Momentum pitching

[RIstar]

I was playing around today with Momentum Pitching just for fun and right away I started throwing harder then I have ever before using a "Traditional wind-up"

Also my arm gets up on the center line which is 100% better then it ever has been. Also my arm speed has sky rocket and it felt like I was throwing some GAS, like never before. I see a increase in mph by at least 2 mph +.

Also my arm externally rotates more then it ever has before.

Take a look tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4qYkGceuw


This was just for fun but I did throw very hard more then ever before so I might stay with them.

[Go Cardinals]

Do you like nyman's work? Just answer the question, it will make sense later...

[RIstar]

Do you mean Dick Mills momentum pitching?

Nyman don't know to much about him

[Deemax]

Momentum is fine, but racing toward the plate is not nessesarily the answer. Make sure that no matter what tempo you have toward the plate that its something you can repeat over and over.

There was nothing wrong with your previous delivery. I liked it.

P.S. I build portable mounds, let me know if you want any advice.:)

[Go Cardinals]

Do you mean Dick Mills momentum pitching?

Nyman don't know to much about him

No, do you like Nyman's work? Do you like invertions? Do you want to pitch like Mark Prior?

http://firstpickclub.com/video/olearyprior1b.gif
http://firstpickclub.com/video/olearyprior3b.gif
http://firstpickclub.com/video/olearypriorc.gif

[RIstar]

Well I have gained alot more arm speed and at least 2 mph using this wind-up with no leg lift. It feels like the ball is flying out of my arm like never before.

I also think it's pretty easy to repeat since it is very simple in nature. My traditional wind-up is 100X's harder to repeat over and over and it seems like less mph and worst timing problems.

I know it looks like a crazy weird thing but it works.

I'm moving soon so I'm just going to use the step I have right now

[RIstar]

No I do not want to pitch like mark prior and I really have no idea where this is coming from.

[Go Cardinals]

No I do not want to pitch like mark prior and I really have no idea where this is coming from.

Read my next post...

Do you want to pitch like kerry wood?

[Go Cardinals]

Ok whatever... look:

http://www.dtownbaseball.com/wp-content/tigerpics/zumaya.jpg
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAHG050_8x10-2006PitchingAction~Mark-Prior-Posters.jpg
http://woolis.com/images/2007SpringTR/07SpringTR3-11056Wood.jpg

[Go Cardinals]

What about carpenter?

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2006/writers/albert_chen/10/25/closer.look.game3/Carpenter_look.jpg

[RIstar]

Card my arm gets up on the center line which there arms do not. That is the one big difference that you have missed. My arm is horizontal at landing then when my arm hits the center line it's up in the high cocked potition like Tim lincecum and dan haren.

[Go Cardinals]

This picture is pretty creepy... I see tommy john surgery too...

[RIstar]

Well force is not applyed to the arm before landing can you please get me a photo at landing and also when my arm is at the center line?

[Go Cardinals]

Card my arm gets up on the center line which there arms do not. That is the one big difference that you have missed. My arm is horizontal at landing then when my arm hits the center line it's up in the high cocked potition like Tim lincecum and dan haren.

First of all, you get to that position like chris carpenter... kerry wood gets to a high position.


Next, no your not horizontal


Well force is not applyed to the arm before landing can you please get me a photo at landing and also when my arm is at the center line?

See these pictures:

[Go Cardinals]

Well force is not applyed to the arm before landing can you please get me a photo at landing and also when my arm is at the center line?

Yes, but if the ball is not up when the foot lands, you will need tommy john surgery... later.

[RIstar]

I will get pictures to help show what I mean.

[RIstar]

Yes, but if the ball is not up when the foot lands, you will need tommy john surgery... later.


Tim lincecum and Dan haren arms are not up at landing either. They get up at the mid-line just a little after landing.

[dm59]

Most are not perfectly vertical at landing anyway. It's usually a bit short of that.

[RIstar]

http://s157.photobucket.com/albums/t44/RocketClems22/?action=view&current=momentumpitching001_0001.jpg
See at the center line my arm is up in the high cocked position just like Tim lincecum in the photo below.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/Baseball/Pitching/Images/Examples/Example_HipsRotatingBeforeShoulders_TimLincecum_20 07_035.jpg

[RIstar]

So you can see that my timing is ok and normal the only thing at landing I'm not up but then I pick my arm up like tim lincecum and get up in enought time to then have a clean arm action.

[Go Cardinals]

Look, the way you get to those positions is different. You use your elbows like Carpenter. Lincecum and haren use there hands (or ball). Whatever, your arm, not mine.

[RIstar]

I have not had arm problems so I don't see a problem with me throwing 100 pitches 6x's a week if my arm action was bad my arm would fall off lol. My arm gets up that's all that matters. It gets up and lifts up the same way as tim lincecum but I do get a little bit more IW then him which does not worry me because at landing I'm horizontal same as him.

Does it look like I'm throwing near 80?

[jamesh23]

GoC you can predict tommy john? i dont think so. but idk, no one believes in momentum pitching but I too experience less arm pain, more whipping and greater control and velocity with those mechanics.

[Go Cardinals]

GoC you can predict tommy john? i dont think so. but idk, no one believes in momentum pitching but I too experience less arm pain, more whipping and greater control and velocity with those mechanics.

Yes I predict tommy John surgery... actually MM does. Just ask Fastball...

Its not the momentum mechanics that I was talking about, it was the timing issue. See his other thread, Chris nailed it nicely.

[wogdoggy]

Momentum is fine, but racing toward the plate is not nessesarily the answer. Make sure that no matter what tempo you have toward the plate that its something you can repeat over and over.

There was nothing wrong with your previous delivery. I liked it.

P.S. I build portable mounds, let me know if you want any advice.:)




P.S. I build portable mounds, let me know if you want any advice.:)[/QUOTE

You made me spit my drink...lol..:rofl:

[devilsadvocate]

Yes, but if the ball is not up when the foot lands, you will need tommy john surgery... later.
Wow, I never knew predicting TJ surgery was so easy. :rolleyes:

[Go Cardinals]

Wow, I never knew predicting TJ surgery was so easy. :rolleyes:

Its a MM principle... it has to do with timing... watch carpenter... or anyone who had TJ surgery... I bet they had bad timing.

[kylebee]

GoC you can predict tommy john? i dont think so. but idk, no one believes in momentum pitching but I too experience less arm pain, more whipping and greater control and velocity with those mechanics.

Lots of people here believe in creating momentum into footplant, including me. Don't presume to know peoples' opinions.

[RIstar]

I do not have arm problems and don't see a problem with momentum pitching as long as you can hit your spots.

It's pretty simple run and throw and then pitch off a mound. The faster mph would be running then throwing like a OF. Momentum pitching is just moving the OF throw to the mound.

I also have not talked to my coaches about this but I think once I'm throwing 80 mph and traditional pitchers are at around 75 then there will be no problem.

[Drill]

I was playing around today with Momentum Pitching just for fun and right away I started throwing harder then I have ever before using a "Traditional wind-up"

Also my arm gets up on the center line which is 100% better then it ever has been. Also my arm speed has sky rocket and it felt like I was throwing some GAS, like never before. I see a increase in mph by at least 2 mph +.

Also my arm externally rotates more then it ever has before.

Take a look tell me what you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq4qYkGceuw


This was just for fun but I did throw very hard more then ever before so I might stay with them.


I just want to know where is your cooler with the wheels on it is. Did you sell it on eBay and I missed it? A few months ago I saw it on another video you shot in your garage. It still looks to me that you do not have enough room in where you train and you need to sell some stuff.



drill

[RIstar]

Well I'm about to move in the next couple of months and I'm heading south. So there is a possibility you never know that I might put it on ebay. There is plenty of room to train but you are right we need to have a garage sall pretty soon. It's snowing and cold so that might take a while lol.

I will talk to my mom about the cooler with wheels.

[jamesh23]

Lots of people here believe in creating momentum into footplant, including me. Don't presume to know peoples' opinions.

last time I made a momentum pitchign thread they said they didnt believe and dick mills was fosh, I didnt mean to say all momemntum sorry.

[RIstar]

Only if people would realize that you can have the same MPH from the OF or running and throwing that you can on a mound. Momentum Pitching bridges the gap.

Also MP is simple and easy to learn. Please I learned how to do it in one day so it can't be that hard. Also your stride automatically increases, mine went from 5 foot 8 to 5 foot 11 or 6 feet.

[fastbal95]

RIstar,

I thought you said Dick Mills didnt know dick about pitching? Didnt you say something like this or am I mistaken? Now you are claiming that his stuff works, is that right?

By the way, your idea about throwing from the outfield and translating it to the mound is dead on, except that Dr. Mike Marshall's Pitching Motion bridges the gap, not Dick Mills.

[RIstar]

I said he doesn't know anything about Conditioning for pitchers. I knew Momentum Pitching would work but I didn't like it really till I tryed it which it works.

I think if MM and MP are very similar the only differences is arm action and how the ball is released. Also MM likes to have the pitchers tuck glove straight back when they land. Also MM lands a little different and a shorter stride then MP it looks like.

[palo20]

I do not see anything resembling a crow hop in the Marshall motion.

[fastbal95]

What does the crow hop rhythm entail?

1. Arm up to driveline height before glove foot lands

2. Continuation of momentum through release of the ball

3. Rotation of the glove foot, not the pitching foot

These are all utilized in Dr. Mike Marshall's mechanics.

Im sorry you cant see it. Maybe you just dont know what the crow hop rhythm really is.

[palo20]

A crow hop builds momentum from the legs; I think it's more of a skip than a hop. When I crow hop, I look a lot more like a traditional pitcher than a Marshall pitcher.

The Marshall motion looks more like a game of catch: step and throw.

[fastbal95]

A crow hop does build momentum. The traditional motion does NOT because when you stick your foot into the ground you stop, and so does the ball. Momentum transferred into the ground. Law of conservation of momentum.

[Go Cardinals]

A crow hop does build momentum. The traditional motion does NOT because when you stick your foot into the ground you stop, and so does the ball. Momentum transferred into the ground. Law of conservation of momentum.

Is that why I throw harder from a crow hop?

[palo20]

A crow hop does build momentum. The traditional motion does NOT because when you stick your foot into the ground you stop, and so does the ball. Momentum transferred into the ground. Law of conservation of momentum.

And I come back by pasting all of DM's quotes about SSC and kinetic chain and the merry go round continues.

[fastbal95]

And DM has yet to reply after I last refuted his last try at telling me about the kinetic chain. I wonder why? Maybe its because he has been wrong all along. Merry go round has stopped.

[Go Cardinals]

And DM has yet to reply after I last refuted his last try at telling me about the kinetic chain. I wonder why? Maybe its because he has been wrong all along. Merry go round has stopped.

Fastball... My coach is going to let me pitch... Maybe even the next game. Guess what, for fun, I am using MM's mechanics. :highfive:

Not lower body, but upper body.

[dm59]

fastbal95
I call it a "futility vortex" we're all being sucked into and I'm done with it. By the way, doc hasn't come back with anything supporting his contention about the SSC from our pm's.

[fastbal95]

Dm,

I thought that you emailed him and he wrote you back. Did he?