4th Best of the New Generation?

[The Dude]

Round 1-3 Results:
1.Johan Santana: 45% (14 Votes)
-Jake Peavy: 19% (6 Votes)
-Brandon Webb: 16% (5 Votes)
-Roy Halladay: 10% (3 Votes)
-Roy Oswalt: 6% (2 Votes)
-Josh Beckett: 3% (1 Vote)
2.Roy (Doc) Halladay: 37% (7 Votes)
-Brandon Webb: 26% (5 Votes)
-Josh Beckett: 16% (3 Votes)
-Carols Zambrano: 16% (3 Votes)
-Roy Oswalt: 5% (1 Vote)
3.Brandon Webb: 42% (17 Votes)
-Jake Peavy: 24% (10 Votes)
-Roy Oswalt: 17% (7 Votes)
-Josh Beckett: 7% (3 Votes)
-Carlos Zambrano: 5% (2 votes)
-Scott Kazmir: 2% (1 Vote)
-Mark Buehrle: 2% (1 Vote)


So here's the setup. The pitcher must be under the age of 32, and have at least 75 MLB starts. Poll is open 4 days

Vote for your new top choice ...



Player GS IP W L CG SHO K's ERA+ WHIP BI GI
Bedard, Erik 115 682 42 35 1 1 659 120 1.33 2 19
Buehrle, Mark 240 1,665 108 78 23 7 966 122 1.26 7 78
Beckett, Josh 171 1,048 80 54 4 2 993 116 1.22 4 41
Haren, Danny 128 824 53 45 5 0 642 114 1.23 3 44
Hernandez, Felix 80 516 32 27 4 2 462 112 1.30 0 21
Grienke, Zack 77 499 24 36 3 0 353 105 1.33 0 14
Kazmir, Scott 98 574 35 30 1 1 622 122 1.39 5 16
Peavy, Jake 179 1,136 80 52 6 3 1,136 120 1.18 23 80
Oswalt, Roy 216 1,455 115 57 12 4 1,203 139 1.21 14 94
Sheets, Ben 196 1,269 77 74 14 2 1,080 114 1.19 6 52
Sabathia, C.C. 226 1,444 101 68 16 5 1,179 113 1.28 9 78
Zambrano, Carlos 187 1,240 85 56 7 2 1,077 132 1.28 5 91


Bedard, Erik:
2002-2007: Balitmore Orioles
2008-: Seattle Mariners

Buehrle, Mark:
2000-: Chicago White Sox
-No-Hitter in 2006
-3 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances
-1 WS Ring

Beckett, Josh:
2001-2005: Florida Marlins
2006-: Boston Red Sox
-1 All-Star Appearance
-2 Playoff Appearances
-2 WS Rings
-1 Cy Young Award

Haren, Danny:
2002-2003: St. Louis Cardinals
2004-2007: Oakland Athletics
2008-: Arizona Diamondbacks
-1 All-Star Appearance
-2 Playoff Appearances
-1 WS Ring

Hernandez, Felix:
2005-:Seattle Mariners

Grienke, Zack:
2004-: Kansas City Royals

Kazmir, Scott:
2004-: Tampa Bay (Devil) Rays
-1 All-Star Appearance

Peavy, Jake:
2002-: San Diego Padres
-2 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances
-1 Cy Young Award

Oswalt, Roy:
2001-: Houston Astros
-1 Inning of No-Hitter in 2003
-3 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances

Sheets, Ben:
2000-: Milwaukee Brewers
-3 All-Star Appearances

Sabathia, C.C.:
2001-: Cleveland Indians
-3 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances

Zambrano, Carlos:
2001-: Chicago Cubs
-2 All-Star Appearances
-2 Playoff Appearances

[Zagi-CRO]

my list:

1.Peavy
2.Zambrano
3.Oswalt

[OleMissCub]

my list:

1.Peavy
2.Zambrano
3.Oswalt

My list as well.

[Erik Bedard]

Peavy, Oswalt, then a pretty substantial dropoff, most likely to Zambrano, though I haven't figured that out yet.

[The Dude]

I find Peavy's results interesting so far. 2nd in the First round balloting. 0 Votes in the 2nd Round, 2nd again in the 3rd round. He has the most vocal supporters so far, yet only has a 3 vote lead as of now...

[keystone]

Peavy (with run support)
Oswalt (but not this year)
Sabathia (ditto Oswalt)

Why no love for CC? He's a horse.

[Otis Nixon's Bodyguard]

Not enough people are voting and the results are being skewed. Roy Oswalt is currently crafting a better career than either Roy Halladay or Carlos Zambrano. Webb and Peavy are a few years younger and have already peaked higher, but, looking at career numbers, a case could be made for Oswalt being number two on the list after Santana.

[cardsfanatic]

Guess I'll drop another vote for Peavy. Eventually he'll win. :)

[keystone]

I'm still feeling my way though this thread. In selecting our choices, do we pay more attention to "stuff" or longevity? I understand that both would be the ideal. but if it comes down to a choice, which carries more weight?

I still think Oswalt is a good pick, though. He's having a bad year so far (I wonder if he's hurt?), but the IP are pretty decent, W-L is good, and so is the ERA. Peavy has a bit less experience. Is that the knock on him?

[The Dude]

I'm still feeling my way though this thread. In selecting our choices, do we pay more attention to "stuff" or longevity? I understand that both would be the ideal. but if it comes down to a choice, which carries more weight?


I had originally written something to the effect of what I Felt was most important, and then eventually in the writing of it, I basically said vote to whatever you feel is most important. Stuff, Longevity, Finesse, Gut instinct, etc, so I just left out any "voting guidelines" at all.

For example, Mark Buehrle is a good pitcher no doubt, but right now, I think that Danny Haren in general is better. He's a better pitcher right now, and 15 years from now when they're both retired, Haren will have been better than Buehrle.