best Yankee offense?

[Blackout]

1927 Murderers Row .307/.381/.489, 158 Hr 975 runs 90 SB 137 OPS+

1939 Bronx Bombers .287/.370/.451, 166 Hr 967 runs 72 SB 117 OPS+

1961 M&M Boys (and co) .263/.328/.442 240 Hr 827 runs 28 SB 118 OPS+

1998 yankees .288/.362/.460 207 Hr 965 runs scored 153 SB 117 OPS+

2007 yankees .290/.366/.463 201 Hr 968 runs scored 123 SB 118 OPS+


which of these historical offenses was the best???

[AstrosFan]

I dunno. I'm kind of partial to 137 team OPS+s, even if it was 81 years ago.

[Blackout]

im tempted to say 2007 based on there being 30 teams now not 16

but they didnt win it all

[AstrosFan]

Wow, I never realized how great a season Posada had with the bat last year. A 154 OPS+ from catcher? A-freakin-mazing.

[Scoops]

I know everyone loves the 1939 Yankees (with good reason), but the 1936 Yankees put up some seriously good numbers too...

.300/.378/.483, 182 HR, 1065 R, 77 SB, 123 OPS+

Of course, they only won 102 games, compared to the 106 of '39 :laugh

[AstrosFan]

The 1931 Yankees deserve to be on any list of greatest offensive teams. Greatest run scoring team, even context adjusted, of all-time. They didn't win the pennant because of their pitching.

[Urbanshocker13]

The Yankns have had some amazing offenses, but I dont think they can beat Murders Row the 1927 Yankees!

[White Knight]

Wow, I never realized how great a season Posada had with the bat last year. A 154 OPS+ from catcher? A-freakin-mazing.

The highest he ever hit was .287, and suddenly at 36 he hits .338. Amazing is right, and he did it clean.

[stejay]

2007?? Are you serious? I can think of many Yankees teams better than that. Ihave to say 1927 Murderers Row team, without doubt the best Yankees team ever, and maybe even the best team in baseball, but that is debate-able

[Blackout]

2007?? Are you serious? I can think of many Yankees teams better than that. Ihave to say 1927 Murderers Row team, without doubt the best Yankees team ever, and maybe even the best team in baseball, but that is debate-able

offensively the 2007 team was one of the top ever.

[bob]

On offense the 1927 team is hard to beat from any yankee, or other team from any era. During the 30's they repeatedly had brilliant offense, but neevr quite matched the '27 performance. 61 was only great for its incredible home run total. 98 was a very well rounded season, nothing to really critise the offense, but not as many historically big stats.

2007 was very good, but it wasnt that incredible, and the fact they spent most of the season battling to maintain .500 will hurt them, even if thats mostly the fault of pitching (or lack of).

[White Knight]

On offense the 1927 team is hard to beat from any yankee, or other team from any era. During the 30's they repeatedly had brilliant offense, but neevr quite matched the '27 performance. 61 was only great for its incredible home run total. 98 was a very well rounded season, nothing to really critise the offense, but not as many historically big stats.

2007 was very good, but it wasnt that incredible, and the fact they spent most of the season battling to maintain .500 will hurt them, even if thats mostly the fault of pitching (or lack of).

Does anybody have the stats for just the second half of 2007? They were a game under .500 at the All-Star break. Their bats weren't even producing the first few months.

[Blackout]

On offense the 1927 team is hard to beat from any yankee, or other team from any era. During the 30's they repeatedly had brilliant offense, but neevr quite matched the '27 performance. 61 was only great for its incredible home run total. 98 was a very well rounded season, nothing to really critise the offense, but not as many historically big stats.

2007 was very good, but it wasnt that incredible, and the fact they spent most of the season battling to maintain .500 will hurt them, even if thats mostly the fault of pitching (or lack of).

1 they made the playoffs so how they began doesn't matter

2 they lead the league in batting, on-base AND slugging, home runs and runs scored

3 what hurts them is losing in the playoffs

[Blackout]

Does anybody have the stats for just the second half of 2007? They were a game under .500 at the All-Star break. Their bats weren't even producing the first few months.

first half: .280/.356/.436, 2,999 atbats 89 home runs 112 OPS+

sec half: .300/.376/.493 2,718 atbats 112 home runs 125 OPS+

[Honus Wagner Rules]

Let's not forget the 1976 Reds. Sure they don't have the eye-popping raw stats as some of the Yankee teams but they led the NL in runs, hits, doubles, triples, HRs, SBs, SB%, BA, OBP, SLG, OPS, and OPS+ (129) and they led in these categories by large margins. This kind of across the board domination is very uncommon.

[Urbanshocker13]

The Yankeees offense last year in the 2nd half was really amazing, especially because how much they underpreformed in the first half. Cano and Abreu just got real hot after the All-star break and stayed hot until the end of the season. It's crazy that they even made the playoffs considering how the season started, Nobody was pitching they were also all hurt, Nobody was hitting accept A-Rod. A-rod carried the team for most of the first half! If they played like they did in the 2nd half they would have been like the 98" Yankees . I Alwaystell Yankee fan ARod detractors that the Yanks wouldn't even be in the playoffs last year without ARod!

[Blackout]

the yankees hit .319 in july last year and the TEAM ops+ was 140

[HDH]

Just because a team wins the most, doesn't mean they had their best offense. Some Phillies and Tigers teams had great offenses but lost most of the time.

Why not 1930? That lineup just has no holes at all.

[Gee Walker]

The 1927 team had the best all-round offensive stats, including BA, SLG, OBP and OPS+, and still managed to score 92 runs less than the 1931 team. This isn't insignificant - 92 runs on offense last year was more than the difference between the Red Sox and the Devil Ray offense - #3 to #8 in the league. It was about 0.6 runs per game back when they played 154.

It would be interesting to find out what the formulas predict for runs scored for each team... by the looks of it, the 1927 team should have scored at least 20 more runs than the 1931 team.

I think that the reason was that the 1927 team was tremendously unbalanced - you had a great 1-5 in the batting order, followed by a 6-9 that would have fit in with an expansion team. That must have caused loads of innings to either end prematurely, with Ruth and Gehrig on base while Mark Koenig and Joe Dugan make outs, or start with two outs, when Combs and Lazzeri get on base but are stranded there when the Babe hit a screamer straight to the rightfielder.

The 1930 and 1931 teams had a better balance... in 1931 all eight starters had OPS+ over 100, and this would definitely help score more runs.

[Blackout]

but ruth and gehrig were at their best in 27

[AstrosFan]

Or in the case of Ruth, his fourth best.