression.

BTW, I thought that Jeter was hilarious on SNL. That sketch where he taught the wimpy kid who got picked on (Kattan) his #1 secret baseball play...beat the other kids with the bat when they made fun of him!! I almost died!!!!

[hellborn]

Your choice but how does anyone not care for Lou Gehrig. Take away the great speech, the courage at the end, lets rule out sympathy. Even without that, the perfect gentleman, a great player and he shows up for work every day.

Ummmmm....bad breath?!?!?!?

[Brooklyn]

100 Reasons to Hate Derek Jeter.
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com/jeter.html
I didn't write this (but I think I could have).

These are my personal favorites....


33. "Talk to the hand" - Cocky little gesture he gives the plate umpire prior to every pitch of every at-bat to signal time. Can't wait for someone to quick pitch him when he does this. First, an umpire will have to remind him that you don't call time in baseball, you ask for it.

74. "Strike three? Surely you jest" - The look of disbelief he gives umpires EVERY TIME he's rung up on strikes, a mixture of "that almost hit me" and "don't you know who I am?"

76. That almost hit me! - His exaggerated little dive out of the way whenever a pitch comes remotely close to him.



Great list, very enjoyable read. The three I pulled out above drive me the craziest. It isn't just the hand to the umpire. He also adjusts the gloves. EVERY PITCH. Almost as if he believes people are paying good money to watch him play, so he is doing them a favor by dragging it out longer. And he does seem shocked that an umpire would have the never to call out the mighty Jeter.

[digglahhh]

Because he's a namby-pamby and a mama's boy and a metrosexual.


:twocents:

Irony = a dude w/ a Ken Griffey avatar calling out another player for being prissy.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Your choice but how does anyone not care for Lou Gehrig. Take away the great speech, the courage at the end, lets rule out sympathy. Even without that, the perfect gentleman, a great player and he shows up for work every day.

Like Cal Ripken, who gets more than his share of scorn.

[bigtime39]

Great list, very enjoyable read. The three I pulled out above drive me the craziest. It isn't just the hand to the umpire. He also adjusts the gloves. EVERY PITCH. Almost as if he believes people are paying good money to watch him play, so he is doing them a favor by dragging it out longer. And he does seem shocked that an umpire would have the never to call out the mighty Jeter.

Don't overlook the way he squats down on pitches he considers "low", like he's about to pinch one off in the RH batters box...

[White Knight]

I have every reason to dislike (hate the evil empire). I accept the Gehrig was a great player, but since he was a Yankee, I don't care for him. Same goes for Matle, Ruth, etc.....

That's a childish and flat out retarded reason. I'm a huge Yankee fan but would NEVER dislike Red Sox greats like Ted Williams, because I am a true baseball fan with class, and can look past silly team rivals.

[White Knight]

Like Cal Ripken, who gets more than his share of scorn.

I think it's safe to say there are people who think Cal's over-rated, but I never knew anyone who disliked him.

[Captain Cold Nose]

I think it's safe to say there are people who think Cal's over-rated, but I never knew anyone who disliked him.

I have. I know plenty who are always saying how Ripken hurt his team because of the streak, and how selfish he was because of it. I've also had "discussions" with people who claimed Ripken wasn't that good because his single season numbers were nothing special and he stayed on the field to help his counting numbers.

Having "class" does not mean you're not allowed to dislike anybody. Although the silly team rivalries are just that. I don't think it's a good reason to dislike a player, let the player "earn" your dislike. In the case of Jeter, it seems like a lot of the limelight, etc, would amount to unneccesary posturing. He himself can't be blamed for all of that, but he does contribute.

[VIBaseball]

The smirk.

Amazed it wasn't on the Toronto guys' list.

[ipitch]

Don't overlook the way he squats down on pitches he considers "low", like he's about to pinch one off in the RH batters box...

Yep. And, if the pitch is high, he'll pull his head back. If the pitch is outside, he'll take a step towards it. If the pitch is inside, he'll put his arms up and his body will look like a backwards "C". And, finally, if the pitch is right down the middle for a called strike 3, he'll do one of the above things at random (before being called out), and then turn around and say something to the umpire.

[White Knight]

I have. I know plenty who are always saying how Ripken hurt his team because of the streak, and how selfish he was because of it. I've also had "discussions" with people who claimed Ripken wasn't that good because his single season numbers were nothing special and he stayed on the field to help his counting numbers.

Having "class" does not mean you're not allowed to dislike anybody. Although the silly team rivalries are just that. I don't think it's a good reason to dislike a player, let the player "earn" your dislike. In the case of Jeter, it seems like a lot of the limelight, etc, would amount to unneccesary posturing. He himself can't be blamed for all of that, but he does contribute.


In Cal's case, he was such a role model and good person I can't imagine anyone disliking him. I personally think he's a bit over-rated. I feel the same way about Nolan Ryan. But I like both of them. Now Barry Bonds, that's another story. I think he's one of the best players ever, but dislike him as a person.

[bailiff]

That's a childish and flat out retarded reason. I'm a huge Yankee fan but would NEVER dislike Red Sox greats like Ted Williams, because I am a true baseball fan with class, and can look past silly team rivals.

You amuse me.......I love it how you try to influence how or why I think. Who is the retarded one?

[hellborn]

That's a childish and flat out retarded reason. I'm a huge Yankee fan but would NEVER dislike Red Sox greats like Ted Williams, because I am a true baseball fan with class, and can look past silly team rivals.

I have to say that referring to somebody's reason as "retarded" is extremely childish, and is indicative of an extreme lack of class. That stuff should be left behind by fifth grade. I'll just chalk it up to an overly emotional post, but that kind of stuff makes you look bad, WK.

There was lots of squawking about Ripken off the record at the end of his career, that he really ran the team and the manager was powerless to go against him. I tend to attribute this to jealousy now, but I'm sure it was understood by all parties that Ripken was going to play unless he was seriously injured or he asked out. The fans, the Orioles front office, and, indeed, all of baseball were keyed into the streak, and it wasn't going to end on the whim of some manager who wouldn't be around in another year or two. Ripken wasn't going in and telling the manager what was what, and he's shown throughout his time in baseball that he's an fine, upright person.
There is a big difference between Ripken and Gehrig's streaks in that Lou's play was top notch through most of his streak and still very good in '38, while Ripken teetered around average or a little better for several years during his. But, you can't say Cal was actually hurting the team by being an average or better (sometimes MUCH better) player for a long time.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

There was lots of squawking about Ripken off the record at the end of his career, that he really ran the team and the manager was powerless to go against him. I tend to attribute this to jealousy now, but I'm sure it was understood by all parties that Ripken was going to play unless he was seriously injured or he asked out. The fans, the Orioles front office, and, indeed, all of baseball were keyed into the streak, and it wasn't going to end on the whim of some manager who wouldn't be around in another year or two. Ripken wasn't going in and telling the manager what was what, and he's shown throughout his time in baseball that he's an fine, upright person.
There is a big difference between Ripken and Gehrig's streaks in that Lou's play was top notch through most of his streak and still very good in '38, while Ripken teetered around average or a little better for several years during his. But, you can't say Cal was actually hurting the team by being an average or better (sometimes MUCH better) player for a long time.

I can recall that but I don't see the comparison of some posters understanding dislike of Gehrig to dislike for Cal.

Maybe some of the shots at Cal were not justified, maybe some were but the fact is it was known to many and discussed. And for that reason fair or not some dislike Cal.

Now we come to Gehrig not the same as Cal, what did Lou ever do that would cause some to dislike him, playing for the Yankees.

[White Knight]

You amuse me.......I love it how you try to influence how or why I think. Who is the retarded one?

I didn't say YOU were retarded. I said it was a retarded reason. Think about what I said before. I can understand not l;iking players with bad attitudes, but not liking Lou Gehrig is reprehensible.

[bailiff]

reprehensible? Give me a break.

[White Knight]

I have to say that referring to somebody's reason as "retarded" is extremely childish, and is indicative of an extreme lack of class. That stuff should be left behind by fifth grade. I'll just chalk it up to an overly emotional post, but that kind of stuff makes you look bad, WK.

There was lots of squawking about Ripken off the record at the end of his career, that he really ran the team and the manager was powerless to go against him. I tend to attribute this to jealousy now, but I'm sure it was understood by all parties that Ripken was going to play unless he was seriously injured or he asked out. The fans, the Orioles front office, and, indeed, all of baseball were keyed into the streak, and it wasn't going to end on the whim of some manager who wouldn't be around in another year or two. Ripken wasn't going in and telling the manager what was what, and he's shown throughout his time in baseball that he's an fine, upright person.
There is a big difference between Ripken and Gehrig's streaks in that Lou's play was top notch through most of his streak and still very good in '38, while Ripken teetered around average or a little better for several years during his. But, you can't say Cal was actually hurting the team by being an average or better (sometimes MUCH better) player for a long time.

Well, to me childish is hating a player because the play on a team you don't like. The last straw was not liking Gehrig. I think of any player in history, he's last in people who dislike him.

As for Cal, believe me, I am one of those who think he may be overrated and (maybe) his streak may have hurt the team a little. But I don't dislike him. He was a great person and good role model.

[hellborn]

I didn't say YOU were retarded. I said it was a retarded reason. Think about what I said before. I can understand not l;iking players with bad attitudes, but not liking Lou Gehrig is reprehensible.

Well, Babe Ruth grew to dislike Lou very much...apparently, because of Gehrig's mom. Supposedly, Mom Gehrig made a comment about Ruth's adopted daughter from his first marriage, Dorothy, not being dressed as well as his second wife's daughter, Julia (who was also adopted by Ruth). I think that it is now a known fact that Dorothy was Babe's natural daughter by another woman, but, anyway. The implication was the Claire, the second wife, was an "evil stepmom" and Babe wasn't making sure Dorothy was properly cared for. Ruth became very angry over this and told Lou that his mom had better shut up and mind her own business. Lou wasn't the kind of guy to punch Babe out over this, but the two were never friendly again.

The one "negative" thing that has been said about Gehrig was that he was under his mother's thumb for too long, and almost let her ruin his romance with Eleanor. Some people talk as if he was not a "real man" as a result, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being a quiet guy who didn't raise heck and was good to his mother. He looked socially comatose compared to Ruth, but was probably just really a lot more normal than the bigger than life Ruth.

[bailiff]

Black Knight---to me, childish is trying to enforce, demean, or knock down others ideas. Who are you to tell me who are what I can like? You are probably a nobody......Oh, by the way, as someone who had the wonderful privalege of hanging out in the visitors clubhouse in Arlington, TX, I can attest that Cal Ripken was a flat out jerk. He may have been a heck of a ballplayer, but he treated the clubhouse workers like crap.

On the other hand, Carl Everett, was just about the nicest guy you could have ever met.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Well, Babe Ruth grew to dislike Lou very much...apparently, because of Gehrig's mom. Supposedly, Mom Gehrig made a comment about Ruth's adopted daughter from his first marriage, Dorothy, not being dressed as well as his second wife's daughter, Julia (who was also adopted by Ruth). I think that it is now a known fact that Dorothy was Babe's natural daughter by another woman, but, anyway. The implication was the Claire, the second wife, was an "evil stepmom" and Babe wasn't making sure Dorothy was properly cared for. Ruth became very angry over this and told Lou that his mom had better shut up and mind her own business. Lou wasn't the kind of guy to punch Babe out over this, but the two were never friendly again.

The one "negative" thing that has been said about Gehrig was that he was under his mother's thumb for too long, and almost let her ruin his romance with Eleanor. Some people talk as if he was not a "real man" as a result, but I don't think there's anything wrong with being a quiet guy who didn't raise heck and was good to his mother. He looked socially comatose compared to Ruth, but was probably just really a lot more normal than the bigger than life Ruth.

You know it's really a shame that these two guys although so different got along fine until an outside force.. the women changed that.

When you look at the situation, what choice did Babe and Lou have. Babe has to take his wife's side and Lou his mom. It's not so much like they really disliked each other. I have seen similar in my own life, friends whose wifes have spat and the men get into it, take sides.

[GordonGecko]

... many members of the media have particular biases. For example, ESPN hates the Yankees, loves the Red Sox...

I think there's a general perception that ESPN is anti-yankees. If you agree you can vote here:
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78089

[sturg1dj]

What I wonder is WHY would anyone dislike Jeter? I dislike hearing from fans who would have me believe he's the best shortstop in baseball, but that's not Jeter's doing. Personally, I don't like the looks of him, because he always seems to have a daffy look on his face, but as far as I know, he's always been a class act, both as a player and a person.

He doesn't create the hype about him, so why dislike him for it?

I don't like him because hes a cocky SOB who is from west michigan yet lives this lavish New York socialite life where he hooks up with every woman in town with the same smug look on his face. Wasn't it like Jeter hooked up with 9 of the top 10 Maxim hot 100 and so many people were so impressed. All that tells me is he is a man whore who seems to have no respect for women.

[sturg1dj]

I think there's a general perception that ESPN is anti-yankees. If you agree you can vote here:
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=78089

i think they have slowly become anti-Yankees now that the believe that the Red Sox nation can butter their bread more than Yankees fans can across the nation. Remember when the Yanks were winning all of their titles that was all you heard about was how great they were.

[sturg1dj]

Like Cal Ripken, who gets more than his share of scorn.

well I think with Cal you have the idea that maybe sitting a couple of times would have helped his team out in the long-run (a rested Cal may have put up better numbers). True or not, fair or not...if Cal would have hit .340 for his career like Lou with 40 homeruns a season then people would like Cal more, but its the .250 and .260 seasons with 20-22 home runs that bug some people.

[bigtime39]

well I think with Cal you have the idea that maybe sitting a couple of times would have helped his team out in the long-run (a rested Cal may have put up better numbers). True or not, fair or not...if Cal would have hit .340 for his career like Lou with 40 homeruns a season then people would like Cal more, but its the .250 and .260 seasons with 20-22 home runs that bug some people.

It's not like the Orioles had a better shortstop wasting away on the bench because Ripken was out there every day, whereas the Yankee$ have perhaps the best shortstop in the history of the game playing 3B so that Derek Christ can play his preferred (note I did not say his best) position.

[sturg1dj]

It's not like the Orioles had a better shortstop wasting away on the bench because Ripken was out there every day, whereas the Yankee$ have perhaps the best shortstop in the history of the game playing 3B so that Derek Christ can play his preferred (note I did not say his best) position.

well, I agree there wasn't a better option, but my point was that maybe Cal could have produced more over a long season if he was able to recharge the battery once and awhile.

Eddie Murray put up better numbers and was never on the DL with the Orioles, maybe the days off helped.....maybe not...can't really prove it, but its just a thought

[White Knight]

Black Knight---to me, childish is trying to enforce, demean, or knock down others ideas. Who are you to tell me who are what I can like? You are probably a nobody......Oh, by the way, as someone who had the wonderful privalege of hanging out in the visitors clubhouse in Arlington, TX, I can attest that Cal Ripken was a flat out jerk. He may have been a heck of a ballplayer, but he treated the clubhouse workers like crap.

On the other hand, Carl Everett, was just about the nicest guy you could have ever met.

A nobody is in the eye of the beholder. I'm not famous, but I'm happy and well off. Could use more money, but everyone can use more, unless you're a billionaire.

You can (and should) dislike Cal if he was the "jerk" you say he is. I can even uderstand not liking Jeter, for some reasons listed above. Hell, you can even not like Babe Ruth and I'd see your point, as his heavy drinking and womanizing didn't make him a good role model. It's just the not liking Lou Gehrig that makes you look like an asshat, when the only reason you give was because he was a Yankee. I was like that as a kid, but grew up. Hell, I have a friend who's nearly 30 and wouldn't hook up wiith the hottest girl if she was a met fan. Too each their own I guess.

[White Knight]

I don't like him because hes a cocky SOB who is from west michigan yet lives this lavish New York socialite life where he hooks up with every woman in town with the same smug look on his face. Wasn't it like Jeter hooked up with 9 of the top 10 Maxim hot 100 and so many people were so impressed. All that tells me is he is a man whore who seems to have no respect for women.

Sounds like jealousy to me. :D

[Blackout]

jeter = the man

surg1dj seems jealous of Jeter but he'd do the same if he was good enough to be an athlete in baseball (let alone the shortstop of the Yankees)

[sturg1dj]

Sounds like jealousy to me. :D

or not...but whatever



A-Rod started out the same way and look where the two have gone...sure A-Rod has his indiscretions but he is now settled down (at least a ton more than Jeter is)


there seems to be the idea that Jeter is somewhat ageless, but hes like 34 years old maybe its time to find something more important in your life

[White Knight]

or not...but whatever



A-Rod started out the same way and look where the two have gone...sure A-Rod has his indiscretions but he is now settled down (at least a ton more than Jeter is)


there seems to be the idea that Jeter is somewhat ageless, but hes like 34 years old maybe its time to find something more important in your life


A-Rod is proven to have cheated on his wife. I respect Jeter more because at least he has the sense to stay single and have his fun. Much better than someone who gets married and cheats.

Also, it's tough for guys like us to comment. Jeter can walk in a bar and get swamped by dozens if not 100's of hot women. No normal guy, no matter how good looking, can do that without putting any efford into it. how would you react to that, if you're not married?

[bigtime39]

Today I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE Derek Christ!
Top of the 11th, bases loaded. Miss Pay-Rod hits a smash to Brian Roberts, who throws home for out #1. Guillermo Quiroz then whips the ball to Melvin Mora, who has an easy play on Derek Christ...who didn't bother to slide! :applaud:

[digglahhh]

or not...but whatever

A-Rod started out the same way and look where the two have gone...sure A-Rod has his indiscretions but he is now settled down (at least a ton more than Jeter is)

there seems to be the idea that Jeter is somewhat ageless, but hes like 34 years old maybe its time to find something more important in your life

C'mon, dude. What do you really know about the private lives of ballplayers? So, DJ hits up some club with some famous, and attractive lady. So, he's a bachelor and has dated or been linked to numerous overhyped flavors of the month. Big deal. You only know this because he's in the spotlight (and so are they). You're holding him to a standard that you don't hold others to. Yeah, while Jeter is carousing at Buddakan, we can only presume Brandon Inge is at home reading Andrea Dvorkin... How do we know who respects women, and who doesn't, who is faithful and who isn't? I don't think it's fair to make those types of character judgments from our vantage point.

Also, what does it mean that he lives the lavish NY socialite life. He makes $20M a year and plays in New York, what do you want him to do? I mean, do most professional athletes eat Ramen noodles five nights a week and drive their parents' Volvo station wagon?

If you don't line "womanizers" or "ballers," hey whatever, I'm not so crazy about them either. But these are not qualities uniquely attributed to Derek Jeter. In fact, they almost certainly can describe many, many athletes who you ardently support.

[Captain Cold Nose]

If you don't line "womanizers" or "ballers," hey whatever, I'm not so crazy about them either. But these are not qualities uniquely attributed to Derek Jeter. In fact, they almost certainly can describe many, many athletes who you ardently support.

That's likely true, but Jeter is often treated by his supporters as if he were the only one. I've seen women flock around a buddy of mine (thanks for nothing, Rob) because he was in a baseball uniform (co-ed company league) and they thought he might play for the Dayton Dragons. (I told them he was Ty Howington.)

When this accolade, which isn't that unique in professional sports, is constantly brought up, some are going to be turned off regardless of whether it's jealousy or not. The accusations of jealousy certainly don't help. No, Jeter isn't at fault for that, but he is made a target because of it.

[Reds41]

I don't like him either. Most overhyped player of all time.

But I dis-like him less than A-Rod.

It should also be noted (as I stated in a similar thread) I also do not like Wayne Gretzky, Michael Jordan, and Brett Favre. I don't like Farve, Tiger Woods and Manny Ramirez either.
Gretzky and Jordon...old and in the way.

100 Reasons to Hate Derek Jeter.
http://www.torontobaseballguys.com/jeter.html

1. The Fist-Pump - Jeter's trademark celebration for a home run, key single, stolen base, finding a nice parking spot...
For much the same reason that I despise Tiger Woods.

12. He's really quite overrated - Yes, Jeter does a large number of things well on a baseball field. But to justify the adulation he receives, he needs to add about 20 homers a year, 30 walks and a Nobel Peace Prize.
Naah, if they will give a Nobel Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, Jimmy Carter and Al Gore, it doesn't mean much anymore.

100. Jeter the Leader - Incidentally, the Yankees haven't won the Series since Jeter was named captain.
Much like the Reds weren't very effective after Perez left for Montreal.
Leadership is key to winning championships.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

C'mon, dude. What do you really know about the private lives of ballplayers? So, DJ hits up some club with some famous, and attractive lady. So, he's a bachelor and has dated or been linked to numerous overhyped flavors of the month. Big deal. You only know this because he's in the spotlight (and so are they). You're holding him to a standard that you don't hold others to. Yeah, while Jeter is carousing at Buddakan, we can only presume Brandon Inge is at home reading Andrea Dvorkin... How do we know who respects women, and who doesn't, who is faithful and who isn't? I don't think it's fair to make those types of character judgments from our vantage point.

Also, what does it mean that he lives the lavish NY socialite life. He makes $20M a year and plays in New York, what do you want him to do? I mean, do most professional athletes eat Ramen noodles five nights a week and drive their parents' Volvo station wagon?



If you don't line "womanizers" or "ballers," hey whatever, I'm not so crazy about them either. But these are not qualities uniquely attributed to Derek Jeter. In fact, they almost certainly can describe many, many athletes who you ardently support.


Your right on DIGG. Thats the other side of playing in NY and playing for the Yanks. Sure some don't like the praise Jeter gets, the press and all that stuff.

But look at the other side, playing for the Yanks and in NY. Your under that spotlight, everything he does that others do is often considered extreme, like he's the only one.

[White Knight]

That's likely true, but Jeter is often treated by his supporters as if he were the only one. I've seen women flock around a buddy of mine (thanks for nothing, Rob) because he was in a baseball uniform (co-ed company league) and they thought he might play for the Dayton Dragons. (I told them he was Ty Howington.)

When this accolade, which isn't that unique in professional sports, is constantly brought up, some are going to be turned off regardless of whether it's jealousy or not. The accusations of jealousy certainly don't help. No, Jeter isn't at fault for that, but he is made a target because of it.


This reminds me of a master plan me and my buddies had a couple of years ago. The trick is to make sure it's late, and the Yankees or Mets (I live in NY) just played a lesser known team, such as the Nationals (or whoever). So me and buddy would walk in, and like 5 guys (who are secretly our friends) would run up to us and say "Oh my God, it's ----- and ----- of the Washington Nationals! Can I get your autographs?" They would say it loud enough around girls so they would hear it, and hopefully, flock to us. I never did try it. You think it would work? :D

[digglahhh]

This reminds me of a master plan me and my buddies had a couple of years ago. The trick is to make sure it's late, and the Yankees or Mets (I live in NY) just played a lesser known team, such as the Nationals (or whoever). So me and buddy would walk in, and like 5 guys (who are secretly our friends) would run up to us and say "Oh my God, it's ----- and ----- of the Washington Nationals! Can I get your autographs?" They would say it loud enough around girls so they would hear it, and hopefully, flock to us. I never did try it. You think it would work? :D

Depends on what you look like.

Me, I can only pull it off when Sidney Ponson is in town.