Proposed LA Football Stadium

[nymdan]

Los Angeles is trying to lure an NFL team to the city with this stadium.

Seems like a very innovative design. Nice to see architects try something new (which to some degree seems to happen a bit more with football stadiums than it does with baseball stadiums).

(Thread justification: The team would play here, rather than at the LA Coliseum, which has of course hosted baseball games. Maybe they'd play at the Coliseum until this place opens. It would be fun for the Dodgers to play an exhibition here, if/when it is built.)

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[placount]

do you think they could fit a baseball field in there?

[Kentucky Bomber]

It's certainly an interesting design, but I wondered when I saw it where they were going to put it. That's the kicker (no pun intended). The 15 years I lived in LA there was always the question of where to put the modern football stadium the town seemingly needed. The location these folks are proposing is 25 miles from downtown LA, which means 30 miles from the beach cities and about 35 miles from Santa Monica and the Valley. So your most likely users of the Stadium are an agonizing drive from the facility. It either won't fly, or they will find out very soon that if people didn't want to drive down to Anaheim to see the Rams, they surely won't drive out to the smog infested suburbs of San Bernardino to see whoever. After spending their weekdays living in their cars going to and from work the last thing Angelinos want to do on a Sunday is drive and drive and drive to a football stadium and get trapped in a parking lot.

The only probable solution, assuming LA wants NFL football, which isn't exactly clear, is to level the Coliseum and build on the site. And nobody wants to expend the time, effort and money, especially in our current recession.

[Yoda]

Those are some of the most over-the-top renderings I have ever seen.


I'm sure the LA crowd will love all the flashy colors and lights.

[Knick9]

ROFL :rofl:

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know the NFL was making theme parks to go along with their stadiums now! Call me crazy, but this looks like the NFL's version of Disney World!

The design is so over the top and unrealistic, it's painful. Not to mention, I know it would cost quite a bit of money to put all those features in.

But for baseball, no. I can't see a baseball field fitting in that proposed place anytime soon. We got the Coliseum for crazy exhibition games. ;)

[nymdan]

It's certainly an interesting design, but I wondered when I saw it where they were going to put it. That's the kicker (no pun intended). The 15 years I lived in LA there was always the question of where to put the modern football stadium the town seemingly needed. The location these folks are proposing is 25 miles from downtown LA, which means 30 miles from the beach cities and about 35 miles from Santa Monica and the Valley. So your most likely users of the Stadium are an agonizing drive from the facility. It either won't fly, or they will find out very soon that if people didn't want to drive down to Anaheim to see the Rams, they surely won't drive out to the smog infested suburbs of San Bernardino to see whoever. After spending their weekdays living in their cars going to and from work the last thing Angelinos want to do on a Sunday is drive and drive and drive to a football stadium and get trapped in a parking lot.

The only probable solution, assuming LA wants NFL football, which isn't exactly clear, is to level the Coliseum and build on the site. And nobody wants to expend the time, effort and money, especially in our current recession.

But is the distance/drive time as big of a deal as you're saying it is?

With a baseball stadium, location is SO important because you've got 81 home games, a good percentage of them during the week, so it needs to be in a good location where it's convenient for people to come to a game after work, etc.

For football, where the team is only play 8 home games a year, with at least 6 or 7 of them on a Sunday, a bit of a drive isn't a big deal.

Playing at the Meadowlands certainly hasn't hurt the Giants and Jets attendance.

[metfan13]

Oh look, they want to drop a football field in the middle of a shopping mall.

[Yoda]

I like how it's built into a hill.

What is this, Bag End?

[hofflalu]

It's also quite reminiscent of new Soldier Field, with the mammoth seating deck on one side and a wall of skyboxes on the other.

[donut726]

the design definitely looks like it's ripped off from soldier field.

also, what the heck, is there supposed to be a movie theater in the stadium....???

[Yoda]

I'm excited about "The Host"


:dance

[donut726]

best of all there's a playboy lounge right above the movie theater....:confused:

[RoastedPeanut]

Oddly enough, this sounds like the pitch from Xanadu.. Which, in all reality, has proven to be quite real since they're actually building it..

[Yoda]

best of all there's a playboy lounge right above the movie theater....:confused:


I hope the camera wanders up there during a game

[Lafferty Daniel]

I like how it's built into a hill.

It's almost like they're trying to build the Dodger Stadium of football. Big difference between Chavez Ravine and (gulp) City of Industry.

[Lafferty Daniel]

Those are some of the most over-the-top renderings I have ever seen.


I'm sure the LA crowd will love all the flashy colors and lights.

Haha, LA is filled with a bunch of moths and gnats.

[Yoda]

:rofl:

The renderings remmind me of Entourage for some reason.

[Lafferty Daniel]

the design definitely looks like it's ripped off from soldier field.

also, what the heck, is there supposed to be a movie theater in the stadium....???

In order to get these things built with public subsides, football teams are now realizing that they can profit from the stadium 365 days a year instead of the old school business model of 8+ games a year. Besides, this is the entertainment capital of the world, having a movie theatre on this site is inevitable. (Not like I'm going to use it.)

[Lafferty Daniel]

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Pink's hot dogs! Nice.

[Yoda]

I say screw all this crap and build a stadium in Vegas right on the strip. Make it a themed casino built around a stadium.


If I had the coin I'd get it done.


The only downside is that with the way NFL players conduct themselves there'd be strip club shootings every sunday.

[willisraverchk77]

the "over the top" renderings are obviously made to represent what the stadium would look like hosting a super bowl extravaganza. the architectural models are more subdued.

but it looks like the political shenanagans are taking place already. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-indust17apr17,0,6872059.story

[Mario Mendoza...HOF Lock]

Looks more like a place to be seen than a place to see a football game. Is that Playboy Club at the top going to have clothing optional hot tubs and private rooms? This may well become a reality in Second Life, but not in REAL life. More on par with those campy 1960's illustrations of people wearing jet packs to fly around.

[OBomb]

I think that of all the stadium proposals we've seen over the years to bring a team back to Los Angeles, this one has the best chance of becoming a reality. Stephen Roski, the billionaire who has developed the project, owns and controls the land on which this stadium would be built. He doesn't have to worry about encountering the preservationists who don't want the Rose Bowl touched, nor does he have to go through the bureaucracy at LA city hall to get something done at the Coliseum.

Now, who will occupy it? Roski is a close family friend of the Spanos family who owns my Chargers. Having said that, I am very skeptical (not in denial) that they Chargers would go up there. They've been trying to get a stadium deal done here for almost 6 years and have spent a lot of their own money developing proposals for a new stadium in San Diego. Their proposals have even changed dramatically, starting with a facility that would be built next to Qualcomm Stadium that would be partially funded by the city and the team. They are now looking at the city of Chula Vista in South Bay San Diego County and are in the middle of a study that will pick the best site for a stadium to be built on.

For more information on both the Roski proposal in LA and the ties to the Chargers stadium proposal here in San Diego, read this blog:

San Diego Stadium Watch (http://sdstadiumwatch.blogspot.com)

[jimmyjimjimz]

Honestly, I think it looks really nice.

I say screw all this crap and build a stadium in Vegas right on the strip. Make it a themed casino built around a stadium.


If I had the coin I'd get it done.


The only downside is that with the way NFL players conduct themselves there'd be strip club shootings every sunday.

HAHA yeah, that would be funny. The only thing is if there's a pro sports team in Vegas, no one would be able to bet on them. I think they should make it a casino/hotel/stadium, actually.

[Sean O]

Sweet mother of god, what the hell is that?

[placount]

i just dont understand american football stadium designs. there are hundreds of beautiful football (soccer) stadiums going up all over the world, and we want to make a place that seems to spread the fans as far as possible from the playing field.

[Astros]

:eek:

Let me guess, the upper deck will face the west so that the "suite hotel" looking structure (that takes up most of the space where a decent upper level could sit) doesn't get sun in their eyes.

Nothing trailblazing here. Overblown sponsorships. Vegas-style ads. What a zoo.

This football stadium proposal really just reinforces, in my opinion, how well the Los Angeles Dodgers have made Dodger Stadium fit the southern California style in a classy way.

[skobabe8]

It's also quite reminiscent of new Soldier Field, with the mammoth seating deck on one side and a wall of skyboxes on the other.

My first thought too. The seating bowls are very similar.

[64Cards]

Looks like a lot of bad end zone seats.:eek:

[Kentucky Bomber]

But is the distance/drive time as big of a deal as you're saying it is?

With a baseball stadium, location is SO important because you've got 81 home games, a good percentage of them during the week, so it needs to be in a good location where it's convenient for people to come to a game after work, etc.

For football, where the team is only play 8 home games a year, with at least 6 or 7 of them on a Sunday, a bit of a drive isn't a big deal.

Playing at the Meadowlands certainly hasn't hurt the Giants and Jets attendance.

I speak from 15 years of living in LA. They will not drive to Pomona. Just to check, I told my wife, who lived in LA from childhood about it and she was even more stupified that anybody would build in Pomona than I was. It's just another pipedream.

Remember when Al Davis was going to move into a stadium in Irwindale? You probably don't; Al convinced a bunch of doofusses in the industrial suburb of Irwindale that he would move into their stadium before they broke ground (it was to be located in the site of a quarry) if they paid him an irrevocable fee of something like $20 million. They gave him the cash and something like a year later he moved the team back to Oakland, when Oakland agreed to remodel the Coliseum.

Pro football manuevering in LA is an ongoing joke.

[BigMac1212]

i just dont understand american football stadium designs. there are hundreds of beautiful football (soccer) stadiums going up all over the world, and we want to make a place that seems to spread the fans as far as possible from the playing field.

Uh, as an American, the Soccer designs are usually boring, just like the game. Plus, most REQUIRES a roof of some sort. That usually takes away some origianallity and, dare I say, beauty.

There's nothing wrong with American football stadiums.

[placount]

Uh, as an American, the Soccer designs are usually boring, just like the game. Plus, most REQUIRES a roof of some sort. That usually takes away some origianallity and, dare I say, beauty.

There's nothing wrong with American football stadiums.

i guess i prefer the idea of being closer to the game while retaining good sightlines to that field of play as opposed to the sightlines to whatever boring suburb they decided to put this stadium in.

[BigMac1212]

American Football Stadiums have great sighlines. And, considering Soccer fields are larger, some American football stadiums are CLOSER than soccer stadiums.

[Manhattan]

American Football Stadiums have great sighlines. And, considering Soccer fields are larger, some American football stadiums are CLOSER than soccer stadiums. I hope that is a NFL team at a NFL stadium by 2011 or soon. I have been to a NFL game since the 1984 NFL season when the Los Angeles Raiders beat the Minnesota Vikings at the Los Angeles Memorial Colisuem. I keep watching NFL games on TV. I also am willing to go to different NLF stadiums where my favorite NFL teams are the New York Giants,the New England Patriots,the Dallas Cowboys,the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Miami Dolphins.

[Chevy114]

Yeah I have been hearing about this for about 3 years. It looks fun, but we will see if it gets built. I wonder if usc and ucla will try to block this, since usc football is a big deal.

[Urbanshocker13]

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What's with the see-thru people? Will it be filled with holograms or ghosts.

[Manhattan]

Yeah I have been hearing about this for about 3 years. It looks fun, but we will see if it gets built. I wonder if usc and ucla will try to block this, since usc football is a big deal.
I have been hearing about it for more than 3 years. I have never to a USC Trojans football game the tickets are very very hard to get you by them before the season or at the end of the season before next season and there are more USC Trojans fans. I have to UCLA Bruins football game the early 1990's. The last UCLA Bruins football game I have to was the 2006 and the 2007 NCAA football season UCLA Bruins football tickets are to buy. I still got to a USC Trojans football game.

[Yoda]

What's with the see-thru people? Will it be filled with holograms or ghosts.

It's the only stadium rendering to visualize what The Rapture will look like

[six4three]

It's the only stadium rendering to visualize what The Rapture will look like

Don't tell the Devil Rays....

[Chevy114]

I have been hearing about it for more than 3 years. I have never to a USC Trojans football game the tickets are very very hard to get you by them before the season or at the end of the season before next season and there are more USC Trojans fans. I have to UCLA Bruins football game the early 1990's. The last UCLA Bruins football game I have to was the 2006 and the 2007 NCAA football season UCLA Bruins football tickets are to buy. I still got to a USC Trojans football game.

Yeah I don't doubt that a city like la can host both pro and college football. Tampa seems to do alright for the bigger college games and all the pro games. But man will pete carol and usc be pissed if their fans start dipping just a little after having a lock on the city.

[Manhattan]

Yeah I don't doubt that a city like la can host both pro and college football. Tampa seems to do alright for the bigger college games and all the pro games. But man will pete carol and usc be pissed if their fans start dipping just a little after having a lock on the city.
I watch USC Troajns football games on TV. I hope that there willl a new NFL Stadium in Los Angeles built before the 2011 NFL season.

[Lions/Tigers@Cubs.OhMy!]

ou know what I find amusing about most renderings of future stadiums? They never accomidate for parking! Look how far all the malls and office buildings stretch out in that model and nowhere is there a place to park your car. Now, Iknow were all suppose to be greener and they may just brush the thought off and suggest public trans... but as popular as football is... the tailgating before the game is almost as omportant to a lot of die-hard fans.
If anyone has looked out over places like Soldier Field or Arrowhead, they'd see the sea of people cookin' up brats and bonding with their fellow sports fanatics...

I just find it amusing.

[Chevy114]

You think corporate sponsors and team owners want to see unused land? No way, they want to get as much money out of the surrounding areas! So they will worry about parking later, when its too late.

[PeteU]

I think that of all the stadium proposals we've seen over the years to bring a team back to Los Angeles, this one has the best chance of becoming a reality. Stephen Roski, the billionaire who has developed the project, owns and controls the land on which this stadium would be built. He doesn't have to worry about encountering the preservationists who don't want the Rose Bowl touched, nor does he have to go through the bureaucracy at LA city hall to get something done at the Coliseum.

Now, who will occupy it? Roski is a close family friend of the Spanos family who owns my Chargers. Having said that, I am very skeptical (not in denial) that they Chargers would go up there. They've been trying to get a stadium deal done here for almost 6 years and have spent a lot of their own money developing proposals for a new stadium in San Diego. Their proposals have even changed dramatically, starting with a facility that would be built next to Qualcomm Stadium that would be partially funded by the city and the team. They are now looking at the city of Chula Vista in South Bay San Diego County and are in the middle of a study that will pick the best site for a stadium to be built on.

For more information on both the Roski proposal in LA and the ties to the Chargers stadium proposal here in San Diego, read this blog:

San Diego Stadium Watch (http://sdstadiumwatch.blogspot.com)

I honestly think that the Chargers could very well be the likeliest candidate to move to LA if they don't get a stadium in San Diego.

They could probably rename themselves the Southern California Chargers and make the transition all the more smooth.

[Chevy114]

You don't think the raiders or 49ers will move?

[YankeeFanBx]

If you build the stadium , will LA support football?

[PeteU]

You don't think the raiders or 49ers will move?

Raiders possibly, but I think less likely the 49ers. I somehow dont' see the 49ers moving out of the Bay area, at least.

[YankeeFanBx]

I don't think the Raiders would be welcomed with open arms.

[stlfan]

Man, Oakland would be mighty p.o.ed considering that the Oakland Coliseum was defaced with Mount Davis in order to get the Raiders back.

[Chevy114]

I say oakland has a good shot of pulling a houston oilers. The only reason they left la in the first place was because oakland promised to renovate the collisum. So I think with Al Davis' ego for always wanting bigger or better, he might jump at the chance.

San Fransico is having a hard time to get santa clara to agree on a stadium deal, even though they have their training facility already there. So I wouldn't count them out if they get pushed enough.

The chargers are probably mad that that padres got a new stadium almost 5 years ago and they can't get anyone to even look at their sketches. Plus its an easy move to L.A.

When the NFL created the Houston texans, they never made it sound like this was the last expansion team. So unlike the mlb who was trying to dump teams might just cut out all the drama and give them a new franchise.

The question is will la build it? The Tampa didn't get a baseball team for 10 years and san antonio still doesn't have a team for a pretty nice stadium they built almost 15 years ago. So I would be leary if I was la!

[Lions/Tigers@Cubs.OhMy!]

the san antanio stadium.... was that for football or baseball? and does anyone have information on the stadium.... a name? who occupies it? anything? thanks!


EDIT: Nevermind, Wikipedia is a great thing.

EDIT, EDIT: thanks placount

[placount]

the san antanio stadium.... was that for football or baseball? and does anyone have information on the stadium.... a name? who occupies it? anything? thanks!

the alamo dome. noone. the spurs played there for a while, and the saints played there after the hurricane

[willisraverchk77]

The question is will la build it? The Tampa didn't get a baseball team for 10 years and san antonio still doesn't have a team for a pretty nice stadium they built almost 15 years ago. So I would be leary if I was la!

"LA" isn't building anything, it's private finance or nothing gets built out there. and the guy said he wasn't building it unless a team already signs a "contract" to move. he's not just going to build it hoping to land a team.

[Chevy114]

"LA" isn't building anything, it's private finance or nothing gets built out there. and the guy said he wasn't building it unless a team already signs a "contract" to move. he's not just going to build it hoping to land a team.

Thats the smart way of doing, since other teams who built the stadium before the team ended up looking stupid. If he does it the very least he could do is lure away a team or look like tampa baseball did and has to wait a few years, the worst is similar the alamo dome where no one comes, so you force its use for other things and maybe a college bowl game.

[six4three]

Tampa didn't do so well out of the deal - they did eventually get a team, but by then that team was saddled with an out-of-date park.

Now they have to build a new one, and they still owe $94 million on the old one (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/nov/29/na-financing-details-for-new-stadium-still-up-in-t/).

St. Petersburg is going to be paying off the debt of the old stadium for thirteen years after the Rays open their new one even if the stars align and everything goes smoothly. That ought to give any municipality pause before buiding a stadium on spec.

[Chevy114]

Tampa didn't do so well out of the deal - they did eventually get a team, but by then that team was saddled with an out-of-date park.

Now they have to build a new one, and they still owe $94 million on the old one (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2007/nov/29/na-financing-details-for-new-stadium-still-up-in-t/).

St. Petersburg is going to be paying off the debt of the old stadium for thirteen years after the Rays open their new one even if the stars align and everything goes smoothly. That ought to give any municipality pause before buiding a stadium on spec.

Yeah the trop and the bay area were a bum deal. Sometimes when we are stuck in traffic getting redirected around the dome toward downtown 3 miles away from the park, my roomate and I say "St. Pete had to build a park before tampa huh!?!" We say the same thing when people complain on the news about the stadium being outdated.

Has any other city been shafted like tampa and san antonio?

[six4three]

Tampa? Shafted?

[PeteU]

Yeah the trop and the bay area were a bum deal. Sometimes when we are stuck in traffic getting redirected around the dome toward downtown 3 miles away from the park, my roomate and I say "St. Pete had to build a park before tampa huh!?!" We say the same thing when people complain on the news about the stadium being outdated.

Has any other city been shafted like tampa and san antonio?

I don't think there's any other instances of cities in baseball or football being shafted after building a spec stadium, at least not to the degree of Tampa Bay and San Antonio.

The Oakland Coliseum and Atlanta Fulton County Stadium were both techincally built on spec, although those cities were very quickly rewarded by getting teams soon after those parks opened.

You can argue that Cleveland Stadium was built on spec for the Olympics (although that's still an issue of debate on this board, last I remembered).

[six4three]

Milwaukee County Stadium was also built on spec - the city intended to house the minor league Brewers there until a major league team could be enticed to move, but the Braves relocated before the park opened.

Cities that build on spec but don't get a team aren't "shafted." They simply gambled and lost.

[Chevy114]

Milwaukee County Stadium was also built on spec - the city intended to house the minor league Brewers there until a major league team could be enticed to move, but the Braves relocated before the park opened.

Cities that build on spec but don't get a team aren't "shafted." They simply gambled and lost.

I think more like the city of tampa got shafted since their neighbor city 40 minutes away decided to build a stadium before tampa could have both major sports. St. Pete screwed themselves by getting told by the mlb don't do it, we probably wont give you a team, and yet they still did it. That was a bad gamble that barely paid off and barely based on how much they owe and how low attendence is!

[uberpsycho]

Looks like a lot of lawn work. Good thing LA has plenty of illegal immigrants.

[Manhattan]

Looks like a lot of lawn work. Good thing LA has plenty of illegal immigrants. I hope that there will be a new NFL stadium in L.A. by 2011. Me and so many residents of L.A. already know about illegal immigrants.

[hofflalu]

Metropolitan Stadium in the Twin Cities was also built to attract a major league team (or teams, including the NFL), having opened in 1956 (then hosting minor league baseball).