Classiest Team in Baseball at it Again

[sturg1dj]

so the Yankees are losing 9-0...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand. The ball was nearly a strike. So the Yankees freak out and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.

yeah, real classy


is Giardi just a thug or something? I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess

[TheMadDog31]

so the Yankees are losing 9-0

Thanks to an error by Jeter.

...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand.

Just the name of this topic alone suggests that you were going to say something [biased]. Yeah, Jeter may have leaned in but that ball was way inside and just because he "always lunges at a pitch" doesn't mean that that ball should've hit him. Don't take shots at a guy because he was leaning in a little and ended up getting hit with a high and way inside fastball from a pitcher that is known to be wild and/or a hot head. Remember when he got suspended for what? Beaning someone. Just because the O's were up 9-0 doesn't mean pitchers can't hit people intentionally. He may or may not have done it on purpose, but don't go taking shots at Jeter for getting hit.


The ball was nearly a strike.

What were you watching? Nearly a strike? Look at how high and inside the fastball was.

http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200805202738347

Nearly a strike? Wow. If you were an umpire, I would love to pitch with you behind home plate.

So the Yankees freak out

Uhh, actually no they didn't. I didn't see anyone "freak out" except for Girardi and the trainer because one of their best players just got pegged with a fastball on his hand. Apparently your defintion of "freak out" is very much different than mine.

and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.

First of all, how do you know he was ordered to "retaliate"? I'm pretty sure that last year, Joe Torre didn't order Joba Chamberlain to retaliate by throwing the two fastballs over Youkilis' gigantic head. You don't know if Girardi ordered those pitches or not. If he did, okay it was a mistake, but there is a very large possibility that LaTroy did it to prove he could protect his buddies.

yeah, real classy

You know what else is real classy? How about Jim Leyland selling out his own team in the beginning of the season because of their putrid play.

is Giardi just a thug or something?

Yes, that's exactly what he is. In a sport filled with people like Pedro Martinez, Daniel Cabrera and Milton Bradley, Joe Girardi is a thug. And something to keep in mind...if you're going to criticize someone, at least learn to spell their name right.

I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins

He won Manager of the Year in 2006. The only reason he was fired was because the owner of the Marlins, Jeffrey Loria, became angry when Girardi told him to "shut the (expletive) up" when heckling a home plate umpire. Would you have rather put Donnie Baseball in as manager, even though he has zero experience, with the exception of filling in sometimes for Torre when he was either suspended or absent? I think Girardi is a good fit because he and the veterans were good friends in the '90s, and not to mention his MotY Award, Hell, he even caught Rivera for a while. Obviously, it would've been great to keep Torre, but it wasn't what Big Stein wanted.

....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess

Yes, well the same was though about Leyland in the offseason, but as we have noticed the Detroit Tigers are 18-27 and in last place in the AL Central, which is one of the easiest divisions in baseball.

Don't make comments like saying the manager of the Yankees is a thug, and sarcastically saying they are the classiest team in baseball.

[sturg1dj]

1. This isn't Tigers vs. Yankees.....I'll admit it the Tigers suck right now

2. The classiest team comes from earlier discussions on just how and why the Yankees are considered that way when there is much evidence that goes against it.

3. You don't think Torre told Joba to throw at him? just like with LaTroy, Joba said what he was supposed to that he didn't mean to and nobody told him to. This saves him from a longer suspension and stops the manager from being suspended

4. ok, ok...so it wasn't almost a strike, but hopefully you can admit that Jeter gets hit a lot like that since he does lunge over the plate....which is why he is so good at going opposite field


the point of this whole post is that retaliation was not necessary since much of the evidence showed that the beaning was not intentional.
1. score was 9-0
2. Jeter lunges, making it more likely for him to get beaned
3. score was 9-0

yet, an oriole got thrown at, at the head no less.

[John Shoemaker]

The Yankees will be fine as long as A-Rod stays healthy - he homered for the second night in a row after coming off the DL.

[redlegsfan21]

How do you know it was retaliation? I have seen several balls this year that nearly hit batters in the head and when I say several, I mean quite a lot. As a pitcher, you don't want that batter to crowd the plate so a pitch is going inside every once in a while and sometimes it goes a little high.

[Zito75]

Jeter is a baby- a drama queen. I thought Girardi was going to kiss his hand right there on the spot. Rub some dirt on it and carry on man!

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Jeter is a baby- a drama queen. I thought Girardi was going to kiss his hand right there on the spot. Rub some dirt on it and carry on man!


Sounds like your not really being objective. Looks like you have a problem with players that have the NY on their pinstripe uniform. Same old, story it's always bigger when the pinstripes are involved, so obvious.

[YankeeDJW]

1. This isn't Tigers vs. Yankees.....I'll admit it the Tigers suck right now

2. The classiest team comes from earlier discussions on just how and why the Yankees are considered that way when there is much evidence that goes against it.

3. You don't think Torre told Joba to throw at him? just like with LaTroy, Joba said what he was supposed to that he didn't mean to and nobody told him to. This saves him from a longer suspension and stops the manager from being suspended

4. ok, ok...so it wasn't almost a strike, but hopefully you can admit that Jeter gets hit a lot like that since he does lunge over the plate....which is why he is so good at going opposite field


the point of this whole post is that retaliation was not necessary since much of the evidence showed that the beaning was not intentional.
1. score was 9-0
2. Jeter lunges, making it more likely for him to get beaned
3. score was 9-0

yet, an oriole got thrown at, at the head no less.

1. ok

2. I think the general concensus was that no team was classier than any other. Starting up threads because you have a dislike of a particular teams is obnoxious.

3. No. Most pitchers say that to avoid a suspension anyway, and you have no proof that either manager called it from the bench. None. You just have it out for the Yanks, I guess, and lose any sense of objectivity or rationality on the issue.

4. Thank you.

5. This entire thread is ridiculous. There was already a four or five page thread on this very issue a few months ago. If you don't like the Yankees, fine; most people don't. Just don't make your posts so biased and cynical.

Jeter is a baby- a drama queen.

:laugh

[Stumanji]

Look, I really dislike Jeter. I think he's way overcelebrated by the media and Yankees fans. I think he gets more credit than he deserves and his smugness just rubs me the wrong way...

But in that instance, he did not mean to be hit by that pitch. No one wants one off the wrist, hand, or elbow. That stuff HURTS.

Looks to me like Jeter was fooled on the pitch (he starts moving his hands forward as if he's going to swing) and got caught. Certainly doesn't look like he was just trying to get a base.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Look, I really dislike Jeter. I think he's way overcelebrated by the media and Yankees fans. I think he gets more credit than he deserves and his smugness just rubs me the wrong way...

But in that instance, he did not mean to be hit by that pitch. No one wants one off the wrist, hand, or elbow. That stuff HURTS.

Looks to me like Jeter was fooled on the pitch (he starts moving his hands forward as if he's going to swing) and got caught. Certainly doesn't look like he was just trying to get a base.

What are you looking at. Always hustles runs out every ground ball like it's the last out, never showboats, works with kids, didn't shoot off his mouth when the Yanks had that run in the late 1990s, never makes excuses when the Yanks don't make it..........................???? Yet he is gets the boos in all parks.

So because he plays in the big media city, because some Yankee fans think he's better than he is.................well I just won't like him, that makes sense.

Lets be honest, not the player some Yankee fans think he is but better than some other will give him credit for. There are two sides to the story, where is the smugness.

[KCGHOST]

Guys get hit by pitches, even stars like Jeter. Sometime sits their fault, sometimes its the pitcher's fault, and sometimes its nobody's fault. Other than it being the iconic Jeter there was nothing special about him getting hit or the way he got hit.

On the other hand Hawkins deliberately threw at the guy twice. And the second time was a clear head shot. Maybe he was trying to stand up for a teammate or just get some bonus points with the fans, but he crossed the line.

It has nothing to do with a team being "classy" or not. When you think you need to retaliate you have to limit your attempts to one and you don't go for the head.

[TonyStarks]

so the Yankees are losing 9-0...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand. The ball was nearly a strike. So the Yankees freak out and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.

yeah, real classy


is Giardi just a thug or something? I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess

I have no problems with "If you hit my guy, I'm going to hit your guy" approach. This was a problem when Torre was @ the helm. And the Red Sox were great purveyors of hitting Yankees...Jeter mostly, then never seeing Papi or Manny brushed back had always irked me.




Look, I really dislike Jeter. I think he's way overcelebrated by the media and Yankees fans. I think he gets more credit than he deserves and his smugness just rubs me the wrong way...



I take offense to this. I'm one of the Yankee fans in the minority here where I think the same as you do. IMO, Derek Jeter is Barry Larkin in a Yankees Uniform @ the right time.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I have no problems with "If you hit my guy, I'm going to hit your guy" approach. This was a problem when Torre was @ the helm. And the Red Sox were great purveyors of hitting Yankees...Jeter mostly, then never seeing Papi or Manny brushed back had always irked me.






I take offense to this. I'm one of the Yankee fans in the minority here where I think the same as you do. IMO, Derek Jeter is Barry Larkin in a Yankees Uniform @ the right time.

May I ask, what part do you agree with that regarding the othr poster poster, that Jeter is smug, I don't see that at all.

Or maybe even though a Yankee fan you think at times he's made out to be better than he is. Well, I'm a Yankee fan and I agree, "some" Yankee fans make him out to be more than he really is. On the other hand is it not foolish for "some" who are not Yankee fans to portray him less than he really is.

Sounds foolish to me. Since some overrate him I'll underrate him and that will even things up..............thats insane. There are other players on other teams who are chosen over others by home town fans, doesn't only happen in NY it's just more publicized. A couple of years ago ask the Atlanta fans who the best CF is and you get Jones, ask a Card fan and it's Edmonds.

He may not be the greatest but he's a very good ballplayer.

[ipitch]

Always hustles runs out every ground ball like it's the last out

Maybe 10 years ago, but not anymore. I've seen him only give it about 70% quite a few times over the last couple of years.

[Urbanshocker13]

Jeter is overrated in allot of ways and he does get to much attention from the media. But allot of people because of this now underestimate him, he should have won 2 MVPs and his rage isn't good at all and his defence has gone way down but he also not the worst. Calling him a drama queen is way off, here is a player who always plays through injury, never bitches in the press or in the clubhouse, always runs out balls. Some of his "captain" "attributes" are totally overblown, but he is a good hardworking player. There is some real A-holes, cry babies and drama queens in the MLB but Jeter isn't one of them. It's just hateing the player because the team he is on.

Now I am even sick of the Yankees classy, historic, corprate, better then you, george propoaganda. But there is just allot of Yankee haterd, and trying to find anything to get on them about. Now I know it's not like this on here, because there is allot a true intellegent real baseball fans on here but it's fashionable to hate the Yankees now like it was to like them in the late 90's. I know that there are plenty of people who have never liked the Yanks, but it's a bandwagon thing now to hate the Yankees. I am not saying oh poor Yankees or anything like that, but I am only saying what is fair there is just alot of hateing the Yankees becaause they are the Yankees and I let it go sometimes, and sometimes there is a point but I got to stick up for them sometimes.

[ipitch]

so the Yankees are losing 9-0...and Derek Jeter is up and just like Jeter always does he lunges at a pitch that ends up hitting him in the hand. The ball was nearly a strike. So the Yankees freak out and LaTroy Hawkins is ordered to retaliate so he throws two pitches at an Oriole player's head.

yeah, real classy


is Giardi just a thug or something? I was one of the people who was scared of Giardi going to the Yanks after what he did with the Marlins....I thought when surrounded by talent he would dominate...not so I guess

Maybe Girardi got PO'd after reading this little factoid...

"Over the last 10 seasons, Jeter has been hit with 108 pitches, the third-highest total in the AL, behind Jason Giambi (122) and Alex Rodriguez (110). And no, those aren't the Yankees team leaders, those are the 10-year American League leaders."

[whoisonit]

Maybe 10 years ago, but not anymore. I've seen him only give it about 70% quite a few times over the last couple of years.
Listen, I hate Jeter as much as the next guy, but this statement is total bull. I have to ask, have you ever actually watched a Yankee game ?

Jeter is many things: smug, overated, over hyped, incredibly lucky, a selfish 'captian', but to say " I've seen him only give it about 70% quite a few times over the last couple of years", shows you either haven't seen him play one single time these last few years or your just so jelous that you're posting before you think.

[ipitch]

Listen, I hate Jeter as much as the next guy, but this statement is total bull. I have to ask, have you ever actually watched a Yankee game ?

Jeter is many things: smug, overated, over hyped, incredibly lucky, a selfish 'captian', but to say " I've seen him only give it about 70% quite a few times over the last couple of years", shows you either haven't seen him play one single time these last few years or your just so jelous that you're posting before you think.

First of all, I'm ONLY talking about Jeter running to first base. And, yes, I probably watch about 100 Yankees games every year. When it looks as if Jeter will be thrown out on a groundball, he sometimes stops running hard. If the score is 3-3 in the 8th, he'll run hard all the way. If the score is 10-3, there's a good chance that he'll slow down before the out is made. If you want to see a guy that runs hard to first every time...it's ARod.

[TonyStarks]

May I ask, what part do you agree with that regarding the othr poster poster, that Jeter is smug, I don't see that at all.

Or maybe even though a Yankee fan you think at times he's made out to be better than he is. Well, I'm a Yankee fan and I agree, "some" Yankee fans make him out to be more than he really is. On the other hand is it not foolish for "some" who are not Yankee fans to portray him less than he really is.

Sounds foolish to me. Since some overrate him I'll underrate him and that will even things up..............thats insane. There are other players on other teams who are chosen over others by home town fans, doesn't only happen in NY it's just more publicized. A couple of years ago ask the Atlanta fans who the best CF is and you get Jones, ask a Card fan and it's Edmonds.

He may not be the greatest but he's a very good ballplayer.


I wasn't refering to Jeter being smug. I haven't judged him for being smug nor do I care about his smugness or attitude. I only care about the Yankees and what he does for them.

I agreed that Jeter is overrated. That was all I was referring to.

As for your comments on Jones and a couple of years ago, they might have had a fair argument. Same goes for Edmonds. Jeter, I don't think he could ever have said he was the best SS. Remember, he only won the Gold Gloves after the Best SS in the game moved positions.

[Urbanshocker13]

Over the last couple of years, the ammount of Yankees hit by Redsox pitching compared to the other way around was just crazy. I know Arod & Jeter stand over the plate & Giambi is an inmoveable fat turd but some where just ridiculous. Like when Pedro hit Jeter and soriano right after each other.

[Captain Cold Nose]

How did this thread turn into a Red Sox-Yankees/anti-Jeter discussion?
How do any?

I don't think the Yankees can be singled out at all for this type of behavior. And, as far as media hype one way or another, the Yankees are only so much responsible for that.

It's frustrating for those of us who don't care to hear it all the time. There are 30 teams. Regardless of anything, there are 30 teams playing the same game the same basic way, winning or losing, and tens of millions of people who aren't necessarily needing to hear about a couple teams far more than the ones they care about. I think that's where the good thread starter is coming from.

[hellborn]

Maybe Girardi got PO'd after reading this little factoid...

"Over the last 10 seasons, Jeter has been hit with 108 pitches, the third-highest total in the AL, behind Jason Giambi (122) and Alex Rodriguez (110). And no, those aren't the Yankees team leaders, those are the 10-year American League leaders."

I'm probably biased because I don't like Giambi, but I think he definitely fishes for the HBP at times. A breaking ball will come inside at little, maybe even nip the zone, and Jason dips the elbow down just so while he's already starting to toss the bat and head to 1st. Sorry, batters are supposed to try to get out of the way, and a pitch in the strike zone that hits a batter is still a strike (you could look it up!).
I don't think Jeter looks for the HBP, but he obviously does dive over the plate a lot...that, combined with his inside out stroke, explains a lot as to why he can hit the ball the other way so well.
ARod...I think he gets hit a lot as "payback" for HRs, and just because a lot of other players don't like him. He doesn't move into the plate anything like the way Jeter does.
BTW, most of Giambi and ARod's HBPs would have been with other teams...

[Urbanshocker13]

How did this thread turn into a Red Sox-Yankees/anti-Jeter discussion?
How do any?

I don't think the Yankees can be singled out at all for this type of behavior. And, as far as media hype one way or another, the Yankees are only so much responsible for that.

It's frustrating for those of us who don't care to hear it all the time. There are 30 teams. Regardless of anything, there are 30 teams playing the same game the same basic way, winning or losing, and tens of millions of people who aren't necessarily needing to hear about a couple teams far more than the ones they care about. I think that's where the good thread starter is coming from.
What!? I useally like what you say you usally snap the thread back to order and as you did with most of the post. What thread starter did is exactlly what you said you hate, if it's not all the attention on the Yanks or Sox(which I am sick of too) it's fans bring attention to the Yankees by hateing them and pointing out what wrong with them and that's why this thread was started.

Never mind what I just wrote I read your post wrong, you where right I agree with you. Sorry

[Captain Cold Nose]

What!? I useally like what you say you usally snap the thread back to order and as you did with most of the post. What thread starter did is exactlly what you said you hate, if it's not all the attention on the Yanks or Sox(which I am sick of too) it's fans bring attention to the Yankees by hateing them and pointing out what wrong with them and that's why this thread was started.

Never mind what I just wrote I read your post wrong, you where right I agree with you. Sorry

I understand where you're coming from, though. It's certainly not your fault for feeling like you do. And it's really not all fault of the Yankees for being as polarizing as they are. They're not blameless, of course, but they're like Barry Bonds, they get far too much heat for problems that are go far deeper than just them.

[whoisonit]

but they're like Barry Bonds,

I knew steroids would find a way into the thread !

[ipitch]

BTW, most of Giambi and ARod's HBPs would have been with other teams...

Au contraire! Not Giambi.
48 HBPs with 3398 at-bats with the A's.
93 HBPs(!) with 2589(!) at-bats with the Yankees.

[Brooklyn]

Jeter leans over the plate to attack the outside of the plate. When a pitcher busts him in and he is fooled, this will lead to getting hit more. It didn't look like he was intentionally being thrown at. yes the ball was high and inside, but if he wasn't leaning over, he likely would have gotten out of the way.

Great hitters have always leaned over the plate. look at Bonds. It always bothered me that he wore the armor, because it let him lean over the plate without fear of being hit.

Pitchers have to throw inside to keep the hitter honest, particularly hitters that lean far over. Sometime they wind up hitting them by doing that. I'm sure there are times it is intention. But I'd guess most of the time it isn't.

That is the risk the player takes by leaning over. but I give them a lot of credit. If I got hit with a 90+ mph fast ball, I'd be less likely to lean over the next time. In reality, I'd probalby we running to the dugout on the windup. But good hitters get right back in the box without fear of getting hit. And they need to do that to be successful.

As stated above, I don't think Carbrera was throwing at Jeter. But I also don't begrudge Hawkins the right to retaliate, if he (or girardi) did think it was intentional. But you never throw at a guy's head. And you retaliate once, not twice. Very poor sportsmanship on the part of Hawkins. Even if it came from Girardi to throw at him, I doubt Girardi asked him to do it twice.

[Old Sweater]

Great to see the Yankees remaining most fans focal point over the Red Sox and Mets!!!!!!

[Stumanji]

What are you looking at. Always hustles runs out every ground ball like it's the last out, never showboats, works with kids, didn't shoot off his mouth when the Yanks had that run in the late 1990s, never makes excuses when the Yanks don't make it..........................???? Yet he is gets the boos in all parks.

I didn't say anything about his work ethic or charity work. The single play that sticks in my mind happened last year (or the year before) when someone hit a lazy flyball to A-Rod at third. A-Rod is camping under it, not moving, waiting for the ball, and you see Jeter tracking it, moving in slowly... he bumps A-Rod while lunging for the pop-up and the ball drops and Jeter just glared at A-Rod.

Yes, yes, I know the SS can call anyone off, but you don't need to call off a player that is camping under a ball, and you certainly don't glare at them when you caused them to miss it.

So because he plays in the big media city, because some Yankee fans think he's better than he is.................well I just won't like him, that makes sense.

Can't I just not like a player? Does there have to be reasons? I'm more and more annoyed by Albert Pujols. What has he done? Nothing. I just don't enjoy him as a player anymore. I've never been keen on Andruw Jones either. Jim Thome always kind of annoyed me. These guys don't do anything to get my dislike, I just don't like 'em.

It has nothing to do with the Yankees, or New York, or that their fans think he's better than he is. I just don't like him. I like A-Rod, love Posada, like Matsui and Damon, and Mariano is awesome... Just don't like Jeter. Plain and simple.

[TheMadDog31]

1. This isn't Tigers vs. Yankees.....I'll admit it the Tigers suck right now

Then don't make it out to be. You attack my team, I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to attack yours. You take shots at my favorite team's players and it's manager, I'm going to do the same thing.

2. The classiest team comes from earlier discussions on just how and why the Yankees are considered that way when there is much evidence that goes against it.

Ok, I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding what you typed. The reason for the name of your ridiculously idiotic topic is based on what people that hate the Yankees thinks of them? The Yankees aren't the only team to do some of the things they've done. It's because of the media in New York or just the media when it comes to sports teams in New York period. Obviously, you have been thinking that the Yankees are the only team to "retaliate" and that we are dirty. Yeah, you're not biased at all!

3. You don't think Torre told Joba to throw at him? just like with LaTroy, Joba said what he was supposed to that he didn't mean to and nobody told him to. This saves him from a longer suspension and stops the manager from being suspended

No I don't. Torre has his way of managing, which is very passive. In other words, think of someone like Jim Leyland or Lou Pinella or Bobby Cox on one side, and then on the other side there are guys like Tito Francona and Joe Torre. They almost never throw tantrums and kick dirt or order "retaliations". It's more than likely the pitcher that decides, "Well, he hit one of my buddies, I guess I better teach him a lesson and bean him in the ass." And the last part of your statement is just stupid. Umm, ever think of the possibility that maybe...just maybe Torre DIDN'T order it? And that Joba did that on HIS OWN? Or is that just your biased opinion against the Yankees again?

4. ok, ok...so it wasn't almost a strike, but hopefully you can admit that Jeter gets hit a lot like that since he does lunge over the plate....which is why he is so good at going opposite field

Then don't say it was. If you're going to say something ridiculous like, "It was almost a strike" when it was very high and inside, at least make sure that what you're saying isn't bull. When you said it was almost a strike, you were implying that Jeter leans out more than he does over the plate, and you were making an excuse for Daniel Cabrera to hit him when the fastball shouldn't have been there in the first place. Jeter doesn't lunge, he leans. Big difference. If he lunges, it means he throws his body into the bulk of the strike zone, whereas if he leans, he comes inside.

the point of this whole post is that retaliation was not necessary since much of the evidence showed that the beaning was not intentional.

No. The whole point of this post was to show your distaste and your biased opinions against the New York Yankees. Especially when you say ridiculous things like, "It was almost a strike" or "then the Yankees started freaking out and ordered retaliation" or "Is Giardi a thug or something?".

1. score was 9-0

:applaud: Well at least you got one thing right. Still, this doesn't make a bit of difference. I hate it when people say that, "Oh well, because the score was so lopsided, there's no way the pitcher could've done it on purpose!". That is false. A pitcher can do whatever he wants. No matter what the score.

. Jeter lunges, making it more likely for him to get beaned

Once again, leaned not lunged. Yes, I'm sure this is what was going on inside of Jeter's head. "Ok, here we go. He's throwing a fastball high and in. I'm going lunge out in front of it, so it can hit me in my hand and I will feel excrutiating pain all for the sake of getting Mr. Girardi to order some retaliation. Ouch."

3. score was 9-0

Yeah, you mentioned that already. Repeating yourself doesn't get your "point" across any better. It's just annoying.

yet, an oriole got thrown at, at the head no less.

Did it hit him? No it did not. Did Jeter get hit? Yes he did. There's a big difference in whatever LaTroy thought he was doing, and what Daniel Cabrera did.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I wasn't refering to Jeter being smug. I haven't judged him for being smug nor do I care about his smugness or attitude. I only care about the Yankees and what he does for them.

I agreed that Jeter is overrated. That was all I was referring to.

As for your comments on Jones and a couple of years ago, they might have had a fair argument. Same goes for Edmonds. Jeter, I don't think he could ever have said he was the best SS. Remember, he only won the Gold Gloves after the Best SS in the game moved positions.

My post on the smug issue was not directed at you.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I didn't say anything about his work ethic or charity work. The single play that sticks in my mind happened last year (or the year before) when someone hit a lazy flyball to A-Rod at third. A-Rod is camping under it, not moving, waiting for the ball, and you see Jeter tracking it, moving in slowly... he bumps A-Rod while lunging for the pop-up and the ball drops and Jeter just glared at A-Rod.

Yes, yes, I know the SS can call anyone off, but you don't need to call off a player that is camping under a ball, and you certainly don't glare at them when you caused them to miss it.



Can't I just not like a player? Does there have to be reasons? I'm more and more annoyed by Albert Pujols. What has he done? Nothing. I just don't enjoy him as a player anymore. I've never been keen on Andruw Jones either. Jim Thome always kind of annoyed me. These guys don't do anything to get my dislike, I just don't like 'em.

It has nothing to do with the Yankees, or New York, or that their fans think he's better than he is. I just don't like him. I like A-Rod, love Posada, like Matsui and Damon, and Mariano is awesome... Just don't like Jeter. Plain and simple.

Your opening paragraph is what I spoke of earlier. If the same incident happened to another team it would be a nothing deal. But it's NY and Jeter was involved. You see Jeter glaring, thats the way it appeared to you. I doubt he was faulting AROD or shifting blame.

You do have the right to dislike Jeter but is that honesty...he's smug, where.
The play with AROD, is that the first time infielders bumped, one bumped another even though it was the others ball. Then in your eyes you see Jeter glare, do you know what he was thinking.

You can dislike anyone but it looks like its' having an effect on your being objective.
Ii won't beat this one to death, can't go any further, we see it differently and thats OK.

[Stumanji]

Your opening paragraph is what I spoke of earlier. If the same incident happened to another team it would be a nothing deal. But it's NY and Jeter was involved. You see Jeter glaring, thats the way it appeared to you. I doubt he was faulting AROD or shifting blame.

I don't care if this was Michael Young bumping into Hank Blalock or Jeff Keppinger causing Edwin Encarnacion to miss the ball. The team and city only matter to YOU. Jeter glared. If Young or Keppinger glared at their third basemen on something that was their own fault, I'd dislike them too.

The play with AROD, is that the first time infielders bumped, one bumped another even though it was the others ball. Then in your eyes you see Jeter glare, do you know what he was thinking.

I like how you can tell me what you think Jeter is thinking then tell me that I don't know what Jeter is thinking... That's good stuff.
("I doubt he was faulting AROD or shifting blame." -- you)
("...do you know what he was thinking" -- you)

1. A quick Google search shows (http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=740470)
2. that I'm not the only one that thought Jeter glared at A-Rod. (http://www.waswatching.com/archives/2006/08/the_pop-up.html)

Look, I'm not trying to convince you that Jeter is a bad guy. In fact, while reading about that pop-up that he caused A-Rod to miss (and was charged an error for "impeding the catch"), I found a clip of him walking the streets of New York and his bodyguard insisted he didn't have time to stop, and Jeter stopped anyway to sign autographs.

That's class. I appreciate that. He's a great ballplayer.

But I don't like him.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Then don't make it out to be. You attack my team, I'm pretty sure I'm entitled to attack yours. You take shots at my favorite team's players and it's manager, I'm going to do the same thing.



Ok, I'm having a little bit of trouble understanding what you typed. The reason for the name of your ridiculously idiotic topic is based on what people that hate the Yankees thinks of them? The Yankees aren't the only team to do some of the things they've done. It's because of the media in New York or just the media when it comes to sports teams in New York period. Obviously, you have been thinking that the Yankees are the only team to "retaliate" and that we are dirty. Yeah, you're not biased at all!



No I don't. Torre has his way of managing, which is very passive. In other words, think of someone like Jim Leyland or Lou Pinella or Bobby Cox on one side, and then on the other side there are guys like Tito Francona and Joe Torre. They almost never throw tantrums and kick dirt or order "retaliations". It's more than likely the pitcher that decides, "Well, he hit one of my buddies, I guess I better teach him a lesson and bean him in the ass." And the last part of your statement is just stupid. Umm, ever think of the possibility that maybe...just maybe Torre DIDN'T order it? And that Joba did that on HIS OWN? Or is that just your biased opinion against the Yankees again?



Then don't say it was. If you're going to say something ridiculous like, "It was almost a strike" when it was very high and inside, at least make sure that what you're saying isn't bull. When you said it was almost a strike, you were implying that Jeter leans out more than he does over the plate, and you were making an excuse for Daniel Cabrera to hit him when the fastball shouldn't have been there in the first place. Jeter doesn't lunge, he leans. Big difference. If he lunges, it means he throws his body into the bulk of the strike zone, whereas if he leans, he comes inside.



No. The whole point of this post was to show your distaste and your biased opinions against the New York Yankees. Especially when you say ridiculous things like, "It was almost a strike" or "then the Yankees started freaking out and ordered retaliation" or "Is Giardi a thug or something?".



:applaud: Well at least you got one thing right. Still, this doesn't make a bit of difference. I hate it when people say that, "Oh well, because the score was so lopsided, there's no way the pitcher could've done it on purpose!". That is false. A pitcher can do whatever he wants. No matter what the score.



Once again, leaned not lunged. Yes, I'm sure this is what was going on inside of Jeter's head. "Ok, here we go. He's throwing a fastball high and in. I'm going lunge out in front of it, so it can hit me in my hand and I will feel excrutiating pain all for the sake of getting Mr. Girardi to order some retaliation. Ouch."



Yeah, you mentioned that already. Repeating yourself doesn't get your "point" across any better. It's just annoying.



Did it hit him? No it did not. Did Jeter get hit? Yes he did. There's a big difference in whatever LaTroy thought he was doing, and what Daniel Cabrera did.

We're a little late to the party, aren't we? The arguing is over.

The points being made about Jeter, one way or another, are really proving Urban's point. We're done feeding the beast.

[bigtime39]

In Daniel Cabrera's case, past performance is not predictive of current performance.
I don't know what magic wand Rick Kranitz carries with him, but it's worked miracles with Cabrera. Kranitz has him concentrating on the two-seam fastball, which in Cabrera's case, moves...a lot. Players on opposing teams are giving it up for D-Cab right now, saying that even though they know what's coming, they still can't hit it.
Last year, the concern would have been that, after Hawkins threw at Huff and Scott, Cabrera would have intentionally drilled someone--likely A-Rod.
This year, he shrugged it off, and kept blowing away opposing hitters.

For an opposing fan, Derek Jeter is very annoying to watch at the plate. That little "I'm taking a dump here" move he makes on pitches he thinks are low; the smirking; the attitude that he knows the zone better than the umpire does. On other forums, I've advocated putting him on his ass routinely, just to keep him off the plate. I can guarantee you, though, that I have no contacts in the Orioles clubhouse, so that idea has gotten no farther than those forums.

I'd be willing to bet large sums of $$$ that Daniel Cabrera did not intentionally hit Jeter Tuesday night. Things are going too well for him of late to mess with aggravation like that.

Also, if a pitch is up and in, how the hell does it hit a guy in the hand, when his hands are down near his waist??????????????????

[Zito75]

Sounds like your not really being objective. Looks like you have a problem with players that have the NY on their pinstripe uniform. Same old, story it's always bigger when the pinstripes are involved, so obvious.

Not true. Jeter loves the spotlight and seems to be in the tabloids, news etc by dating Mariah Carey or whomever his flavor is this week. His tiffs with A-Rod have also been published. When the D-Backs beat them back '01, there he was again in the headlines, whining about how they screwed.

He's a good ball player, I give him that. He's also a whiny drama queen. I'll leave it at that.

Oh, btw, didn't the ball hit the bat anyway???

[Mattingly]

Not true. Jeter loves the spotlight and seems to be in the tabloids, news etc by dating Mariah Carey or whomever his flavor is this week. His tiffs with A-Rod have also been published. When the D-Backs beat them back '01, there he was again in the headlines, whining about how they screwed.

He's a good ball player, I give him that. He's also a whiny drama queen. I'll leave it at that.

Oh, btw, didn't the ball hit the bat anyway???
Derek Jeter hasn't dated Mariah Carey in about 12 years. That's 1996. Since then, it's been Jessica Biel, Jordana Brewster, Scarlett Johanssen and a few others. People Magazine, I think it was, said that 6 of their top 100 beautiful faces had dated him. He likes pretty women, I'll admit. Check pagesix.com (NY Post's gossip column) and you'll likely see his name there once every other week.

As to him giving quotes, he's the likeliest choice on the team to give quotes. Should he hide from the news media after a loss? It's no problem finding someone after a win, is there?

Jeter is there to help the team, since when he'd gotten caught in a rundown a few days ago (Thursday?), he motioned Bobby Abreu to go to 3B and A-Rod to go to 2B, thereby helping the team. The stuff about who he dates is merely the sideshow that is his life.

Oh, and about your prior comment that Girardi didn't practically rub his hand after the HBP, how often has Torre done that, and Jeter was Torre's favorite obviously. I've never heard of that happening, and I think it was on Saturday, he'd been HBP again.

That man seems to be a magnet for wayward pitches. He either takes his base, he goes out of the game (very reluctantly, I might add) and that's it. He never mouths off at the pitcher who hit him, and in the HBP that caused this thread, he was back in the lineup the very next day, regardless of what LaTroy Hawkins, the Yankee reliever did.

The Yanks have rarely responded to HBPs by retaliating, which is why Jeter has been HBP so often. Our primary retaliators over the years have been Clemens and Boomer. Moose has been here since 2001 and he's rarely retaliated. Just wanted to state that for the record.

[ipitch]

Jeter is there to help the team, since when he'd gotten caught in a rundown a few days ago (Thursday?), he motioned Bobby Abreu to go to 3B and A-Rod to go to 2B, thereby helping the team.

That's not a big deal, is it? That's something that you could see at a high school game.

[Mattingly]

That's not a big deal, is it? That's something that you could see at a high school game.
I didn't say it was huge, but it was one of the little things he does. Had he not done this, the players could just have stayed at 1B/2B and be put in a position for a GIDP.

I think that playing good textbook baseball is what helps a team, and things can easily get where players aren't sticking to the basics.

[bigtime39]

I didn't say it was huge, but it was one of the little things he does. Had he not done this, the players could just have stayed at 1B/2B and be put in a position for a GIDP.

I think that playing good textbook baseball is what helps a team, and things can easily get where players aren't sticking to the basics.

So, you're suggesting that Abreau and Miss Pay Rod are too stupid to advance a base without Derek Christ to lead the way??? :rofl:

[SHOELESSJOE3]

So, you're suggesting that Abreau and Miss Pay Rod are too stupid to advance a base without Derek Christ to lead the way??? :rofl:

Derek Christ? Your words and attitude lead me to believe your another one that gets an upset stomach just looking at Jeter or that damn team that wears pinstripes.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Not true. Jeter loves the spotlight and seems to be in the tabloids, news etc by dating Mariah Carey or whomever his flavor is this week. His tiffs with A-Rod have also been published. When the D-Backs beat them back '01, there he was again in the headlines, whining about how they screwed.
He's a good ball player, I give him that. He's also a whiny drama queen. I'll leave it at that.

Oh, btw, didn't the ball hit the bat anyway???


Do you think he lets the media know when he's stepping out, so they can take some pictures, maybe a story on who he stepped out with. Isn't my sentence absolutely insane, of course it is maybe it will make my point. Is that his fault, his doing, that the press makes a big deal out of it. Tell us why you even bring up something he has nothing to do with.

Jeter and AROD, at times not getting along, shame on him, shame on them. Like this is so unusual, doesn't happen, never happened to players from other teams.

Your first two points shot down, tell me how Jeter is responsible for the press attention and his "shameful" tiff with AROD reflects on his character.

Whining about the D-BACKS beating the Yanks in the WS, I don't remember him ever making excuses or whining about anyone beating the Yanks.

Your letting the image of Jeter cloud your thinking. If you don't like him say so but why show your obvious bias by raising issues that have nothing to do with his charactar.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I can certainly understand some just hating the Yankee team and some of their players. They bring up money, winning all those pennants and World Series all the press coverage and other issues. The problem is " some" judge the team and some of the players by a different standard. What ever the Yanks do, it's a bigger deal, it's not as bad when it's other teams.............. yea, that really makes sense. But yet even though the bias the hate is so evident "some" not all deny the obvious. I have more respect for those who just come out and say the hate them. Still they don't get off the hook with their bias against the team just because they admit hating them. So because one does not like a team or player we judge them differently, no.

At least try to be objective even if you dislike a player or hitter. A post from a while back about Joe Dimaggio and the streak. One poster pulling for someone to break the record, his reason because he didn't want the record to be held by a Yankee.

Manny Ramirez in the Bosox 2004 victory parade holding up a sign, "Derek Jeter is fishing." Imagine any Yankee player doing the same, now thats a big deal.

[Zito75]

Do you think he lets the media know when he's stepping out, so they can take some pictures, maybe a story on who he stepped out with. Isn't my sentence absolutely insane, of course it is maybe it will make my point. Is that his fault, his doing, that the press makes a big deal out of it. Tell us why you even bring up something he has nothing to do with.

Jeter and AROD, at times not getting along, shame on him, shame on them. Like this is so unusual, doesn't happen, never happened to players from other teams.

Your first two points shot down, tell me how Jeter is responsible for the press attention and his "shameful" tiff with AROD reflects on his character.

Whining about the D-BACKS beating the Yanks in the WS, I don't remember him ever making excuses or whining about anyone beating the Yanks.

Your letting the image of Jeter cloud your thinking. If you don't like him say so but why show your obvious bias by raising issues that have nothing to do with his charactar.

Visa. It's every where you want to be. :)

[Mattingly]

So, you're suggesting that Abreau and Miss Pay Rod are too stupid to advance a base without Derek Christ to lead the way??? :rofl:
Yes, I am suggesting just that. Derek Jeter is really Moses in disguise. In fact, he parted the Red Sea just to get to the Yanks and lead them to Glory and Salvation every single October he's been here! :D

http://www.itsablackthang.com/images/Allen-Aaron-Hicks/Moses-parting-red-sea.jpg

OK, perhaps not the best example, but he does a lot for the team. His detractors have 12 years of ammo, but we as Yankee fans will often love him. Not every Yankee fan is overly enthused with him, obviously, but quite a few of us consider him a very important cog in the engine. :)

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Yes, I am suggesting just that. Derek Jeter is really Moses in disguise. In fact, he parted the Red Sea just to get to the Yanks and lead them to Glory and Salvation every single October he's been here! :D

http://www.itsablackthang.com/images/Allen-Aaron-Hicks/Moses-parting-red-sea.jpg

OK, perhaps not the best example, but he does a lot for the team. His detractors have 12 years of ammo, but we as Yankee fans will often love him. Not every Yankee fan is overly enthused with him, obviously, but quite a few of us consider him a very important cog in the engine. :)


Maybe now the doubters will believe.:)