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RIstar
02-23-2008, 01:33 PM
Since momentum pitching didn't work out for me like I thought it would I went back to my reg motion and worked on Triple Extention of the back leg. I have seen progess in arm action getting up in time and also my body gaining more momentum.
Full speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLHb0NSes80
Slow motion
NOTE WATCH AT LANDING WHEN MY FOREARM GETS VERTICAL. IT'S IN LINE WITH THE MIDLINE NOW AND I PAUSED THE VIDEO TO SHOW THAT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDuwlhRW340
THe only thing I need to work on is balance and try not to lean back, I think it's a strength issue of the post leg and core which I continue to work on.
THIS PICTURE BELOW SHOWS THE ARM IS UP AT LANDING.
http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t44/RocketClems22/slowmotionTL_0001.jpg
palo20
02-23-2008, 03:02 PM
You're joking, right?
jamesh23
02-23-2008, 03:03 PM
why didnt momentum pitching workout for you?
RIstar
02-23-2008, 03:14 PM
I could repeat the mechanics good enough like I wanted it was only something I tryed. I'm back to my normal self and it seems to be doing good. My arm action has changed back to normal and UP on time which is good.
Palo keep the smart remarks to your self they are not needed. Momentum Pitching works but I feel it will not work in the long run.
Comment on current mechanics please
fastbal95
02-23-2008, 03:19 PM
RIstar,
How would it work, but not in the long run? You raved about "momentum" pitching just a few days ago and now you change back? WHY?
RIstar
02-23-2008, 03:31 PM
mostly because of consistency with the movements of the body. I found it challenging after a while to get good foot work.
I just feel that traditional pitching will work better for me. Also my arm action is better with the mechanics above then with Momentum pitching where IW is to close to landing and my arm doesn't get fully up.
palo20
02-23-2008, 03:37 PM
Just stick with something. Nothing is gonna work in one day.
RIstar
02-23-2008, 03:44 PM
For the most part for last 2 months I have used traditional pitching I only for 2 day's tryed something different. Not a big deal it worked then it faded away.
does anyone have anything to say about my current mechanics above?
palo20
02-23-2008, 04:27 PM
Looks a lot like your previous traditional mechanics. I don't like how much you reverse rotate your shoulders though. At about the 20 second mark on the slow motion video you look like you're going to throw to 3rd base.
RIstar
02-23-2008, 04:31 PM
Yes I do see that and I use the cross over step to counter balance everything else out. Also I find that the cross over step starts the hips rotating sooner then anything else.
palo20
02-23-2008, 04:37 PM
Yes I do see that and I use the cross over step to counter balance everything else out. Also I find that the cross over step starts the hips rotating sooner then anything else.
Define the cross over step for me.
You don't want your hips opening too soon. They will rotate into landing, but you don't want it to happen too early (Yes I know they are open at landing).
RIstar
02-23-2008, 04:41 PM
Cross over step happeneds close to landing. It happeneds when the back leg Triple Extends meaning you push with the foot, knee and hip. It brings the movement all to the plate. When the foot goes to open the hips rotate and the back leg turns all the way down and in. All the weight shifts to the front leg mostly and the hips.
The front leg crosses over to face the plate a little before landing.
palo20
02-23-2008, 04:50 PM
Cool man, just make sure you stick with triple extension for a while.
Still don't know how that offsets the fact that your shoulders line up to throw to 3rd at one point in your delivery.
RIstar
02-23-2008, 04:52 PM
Yeah for the 1st time I did Triple Extention and it seemed to help that key back leg turn over that starts the hips soon.
I've been sticking with it 98% of the time.
APPpitch
02-23-2008, 06:35 PM
Be sure to tell us what delivery you will be using tomorrow.
-scott
RIstar
02-23-2008, 06:36 PM
Tradtitional like the last 2 months only did 2 day's of MP and it is not for me.
CoachW
02-23-2008, 08:20 PM
On the slow mo video from about 18 seconds to 23 you are way out of control in the body. In my opinion you go way overboard on reversing the shoulders. To the point you can't see your target until your foot lands and it just looks way to out of control. Why not calm the motion down some and try to just slightly revers the shoulders and then stay closed but still moving in a straight line to the catcher? If I were your coach I would definitely change it not only because of lack of consistency, but also possible injury.
Coach W
CoachW
02-23-2008, 08:22 PM
Plus your head really jerks around as you move forward. Try to keep the head still.
Coach W
Well, everybody, if you try something for 2 days and it isn't working for you, I guess it's no good and you should try something else for 2 days, then something else, then back to the old stuff, ...................
RIstar, come on man, you can't be serious. 2 days?!?! How do you really expect anyone to want to comment when you do this? Then, if we do comment, you argue about how we're all wrong and you're doing fine. :shrug:
Do you actually believe that you perfected Momentum Pitching before condemning it? You haven't given anything a snowball's chance of working. :faint:
RIstar
02-23-2008, 08:30 PM
I'm in control of all movements that I do. I throw strikes and locate my off-speed very well. Also I'm working on staying more balanced with upper body that has been a struggle of mine.
I need to reverse rotate or I do not throw hard. It's part of the way my body works to explode in a wind-up. If I can maintain better balance and work at it hard I will not have a problem at all.
Might look out of control but it's really not at all.
I will keep working on dynamic balance through the whole motion.
Go Cardinals
02-23-2008, 08:31 PM
Your head is facing the SS... almost second base... keep your head on the target.
RIstar
02-23-2008, 08:32 PM
My choice is my Choice DM
My Coaches will not like MP and I don't feel like colleges will either.
Go Cardinals
02-23-2008, 08:34 PM
My choice is my Choice DM
My Coaches will not like MP and I don't feel like colleges will either.
Your arm doesn't like it too much either...
RIstar
02-23-2008, 08:39 PM
my arm does the same thing Tim Lincecum's arm does
Lift up the same way
Your choiceS, plural. Choices. Over and over again. As EVERYBODY is telling you, stick with something man. Learn it. Let your body actually learn it. Everything takes time.
APPpitch
02-23-2008, 08:43 PM
I'm in control of all movements that I do. I throw strikes and locate my off-speed very well. Also I'm working on staying more balanced with upper body that has been a struggle of mine.
I need to reverse rotate or I do not throw hard. It's part of the way my body works to explode in a wind-up. If I can maintain better balance and work at it hard I will not have a problem at all.
Might look out of control but it's really not at all.
I will keep working on dynamic balance through the whole motion.
When you say locate well, you mean that you hit the same spot on the hanging blanket and you have determined this to be the outside corner of a plate theoretically 60 feet away, right?
I have a novel idea. Work on something pitching related for the next 3 years and let us know then what round you got drafted.
It would be easier on all of us.
-s
RIstar
02-23-2008, 08:43 PM
Ok well I think my mechanics are getting better and better.
All I think I need to do is become more balanced with my upper body which would then help my head movement.
APPpitch
02-23-2008, 08:49 PM
Ok well I think my mechanics are getting better and better.
All I think I need to do is become more balanced with my upper body which would then help my head movement.
Actually, they are perfect. I wouldn't change a thing. Work on hitting for a couple of days, perfect that; catch some pop ups and grounders next week, perfect that and then just wait for the scouts to call.
Its easy.
-s
CoachW
02-23-2008, 09:38 PM
What grade are you in this year?? I am wondering what you will do if your coaches ask you to change your mechanics? Are you going to argue with them that you are the next Lincecum?? Lincecum does what works best for him and I am guessing that only a small percentage of kids your age can emulate his mechanics effectively. I am also guessing he has practiced it over and over again. You need to do what is best for "your" delivery. I really think you would be better off trying a more basci/standard delivery. Watch Mariano Rivera over and over. You need to be willing to work on it for a while(like a few eeks at least). You have to be more open to trying new things even if it doesn't "feel" right. I can say with almost 100% certainty that the mechanics you have right now are not the best one's for you. It is up to you if you would rather try something that won't bring out the best in your pitching ability. Just look into it.
Coach W