1969 Expansion Draft

[leecemark]

--The expansion draft will commence at 9PM EST, May 16. The first 9 rounds will be live. All expansion owners need to make arrangements to be present (or get a list at list 36 deep to someone who will be). Existing owners also need to either be there or have a proxy to someone (I will be available) for their pull backs. Draft order as follows;

Expansion Draft order

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Round 1
1) Sanket: Luis Tiant
2) KW: George Scott
3) BlB: Bill Stoneman
4) WCF: Ray Culp
Round 2
5) WCF: Bob Veale
6) BB: Pat Kelly
7) KW: Ken Brett
8) Sanket: Milt Pappas
Round 3
9) Sanket: Hoyt Wilhelm
10) KW: Pat Jarvis
11) BB: Jim Spencer
12) WCF" Al Kaline
End segment 1 - existing owners pull back 2 players each
Round 4:
13) WCF: Tim McCarver
14) BB: Al Downing
15) KW: Tom Murpy
16) Sanket: Degio Segui
Round 5
17) Sanket: Don McMahon
18) KW: Aurielo Rodriguez
19) BB: Dan Frisella
20) WCF: Micky Stanley
Round 6
21) WCF: Lou Pinella
22) BB: Bruce DalCanton
23) KW: Tony Taylor
24) Sanket: Jose Pagan
End segment 2 - pull back 2 more players
Round 7:
5) Sanket: Jim Maloney
26) KW: Mike Torrez
27) BlB: Ron Bryant
28) WCF: Jim Bunning
Round 8:
29 WCF: Eddie Brinkman
30) BB: George Mitterwald
31) KW: Vincent Romo
32) Sanket: Ron Taylor
Round 9
33) Sanket: Stan Williams
34) KW: Tommy Davis
35) BB: Dick Billings
36) WCF: Bob Humphreys
--pull back 2 players per team

Round 10
37) WCF: Gary Peters
38) BB: Chuck Dobson
39) KW: Rudy May
40) Sanket:Don Clendenon

Round 11
41) Sanket: Dennis Menke
42) KW: Bert Campaneris
43) BB: Ted Uhleader
44) WCF: Don Money

round 12
45) WCF: Cecil Upshaw
46) BB: Tom Burgmier
47) KW: Alan Foster
48) Sanket: Curt Belfary

round 13
49) Sanket: Lee Maye
50) KW: Bob Robertson
51) BB: Ted Uhleader
52) WCF: Hank Aguirre

round 14
53) WCF: Mike Fiore
54) BB: Horacio Pina
55) KW: Jim Hardin
56) Dude: JC Martin
Round 15
57) Dude: Dalton Jones
58) KW: Andy Kosco
59) BB; Rick Reichart
60) WCF: Ed Stroud

Round 16
61) WCF: Fred Beene
62) BB: Dick Kelly
63) KW: Frank Reberger
64) Dude: Dan McGinn

Round 17
65) Dude: Vern Fuller
66) KW: Mike Lum
67) BB: Ted Kubiak
68) WCF: Bubba Morton

Round 18
69) WCF: Ramon Hernandez
70) BB: Sandy Alomar
71) KW; George Brunet
72) Dude: Jim Fregosi

round 19
73) dude: Gene Brabender
74) KW: Deron Johnson
75) BB: Eddie Leon
76) WCF: Don Paveltich

round 20
77) WCF: Hal King
78) BB: Dennis Higgins
79) KW: Russ Gibson
80_ Dude: Adolpho Phillips

round 21)
81) Dude: Jim Lonborg
82) KW: Tom Helms
83) BB": Ron Swoboda
84) WCF: on clock til 5am EST, 5/24

Round 22
85) WCF: make up due
86) BB: Duffy Dyer
87) KW: Rick Renick
88) The Dude: Ed Sprague

Round 23
89) Dude: Hector Torres
90) KW: Jerry Nyman
91) BB: Gary Holman
92) WCF: Bobby Bolin

round 24
93) WCF: Chris Short
94) BB: Jeff James
95) KW: Al McBean
96) Dude: Darryl Patterson

round 25
97) Dude: Tom Kelly
98) KW: Cisco carlos
99) BB Gary Holman
100) WCF Dick Ellsworth

And we're done

[leecemark]

--Teams may make adjustments to their protected list until Midnight EST on Monday, May 13. Post those changes in this thread and I will adjust the list of available players accordingly.

Diablos Expansion Eligible

Knights Expansion eligible
RHSU John Purdin (750K, 64 draft)
RP: Dave Baldwin (1M, 1966 draft/trade with Legends

Cloverleafs Expansion Eligible
Jim Lefebrve 1,750,000 1965 D
Turk Farrell 2,500,000 1961 D
Tony Pierce 750,000 1967 D
Ron Willis 1,000,000 1966 D
Jerry May 5,000,000 1968-9 FA
Ken Berry 5,000,000 1968-69 FA

Angels Expansion Eligible
RP: Dick Ellsworth (4.50) (drafted 1961)

Badgers Expansion Eligible
Hershberger, Mike - 67-69 Free Agent - 1.000
Spangler, Al - 67-69 fa - .500

Lew's Legends
Expansion Draft Eligible
RP: Ron Kline - 1961 draft, 2.75M, YTY

Mac's Hard Cider
Expansion eligible
SP: Larry Jaster (1.5M) '65
RP: Cisco Carlos (750K) '67

Skipjacks Expansion Unprotected List


Gamblers Expansion Eligible_
RHP Gary Wagner (1.75m, 65 Draft)
1B Gary Holman (.50m 68 Draft)


Shoeless Joes Expansion Eligible

Redbirds Expansion Eligible
2B: Bobby Knoop (64 draft, 1.5M, signed through 69)


Gold Sox Expansion Eligible
Felipe Alou (5.00 1961)
Roy Face (2.25 1961)
Al Worthington (2.25 1961)

[leecemark]

--Attached are what I have for team rosters now. Protected players are listed as active and expansion eligible players as farmed. For those new to the CKL and/or DMB the ratings are poor (PR), fair (FR), average (AV), very good (VG) and excellent (EX).

[jkc32]

--Attached are what I have for team rosters now. Protected players are listed as active and expansion eligible players as farmed. For those new to the CKL and/or DMB the ratings are poor (PR), fair (FR), average (AV), very good (VG) and excellent (EX).

One mistake on the Shoeless roster. Cepeda is a keeper and Pena should be available to the expansion teams.

[catcher24]

Notification post.

[leecemark]

Ed, you need to clear up a few things here. For the free agent signees you have the year you signed them, but what is really of interest is the year their deal ends. Also, I think Fuentes was a draft choice, not a free agent, and I know Spangler was a free agent not a draft choice (67 is not his debut year). Please get these updated so the new owners know what they'd be getting from you.


Cater, Danny - 64 Draft - 1.000
Fuentes, Tito - 67 Free Agent - .500
Gibbs, Jake - 67 Free Agent - .250
Gibson, Josh - 67 Draft - .750
Hannan, Jim - 68 Free Agent - 1.500
Hershberger, Mike - 67 Free Agent - 1.000
Humphreys, Bob - 67 Free Agent - .250
Oyler, Ray - 67 Free Agent - .250
Pizarro, Juan - 67 Free Agent - .250
Short, Chris - 61 Draft - 12.000
Spangler, Al - 67 Draft - .500
Spencer, Jim - 68 Draft - .500
Taylor, Tony - 61 Draft - 2.500
Torres, Hector - 68 Draft - .500

[-Kyle-]

Gamblers trade their 2nd and 3rd Round pick this year to the Legends for Outfielder Art Shamsky and Secondbasemen Dick Green.

Please confirm, and the contracts are?

And jkc do you recall Hisle's and Reed's contract?

[leecemark]

--By my quick look at the expansion eligible list there are 75 players who are capable of full time or near full time in somebodies lineup or rotation this year. That is more than I expected and will allow all the expansion teams to field a team without having to go crazy in free agency or trade away future picks. Of course the bad news is that a number of those 75 are not guys you'd want playing full time.
--I count 118 players who I would be happy to have on my roster (15 of which actually are on my roster for the time being). Not all those players will contribute this year though.
--A few teams aren't going to lose much in this draft. I only see 3 Diablos and Angels, 4 Gamblers and 5 Badgers that I would take as a gift. The Legends, Skipjacks, Shoeless Joes, Redbirds and Gold Sox all have at least 11 players I like to have.

[leecemark]

Gamblers trade their 2nd and 3rd Round pick this year to the Legends for Outfielder Art Shamsky and Secondbasemen Dick Green.

Please confirm, and the contracts are?

And jkc do you recall Hisle's and Reed's contract?

--And the list is reduced to 74 and 116:)

[-Kyle-]

Sorry I am going crazy...meant to put that in the offseason thread.

[jkc32]

jkc do you recall Hisle's and Reed's contract?
Larry Hisle, 250K, drafted in 1968 so he can be kept through 1973
Ron Reed, 500K, drafted in 1966, keeper through 1971

[-Kyle-]

Thanks! And did they already get their pay raise this year?

[jkc32]

--By my quick look at the expansion eligible list there are 75 players who are capable of full time or near full time in somebodies lineup or rotation this year. That is more than I expected and will allow all the expansion teams to field a team without having to go crazy in free agency or trade away future picks. Of course the bad news is that a number of those 75 are not guys you'd want playing full time.
--I count 118 players who I would be happy to have on my roster (15 of which actually are on my roster for the time being). Not all those players will contribute this year though.
--A few teams aren't going to lose much in this draft. I only see 3 Diablos and Angels, 4 Gamblers and 5 Badgers that I would take as a gift. The Legends, Skipjacks, Shoeless Joes, Redbirds and Gold Sox all have at least 11 players I like to have.

I sifted through all the expansion hitters yesterday and was quite surprised at some of the players available. There are definately some good players the expansion GMs can build around. I haven't checked out the available pitchers yet but figure there are some keepers in that bunch too.

[jkc32]

Thanks! And did they already get their pay raise this year?
Reed got his...Hisle hasn't played so he didn't need one.

[buppers]

Please see roster on Roster Page. It has been updated in reply to Marks request.

Ed

[-Kyle-]

Please put Hisle, Reed, Green, and Shamsky on my protected list (once Lew confirms it) and take out Stoneman and Dal Canton (I had two open spots)

[catcher24]

Gamblers trade their 2nd and 3rd Round pick this year to the Legends for Outfielder Art Shamsky and Secondbasemen Dick Green.

Please confirm, and the contracts are?

And jkc do you recall Hisle's and Reed's contract?

Legends confirm this trade. Manager Gene Mauch was heard saying "I sure hope nothing happens to Morgan this season, or we could be sorry we traded Greenie away. I suspect one of the expansion teams might have taken him anyway, though..."

[catcher24]

I sifted through all the expansion hitters yesterday and was quite surprised at some of the players available. There are definately some good players the expansion GMs can build around. I haven't checked out the available pitchers yet but figure there are some keepers in that bunch too.

I agree, Joe. I was making a list to put up a post. Never got it finished, but if one of the new teams could cherry pick the top guys, it would be a pretty formidable team. There are a number of very good pitchers available as well. And then throw in a top free agent or two, and these teams could be at least competitive right away, and could contend in two or three seasons with judicious use of the rookie draft and/or trades.

[catcher24]

Mark - The Legends will make a change in their protected list. Sorry!:blush:

I've decided to protect Amos Otis and leave Lindy McDaniel exposed in the expansion draft. If that's a problem, let me know.

[leecemark]

--Changes may be made til midnight Monday.

[Hack_Miller]

I probably missed this somewhere in the rules so this may sound stupid....

I noticed there are several players who were drafted in 1961.
Are all of these players "franchise players" or were they drafted before the free agency rule?
In either case, what kind of contract are they signed to?

[leecemark]

--Players drafted in 1961 were subject to different free agent rules, which granted free agency to one player per team in each of the first 6 years. Those who survived that period without gaining free agency are now basically subject to the old reserve clause. They are on year to year deals and you can keep them as long as you are willing to give them their 250K raise each season. The first player drafted by each team was designated the franchise player and are on lifetime deals at 12M per season. That tag does not follow them if traded (Billy Williams and Hank Aaron have been - only 7 franchise players remain from 61).

[leecemark]

--The Knights add veteran infielder Dick McAuliffe to their protected list. Pitcher Casey Cox is now available in the expansion draft.

--3 1/2 hours till the expansion prtoected/draft eligible lists are locked in.

[catcher24]

--The Knights add veteran infielder Dick McAuliffe to their protected list. Pitcher Casey Cox is now available in the expansion draft.

Good move IMHO Mark. In my mind there is not much doubt he would've gone, although you have several very good players. Second base is a tough spot to get much offense out of, but Mac sure provides that. Did you think about it as much as I thought about Otis?:think:

Now that he's pulled back, if I were an expansion owner looking at your list I think I know who I'd take based on all factors, but we'll see who ends up leaving.

[leecemark]

--Secondbase was going to be a reasonably easy spot to fill this year. A couple promising rookies, several free agents and enough exposed guys (well before Green and McAuliffe got pulled back anyway) that a trade with an expansion owner seemed very doable. With Mac missing half of the 69 season, never being quite the same player (although still good) after and moderately expensive I thought Cox was more valuable this year.
-- Maybe that was correct, but I just couldn't let a player who was both a real life favorite as a kid and a key player in the Knights dynasty slip away to an expansion team . I didn't really waver on the decison until yesterday though. As much as I didn't want to let sentiment play a role in my protected list in the end it ruled the day.

[-Kyle-]

Everything looks good for the Gambla's.

[BlueBlood]

The Brawlers trade all of their expansion picks to the Knights in return for $10 million and 10% of concessions. Hey, don't judge, I'm running a business here.

And Question. What was the least amount of money spent on a championship team? Give me double and I bet I could take the trophy. :atthepc

[leecemark]

--I don't think anybody has built a champion on the cheap. We haven't really kept year by year payroll records, but I think the winners have all spent at least 80 of the 100 million cap.

[catcher24]

I know that my championship team in 1968 was the second largest payroll I've had to date - 92.5M. I won the division a couple of times with teams that had smaller payrolls. But even the lowest of my division winners' payrolls was the 1961 teams 82.75M.

[leecemark]

--The Diablos PMed me a change to their protected list. ElHalo is giving up the HTD on Rose to protect Don Cardwell and Joe Hoerner, who is also a 63 draftee and headed for free agency, is replaced by Eddie Fisher.

[mac195]

......................................

[leecemark]

--Okay the eligible pool in post #2 is official now. No player may be added to a protected list. Good luck to the new guys this Friday and beyond. Lets see what you can build out of this.

[BlueBlood]

Gaston never played in '68, so is his contract good through '73 or did '69 count and it's good through '72?

[Erik Bedard]

The Brawlers trade all of their expansion picks to the Knights in return for $10 million and 10% of concessions. Hey, don't judge, I'm running a business here.

And Question. What was the least amount of money spent on a championship team? Give me double and I bet I could take the trophy. :atthepc

I think I got to the playoffs in '64 on about 60M... with nearly two-thirds of that going to Brooks Robinson (18M), Willie Davis (10.5), and Johnny Callison (10).

[-Kyle-]

Willie Davis (10.5)

Willie Davis has made quite a lot of money. 10.5 with you...7.5 with me for 4 years...one of the richer players in this league.

[jkc32]

Gaston never played in '68, so is his contract good through '73 or did '69 count and it's good through '72?

Cito Gaston was drafted in 1967, and despite never playing in the 2 years he was on my roster, can only be kept through the 1972 season. Whether he plays or not doesn't matter...every season he is kept counts toward his 6 season limit.

BTW...Gaston has requested he not be drafted. He was comfortable on the Shoeless bench.

[BlueBlood]

Yeah, but I have a feeling he's going to want off the bench in 1970. Just a hunch.

Um, in another thread it said we should come up with a list of 36 players in case we can't attend the draft. However, if all 12 established teams are pulling back two players each after the first three rounds, that means most of the 36 that the expansion owners considered to be the cream of the crop will all be gone. After the sixth round, the same process happens all over again. This could mean, in essence, that we need lists over 72 picks deep just to get to the 7th round of the draft. If this is the case and my assumptions are not incorrect, is there any way there could be a bi-nightly draft for each three rounds? The current format would mean about a trillion agonizing hours for the expansion owners as they feebly try to rank everybody ("Is this guy 66th best or 71st?...ARGH!"). Or the exact opposite, it will just become a complete crap shoot and I'll type in a random player that sort of approximates that level of quality.

Ah, the remaining rounds are on an 8 hour clock. That buys some time I guess. So, you have eight hours to pick when it's your turn?

Heck, if I were an established owner, this part would be a walk-in-the-ball-park. I'd just rank everyone eligible from 1 to whatever and have the remaining ones automatically be pulled back after each set of three rounds.

Also, what's confusing is that a poster in the general discussion thread said that each team would lose a player every three rounds. Technically, couldn't the expansion owners take 12 from one team in a three round stretch? Or, if I have the twelfth pick, do I only have one team to choose it from?

[leecemark]

--For the live draft each team will lose only 1 player per 3 rounds before the first pull back opportunity. So yes, the person who picks 12th will have only one team to pick from. They would also have the next pick though and would be able to select from any of the 12 teams with that pick. The downside, of course, is that each of the existing teams would have pulled 2 players back. You are also correct about the number of players you need on your list for Friday. 36 players will be selected, but 48 players will be pulled back (24 after the third round and 24 more after the sixth). So your list would have to go 84 deep.
--After the 9 live rounds on Friday the draft will move to an 8 hour clock. It will continue until either each team has 25 players or the expansion pool is emptied. You can not opt out short of 25 with players still available. Which may mean drafting a bad contract or worse player, but such is the lot of an expansion franchise.
--I have not heard from any expansion owners that being here Friday night will be a problem. Hopefully that means you will all be ready to go. If you can't be there please make sure you get a list to me or someone else you know will be. The draft will proceed regardless of turnout. If I have to pick for anyone, who has not provided a list, you will get the highest salaried player available each pick I am filling in for you.
--Existing owners need to either be present or have submitted a pull back list to me or someone you are sure will be there to act for you. There will be a 5 minute opportunity after rounds 3, 6 and 9 for you to pull back 2 players each time. If you or your proxy are not there to pull players back the draft will continue with your expansion eligible list intact . I'm sure the new guys wil appreciate as many no shows as possible;).

[BlueBlood]

--After the 9 live rounds on Friday the draft will move to an 8 hour clock. It will continue until either each team has 25 players or the expansion pool is emptied. You can not opt out short of 25 with players still available. Which may mean drafting a bad contract or worse player, but such is the lot of an expansion franchise.

All of my worst fears realized. So, technically, we do have to rank everyone and need a crazy long list ready for Friday whether we're at the live draft or not because it would be just plain foolish to show up without a ranking system. I figured we'd all be non-competitive without factoring in the pullbacks, but man, this sure is an uphill battle especially if we have to fork out ludicrous sums for free agent busts which in turn give us far less money for the rest of the FA crop. Don't get me wrong, this is all incredibly fun and a nice time-killer, but it's kind of weird that my would-be #1 pick could elude me because someone who had them at #29 on their list decides to draft from the same team. Granted, there's gotta be players of similar quality across the twelve teams...:atthepc

[leecemark]

--Granted it is alot to take on by Friday. Unless you are trying to put together a team to compete this season (and this season only) most of the guys picked in the expansion draft will prove to be just roster filler while you are trying to build your team though. There are some good players available but they are mostly a year away from free agency (or their last good year) and/or on bad contracts. There aren't many players who are going to be helping their new teams 3 and 4 years down the road.

[buppers]

Hey, Blueblood. I'll trade you the Badgers for your expansion team right now:evil

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[Hack_Miller]

I noticed in the off-season thread a trade between the Angels and Gamblers involving Randy Hundley who is currently listed as expansion eligible on the Angels roster. I can't tell for sure if this trade has been approved but if so does this now mean Hundley is expansion eligible for expansion on the Gamblers roster?
The scenario I'm looking at is, say someone drafts Hundley, does this take the Angels or the Gamblers eligible players off the table for those rounds after the pick?

[leecemark]

--Hudley is still expansion eligible, but as a Gambler not an Angel. I'll get that corrected in the expansion pool post. Thanks for the reminder.

[catcher24]

Hey, Blueblood. I'll trade you the Badgers for your expansion team right now:evil

Ed - Buppers Badgers

Ed, what would I possibly do in the Hulbert next season if you aren't managing the bedraggled Badgers?:p Who, incidentally, gave the Legends all they could handle all season long!;)

[catcher24]

All of my worst fears realized. So, technically, we do have to rank everyone and need a crazy long list ready for Friday whether we're at the live draft or not because it would be just plain foolish to show up without a ranking system. I figured we'd all be non-competitive without factoring in the pullbacks, but man, this sure is an uphill battle especially if we have to fork out ludicrous sums for free agent busts which in turn give us far less money for the rest of the FA crop. Don't get me wrong, this is all incredibly fun and a nice time-killer, but it's kind of weird that my would-be #1 pick could elude me because someone who had them at #29 on their list decides to draft from the same team. Granted, there's gotta be players of similar quality across the twelve teams...:atthepc

You should've been around when we did the original league draft back in 1961 (about two and a half years now, isn't it Mark? November of 2005 I believe). Try to decide which player you'll take with your first pick (who will automatically become your Franchise Player), then rate all the other players to 40 deep per team! :nosleep: But I have to say, it sure was fun!!:nod:

[catcher24]

Just a quick note - if any owner needs someone to help with pullbacks or a draft list, I expect to be present Friday for the duration. I'd be happy to help anyone out who may need it.

[Erik Bedard]

I know I'll be late. I'll review my eligible players and send you a pullback list.

[buppers]

Ed, what would I possibly do in the Hulbert next season if you aren't managing the bedraggled Badgers?:p Who, incidentally, gave the Legends all they could handle all season long!;)

And since I'll be drafting (mostly) before you for a few years, I SHOULD improve on the 10-14 record vs. Legends in '68. Thats if we keep unbalanced schedule.

On another note, how do I go about renaming team "Beleaguered Badgers"? If I can get new name approved before start of '69 I can reap benefits of selling all new Jerseys to our rabid fans.

Ed - Beleaguered owner of Bedraggled Badgers (Warning alliteration WILL continue and get a lot worse :laugh )

[leecemark]

--If you want that to be your official name its no problem to make the switch. I'm guessing you'll still be at least somewhat bedraggled for at least another season anyway, although escaping the cellar is definately within your reach.

[buppers]

--If you want that to be your official name its no problem to make the switch. I'm guessing you'll still be at least somewhat bedraggled for at least another season anyway, although escaping the cellar is definately within your reach.

I DO want the name change but..... it feels like I'm having more fun campaigning for the name change than I will probably have in getting the change. Does that make ANY sense?


Meanwhile, will be looking up more synonyms :pray:

Ed

[catcher24]

Ed - Beleaguered owner of Bedraggled Badgers (Warning alliteration WILL continue and get a lot worse

:laugh:nod::D:laugh

[catcher24]

Guys, just a straw poll, but I'm looking for some opinions. I've been working on changing the design of the web site on and off for a while. I have designed a new home page, but I have also done a slight update to the old to reflect the new league set up. If you get a chance, check them out quick and let me know which design you think works best. Most of the links on the old site will work fine; not as much on the new site will work, although some of the links will work.

BTW, from the new website link to the Legends home page. I hope to eventually have a similar page for each team, but this phase is just beginning. Any comments, ideas or suggestions will be taken under consideration.

New site (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/newwebsite/)

Current site (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/)

[jkc32]

Guys, just a straw poll, but I'm looking for some opinions. I've been working on changing the design of the web site on and off for a while. I have designed a new home page, but I have also done a slight update to the old to reflect the new league set up. If you get a chance, check them out quick and let me know which design you think works best. Most of the links on the old site will work fine; not as much on the new site will work, although some of the links will work.

BTW, from the new website link to the Legends home page. I hope to eventually have a similar page for each team, but this phase is just beginning. Any comments, ideas or suggestions will be taken under consideration.

New site (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/newwebsite/)

Current site (http://www.geocities.com/lougehrig24/)

I like the new site much better...clean and simple. Not sure about the pink though. :laugh

[jterry619]

I like the new site much better...clean and simple. Not sure about the pink though. :laugh



Much cleaner....scratch the pink..makes me want to take Pepto Bismol...and I hate PB..ha!

[The Dude]

Quick question;

Those drafted before 1963, that are picked in the expansion draft, how long are they locked in for, for the expansion team?

[leecemark]

--Players drafted in 1961, provided they have not previously been free agents, are on year to year open ended deals. All players drafted in 1962 were free agents after 1967 and their contracts vary. Whatever term they were signed for, which should be indicated in the expansion eligible list.

[BlueBlood]

New site is easier to navigate but I prefer the old one because it has these big, clunky Sega Genesis sort of images. I can't peel my eyes away!

[BlueBlood]

Andy Kosco is listed twice by the Angels...don't know whether or not that's a violation although I'm sure it's an oversight.

The Diablos only have seven eligibles.

Round 1-3: Diablos lose a player (1)
Post-Rounds: Diablos pull back two players (2-3)
Round 4-6: Diablos lose a player (4)
Post-Rounds: Diablos pull back two players (5-6)
Round 7-9: Diablos lose a player (7)
Post-Rounds: Diablos pull back nobody? Pullbacks are finished?

So, technically, whoever has 36th pick automatically receives the remaining expansion eligible member of the Diablos, no?

Other question, after the pullbacks have been completed for Friday, they're done altogether, right? Does this leave expansion GM's in the clear to draft from whichever team they please?

Gibson, Josh - 67-69 Draft - .750

? Who is this supposed to be?

[buppers]

Josh Gibson should be Russ Gibson

Ed

[-Kyle-]

No its really the Hall of Fame catcher...we just make stats every year.

[Erik Bedard]

In going over my pullback list, I noticed that Mike Shannon (1.25, 67-69) is also eligible for the expansion draft.

[leecemark]

--The pullbacks will continue, but switch to a one for one after tonight's live draft. The restrictions on which teams to pick form are also only for tonight and there will be no pauses for pullbacks once we switch to the 8 hour clock. There could be a run on one team where they lose players for 3-4 picks in a row and if that owner is not on line they would just have to catch up on pull backs later.
--The Diablos simply don't have very many players under contract. El Halo has said he won't be taking full advantage of the pullbacks though. If he did though and the Diablos were the last team to be picked from in round 9 then yes you would have to take the last player from that squad.

[BlueBlood]

OF: Al Ferrera (500K, 1968-70)

Doesn't show on B-R.

[leecemark]

Try FerrArar

[BlueBlood]

Thanks.

40 more players to go. *sigh*

[Sockeye]

Going out of town for dinner with my wife for our anniversary. It's not til may 22nd but we are celebrating it with dinner this evening. I'll try to be back by 9 PM but if not I left my pullback list with Mark just in case.

[leecemark]

--Happy Anniversary Garry. Have a great time and don't feel like tohave to cut things short toget back to us.

[catcher24]

Going out of town for dinner with my wife for our anniversary. It's not til may 22nd but we are celebrating it with dinner this evening. I'll try to be back by 9 PM but if not I left my pullback list with Mark just in case.

Enjoy, take your time. Mark has your list, and there are some things more important than the CKL!;)

[BlueBlood]

Enjoy, take your time. Mark has your list, and there are some things more important than the CKL!;)

Winning the CKL?

[catcher24]

Thanks for the replies Joe, Joe and Blueblood. Getting rid of the pink should not be a problem. I'll make a quick change and upload it. I will also have the Legends team page finished sometime tonight (I hope) so everyone can get a better idea of what I'm doing there. Another question, though, for everyone after they've checked out the Legends page: I'm torn between choosing just a team MVP and listing his stats, or using two columns and choosing a Top Batter and Top Pitcher, but without stats (not enough room). Which do you guys prefer?

And incidentally, I'll be giving each owner the opportunity to choose their yearly top player(s). All the season stats can be found in the encyclopedia and I'd much prefer to have the team owner do it than for me to do each one.

[jkc32]

I'm torn between choosing just a team MVP and listing his stats, or using two columns and choosing a Top Batter and Top Pitcher, but without stats (not enough room). Which do you guys prefer?

For me, listing the player (hitter/pitcher), year, and award is enough. If I want to see the stats I can go to the Encyclopedia page. However, since you're the one who has to do the Website updating, do whatever makes most sense to you Lew.

[BlueBlood]

Go with Player/Pitcher and no stats. We can look up the stats on our own.

[catcher24]

That is the direction I was leaning, so maybe I'll make that change while I'm finishing off the career and yearly leaders. Thanks for the input.

Mark, sorry about all this.:o I probably should've posted this in the off season thread. Let me request anyone who wishes to post any more replies, please do so in the off seasons thread and I'll repost my questions and the links there.;)

[catcher24]

Winning the CKL?

Welll.......:p;)

[BlueBlood]

I sent my draft list to the Commish although I plan to show for the draft. It's pretty close to what I want (you know, minus good players)....there's probably an adequate starter or two that I forgot to list and the Badgers or somebody had some relievers that pitch pretty good for like one future season that I may have underlisted or forgot to add.

Actually, I was surprised at the pitching talent available, particularly relievers and some future great starters. :applaud:

K, here's who was most on my main draft list that went like 117 picks deep or something:

Redbirds (19)
Skipjacks (16)
Legends (15) - Best all around quality, imo.
Gold Sox (12)
Knights (11)
Cloverleafs (10)
Shoeless Joes (9)
Gamblers (6)
Angels (7)
Mac's Hard Cider (6)
Badgers (4)
Diablos (1)

[jaybird_1981]

I am really looking forward to watching this unfold tonight. Think I may stick around for awhile!

Jason

[J W]

Hi Jason, I'm Jason but you can call me JW. And now everyone knows why :D

Skipjacks reporting...

[catcher24]

Legends (15) - Best all around quality, imo.

Thanks for the compliment. And that's after I traded Dick Green, who has a huge season at 2nd base in 1969, and Art Shamsky who has very good seasons in both 1969 and 1970. And now if you all would kindly leave my players alone during this draft.....:p:laugh

[catcher24]

Legends are here and ready to have our hearts broken. I also have pullback lists for the Gold Sox (Dan had a game and will be a bit late) and the Shoeless Joes (Joe may make it on time).

[BlueBlood]

BlueBlood is here for the time being and plans to remain through the duration.

[buppers]

Should we post our pullbacks when player from our team is taken? Or wait till all teams pick.

Ed

[Windy City Fan]

The Thunder is here!

[BlueBlood]

Should we post our pullbacks when player from our team is taken? Or wait till all teams pick.

Ed

After all teams pick, I hope. Then we can have tension during each draft round and after every three. :party:

[sanket]

I'm here... (if you needed me to check in)

[Hack_Miller]

I'm here too...

[BlueBlood]

I'm sick of waiting. I quit. Who wants my team/draft list? *

* I was going to draft like 23 catchers anyway.

[catcher24]

Remember, the first pick will be at 9 PM Baseball Fever time, which is normally about nine minutes slow by my watch. Getting close now, who will be first to go?:sorry:

[BlueBlood]

Remember, the first pick will be at 9 PM Baseball Fever time, which is normally about nine minutes slow by my watch. Getting close now, who will be first to go?:sorry:

I think Legends/Knights will be the #1 and #2 picks for each set of three rounds. I think The Diablos will be the last choice in all three rounds. No idea which player will go first because there's four distinct options:

1) Wanting to win big now, someone drafts a pitcher with a tremendous 1969

2) Wanting to win big now, someone drafts a player with a tremendous 1969

3) Wanting a solid hitter, someone drafts as such

4) Wanting a solid pitcher, someone drafts as such

That doesn't even count great hitters at weak positions (C, 2B, SS) which have an extra inflated value because it's hard to find someone who is a league average hitter to fufill such duties. First picks could go any which way and I wouldn't be surprised if someone at #22 on my list was the very first selection.

[leecemark]

--all the expansion owners are here, so sanket can go ahead and pick. pullbacks are t the end of round 3. each team will lose 1 player during the first 3 rounds.

[catcher24]

I think Blueblood is right. It will most certainly be an interesting evening.....:nosleep:

[J W]

Well, that's why you make sure you have the depth to get through it, right Lew?

The other way of course is like the Diablos... no loss if there's nothing there, retool the farm system after expansion.

[BlueBlood]

Man, this would be so much easier with a chat. Keep that in mind for future drafts. :think:

[Windy City Fan]

Do we have a clock for these picks?

[sanket]

How long do I have to pick?

[BlueBlood]

How long do I have to pick?

Time's up. My turn.

[leecemark]

--I would hope you'd have your first pick ready. Lets try and keep this moving at a good pace, thanks.

[BlueBlood]

*waits while Sanket looks through the entire expansion list on B-R, one-by-one*

[leecemark]

--This is not a good start. The Wranglers may pick now.

[sanket]

*waits while Sanket looks through the entire expansion list on B-R, one-by-one*

Oh...

I'll have to apologize for the fact that you don't have anything better to do than look through a ****load of baseball players and search for the best one throughout the week. I'll also have to apologies for having a wife and a child.

My bad, guys.

[Hack_Miller]

As the Wranglers were prepared to pick 2nd we will probably feel stupid for this pick but I'm taking

Joe Rudi.

[BlueBlood]

nm. I'll wait until I'm called to go unless sanket lost their first pick.

[leecemark]

Oh...

I'll have to apologize for the fact that you don't have anything better to do than look through a ****load of baseball players and search for the best one throughout the week. I'll also have to apologies for having a wife and a child.

My bad, guys.

--Most of us have families and all of us have other commitments. Once you joined though it would have been nice if you prepared for it. This will take long enough if everyone is ready to go.

[mac195]

Oh...

I'll have to apologize for the fact that you don't have anything better to do than look through a shitload of baseball players and search for the best one throughout the week. I'll also have to apologies for having a wife and a child.

My bad, guys.
If that's how you feel about it, why on earth did you apply for an expansion franchise? I think we do have someone ready to step in.

[BlueBlood]

Guys, how about we hold off? If sanket's completely unprepared and someone's willing to step in and do the research in a few nights, we can move the draft to later, no?

I'd rather have an expansion team in the league that wasn't automatically forced to take expensive picks right away and find itself in dead man's land than I would get extra high picks in this draft.

[leecemark]

--Go ahead Blueblood. Are you going to be able to do this Sanket or should we go with our backup?

[Windy City Fan]

Blue Blood, you're on the clock now. Sanket can make his pick whenever he is ready.

[sanket]

I'll take Luis Tiant.

[BlueBlood]

Brawlers will go with Bill Stoneman from the Gamblers.

[leecemark]

--Sanket the Legends have already lost a player and are off limts until after every team has lost one.

[Windy City Fan]

Ray Culp and Bob Veale

[J W]

*EDIT* nevermind, mistook something

[Hack_Miller]

Guys he had 1st pick and if he wants Tiant, I'll pick someone else.

[sanket]

--Sanket the Legends have already lost a player and are off limts until after every team has lost one.

How can they have lost a player if I have the first pick...?

[buppers]

We have to get this fixed fast - otherwise one team will be woefully weak.

[sanket]

Guys he had 1st pick and if he wants Tiant, I'll pick someone else.

Oh, I didn't see that you picked... I'm sorry =/ I had a list ready but ran through my top ten guys again...

[buppers]

Proposal - if Sanhet is not ready we should postpone expansion draft till he is ready or we find someone else

[catcher24]

As the Wranglers were prepared to pick 2nd we will probably feel stupid for this pick but I'm taking

Joe Rudi.

I had him pegged as my top man to go. Hate to lose him. Good luck with him, too.

[BlueBlood]

Guys he had 1st pick and if he wants Tiant, I'll pick someone else.

Not after we revealed our picks....and you shouldn't be knocked down because of that. Let's just move on if we're going to continue. It's either, scrap this while it's early or let one team be abysmal.

[leecemark]

Guys he had 1st pick and if he wants Tiant, I'll pick someone else.


--That is very generous of you.
--everyone the clock will be 2 minutes and I'd appreciate it if most picks were made even quicker.

[sanket]

Guys... I'm ready... chill out... I just wanted to make sure I got the most out of my first pick.

[catcher24]

He can have Tiant if I can pull back four players....:laugh

And I hesitate to do this but feel compelled - we do need to stop for at least a few minutes to straighten out what we'll do here. If Sanket is ready and able, let's go ahead. If not, perhaps we should wait in all fairness to whoever might end up with the team.

[J W]

*EDIT* nevermind again -- slow trigger tonight

[Hack_Miller]

--That is very generous of you.
--everyone the clock will be 2 minutes and I'd appreciate it if most picks were made even quicker.

So should I pick again or are we waiting for Sanket to pick?

[buppers]

I gave up POKER night for this?????:shrug:

[BlueBlood]

I want sanket to actually give his list to one of the established owners right now. No offense man, but I don't want someone just randomly picking players and taking forever at the same time.

[jkc32]

By my count we are waiting for Sanket to make the last pick of the 1st round.

[leecemark]

the Wranglers have a makeup pick and then BB is up. lets gets this thing on track.

[catcher24]

He's still welcome to Tiant if I can pull back four....

[BlueBlood]

the Wranglers have a makeup pick and then BB is up. lets gets this thing on track.

Where's the Wranglers makeup pick? Oh got it, "have" as in "needs to happen"

[J W]

Disagree Blueblood... and I doubt that Jason has prepared anything either since he didn't need to (unless you have Jason?)

LEW! Stoppit! :laugh

[jkc32]

He's still welcome to Tiant if I can pull back four....

Not a chance:p

[Hack_Miller]

I'll take George Scott with the 2nd pick of the 1st round...I think???

[jterry619]

Sanket will be picking a player in the second round that will be traded to the Cloverleafs as a result of a trade ...he does have my list...

[catcher24]

Guys... I'm ready... chill out... I just wanted to make sure I got the most out of my first pick.

OK, he's ready. Let's give him a couple minutes to take his first pick, then move along.

[sanket]

I'm completley lost... what is going on? I already made my pick... Luis Tiant...

[BlueBlood]

I get more confused with each post, lol. He wanted Tiant and a next first round choice has been made. I can do mine, no?

[jaybird_1981]

Disagree Blueblood... and I doubt that Jason has prepared anything either since he didn't need to (unless you have Jason?)

LEW! Stoppit! :laugh



I wish I had! I could probably pull something together quickly though.

[catcher24]

Guys, slow down a minute. Sanket says he's ready, let's give him a chance. Mark, what are the picks up to this point?

[Windy City Fan]

Here is what we have so far. BlueBlood is on the clock now.

1 – Luis Tiant (Legends)
2 – George Scott (Skipjacks)
3 – Bill Stoneman (Gamblers)
4 – Ray Culp (Redbirds)
5 – Bob Veale (Gold Sox)

[BlueBlood]

Got it. K, let me make my choice...

BlueBlood goes with Pat Kelly from The Cloverleafs.

[leecemark]

1) Sanket - Tiant
1) Hack - Scott (graciously gave up Rudi)
1) Blueblood - Stoneman
1) WCF - Culp
2) WCF - Veale
2) BB - ?
2) Hack -
2) Sanket
3) Sanket

--everybody on the same page now?

[catcher24]

Thanks for that list, WCF. So I've lost Tiant rather than Rudi? A big break for me, IMHO!:applaud:

[catcher24]

Good, thanks Mark. Appreciate it.

[BlueBlood]

Thanks for that list, WCF. So I've lost Tiant rather than Rudi? A big break for me, IMHO!:applaud:

Tell me about it, lordy! Sure he was first to go on the other three lists including my own.

[jkc32]

Thanks for that list, WCF. So I've lost Tiant rather than Rudi? A big break for me, IMHO!:applaud:

I'd agree...figured Rudi would go top 2. Great potential pullback.

[buppers]

Never mind

[BlueBlood]

Chose Pat Kelly in a post I edited above yours, leecemark, btw.

[catcher24]

Nope, Tiant's mine as well, so I'm good until the first pullback - and Mr. Rudi will be on it!

[Hack_Miller]

1) Sanket - Tiant
1) Hack - Scott (graciously gave up Rudi)
1) Blueblood - Stoneman
1) WCF - Culp
2) WCF - Veale
2) BB - Kelly
2) Hack - Ken Brett
2) Sanket
3) Sanket

--everybody on the same page now?

Wranglers take Ken Brett

[buppers]

Keep the sarcasm to a minimum please

[mac195]

Nobody wants any of my players? I'm crushed.

[leecemark]

Hack.............

[buppers]

Hack took Ken Brett

[Hack_Miller]

Hack.............

I took Brett...Sanket is on the clock for 2....

[catcher24]

Hack.............

Was Brett yours, Mark? He wouldn't have been one of my top two for you to lose.

[leecemark]

--Thats 2 to you Sanket.

[sanket]

Milt Pappas

[leecemark]

Pappas and......................

[BlueBlood]

Milt Pappas

My #1 from the Angels. Nice job.

[sanket]

Hoyt Wilhelm

[buppers]

Keep the sarcasm to a minimum please

Hey Mark, did you edit this post?

[catcher24]

Hoyt Wilhelm

Shoeless ain't gonna be happy with that one...

[J W]

Pappas was a good pick. Wilhelm for some strange reason has never lived up to real life in the sim. Him and Bob Gibson. :shrug:

[jterry619]

You my friend just went on my trade embargo list...you were supposed to take your second rounder from the list I sent to honor our trade agreement....you just dumped in your soup bowl!

[Hack_Miller]

Wranglers take Pat Jarvis.

[Windy City Fan]

Pappas and Wilhelm were my top picks for both teams.

[sanket]

Pappas was a good pick. Wilhelm for some strange reason has never lived up to real life in the sim. Him and Bob Gibson. :shrug:

Lol, oh God

[jkc32]

Shoeless ain't gonna be happy with that one...

Actually, that's ok. His salary was too high and it allows me to keep Gaston who has long-term potential.

[buppers]

Hey JW, why you edit my post?:grouchy

[jterry619]

You my friend just went on my trade embargo list...you were supposed to take your second rounder from the list I sent to honor our trade agreement....you just dumped in your soup bowl!
__________________

[sanket]

You my friend just went on my trade embargo list...you were supposed to take your second rounder from the list I sent to honor our trade agreement....you just dumped in your soup bowl!

None the players you sent me were available. Some weren't even on the list.

[BlueBlood]

Wranglers take Pat Jarvis.

ARGGGGHHHHH!

Brawlers will go with Matty Alou from The Redbirds.

[J W]

Hey Mark, did you edit this post?

I did. Not reporting or anything... I just want to keep the draft going as smoothly as possible.

[catcher24]

Ray Culp and Bob Veale

Dan will be thrilled with this pick - really!

[Windy City Fan]

Redbirds have already lost a player (Ray Culp). Need to pick from the Baders or Diablos.

[jterry619]

None the players you sent me were available. Some weren't even on the list.


Check your friggin list again....and if that is true the courtsey of an email would have been nice....forget it

[Hack_Miller]

ARGGGGHHHHH!

Brawlers will go with Matty Alou from The Redbirds.

I think Culp came from the Redbirds....

[catcher24]

Actually, that's ok. His salary was too high and it allows me to keep Gaston who has long-term potential.

OK, you're here Joe, so I won't worry about your pullbacks unless I hear different from you.

[leecemark]

BB, WCF and then the first round of pullbacks. The Badgers and Diablos are the only rosters not yet picked from.

[BlueBlood]

Redbirds have already lost a player (Ray Culp). Need to pick from the Baders or Diablos.

My bad, notes mixup. I'll go with Jim Spencer from The Badgers.

[sanket]

Check your friggin list again....and if that is true the courtsey of an email would have been nice....forget it

Checked it about four times. I was on the clock... didn't have any time to resend you a message... How about 2nd round rookie draft pick and 4th round rookie draft pick for Sutton?

[Windy City Fan]

Al Kaline of the Diablos. And now owners need to do pullbacks.

[leecemark]

Okay that gives you the chance to pick the lesser of evils off the Diablos, Craig.

[buppers]

Badgers pull back
Danny Cater and Juan Pizarro

Ed

[jkc32]

The Shoeless Joe's pullback Dick Hall (RP) and Cito Gaston (OF).

[sanket]

Diablos expansion list talent softttttttttttt lol everyone but kaline sucks

[leecemark]

Knights: Casey Cox and Jim Roland
Redbirds: Maury Wills and Jerry Grote
Angels: Willie Crawford and Steve Kealey

[catcher24]

The Legends pull back Joe Rudi and Lindy McDaniel.

[catcher24]

The Gold Sox pull back Stan Bahnsen and Moe Drawbowsky.

[mac195]

Hard Cider: Bill Sudakis and Steve Hargan

[jterry619]

Mark...just pull back the guys from my list.

[J W]

Rough... but the Skipjacks will pull back

- Bob Miller
- Curt Flood (and his salary... hey, can't argue with EX-EX)

[leecemark]

--Hope the second segment goes smoother and quciker than the first
WCF
BB
KW
S
S
KW
BB
WCF
WCF
BB
KW
S

[leecemark]

Mark...just pull back the guys from my list.

That would be Johnny Briggs and Ed Herrmann

[Windy City Fan]

By my count we need the Diablos and Gamblers pullbacks still.

[catcher24]

Draft resumes at 6:55

That's Mark's time. It would be 9:55 East Coast time.

[catcher24]

By my count we need the Diablos and Gamblers pullbacks still.

Maybe with the group they have exposed they don't care..;)

[BlueBlood]

Maybe with the group they have exposed they don't care..;)

I think every expansion owner wants The Diablos to pull them all back. :p

[Windy City Fan]

Well my pick isn't from the Gamblers or the Diablos (I know shocker) so I'm gonna post it anyway.

Tim McCarver of the Knights!

[BlueBlood]

Well my pick isn't from the Gamblers or the Diablos (I know shocker) so I'm gonna post it anyway.

Tim McCarver of the Knights!

Heh, my #1 from the Knights. Shocked it lasted this long.

Brawlers take Al Downing from The Legends.

[leecemark]

--ELHalo indicated he probably wuldn't pull back anyone. Kyle is not here and apparently does have a listy with anyone. Lets get going with segment 2.

[jterry619]

If you will check my list u will see McCarver and Spencer were on the list....thanks!

[Hack_Miller]

Wranglers take Tom Murphy from the redbirds

[leecemark]

--Two to you Sanket

[catcher24]

Brawlers take Al Downing from The Legends.

Drats! :grouchy I knew I should've pulled him back instead of McDaniel. He was next on my list.

[mac195]

This is easily the most enthusiastic draft ever in this league. We've even got extended trash talking... definately a first for us. We've gone big time. :cool:

[jaybird_1981]

Drats! :grouchy I knew I should've pulled him back instead of McDaniel. He was next on my list.


Yeah Dowling has a nice year in 71' huh? And if I was an expansion team I would shoot for competing in that third year.

[leecemark]

--Sanket's clock is expired. Take 2 when you get to it.
--You may go ahead KW

[buppers]

Unfortunately, my trash talking is being monitored:disbelief:

Have to control myself. But that alright, I'm :cool:

Ed

[sanket]

Diego Segui
Don McMahon

[mac195]

.......... Hallelujah!

[J W]

I think I need to make a correction: Ken Harrelson appears to be a free agent? Drafted in '63? If so he is ineligible.

Sorry

[Erik Bedard]

Dan will be thrilled with this pick - really!

The Gold Sox pull back Stan Bahnsen and Moe Drawbowsky.

I have never been that happy to lose a player. :party:

Lew, I'm assuming you've figured out that I'm here now. My game was rained out, but I got free tickets to the O's-Nats game (Matt Albers + Jim Johnson = best middle relief combo in baseball!), so I went there instead. Back now, though.

[Hack_Miller]

Wranglers take Aurelio Rodriguez

[BlueBlood]

Whew. I misread something. Thought Matty Alou was like a few years sorta contact, instead there's one year left and it's really expensive. Wonder how that happened? Good thing I've picked up on that.

[Erik Bedard]

Kyle did indicate he would pull back Hundley at the first opportunity. Should we do that for him?

[buppers]

.......... Hallelujah!

Amen, brother

[J W]

Great game! Luke Scott w/ another HR. GREAT snare by Garrett Olson!

tangent over :D

[BlueBlood]

Yeah, Hundley should be pulled back for him. He went through all that trouble.

Brawlers will go with Danny Frisella from the Skipjacks.

[catcher24]

Yeah Dowling has a nice year in 71' huh? And if I was an expansion team I would shoot for competing in that third year.

Actually, McDaniel has better seasons for peak, but Downing is a bit more consistent over the same time period. McDaniel's 1970 season will help me a lot, though.

[Erik Bedard]

Dukes (or was it Milledge?) looked really, really upset when Olson caught that one. George Sherrill's entrance music is awesome. Teenage drinking, though, is not (more on that later in another thread).

[jaybird_1981]

Actually, McDaniel has better seasons for peak, but Downing is a bit more consistent over the same time period. McDaniel's 1970 season will help me a lot, though.


True but as an expansion team I would rather have the starter than the reliever, doesn't do you much good if you can't get a lead to him.

[mac195]

Amen, brother

When I traded for McMahon last year, I had imagined it getting toward the end of the expansion draft and me devising some clever inticement to lure a new owner into taking him... "Yeah, he's way overpriced, but it's only one year, and you've got lots of cap room!"

[leecemark]

--I think those who have suggested Hundley be pulled back for the Gamblers are correct. Consider him protected now.

[leecemark]

2 to you WCF

[Erik Bedard]

True but as an expansion team I would rather have the starter than the reliever, doesn't do you much good if you can't get a lead to him.

That was my thinking back in '64. Except I missed out on the top starters and settled for Tony Cloninger (which actually turned out pretty well).

[sanket]

When I traded for McMahon last year, I had imagined it getting toward the end of the expansion draft and me devising some clever inticement to lure a new owner into taking him... "Yeah, he's way overpriced, but it's only one year, and you've got lots of cap room!"

So I only get him for this one season?

[J W]

That's right. That's when his contract expires.

Of course the meat and potatos of any expansion team is the rookie draft. That's where you guys will truly build your teams; that and trades.

[Erik Bedard]

Or, if you're like me, you trade the rookie draft.

[jaybird_1981]

That was my thinking back in '64. Except I missed out on the top starters and settled for Tony Cloninger (which actually turned out pretty well).

Hmm ok interesting. I didn't get a chance to check the performance of all the players from the last expansion draft.

[sanket]

That's right. That's when his contract expires.

Of course the meat and potatos of any expansion team is the rookie draft. That's where you guys will truly build your teams; that and trades.

Yea... I've taken five pitchers so far lol... I don't like any of the hitters so far.

[leecemark]

--His contract expires after 69. On the bright side that will clear alot of cap space for bidding next year. I can't imagine he is a guy you'd want on a long term deal at over 10M a year.

[catcher24]

Or, if you're like me, you trade the rookie draft.

:laugh:laugh:nod:

[sanket]

--His contract expires after 69. On the bright side that will clear alot of cap space for bidding next year. I can't imagine he is a guy you'd want on a long term deal at over 10M a year.

Nah I guess not.

[Windy City Fan]

Mickey Stanley of the Shoeless Joes and Lou Pinella of the Gold Sox.

[Erik Bedard]

Hmm ok interesting. I didn't get a chance to check the performance of all the players from the last expansion draft.

That one was a bit different, as we also had the entire rosters of the 1961 Phillies, Senators, and A's to choose from. I made the playoffs the first year, and the Pirates (now Badgers) came close as well. The Stingers (now Cloverleafs) had a more long-term approach, but it hasn't really payed off too well.

[catcher24]

In case the expansion owners aren't aware (unabashed pitch here) - the Legends will have a LOT of extra talent after the draft and are always willing to trade some of our young talent future draft picks!:p

[jaybird_1981]

That one was a bit different, as we also had the entire rosters of the 1961 Phillies, Senators, and A's to choose from. I made the playoffs the first year, and the Pirates (now Badgers) came close as well. The Stingers (now Cloverleafs) had a more long-term approach, but it hasn't really payed off too well.

Cool I think I would try the long term approach too.

[leecemark]

--Okay segment two has gone better. BB, KW and Sanket before the next pullbacks

[Erik Bedard]

Mickey Stanley of the Shoeless Joes and Lou Pinella of the Gold Sox.

:dismay: that I drafted Piniella five years ago and I won't get a single PA out of him, but :party: because I can live without him.

[mac195]

In case the expansion owners aren't aware (unabashed pitch here) - the Legends will have a LOT of extra talent after the draft and are always willing to trade some of our young talent future draft picks!:p
Lew, you aren't allowed to go into rebuilding mode again until at least the mid '70s.

[BlueBlood]

Diablos, Gamblers and Badgers....hmm.

We'll go with Bruce Dal Canton of the Gamblers.

[J W]

We have!.... no, we don't have what the Legends have. Our peak was a bit earlier than them. :p

We do have this third baseman named Graig Nettles who'll be homeless for a while on our squad...

[Hack_Miller]

Wranglers take Tony Taylor of the Badgers....

[leecemark]

--While Sanket mulls over the dreaded Diablos options the rest of the owners can go ahead and post their 2nd round of pull backs.

[catcher24]

Lew, you aren't allowed to go into rebuilding mode again until at least the mid '70s.

I'm always in rebuilding mode, Mac!;)

[sanket]

LOL of course I'm left with the Diablos...

I'll take Jose Pagan.

[Erik Bedard]

Mike Shannon and Johnny Edwards get pulled back.

[catcher24]

Legends will pull back Abernathy and Locker.

[leecemark]

Knights: Sonny Seibert and Ken Suarez
Angels: Jim Holt and Willie Smith
Cloverleafs: Ollie Brown and Phil Regan
Redbirds: Joey Foy and Tom Pheobus
Shoeless Joes: Al ferrara and Andy Etchbarren