Jose Vidro

[Cowtipper]

Over 12 years in the big leagues, Jose Vidro has collected 1452 hits in 4805 at-bats for a .302 batting average. He has 330 doubles and 121 home runs.

A three time All-Star and one time Silver Slugger, Vidro has the 18th highest batting average among active ballplayers. He has a great eye at the plate as he averages 9.2 at bats per strikeout.

Now it's time to play the projections game, using Bill James' Favorite Toy. Vidro may end up with these statistics by the time his career is done:

1983 Games
7204 At-Bats
1005 Runs
2176 Hits
456 Doubles
15 Triples
154 Home Runs
862 RBI
23 Stolen Bases
15 Caught Stealing
712 Walks
768 Strikeouts
.302 Average

So...will Vidro be a Hall of Famer?

[leecemark]

--Cowtipper, are you planning to work your way through everyone who managed to hold down a regular major league job before you're done?

[dabigyankeeman]

no no no no no.

A hall of famer should be a real dominant person in the game during his era, not just a real good player. Vidro is a real good player, he is not dominant enough to be a hall of famer. The hall has to be carefull not to cheapen its standards, only the best of the best should get in.

[RuthMayBond]

--Cowtipper, are you planning to work your way through everyone who managed to hold down a regular major league job before you're done?
Why would he stop there? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Was he ever the best right-side infielder on his team?

[leecemark]

--Vidro was a very good player for a few years. He may have even been the best secondbaseman in the league a time or two. He wasn't able to sustain that very long though. he wasn't especially good with the glove before his knees went bad and he can't play the field at all anymore (well not often or adequetely anyway).

[jjpm74]

He's 33 and in poor health, but he is also coming off a solid year and had a decent stretch in his Montreal days. I'd put him in the maybe but unlikely category at this point. If he can manage to string together 3-4 more seasons like last season, his chances will improve greatly. If he lands a job as a DH and manages to play until he is 40 or 41 and keeps his pace, then he'd be a probable at that point.

[MadHatter]

Ridiculous!

Why isn't Felix Fermin in the Hall?

[RuthMayBond]

Over 12 years in the big leagues,
.302 Average

So...will Vidro be a Hall of Famer?Actually it's 11 (with 3 VERY short ones), and I suppose his BA won't drop :rolleyes:

[Fuzzy Bear]

Guys with Vidro's batting stats go into the HOF only if they have the highest level of defensive skills. I'm talking Maz and Frank White here. Even White isn't in, and Maz is a debatable pick.

Vidro was never regarded as a good glove at 2B, and now he's too injury prone to play the position anymore. He's taking the Paul Molitor route to the HOF, but he's nowhere near as good as Molitor. He's lost his power, and he's not likely to hold a DH job as long as Molitor did.

That being said, Vidro's 2000-2003 seasons are the stuff of a HOFer. During those years, he put up the numbers that have been, in more than one case, the core of a HOF middle infielder. Had he doubled that production from 2004-2007, we'd be talking about a dark horse candidacy, at the least.

Vidro was a truly underrated player from 2000-2003. His 2000 season would normally have made him the best 2B in the NL, but that was the season Jeff Kent won the MVP. He was often overlooked and marginalized because he played in Montreal for his best years. But if he ever was truly a "great" player, his "greatness" ended after 2003. He'll need 3K hits to make the HOF, and, frankly, he ain't gonna get there.

[RubeBaker]

Are we really running out of guys to talk about? There's no way his numbers are anywhere close to hall worthy.

[AutographCollector]

Ridiculous!

Why isn't Felix Fermin in the Hall?

Heck, I say induct Kevin Elster!! :lookitup

[KCGHOST]

Not much chance.

[Colorado Express]

What??????

[NineWorldSeries]

Are we just yelling out random baseball names now?

I can too!

Ron Oester! Jim Rooker! Steve Balboni!

[Westlake]

You're right fellas, we should only talking about Jim Rice and Dick Allen until we're blue in the face. Now Vidro may be a reach, but hell, there are some ridiculous choices in the HOF, so why not discuss some ridiculous choices here? At least it's something to discuss.

[Go get em Tigers]

...if he plays in six more All Star games and wins a couple of MVP awards, then he has a decent chance.

[Captain Cold Nose]

You're right fellas, we should only talking about Jim Rice and Dick Allen until we're blue in the face. Now Vidro may be a reach, but hell, there are some ridiculous choices in the HOF, so why not discuss some ridiculous choices here? At least it's something to discuss.

At least Cowtipper does present an argument based on what the player has actually done in a completely unbiased (outside of statistical method but never actually advocating one way or another) manner. He doesn't just throw a random name out there and leave the case to us to discuss.

Vidro could produce big numbers if he stays healthy. But so many in this era do that while staying healthy. It'll take historic numbers for this era for a player to truly be considered. That is not Jose Vidro.

[Westlake]

At least Cowtipper does present an argument based on what the player has actually done in a completely unbiased (outside of statistical method but never actually advocating one way or another) manner. He doesn't just throw a random name out there and leave the case to us to discuss.

Vidro could produce big numbers if he stays healthy. But so many in this era do that while staying healthy. It'll take historic numbers for this era for a player to truly be considered. That is not Jose Vidro.

Yeah, its much better than the usual "Catfish Hunter. Discuss."

As a side note: I really need to proofread my posts a couple times before submitting them.

[jjpm74]

You're right fellas, we should only talking about Jim Rice and Dick Allen until we're blue in the face. Now Vidro may be a reach, but hell, there are some ridiculous choices in the HOF, so why not discuss some ridiculous choices here? At least it's something to discuss.


I don't see what's so ridiculous about discussing this player's HOF potential. Are you guys judging him based on whether or not he should be inducted if he never played again?

He's just going into his decline years and has a relatively good peak and a possibility of 6-8 seasons ahead of him. How many people were talking about Jeff Kent as a HOF candidate 6-8 years ago?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Heck, I say induct Kevin Elster!! :lookitup


Jose Vidro was, in his best years, putting up the kind of years a HOF-caliber second baseman needs to put up.

To compare Vidro to Kevin Elster or Felix Fermin is silly. Those guys do not have a core of seasons on which to build a potential HOF career as Vidro racked up from 2000-2003.

Vidro DIDN'T build on that foundation to speak of, and he's no longer able to play 2B readily, so the HOF isn't going to happen (and shouldn't, for that matter). But he's much better than Elster or Fermin. After the 2003 season, the idea of Vidro in the HOF one day wasn't far fetched. You could NEVER say that about Fermin or Elster.

[Murderers Row]

How about all the cows you tip? Do they have a shot, too?

[Cowtipper]

How about all the cows you tip? Do they have a shot, too?

Come on man...you can do better than that. I mean, if you're going to mock my threads, at least be clever and witty while doing it.

[AutographCollector]

To compare Vidro to Kevin Elster or Felix Fermin is silly.

Dude, I was just joking around when I mentioned Elster's name.

[RuthMayBond]

Come on man...you can do better than that. I mean, if you're going to mock my threads, at least be clever and witty while doing it.:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::c ry:

[OleMissCub]

Where's the Mark Lemke thread?

[hudsonharden]

...cue Vince McMahon's theme music.