Kennedy & Cashman

[dougj1]

The wins and losses of rookie pitchers is never important.What is important is the progress they make with each start. It's obvious that Kennedy is not making any progress at all and should be in the minors for at least another year.Why he is here baffles me. He doesn't have a great fastball, great delivery or great control......It's unfortunate that Cashman cannot be sent down as well, since he's definitely not a major league GM.

[YankeeFanUK]

Kennedys main problem is he does`nt attack the plate...hes forever trying to nibble the corners instead of challenging the hitter and letting the defense do the job

[dougj1]

You are correct in your observation. What I have never understood is how or why Cashman would start a season with 2 unproven young pitchers in the starting rotation. I can see this happening with KC or Pirates et al., but not a team that supposedly was a real contender for the WS. I could see Hughes but not both.....To me, Kennedy, at best, doesn't look like anything but a #5 starter if that.

[Mike27]

Why send a pitcher down when he is unchallenged in the minors? That makes absolutely no sense, especially when there's no replacements for Kennedy. Let him work through it, as the Yankees obviously see something in the kid that they like. If one of our starters gets hot in the minors, then call them up and bring Kennedy down if he's still pitching terribly, otherwise, there's no point of making a move, just so the Yanks can bring another pitcher up, so we can all complain about him.

[Evangelion]

Kennedys main problem is he does`nt attack the plate...hes forever trying to nibble the corners instead of challenging the hitter and letting the defense do the job
He did walk one batter during his start against Tampa. Even in a lose, he didn't issue a number of walks. Still, I did not watch the game. So, I can't evaluate his start against Tampa. At least evaluate his control.


Why send a pitcher down when he is unchallenged in the minors? That makes absolutely no sense, especially when there's no replacements for Kennedy. Let him work through it, as the Yankees obviously see something in the kid that they like. If one of our starters gets hot in the minors, then call them up and bring Kennedy down if he's still pitching terribly, otherwise, there's no point of making a move, just so the Yanks can bring another pitcher up, so we can all complain about him.
To work on the issues he was having. The practice isn't uncommon. Kennedy can dominate, but his job while in the minor leagues is to work on the issues he's been having at the Major League level. He can work on his problems at the minor league level instead of the Major League level. If you look at from a competition's point of view, Kennedy dominates minor league. That's good, but the ultimate goal to prepare him for MLB level. That's been done when he dominate all levels of minor league levels, but clearly, he has flaws in his game that need to be worked on. Kennedy can work on his issues at the minor league level, instead at the MLB level and getting hammer while he's working the problems with his pitching out.

[dougj1]

He walked 1 batter and hit one batter. He gave up 2 home runs. Allowing 5 runs in 5 innings is as bad as it gets. His ERA is about 9.00 and when you allow one run on average for every inning you pitch, you have a major problem. The Yanks have lost almost every game he has started...As I stated, he has not shown any progress this season, and continuing to allow him to pitch is only putting more pressure on the team which has enough trouble in trying to stay out of the cellar....I don't follow the minor leagues, but I cannot believe that Scranton does not have one starter (X-Igawa) who doesn't deserve a shot in place of Kennedy.

[TonyStarks]

I didn't see the game, but the stat line isn't atrocious.

He did make it to the 5th Inning. He didn't give up big innings. He only walked 1.
There was some progress. He threw 79 pitches, 49 for strikes.
There is some silver lining.

[steve rogers]

I thought Kennedy was better yesterday than he has been. He was almost out of the inning when he gave up the 2 run home run. The home runs don't bother me as much as walks. He wasn't going deep into counts and only walked 1 guy. He worked his was out of that bases loaded situation giving up only one run. He wasn't good yesterday but I saw some things I liked. One thought that came to mind when Riggans killed the ball for a two run home run was that he might be tipping his pitches. Riggans knew what was coming and crushed it.

Scott

[monkey333]

The wins and losses of rookie pitchers is never important.What is important is the progress they make with each start. It's obvious that Kennedy is not making any progress at all and should be in the minors for at least another year.Why he is here baffles me. He doesn't have a great fastball, great delivery or great control......It's unfortunate that Cashman cannot be sent down as well, since he's definitely not a major league GM.
Did you even pay attention to his start yesterday? He looked significantly better. He was relatively efficient and threw around 65% strikes. The finally line wasn't pretty but it really was much better. Consistent mechanics, pitchability, and his control/command have been his biggest selling points in the past.

[KCGHOST]

It is unrealistic to expect rookie pitchers to come up and dominate. They have to be given time to take their lumps and learn. And in the last off-season there wasn't much pitching available after Santana. I guess you can fault Cashman for not pulling the trigger on the deal, but the Twins were asking for a ton and you were going to have to pony up some serious cash immediately to avoid Santana from walking at the end of the year.

[clipper]

It is unrealistic to expect rookie pitchers to come up and dominate. They have to be given time to take their lumps and learn. And in the last off-season there wasn't much pitching available after Santana. I guess you can fault Cashman for not pulling the trigger on the deal, but the Twins were asking for a ton and you were going to have to pony up some serious cash immediately to avoid Santana from walking at the end of the year.

Hank will be watching Santana and think "what if". I am disappointed with Hughes and Kennedy but like you I was not expecting 15 game winners. I heard Cash did not want to renegosiate his contract this off season and wanted to wait until after the season. It may have been the other way around. Either way - I really feel Cash is "on the hook" for the pitching woes. This is his last year on his contract and there is a very good possibility we will NOT make the playoffs.

I do agree with Doug and feel Kennedy does need more minor experience. He really doesn't have that much experience in minors and came through the system too fast. I have no problem trying different pitchers in the 5 spot until one produces. I know Kennedy says there is nothing in AAA, but keeping in majors is hurting the team and I don't feel it help him either.

I would like to see Wright if Kennedy doesn't do good his next start. I was surprise Joe did not watch Kennedy in next AAA start (skipped) and give Igawa another start.

We need to be more patient with Kennedy but not in bigs.

Clipper

[johnnypapa]

You are correct in your observation. What I have never understood is how or why Cashman would start a season with 2 unproven young pitchers in the starting rotation.


Good question.....maybe trying to justify not getting Santana? And Cash will probably be out the door and the Yanks will be stuck with Kennedy and maybe even Hughes (I'm still a little doubtful about this whole eyeglasses and rib cage thing)....

[johnnypapa]

and give Igawa another start.




AAARRRRGGGGHHHH:dismay::crazy

[Evangelion]

Good question.....maybe trying to justify not getting Santana? And Cash will probably be out the door and the Yanks will be stuck with Kennedy and maybe even Hughes (I'm still a little doubtful about this whole eyeglasses and rib cage thing)....
How many people wanted to trade the farm system away for Santana back when the deal was being discussed?

[sanket]

In the beginning of the season it LOOKED as if both Kennedy and Hughes were able to play at this level.

Hughes shut down the Indians in relief and really impressed me last postseason in our only playoff victory.

Kennedy was awesome last September going seven innings a couple times and even winning a game.

Kennedy made an improvement in his start against the Rays. He got to the fifth inning, he didn't give up any big innings, and he did some serious damage control during that one jam where had the bases loaded and nobody out (he only gave up one run in that situation and it was a sac fly).

I think him and Hughes are going to be just fine down the stretch, these are just growing pains that will be for the best in the future. Every great starter has growing pains. Hughes and Kennedy are both going to be great.

In a few years, they'll be winning 20 games almost every season. Just my prediction, I've seen the best of Hughes (the almost no hitter vs. Texas and playoff game vs. Cleveland) and I've seen a lot of good stuff from Kennedy as well. Both have tremendous potential.

I am glad that we made the move to call up Rasner and it's really going to help our chances of getting back into postseason contention.

[johnnypapa]

How many people wanted to trade the farm system away for Santana back when the deal was being discussed?


I think Hank Steinbrenner for one....I wanted Santana myself. And if trading Hughes, Kennedy and Cabrera was the Yankee farm system then we are indeed in dire straits. IMO...you don't pass on one of the best lefthanders in the game for what really are unknowns...yes Hughes threw that great game against Texas but that could have been a product of the league not knowing him...well they know him now. And Kennedy...well...do you see anything there?

[johnnypapa]

It is unrealistic to expect rookie pitchers to come up and dominate. They have to be given time to take their lumps and learn. And in the last off-season there wasn't much pitching available after Santana. I guess you can fault Cashman for not pulling the trigger on the deal, but the Twins were asking for a ton and you were going to have to pony up some serious cash immediately to avoid Santana from walking at the end of the year.


I did not expect them to dominate....but I was hoping that they could at least compete. With eras over eight....Hughes and Kennedy are overmatched...if they are that far from competing at the major league level then you can fault Cashmen...which I do...for not getting Santana.

[monkey333]

...yes Hughes threw that great game against Texas but that could have been a product of the league not knowing him...well they know him now.
Or it could've been because he's good.


And Kennedy...well...do you see anything there?
Yes.

[YankeeFanUK]

i wouldnt trade away young guys like Hughes, Kennedy & Melky...Santana might win now but im patient enough to wait...i like the direction the Yanks are taking with youth ( Cano, Melky, Joba etc )

[johnnypapa]

Or it could've been because he's good.


Yes.


What...AAA mvp? :)



"Analyzing every pitch doesn't help," he said. "You're on a bigger scale here."


Better get used to it Ian......

[johnnypapa]

i wouldnt trade away young guys like Hughes, Kennedy & Melky...Santana might win now but im patient enough to wait...i like the direction the Yanks are taking with youth ( Cano, Melky, Joba etc )

And what direction is that....south?:)

[YankeeFanUK]

And what direction is that....south?:)

patience is a virtue my friend

[johnnypapa]

patience is a virtue my friend


True.....been a Yankee fan since 1960.....had enough of the virtue of patience to sit through the likes of Jerry Kenny and Ross Moschitto so I can handle anything the Yankees throw at me now but....we are talking about a change in philosophy or direction as you put it and I'm not sure I want to become a fan of the Tampa Bay Rays. Been hearing a lot lately about how we should be more like the Tampa Bay Rays.....be careful what you wish for......

[YankeeFanUK]

True.....been a Yankee fan since 1960.....had enough of the virtue of patience to sit through the likes of Jerry Kenny and Ross Moschitto so I can handle anything the Yankees throw at me now but....we are talking about a change in philosophy or direction as you put it and I'm not sure I want to become a fan of the Tampa Bay Rays. Been hearing a lot lately about how we should be more like the Tampa Bay Rays.....be careful what you wish for......

thats Hanks wish not mine :)..id rather be like the DBacks..young exciting team with quality starters...all i was saying was id rather have a young team who can mature together into a great ballclub

1960..an old timer, i like that :)...you got me beat by 28 years ( 1988 for me )

[johnnypapa]

thats Hanks wish not mine :)..id rather be like the DBacks..young exciting team with quality starters...all i was saying was id rather have a young team who can mature together into a great ballclub


And you do know that to get one of those quality starters they traded away some of their young exciting players, right?

[bigbadwolf]

In the beginning of the season it LOOKED as if both Kennedy and Hughes were able to play at this level.

Hughes shut down the Indians in relief and really impressed me last postseason in our only playoff victory.

Kennedy was awesome last September going seven innings a couple times and even winning a game.

Kennedy made an improvement in his start against the Rays. He got to the fifth inning, he didn't give up any big innings, and he did some serious damage control during that one jam where had the bases loaded and nobody out (he only gave up one run in that situation and it was a sac fly).

I think him and Hughes are going to be just fine down the stretch, these are just growing pains that will be for the best in the future. Every great starter has growing pains. Hughes and Kennedy are both going to be great.

In a few years, they'll be winning 20 games almost every season. Just my prediction, I've seen the best of Hughes (the almost no hitter vs. Texas and playoff game vs. Cleveland) and I've seen a lot of good stuff from Kennedy as well. Both have tremendous potential.

I am glad that we made the move to call up Rasner and it's really going to help our chances of getting back into postseason contention.

I agree with your assessment of the situation.

[johnnypapa]

I hope this kid shows something tonight......anything that will make me think he can pitch in NY and is not a young Ed Whitson.

[johnnypapa]

Getting out of that bases loaded jam definitly showed me something. Kennedy is at 80 pitches at the bottom of the fifth.....be nice if the offense can put across a couple of runs to give him a chance to get the win. Or do they let him go another inning?