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PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 06:49 PM
Can someone explain this to me? I am curious as to how it is different from the norm, and why Dr. Marshall has been ostracized for it.
Jake Patterson
04-01-2008, 07:16 PM
Can someone explain this to me? I am curious as to how it is different from the norm, and why Dr. Marshall has been ostracized for it.
Kevin, try this: http://audio.weei.com/m/3092708/dr_mike_marshall.htm?col=en-all-pod_weei-ep&q=mike+marshall&match=QUERY
Jake
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 07:31 PM
Interesting. He is speaking in medical terms. Luckily I am educated enough to have some idea what he is talking about. I need to look further to see it in action.
Standby:D
Jake Patterson
04-01-2008, 07:34 PM
Interesting. He is speaking in medical terms. Luckily I am educated enough to have some idea what he is talking about. I need to look further to see it in action.
Standby:D
Kevin,
Go to www.drmikemarshall.com
There are thousands of posts on the Internet about the topic.
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 07:45 PM
From reading his website it sounds like it would look like "slinging" motion in practice. I need to see it.
Having trouble finding a video of it in action. I can kind of pitcure it from the written descriptions.
Chris O'Leary
04-01-2008, 07:49 PM
From reading his website it sounds like it would look like "slinging" motion in practice. I need to see it.
Having trouble finding a video of it in action. I can kind of pitcure it from the written descriptions.
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Videos/Video_Pitching_MarshallPitchingMotion_Buchanan_CF_ 001.gif
RIstar
04-01-2008, 07:49 PM
look on Dr. MArshalls web site and you will find pitchers throwing with the motion
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 09:33 PM
http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Videos/Video_Pitching_MarshallPitchingMotion_Buchanan_CF_ 001.gif
Thank you!!! That is how I pictured it except I wasn't facing the catcher. The motion looks like that way I was taught to throw as an outfielder w/crow hop. When my arm was in shape I could really get a lot on the throw w/o hurting my arm at all.
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 09:40 PM
Now I find the vids:eek:
Anywho, his method achieves the same end as "conventional" windups. Its just the the means for reaching that end are different. At the release point, both Dr. Marshall's and "conventional" put the pitcher in the same position. Doc's method puts less strain on the arm. I need to try it sometime.
Chris O'Leary
04-01-2008, 09:47 PM
The motion looks like that way I was taught to throw as an outfielder w/crow hop. When my arm was in shape I could really get a lot on the throw w/o hurting my arm at all.
This is exactly the point.
Chris O'Leary
04-01-2008, 09:48 PM
Anywho, his method achieves the same end as "conventional" windups. Its just the the means for reaching that end are different. At the release point, both Dr. Marshall's and "conventional" put the pitcher in the same position.
Some people will argue with this statement, but I think it's pretty accurate.
The same thing goes for the Outman mechanics.
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 09:53 PM
It kind of reminds me of a cricket bowler in a way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZdaVmz_kg
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 09:56 PM
Some people will argue with this statement, but I think it's pretty accurate.
The same thing goes for the Outman mechanics.
You read my mind. I was just about to ask about Outman. I tried researching him a month or two ago, and couldn't find much that described it in a way that I could picture it. I know about his son, Josh (duh, I *am* a Phillies fan:D) and how he went away from those mechanics when he advanced in pro ball.
From the descriptions I have read it sounds like it involves putting the thowing arm over the head, next to the ear. The description I read wasn't very clear. Like it was some highly guarded secret.
Chris O'Leary
04-01-2008, 10:00 PM
It kind of reminds me of a cricket bowler in a way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjZdaVmz_kg
Like this clip from The Birdcage...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mluQGHsnKlc
...Marshall wants his guys thinking crow hop, cricket bowler, and javelin (thrower?) but to do something that looks more conventional.
Marshall calls it the crow hop throwing rhythm. The idea is to get the PAS arm up before the GS foot plants.
I think this idea has a lot of merit.
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 10:06 PM
I like the theory behind the Marshall Technique.
Chris O'Leary
04-01-2008, 10:12 PM
From the descriptions I have read it sounds like it involves putting the thowing arm over the head, next to the ear. The description I read wasn't very clear. Like it was some highly guarded secret.
You start with the elbow up (PAS upper arm almost vertical) and the ball behind the head and behind the Glove Side (GS) ear.
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/28/287281.jpg
You then pitch from a slide step.
I think this does increase deception, but I am concerned that it may lead to shoulder problems.
I'll try to post a clip I have of Zach (Josh's brother).
PhilliesPhan22
04-01-2008, 10:17 PM
It almost looks like the way some catcher are tought to snap throw from behind the head.
Dirtberry
04-02-2008, 12:04 AM
Dr.Marshall does not support the high guard, goal posted position in any way
because it does cause shoulder injuries from looping.
Deemax
04-02-2008, 07:25 AM
Who is Outman?
Here is a little video of Josh Outman...fast forward to 4:00
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-822533355345119673&q=Josh+outman&total=4&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
PhilliesPhan22
04-02-2008, 11:22 AM
Here is a little video of Josh Outman...fast forward to 4:00
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-822533355345119673&q=Josh+outman&total=4&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Looks normal. He apparently changed his mechanics 3 years ago in order to advance in the system.