View Full Version : Dick Hyde, where art thou?
BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT
03-02-2002, 06:20 PM
BASEBALL_TRIVIA_NUT
No, I don't want to know where is he now? I just want to remind
the old school baseball trivia buffs of the baseball animal that
Dick Hyde was, the submarining baseball hurler for the Washington Senators in the late 50's, early 60's.
He won with that style of pitching and so did Ted Abernathy.
Carl Mays and Eldon Auker also were successful submariners in their
day, so there have been a few baseball animals like Dick Hyde in
major league baseball.
Ok, fans, give me a list of submariners who pitched successfully
in major league baseball and then you can go back to sleep!
Have at it!
JohnnysGhost
03-02-2002, 08:01 PM
The late,great Dan Quisenberry(KC Royals).....The Quiz.....R.I.P.
yukon jack
03-02-2002, 08:27 PM
Perhaps the first "submariner" was William Pearl "Buck" Rhines (1869-1922) He pitched for the Cincinnati Redlegs from 1890-1897 and with Pittsburgh 1898-1899. He died in Ridgeway, Pa. His obituary states: "Rhines was one of the first men in the national pasttime to use an underarm delivery in pitching. It is claimed by many that he was the first successful major league twirler to toss in this manner. Carl Mays of the New York Yankees uses the same style of delivery."
yukon jack
03-02-2002, 08:32 PM
Sorry, I forgot some important details: 1890 Rhines pitched 401 innings, gave up 87 earned runs (ERA 1.95)and had a 28-17 record. Does any other submariner have a better record? Lifetime Rhines was 112-107 with a 3.48 ERA in 248 games and 1891 innings pitched. Seems pretty good to me.
Kroxquo
03-03-2002, 08:24 PM
How about 70's and 80's relievers Gene Garber and the Rubber Band Man - Kent Tekulve. Does he still hold the record for most games pitched in a career?
shlevine42
03-04-2002, 12:52 AM
Tekulve is the all-time major league leader in RELIEF appearances with 1,050, but he's still 20 games short of Wilhelm's record of 1,070 TOTAL GAMES PITCHED.
shlevine42
03-04-2002, 10:30 AM
Correction:
TEKULVE still holds the NL record of games pitched (1,050) , but JESSE OROSCO holds the ML record of 1,131.
ECKERSLEY has the AL record (869).
HOYT WILHELM held the ML record of 1,070 games until OROSCO surpassed it.
Glen Slater
04-25-2002, 08:54 PM
Terry Leach, a highly over-looked player (even by his own Mets managers). In an emergency situation in 1987 (when Gooden was in Smithers Clinic), Leach was put into the starting rotation, and put together a very, very impressive won-loss record for the Mets.
Also, I still remember listening on the radio (WCAU, Philadelphia), to the game in which he one-hit the Phillies over 10 innings in 1982.
tlhyde
03-15-2005, 12:51 PM
I know this is a REALLY old thread, but, just in case BASEBALL TRIVIA NUT was still somewhat interested I could tell you, even though you said you weren't really asking! ;)
tlhyde
Honus Wagner Rules
03-15-2005, 01:08 PM
Among active pitchers, Chad Bradford and BY Kim...
jschneid
06-25-2006, 12:55 PM
Hi, TL. I've always been fascinated by submarine pitchers and I read about Dick Hyde in the Great Baseball Card Flipping and Trading Book (or something like that). Hope he's still around and if so, where is he?
Thanks!!
Brian McKenna
06-25-2006, 01:06 PM
all the pitchers were submariners prior to 1872 - as higher release points were legalized most pitchers adopted them for belief that not to do so would shorten their careers
the underhand delivery found new life in the 1890s because of the relative rareness of the delivery style not because of any other great factor
some early 20th century submariners:
bill phillips
deacon phillippe
jack warhop
joe mcginnity
carl mays
the style fell out of use except for perhaps eldon auker during the 1930s
the style found a resurgence in the 1970s and beyond mainly by relievers:
ted abernathy
tekulve
quisenberry
mark eichhorn
chad bradford
byung-hyun kim, etc.
Mike Myers, currently the situational lefty for the Yankees (and for the Red Sox for a couple years before that) is another guy to throw on the list. Weird looking delivery, but he's only allowed one run so far this year, so I guess it works ^_^
Bill Burgess
06-25-2006, 02:51 PM
I asked this on the Trivia Forum. Here it was/is.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=43095
Bill
jschneid
06-26-2006, 06:39 PM
Hey, bkmckenna,
Where did you come up with all that great research on submarine pitchers? Really nice work! I have to say though, that Tekulve and Abernathy were sidearmers and labeled submariners, whereas Mays and Auker really came from down under. So did Horacio Pina with the Senators and (I believe) the Cubbies.
VIBaseball
06-26-2006, 06:45 PM
Hey, bkmckenna,
Where did you come up with all that great research on submarine pitchers? Really nice work! I have to say though, that Tekulve and Abernathy were sidearmers and labeled submariners, whereas Mays and Auker really came from down under. So did Horacio Pina with the Senators and (I believe) the Cubbies.
This is a pet topic of mine; I wrote an article some years back. I interviewed Abernathy, who was influenced by Hyde and said his knuckles scraped the ground sometimes. Sure doesn't sound sidearm to me.
I have direct memories of Tekulve -- he and Quiz also were really nice about interviews for that piece, as was Elden Auker -- and I wouldn't call him a sidearmer either.
Eckersley sure wasn't submarine, and neither was Garber. Eichhorn was low sidearm (a 3:30 delivery), while Leach and Jeff Innis were more like 4:00-4:30.
jschneid
06-26-2006, 06:53 PM
My bad, VIBaseball. Thanks for the correction. It just bothers me a little how sports anouncers will refer to a guy a submarine when he's way up at, say, 4:00. Where can I find the article you wrote?
This is a pet topic of mine; I wrote an article some years back. I interviewed Abernathy, who was influenced by Hyde and said his knuckles scraped the ground sometimes. Sure doesn't sound sidearm to me.
I have direct memories of Tekulve -- he and Quiz also were really nice about interviews for that piece, as was Elden Auker -- and I wouldn't call him a sidearmer either.
Eckersley sure wasn't submarine, and neither was Garber. Eichhorn was low sidearm (a 3:30 delivery), while Leach and Jeff Innis were more like 4:00-4:30.
Brian McKenna
06-27-2006, 05:42 AM
Hey, bkmckenna,
Where did you come up with all that great research on submarine pitchers? .
a game of inches by peter morris - best book of the year so far
VIBaseball
06-27-2006, 07:30 AM
Where can I find the article you wrote?
It was in the now-defunct Inside Sports, I believe in 1990. I don't believe it's online anywhere. I know I still have a couple of hard copies stashed away somewhere. It would be a question of digging out the box and making a scan or Xerox.
Another guy featured was the late Steve Olin, whom Quiz called "the submariner of the future" -- though my recollection was that he was more of a 4:30 type like Leach too.
jschneid
06-29-2006, 02:42 PM
It was in the now-defunct Inside Sports, I believe in 1990. I don't believe it's online anywhere. I know I still have a couple of hard copies stashed away somewhere. It would be a question of digging out the box and making a scan or Xerox.
Another guy featured was the late Steve Olin, whom Quiz called "the submariner of the future" -- though my recollection was that he was more of a 4:30 type like Leach too.
At your convenience and my cost, I'd love to see a copy. Sounds like great reading. Good discussion!