MLB getting more like NBA?

[metfan13]

Different rules for certain stars?

MLB umpires would be better off just calling plays and not checking to see if it's Jeter first.

Saturday, Jeter tries to stretch a hit into a double. Umpire first calls him safe. Jeter to this point has STILL not reached second base. Only after he stopped two feet short of the base did the ump change his call.

Then last night, the 3B ump who is maybe 150-175 feet from the foul pole correctly calls Delgado's shot a HR. Jeter whines, so the ump asks the other umps, some of whom are at awful angles or twice as far away, and they overturn it, incorrectly. When the closest guy gets it right and 3 others get it wrong, but you go with the wrong call, something's screwed up. The 3B ump, after the game, mentioned getting with the other guys because of an on field protest.

Oh then of course the home plate ump who screwed it up tosses a Mets coach. How about paying more attention to what's happening on the field?

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Different rules for certain stars?
MLB umpires would be better off just calling plays and not checking to see if it's Jeter first.

Saturday, Jeter tries to stretch a hit into a double. Umpire first calls him safe. Jeter to this point has STILL not reached second base. Only after he stopped two feet short of the base did the ump change his call.

Then last night, the 3B ump who is maybe 150-175 feet from the foul pole correctly calls Delgado's shot a HR. Jeter whines, so the ump asks the other umps, some of whom are at awful angles or twice as far away, and they overturn it, incorrectly. When the closest guy gets it right and 3 others get it wrong, but you go with the wrong call, something's screwed up. The 3B ump, after the game, mentioned getting with the other guys because of an on field protest.

Oh then of course the home plate ump who screwed it up tosses a Mets coach. How about paying more attention to what's happening on the field?

What does Jeter's whine have to do with the deal. He did what lots of other players have done in the same situation, lets face it it was close enough to at least think it could have been foul. You also bring up the Jeter play at second.That play at second was an unusual play. Jeter had not reached second but the infielder also lost possession of the ball for a few seconds but then recovered and tagged him out, the ump in an awkward situation had to make a call.

Sometimes calls go your way sometimes not. I'm sure in the past the Yanks and all other teams have had calls go against them.

I suspect with a screen name like METSFAN, you may not think much of Derek Jeter. Your opening line is a laugher, different rules............................ Are you saying that the two close calls were effected because Jeter was involved in one and then did whats been done by many others, protested a ball that was close, could have been foul, happens all the time. Nothing to do with Jeter, the umps just blew the homer call, just like in many other games

On that homer call, I agree. I have no idea why the ump who had the best view and made the original call was overruled. What I think happened one of the umps could not see the ball strike the foul pole and only saw the ball then go into the seats in foul territory after it struck the pole. It was difficult to see.
In the end, it was a botched call in particular because the ump with the best view was overruled. Thats the way it goes at times.

[metfan13]

What does Jeter's whine have to do with the deal. He did with lots of other players have done in the same situation, lets face it it was close enough to at least think it could have been foul. You also bring up the Jeter play at second.That play at second was an unusual play. Jeter had not reached second but the infielder also lost possession of the ball for a few seconds but then recovered and tagged him out, the ump in an awkward situation had to make a call.
Sometimes calls go your way sometimes not. I'm sure in the past the Yanks and all other teams have had calls go against them.

On that homer call, I agree. I have no idea why the ump who had the best view and made the original call was overruled. What I think happened one of the umps could not see the ball strike the foul pole and only saw the ball then go into the seats in foul territory after it struck the pole. It was difficult to see.
In the end, it was a botched call in particular because the ump with the best view was overruled. Thats the way it goes at times.


NO. The umpire should make NO call until there's a call to be made. Until Jeter touches the base, or the fielder touches Jeter with the ball the ump should stand there and do NOTHING. The umps mistake was assuming that Jeter would slide to the bag, he was giving him the call for some reason.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

NO. The umpire should make NO call until there's a call to be made. Until Jeter touches the base, or the fielder touches Jeter with the ball the ump should stand there and do NOTHING. The umps mistake was assuming that Jeter would slide to the bag, he was giving him the call for some reason.

You'll have to use a different approach....he was giving him the call for some reason What do you think the reason could be, would he have made the same call if it were not Jeter.

Your opening line in your previous post................."Different rules for certain stars" implies that it was the player involved, Jeter and the ump bent the rule, thats a joke.

In this post you close with.....giving him the call for some reason. Was that also because it was Jeter. Thats what I'm saying about your approach, your making it clear one call was premature because it was Jeter and the other possibly changed because it was Jeter.

We see odd and strange calls, blown calls all the time for all teams, whats so unusual here.

[metfan13]

You'll have to use a different approach....he was giving him the call for some reason What do you think the reason could be, would he have made the same call if it were not Jeter.

Your opening line in your previous post................."Different rules for certain stars" implies that it was the player involved, Jeter and the ump bent the rule, thats a joke.

In this post you close with.....giving him the call for some reason. Was that also because it was Jeter. Thats what I'm saying about your approach, your making it clear one call was peremature because it was Jeter and the other possibly changed because it was Jeter.

We see odd and strange calls, blow calls all the time for all teams, whats so unusual here.


One common link.

Also why the title of the thread. Different calls for different players. Benefit of the doubt, etc. If you'd like to go with blatant incompetence by a crew, ok.

[Imgran]

THe Maddux strike zone is another fine example.

[redlegsfan21]

THe Maddux strike zone is another fine example.

Well, I believe that if you prove that you throw strikes, the strike zone gets bigger but if you prove that you throw balls, the strike zone gets smaller. It's happened lots of times and an ump is more likely to call a borderline pitch a strike for someone with great control than someone with poor control.

[cardsfanatic]

I always knew Don Denkinger called Jorge Orta safe because of his star power! KNEW IT! Thanks for confirming it! Every blown call in baseball, and there's thousands, are all a direct result of star power. Even when it's bums that benefit from the calls, 9 times out of 10.

[rockin500]

typical whining.

[Captain Cold Nose]

typical whining.

From whom? Jeter or . . .

[whoisonit]

typical whining.

Ever notice the whiners always crawl out of their holes when the calls go against them ?
Blown calls are part of the game, just like errors. Some people just like to complain.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

One common link.

Also why the title of the thread. Different calls for different players. Benefit of the doubt, etc. If you'd like to go with blatant incompetence by a crew, ok.


I like that better, I doubt that an ump would give extra consideration to any one player.

I am a Yankee fan but I agree the Mets got short changed on the home run. I'll go back to my earlier post, my comment.
To be honest with the ump call, we have to remember, they don't see it in slo-mo or replays, it was a tough call.

The real raw deal to the Mets was when the ump who had the best view, the ump that called it fair was overruled by other umps, I don't get that part.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I always knew Don Denkinger called Jorge Orta safe because of his star power! KNEW IT! Thanks for confirming it! Every blown call in baseball, and there's thousands, are all a direct result of star power. Even when it's bums that benefit from the calls, 9 times out of 10.

Some are taking you serious, at this point I am not, you can't really mean that. Tell me I'm right, please.

[whoisonit]

Some are taking you serious, at this point I am not, you can't really mean that. Tell me I'm right, please.

I really don't think anybody see's it for anything other than what it is; a humorous way to disagree.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Some are taking you serious, at this point I am not, you can't really mean that. Tell me I'm right, please.

Some are?

That's a feather in cardfanatic's cap.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I really don't think anybody see's it for anything other than what it is; a humorous way to disagree.

I have no way of knowing how others are taking it. I am more familiar with some on the board and I do know their ways.

On that subject, going through some old news archives I saw a blown call from years ago, important because it may have effected the outcome of a game and World Series.

1952 World Series 10th inning Yankee Johnny Sain called out at first. Pictures in the next days newspapers show him safe by a pretty good margin, thats just the way the game goes, sometimes your way other times not.
Dodgers won that game in the 11th inning. Yanks did win the WS so it was forgotten.

Just another part of the game, the umps are human. For the most part right most of the time.

[metfan13]

Sorry, just PO'd. And I figure complaining after a win is better than after a loss. Second time this season the Mets have gotten the short end of a home run reversal. Happened to Beltran at the beginning of the season. Ball clearly over the wall hit a railing and bounced back in play. Overruled to a double. As you said, I don't get the overruled to the wrong call part of it. Should the guys overrulling be even more certain than the ump making the initial call?

As for whoisonit, funny comment considering you're running roughshod over the mets forum here with your negativity. Talk about whiners.

[KCGHOST]

I didn't see anything in last night's Mets-Yanks game that smacked of superstar favoritism. I just saw the umps making a bad call. In baseball superstar favoritism exists but is is usually reserved for close calls for a 3rd strike.

[metfan13]

I didn't see anything in last night's Mets-Yanks game that smacked of superstar favoritism. I just saw the umps making a bad call. In baseball superstar favoritism exists but is is usually reserved for close calls for a 3rd strike.

Actually, the 3B ump did not call the other umps until Jeter said something to him.