1968 Free Agent Auction

[leecemark]

--The Premium Free agent auction will commence at 8PM EST on Friday, Feb 15. If you have the Hometown Discount rights to a player from the 1962 draft and wish to exercise them you must post your bid on them prior to the beginning of that auction. Any player who gets a 3 year minimum offer (8M or greater) from their team will be added to the PFA roster below. Attached are the lists of all free agent hitters and pitchers. A few of them may still be picked up in the rookie draft and, of ocurse, would no longer be available. If you see someone on these list - or left off the list - that you believe is wrong please speak up ASAP so the discrepancy can be resolved before the auction.

--From the class of 62....
1) Skipjacks - Tony Oliva, LH-OF (premium with HTD rights)
2) Gamblers - Gaylord Perry, RH-P (premium with HTD)
3) Diablos - Willie Stargell, LH-OF (already entered FA deal)
4) Quakers - Bob Veale, LH-P (premium with HTD)
5) Hard Cider - Dick Radatz, RH-P (from Legends)
6) Redbirds - Dave McNally, LH-P (premium - unrestricted)[/B
7) Cannons - [b]Denis Menke, RH-SS (premium - unrestricted)
8) Skipjacks - Jim Bouton, RH-P (from Hard Cider)
9) Skipjacks - Don Lock, RH-OF (from Knights via Hard Cider)

Second Round - $250k
10) Skipjacks - Pete Ward, LH-3B
11) Gamblers - Cookie Rojas, RH-2B
12) Hard Cider - Pete Richert, LH-P (from Diablos) (already on FA deal)
13) Legends - Jack Lamabe, RH-P (from Quakers via Hard Cider)
14) Legends - Ed Charles, RH-3B
15) Redbirds - Bob Bailey, RH-3B
16) Legends - Bob Tillman, RH-C (from Cannons)
17) Redbirds - Dal Maxvill, RH-SS (from Hard Cider)
18) Legends - Denny Lemaster, LH-P (from Knights)

Third Round - $250k
19) Redbirds - Diego Segui, RH-P (from Skipjacks via Hard Cider)
20) Gamblers - Manny Mota, RH-OF
21) Diablos - Fred Norman, LH-P
22) Quakers - Joe Pepitone, LH-1B (premium with HTD)
23) Legends - Bo Belinsky, LH-P
24) Redbirds - Tommie Agee, RH-OF
25) Knights - Max Alvis, RH-3B (from Cannons)
26) Skipjacks - Bob Humphreys, RH-P (from Hard Cider)
27) Knights - Dennis Bennett, LH-P

Additional Picks - $250k
28) Skipjacks - Fred Whitfield, LH-1B
29) Legends - Bernie Allen, LH-2B
30) Redbirds - Gene Conley, RH-P
31) Cannons - Tommy Harper, RH-OF
32) Hard Cider - Ron Taylor, RH-P
33) Knights - Don Rudolph, LH-P
34) Skipjacks - Bud Daley, LH-P
35) Diablos - Ken McMullen, RH-3B (premium with HTD)
36) Legends - Don Stenhouse, RH-P

37) Redbirds - Ken Berry, RH-OF
38) Cannons - Cal Koonce, RH-P - already on FA contract
39) Hard Cider - Sammy Ellis, RH-P
40) Skipjacks - Jim Golden, RH-P
41) Legends - Joe Bonikowski, RH-P
42) Legends - Dan Osinski, RH-P
43) Legends - John Boozer, RH-P
44) Legends - Tommie Sisk, RH-P
45) Legends - Julio Navarro, RH-P

46) Legends - Bob Botz, RH-P
47) Legends - Merritt Ranew, LH-C
48) Legends - Manny Jiminez, LH-OF
49) Legends - Ted Savage, RH-OF
50) Cannons - Jim Roland, LH-P (already on FA deal)

Other premium FA: Joe Morgan (non-tender)

[catcher24]

Mark, did you only want discrepancies noted as to free agency status, or did you want team discrepancies pointed out. I see that of all those rookies I took in 1962, I had only one left on my roster in 1967 and released him after the season (Dan Osinski). Everyone else had been traded or released previously. I know some them still played last season, but for other teams.

[leecemark]

--Not sure I understand the question Lew, but please advise of any issues you see here. I'd like to have everything right, but some of these players have changed hands several times. I wouldn't be surprised if some other than those noted have been FA before and are already under contract.

[catcher24]

I think you answered my question with your reply. I was just wondering if you wanted it noted that a player would be a FA from another team, and was no longer on the Legends. It sounds like all you're asking is that you be advised if anyone shouldn't be on the list, or if anyone is missing that should be on the list. As far as the Legends, the answer is no, everyone seems OK.

[Sockeye]

Brooks Robinson should probably be on the premium free agent list. He made $18 mil last season.

[Erik Bedard]

And whose fault was that? :p

Hey, it was worth it.

[leecemark]

Brooks Robinson should probably be on the premium free agent list. He made $18 mil last season.


--He won't (or shouldn't anyway) make anywhere near that much this year. I suppose he is good enough to be auctioned separately though. That makes 9 for Friday night. 10 is the most I want to deal with in the premium phase, so if we add more than one more somebody gets demoted to the secondary bidding. I think I'm going to start with the top guys and work my way down this year so if anybody doesn't want to stay for the whole thing (they have gotten long sometimes) they don't miss out on a real star. That will put Gaylord Perry, Dave McNally, Tony Oliva and Joe Morgan up to kick things off.

[-Kyle-]

Gaylord Perry 25million

[leecemark]

--Well that should be a short auction anyway:eek:. 27.5 would be the qualifying bid for another team.

[-Kyle-]

Yep, and Petrocelli (shudder) and Carty ...I will only be able to keep one.

Perry (25)
Petrocelli/Carty (23+)
Kaat (15)

That takes up a solid 2/3 of my roster :laugh

[J W]

This is going to be some market.

We will offer an even $20 mil for Tony Oliva.

[catcher24]

This could be a pretty quick Friday evening PFA. I don't think anyone will go 27.5M on Perry (at least I know I won't), and 22M for Oliva is a bit steep as well. However, in reviewing his record over the next four years, it could happen. I have enough OFers, but someone else might be tempted. And if it does, 12M for Aaron will be a great price, and 1M for Bobby Bonds will be an absolute steal!

[Sockeye]

and 22M for Oliva is a bit steep as well. However, in reviewing his record over the next four years, it could happen. I have enough OFers, but someone else might be tempted.

My starting outfield for the '68 season consist of Norm Miller, Jay Johnstone, & Ron Swoboda :evil:D;)

[catcher24]

My starting outfield for the '68 season consist of Norm Miller, Jay Johnstone, & Ron Swoboda

I don't think there's any doubt now that someone will be tempted....:rofl:

BTW, my starting outfield in 1968 is Hank Aaron (153 OPS+), Reggie Smith (127), Rick Monday (140), backed up by Art Shamsky (107). :dance In 1969, the same three, but improved: Aaron, 177; Smith, 143; Monday, 132; Shamsky, 139 - but he'll probably get grabbed in the expansion draft, since I can't afford to protect him.:eek:

And if you see me like this - :bowdown: - I'm simply praying to the injury gods to be kind to me this year...

[leecemark]

--If you best player had a fatal injury on Opening Day you'd still have the best team in the league:faint:

[Sockeye]

BTW, my starting outfield in 1968 is Hank Aaron (153 OPS+), Reggie Smith (127), Rick Monday (140), backed up by Art Shamsky (107). :dance In 1969, the same three, but improved: Aaron, 177; Smith, 143; Monday, 132; Shamsky, 139 ...

SHOW OFF! :hide:


And if you see me like this - :bowdown: - I'm simply praying to the injury gods to be kind to me this year...

At the moment on my roster I have exactly 0 PA's combined next season at 2B, SS, & 3B. 124 PA's in CF, 508 PA's in RF, & 536 PA's at 1B. If you're praying to the injury Gods, I'm ready to offer up an animal sacrifice!:pray::hp

[leecemark]

--Animal sacrifices are okay. Please keep in mind that human sacrifices are expressly probibited by league bylaws though.

[Sockeye]

--Animal sacrifices are okay. Please keep in mind that human sacrifices are expressly probibited by league bylaws though.

Heck, at this point I'm about ready to sacrifice my mascot or at least trade him for a middle infielder! :eek:

[Erik Bedard]

I don't think there's any doubt now that someone will be tempted....:rofl:

BTW, my starting outfield in 1968 is Hank Aaron (153 OPS+), Reggie Smith (127), Rick Monday (140), backed up by Art Shamsky (107). :dance In 1969, the same three, but improved: Aaron, 177; Smith, 143; Monday, 132; Shamsky, 139 - but he'll probably get grabbed in the expansion draft, since I can't afford to protect him.:eek:

And if you see me like this - :bowdown: - I'm simply praying to the injury gods to be kind to me this year...

Mine is Jimmy Wynn (156), Felipe Alou (142), and Jim Northrup (129), backed up by Ted Uhlaender (110). Not bad. My infield, though, isn't on par with yours at all, and my pitching, while better than I've had in years past, isn't nearly as good as yours.

[leecemark]

--I ran a report for real life pitching and yours is actually pretty good, Dan. Your staff ERA is 4th in the league (may be different based on CKL usage, of course) at 2.69. It won't be nearly that low due to park and our using the nuetral era instead of 1968, but your pitching is definately good enough to win.

[Erik Bedard]

I actually need some advice regarding my pitching. I've got four full-time starters. Then I've got three guys with around 500 BF, Santiago, Perry, and Hiller. What would be the best setup for my rotation? Would it be a straight four-man setup, a five-man rotation with Santiago on skip, or a straight five-man with Perry replacing Santiago midway through?

[leecemark]

--Either of the latter options would work fine, although even on skip Santiago probably wouldn't make it through the full season without sitting sometime. I wouldn't recommend a 4 man, but you can give it a shot if you want.

[mac195]

HC outfield:

http://www.timboucher.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/body-builder.jpg


Frank Robinson - 152 OPS+, Dick Allen - 160, Roy White - 136 part time: Johnny Callison - 120, Len Gabrielson - 137, Gates Brown - 234

[leecemark]

Willie Mays 156, Billy Williams 142, Bobby Bonds 122. Bonds is only half time though. Lee Maye 111 and Adolpho Phillips 109 will get alot of playing time.

[baseballPAP]

While not in any of your class....the Redbirds finally have a few sticks to crow about this season....my OF.....
Matty Alou 130, Reggie Jackson 138 and Lee May 135.

Also, if anyone is still lacking after the rookie draft, I have mediocre innings eaters to spare........

[J W]

From the Diamond Mind Press

Rumor has it that Sen. Mitchell has requested to speak with Mac's OF regarding the possible use of performance enhancing drugs. :)

We've got Yaz (170), Harrelson (154) and Reichardt (131) w/ a partial Jones (124) and Francona (118)... and with our bid we're obviously hopeful of retaining Oliva (144). It looks like most of us are doing fine in the OF.

Still waiting for offers for Veale, Pepitone & McMullen. Who used to be the Quakers?

[jkc32]

From the Diamond Mind Press

Still waiting for offers for Veale, Pepitone & McMullen. Who used to be the Quakers?

The Quakers are now the Shoeless Joe's. I'll post my offers either tonight or tomorrow.

[catcher24]

--If you best player had a fatal injury on Opening Day you'd still have the best team in the league

Appreciate the compliment, because I worked and planned to build this team since our first season, but I'm still not so sure. No doubt I built the decent team I wanted, though. :)

SHOW OFF!

Well, I thought I had a really decent outfield, but in looking at some of the others that have been posted, I'm only middle of the pack at best. But I think my infield and pitching will make up the difference. My outfield actually improves next year before dropping off a bit in 1970.

At the moment on my roster I have exactly 0 PA's combined next season at 2B, SS, & 3B. 124 PA's in CF, 508 PA's in RF, & 536 PA's at 1B. If you're praying to the injury Gods, I'm ready to offer up an animal sacrifice!

OUCH!!:eek:

Mine is Jimmy Wynn (156), Felipe Alou (142), and Jim Northrup (129), backed up by Ted Uhlaender (110).

For those keeping track, Alou, Northrup and Uhlaender were obtained via trade from the Legends.....

--I ran a report for real life pitching and yours is actually pretty good, Dan. Your staff ERA is 4th in the league (may be different based on CKL usage, of course) at 2.69.

And interestingly, the top three are all from the Hulbert: Legends (2.42); Shoeless Joes (2.61); Skipjacks (2.64). Also, the worst is from the Hulbert. Sorry about that, Ed - Badgers, 3.46 - over a third of a run higher than the next worst Hornets at 3.09. However, with McNally, Perry and Veale being free agents, this could change before the season starts.

I actually need some advice regarding my pitching.

I have to agree with Mark's advice to use one of the last two options. For some reason, DM does not like a four man rotation. Even if you're playing in an era that used them, the game engine seems to punish starters who go every fourth day. If I were in your position, I'd use the four man with skip, and I'd use Perry as my fifth man. Hiller would be my long relief.

Matty Alou 130, Reggie Jackson 138 and Lee May 135.

And for those keeping track, Alou was obtained in a trade with the Legends...

Rumor has it that Sen. Mitchell has requested to speak with Mac's OF regarding the possible use of performance enhancing drugs.

:rofl: :laugh :D

Well, it appears several teams can match or surpass my outfield, but my infield is pretty solid as well: McCovey, 1B, 175 OPS+; Don Buford, 2B, 142; Ron Santo, 3B, 126; Campy Campaneris, SS, 116; Bill Freehan, C, 145. Backed up by Duke Sims, C/1B, 133; Dick Green, 2B/3B, 105. I think my backup SS, who I'll have to pick up in the FA auction, could be the weak link.

Pitching I'm very proud of.
Starters should be very tough: Tom Seaver, 137 ERA+/0.98 WHIP; Luis Tiant, 184/0.87; Tommy John, 154/1.04; Fergie Jenkins, 120/1.04; Bill Hands, 110/0.99; Dock Ellis, 115/1.15.
Relief won't be as good, but will be sufficient: Ron Kline, 174/1.11; Eddie Watt, 129/1.18;Roger Nelson, 121/1.06; Bob Locker, 133/1.17; Sparky Lyle, 115/1.21; Ted Abernathy, 128/1.23 (WHIP's a bit high, so probably won't get nearly the 135 IP he achieved in real life).

The Legends are ready to go. Bring on the season!! :dance :applaud: :clapping

[Sockeye]

NEWS RELEASE......Sockeye's Angels announce the signing of Bobby Cox.

Rumor has it he'll be the starting third baseman this season as well as the teams manager! When asked to comment team ownership replied by saying

"we think this kid has a great future within our organization. Even if his bat doesn't pan out we feel he has the make up to be a very good manager someday. We're going to get his feet wet and see what he can do from day one"

[Sockeye]

The Quakers are now the Shoeless Joe's. I'll post my offers either tonight or tomorrow.

Remember Pepitone & McMullen aren't key players so you don't want to offer a lot for them! :evil:D :laugh

[-Kyle-]

NEWS RELEASE......Sockeye's Angels announce the signing of Bobby Cox.

:noidea I thought we were doing it auction style.

[Sockeye]

:noidea I thought we were doing it auction style.

Bobby Cox was chosen in the draft. He's the answer to our 3B troubles. Until we land a better 3B in the premium FA draft :)

[-Kyle-]

Ohhhh...okay. I was thinking you signed him as a FA. That confused the crap outta me.

[jkc32]

Remember Pepitone & McMullen aren't key players so you don't want to offer a lot for them! :evil:D :laugh

McMullen isn't Shoeless property...only Veale and Pepitone are.

[catcher24]

I actually need some advice regarding my pitching.

I ran off a slew of sims to test some options for my staff, and so I tested yours as well. Nothing seems to make a lot of difference for you, except using the four man rotation - that gets you killed, at least in the three sims I tried it. However, in testing it for you, I also tried it for the Legends - and it works great for me! I think I'll actually go with the four man this season. I used Seaver, Jenkins, Tiant and Hands, and they sparkled almost every time. My team ERA was usually below 3.00, depending on how "hot" one or two of the starters were. Jenkins won 30 games twice; Hands went 26-0 once. So it looks like I'll give it a shot this season.

The best rotation I found for you was a five man, set to skip, with Perry being the fifth man. I also used NO setup men, and Worthington as your closer. With this configuration, you won 100 games and your division most of the time - four out five tries, I believe. If you could find a better closer than Worthington, it would help you, since he blew double digit saves each time I thought to check him individually. FYI.

[leecemark]

--A final reminder for teams wishing to use the HTD. You must post your bid prior to the start of the auction to use that option. Once the first player get posted at 9PM EST tomorrow that door will be closed. I'll be kicking off with the Gambler's bid of 25M on Gaylord Perry. If nobody goes the 27.5M to overtake that by 9:01 we'll move on to the next player (the Perry bid will be posted approximately 9PM real time allowing significant time for other bidders before the fashionable late arrival of 9:01 BBF time:)).

[Sockeye]

--A final reminder for teams wishing to use the HTD. You must post your bid prior to the start of the auction to use that option. Once the first player get posted at 9PM EST tomorrow that door will be closed. I'll be kicking off with the Gambler's bid of 25M on Gaylord Perry. If nobody goes the 27.5M to overtake that by 9:01 we'll move on to the next player (the Perry bid will be posted approximately 9PM real time allowing significant time for other bidders before the fashionable late arrival of 9:01 BBF time:)).

Just want to make sure I have this straight this being my first free agent auction and all. The Gaylord Perry auction will begin at 9 PM EST and bidders will have exactly 1 minute to raise it to 27.5 or the auction will end? Will all auctions have a 1 minute time limit? Seems like a bit of a rush to me. With the server delays I experience on this site I'll doubt I'll be able to get a bid in in that time for any player.

Edit: Never mind I think I understand now. The BBF time runs roughly 7 minutes behind that of the actual time thus giving roughly 8 minutes to make a bid. Will there be an 8 minute time limit to raise on each of the players?

[leecemark]

--Garry, BBF time is always way behind real time. I'll post Perry at 9PM by real time, which will allow at least 10 minutes for anyone to top Kyle's HTD bid before 9:01 BBF time. I don't expect anyone to go 27.5M, but if they do the bidding will continue until its exhausted. Bidding on subsequent players will no doubt take longer. If there is a 1 minute gap between bids I start the count down on that player (going once, going twice, sold). I wait one minute between each "going", so that would be a minimum of 3 minutes before a bid is closed. A new bid puts us back to going once so, if you have a good connection, time should not be a factor.

[jkc32]

Shoeless HTD bids:

Bob Veale, $7.75M
Joe Pepitone, $7.75M

[Sockeye]

On the first post of this thread it says the draft will start at 8 PM EST, but in the reminder post it says that it starts at 9 PM EST. Which one is it?

[-Kyle-]

If anyone is that desperate for him, they can have him...:laugh I am not going over 27m.

[-Kyle-]

Just want to make sure I have this straight this being my first free agent auction and all. The Gaylord Perry auction will begin at 9 PM EST and bidders will have exactly 1 minute to raise it to 27.5 or the auction will end? Will all auctions have a 1 minute time limit? Seems like a bit of a rush to me. With the server delays I experience on this site I'll doubt I'll be able to get a bid in in that time for any player.

Edit: Never mind I think I understand now. The BBF time runs roughly 7 minutes behind that of the actual time thus giving roughly 8 minutes to make a bid. Will there be an 8 minute time limit to raise on each of the players?

Hehe...are you thinking of getting Perry? :dance

[leecemark]

On the first post of this thread it says the draft will start at 8 PM EST, but in the reminder post it says that it starts at 9 PM EST. Which one is it?

My mistake. It should be 8, not 9.

[catcher24]

Bob Veale, $7.75M
Joe Pepitone, $7.75M

Very clever planning on your part, Joe! :cool:

If anyone's interested in either of these players, that means a minimum 8.75M bid with rounding up, and at least a three year contract. That third year isn't worth it for Veale, especially since I am going to go with a four man rotation this year. But I thought about him....;)

[Sockeye]

My mistake. It should be 8, not 9.

Tell everybody 9, you show up at 8 and get all the premiums for peanuts. I see how it is! :laugh

[Erik Bedard]

Very clever planning on your part, Joe! :cool:

If anyone's interested in either of these players, that means a minimum 8.75M bid with rounding up, and at least a three year contract. That third year isn't worth it for Veale, especially since I am going to go with a four man rotation this year. But I thought about him....;)

If the object is just to make anyone who wants Veale pay for a third year, then 7.25 would work just as well.

[Sockeye]

Hehe...are you thinking of getting Perry? :dance

Sure am, Perry, McMullen, McNally, Menke, Morgan, Oliva, Peppitone, Robinson, Veal. I want them ALL! :rofl::crazy

[jkc32]

Very clever planning on your part, Joe! :cool:

If anyone's interested in either of these players, that means a minimum 8.75M bid with rounding up, and at least a three year contract. That third year isn't worth it for Veale, especially since I am going to go with a four man rotation this year. But I thought about him....;)

Figured I'd force someone to eat some salary in year 3 if they really wanted either of them. However, as Erik points out, If I end up getting both at their current price I've overspent by $1M...I may have outsmarted myself!:ughh

[catcher24]

Sure am, Perry, McMullen, McNally, Menke, Morgan, Oliva, Peppitone, Robinson, Veal. I want them ALL!

Well, if you want veal I think you can get it at most any restaurant that serves beef...:laugh:laugh

However, if you want Bob Veale, I think you'll have a more difficult time. And if you're planning on getting ALL of them, I think your cap is a lot higher than mine!!:disbelief::nod:

[catcher24]

Figured I'd force someone to eat some salary in year 3 if they really wanted either of them. However, as Erik points out, If I end up getting both at their current price I've overspent by $1M...I may have outsmarted myself!

Erik is correct. However, then whoever picked them up could have them for a flat 8M, and of course the buyout for that third year would be less - 4M as compared to 4.5M. So if your objective was to force anyone taking them to pay more in the final year, you accomplished that, if at some cost to yourself.

[Erik Bedard]

I believe Garry at one point had a 18.5M payroll. So I'd guess that he'd have roughly a 65M budget for the auction -- more than three times mine.

Still, he won't get McNally, Perry AND Veale.

[leecemark]

Tell everybody 9, you show up at 8 and get all the premiums for peanuts. I see how it is! :laugh

--Peanuts is all I have to offer. I'm at 99M with 2 roster spots to fill :(. I"'ll strictly be the auctioneer tomorrow.

[buppers]

Will there be an updated file sent out covering all draft picks, trades, drops, etc.?
What about roster sizes, openings, available cash???

Or should I continue scavenging threads for pertinint info? :)

Ed

[leecemark]

--Updated rosters and free agent lists are attached. Everyone needs to post their current cap level prior to bidding on any free agents. Please remember that you need to have enough money to sign 40 players. Set aside at least 250K per open spot before going for broke on your dream player.

[leecemark]

--The Knights are at 99M for 38 players.

[buppers]

Please remove Howard, Hall, Roof and Blasingame. All signed to 1 year FA contracts in 67.
I will remove Ed Charles from Roster page as I see him as a 6 year Free Agent, signed in 62. Is that correct?

Ed

[Erik Bedard]

Ah, I forgot to post that I was non-tendering Jim Lonborg. Oh well. Anybody who wants a guy to eat about 275 innings over the next couple years can have Lonborg for very little. Please contact me by tonight if interested.

[baseballPAP]

The Redbirds come in at 37 players and 76.5M.

3 guys in our sights tonight......and a cool 24.5M to play with.

[Sockeye]

Jim McAndrew and Jim Ray should also be on my roster.

[mac195]

HC - 33 players - $79.25M

[jkc32]

Shoeless is currently at 42 players for $81.5M. I've got my eye on 4-7 players. No worries, one way or another, I'll trim down to 40 players by opening day.

I'm also looking to deal the solid 1968 pitchers below. Picks and RH hitters always welcomed.

Ken Johnson
Al McBean
Dick Kelley

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox: 39 players, 83.75M. There might be one guy we want in the FA market.

[J W]

34 players, $77.75 mil.

I won't be able to make the auction, but ladies first right? I've sent in a list to Mark. If anyone drops $22 mil on Oliva we'll be quite active. Otherwise, we're done.

[leecemark]

Please remove Howard, Hall, Roof and Blasingame. All signed to 1 year FA contracts in 67.
I will remove Ed Charles from Roster page as I see him as a 6 year Free Agent, signed in 62. Is that correct?

Ed

--He was drafted in 62 which makes him a FA this year, yes.

[leecemark]

Jim McAndrew and Jim Ray should also be on my roster.


--McAndrew I just missed when you drafted him and I've added him. Ray is on the Shoeless Joes roster. Looking back I see the Cannons did draft him in 1965. Whether he ended up with the Joes via trade or my error (3 season old draft misassignment that was never caught?) I don't know. Joe can you clear that up? Did you trade for him at some point or should he be reassigned to the Angels? He has not appeared in a game for anyone since being drafted, so he is a 500K player (salary doubling this year) with 3 years left under team control for whoever owns him.

[buppers]

Badgers roster at
26 players - 59.75

Which leaves me with 37 million to play around with tonight :)
Ed

[Sockeye]

--McAndrew I just missed when you drafted him and I've added him. Ray is on the Shoeless Joes roster. Looking back I see the Cannons did draft him in 1965. Whether he ended up with the Joes via trade or my error (3 season old draft misassignment that was never caught?) I don't know. Joe can you clear that up? Did you trade for him at some point or should he be reassigned to the Angels? He has not appeared in a game for anyone since being drafted, so he is a 500K player (salary doubling this year) with 3 years left under team control for whoever owns him.

It was my mistake. I traded Ray but forgot to remove him from my roster. sorry bout the mixup.

[Sockeye]

The Angels check in at 25 players = $30.25 mil. Leaving us with roughly $67 mil to play with tonight. Our needs in order of importance are SS, 2B, CF, 3B, RF, 1B, LF, C, SP, RP

[leecemark]

--If I have caught everything so far we have 4 player going on the block tonight for whom HTD bids have been submitted; Gaylord Perry 25M, Tony Oliva 20M and Joe Pepitone and Bob Veale 7.75M. They will be the first 4 players auctioned. The remaining PFA's are Dave McNally, Joe Morgan, Ken McMullen, Brooks Robinson and Dennis Menke - they will be auctioned in that order. The Diablos do have the HTD available for McMullen, which if exercised would move him up the auction order.

[Erik Bedard]

Is it possible to have McNally go before Veale, since most people who want Veale would probably prefer McNally, and they wouldn't want to be removed from the running on Veale when they have a chance to win, or vice versa.

[Sockeye]

I'm in favor of leaving it the way it is with the HTD guys first.

[leecemark]

--Veale going up first does make for some interesting choices. He may go at a relative bargin with teams holding back for McNally. Maybe an opportunity for somebody without alot of money to spend.

[ElHalo]

30 players, $80.25 mill.

Mark, your roster list for me is missing Dan McGinn.

Can I make a HTD bid on McMullen of $0.25?

[-Kyle-]

I am here for the auction. 70ish mil. I'll check on it in a sec, I haven't put my drafted guys in.

[leecemark]

30 players, $80.25 mill.

Mark, your roster list for me is missing Dan McGinn.

Can I make a HTD bid on McMullen of $0.25?

--Sure, but it would only take a .50 bid to override that. That is surely going to be the case.

[catcher24]

The Legends are at 31 players, 74.25M.

[leecemark]

--I have proxies for the Hornets and Skipjacks tonight. The Hornets are at 46M for 30 players, so look for some spending there.

[buppers]

Badgers here!

[Sockeye]

Angels ready for auction

[jkc32]

Shoeless is lurking.

[Sockeye]

After the premium auction is over what is the format for the other free agents?

[leecemark]

--Still quite a bit of time before the offical start by BBF time, but I'll go ahead and put the first player up. Gaylord Perry is on the block. The Gamblers have a HTD bid of 25M on the table. Any other interested parties have a minimum bid of 27.5M to top that. You've got til 8:01 BBF time to post if you'd like to commit over a quarter of your payroll for the next 3 years (minimum):eek:.

[mac195]

Shoeless is lurking.
Me too. And with all the deep pockets around that's probably all I'll be doing.

[Sockeye]

...27.5...

[leecemark]

After the premium auction is over what is the format for the other free agents?


--Bids on non-premium free agents may be made commencing with the close of this auction. That auction is open til Tuesday at 9PM EST. if there is somebody you really want try and be here that last 15 minutes or so. That is when it gets interesting. There have been some serious overpays when a couple teams feel like they just HAVE to have a certain player.

[catcher24]

Legends present and accounted for, sir! And we won't be bidding on Mr. Gaylord Perry this evening.

[mac195]

Gaylord Perry is on the block.
If I had the money free, I'd make an offer... even at that price.

[buppers]

Pass on Perry

[catcher24]

Mac, if I had the money free I probably would as well, but since my spending limit this evening is 23.5M maximum, I guess it's out of the question....

[-Kyle-]

...27.5...

Holy Crap...Good luck with him :)

[catcher24]

Hammer it down, Mark. I don't think anyone else is going to bid, but of course I could be wrong.

[catcher24]

OOOPS, sorry, my bad. I see it's just now 8PM BBF time.

[catcher24]

Garry, regarding the regular free agent auction, you can bid on as many players as you wish until the final hour. During the final hour, you can only bid on one player per post. The last 15 minutes, as Mark said, get pretty hectic. The final couple of minutes are insane!!:eek:

[catcher24]

Kyle, how much salary did you have going in? Guess this will create some bidding on your part, eh?

[Sockeye]

Garry, regarding the regular free agent auction, you can bid on as many players as you wish until the final hour. During the final hour, you can only bid on one player per post. The last 15 minutes, as Mark said, get pretty hectic. The final couple of minutes are insane!!:eek:

Sounds like fun! But the real action doesn't take place until the tuesday evening huh?

[leecemark]

--Sorry, slight interruption. Perry going once..

[baseballPAP]

Pant Pant Pant.....just got in.....Redbirds are here...and NO, we won't be bidding on Mr. Perry.

[leecemark]

--Catching up, Perry going twice....

[buppers]

8 owners and 2 proxies. not bad

[catcher24]

Sounds like fun! But the real action doesn't take place until the tuesday evening huh?

Well, bidding will of course occur, and I try to update the current bids at least once per day, usually twice. But of course, if you're bidding on say five guys, and it gets down to the last couple of minutes and all of a sudden three of your bids get surpassed, you've gotta decide who to use your last couple of posts on. The auction ends at 9:01 BBF time (or 10:01, depends on the start time, but one hour from the single bid per post time) and any bids after that time are invalid. You can lose a guy you figured you had all along in the last 30 seconds.

[leecemark]

--Sold to the Angels and Mr Perry shatters the salary record.

[catcher24]

Well, Garry, congrats, I guess. But that's one heck of a lot of $$$ on one player.

[leecemark]

--Next up Tony Oliva. The Skipjacks have a 20M HTD on him. Other bidders the opener is 22M.

[leecemark]

--Hornets go 22M

[buppers]

Badgers pass

[baseballPAP]

As much as I'd like to...the Redbirds pass again.

[-Kyle-]

67.25 + .75 (1st rounder) + (6).25 = 69.50...About thirty million to play with.

edit: and 26+7, so 33 players, I need 7 guys.

[jkc32]

Shoeless passes.

[Sockeye]

Well, Garry, congrats, I guess. But that's one heck of a lot of $$$ on one player.

Thank you! It's all part of the plan.

[leecemark]

22M going once

[leecemark]

22M going twice

[catcher24]

About thirty million to play with.

Is that with or without Perry's salary included? If it's with, then you have about 50M to play with....

[catcher24]

Legends pass on Oliva.

[leecemark]

Sold to the Hornets for 22M

[leecemark]

--Next up Bob Veale. The Shoeless Joes have a HTD bid of 7.75M. Other bidders start at 8.75M.

[-Kyle-]

Is that with or without Perry's salary included? If it's with, then you have about 50M to play with....

Without, but now when Mantle+Flood get off my team, I might be able to get both Carty and Petrocelli. We'll see. :D

[buppers]

Badgers go 8.75

[catcher24]

The Gold Sox bid 9M on Veale.

[-Kyle-]

Boston Gamblers Pass.

[buppers]

Badgers go 9.5

[Sockeye]

Angels pass on Veale

[catcher24]

Without, but now when Mantle+Flood get off my team, I might be able to get both Carty and Petrocelli. We'll see.

Yes, you may be able to keep them both. That's a lot of money freed up.

[leecemark]

9.5 going once

[catcher24]

Gold Sox bid 10M on Veale.

[buppers]

10.5 million

[catcher24]

10.75M, Gold Sox

[buppers]

Badgers pass

[leecemark]

10.75 going once

[leecemark]

10.75 going twice

[mac195]

I got Veale's autograph once... wasn't even looking for an autograph... just standing down near the field at Fenway watching the players and he came over and wanted to sign my program. I didn't even know who he was at the time.

[leecemark]

Sold to the Gold Sox

[-Kyle-]

I got Veale's autograph once... wasn't even looking for an autograph... just standing down near the field at Fenway watching the players and he came over and wanted to sign my program. I didn't even know who he was at the time.

Heh, that's awesome. I bet this game must be like revisting your childhood for some of the old timers. :hide:

[leecemark]

Next up Joe Pepitone. Shoeless also has an 7.75 HTD bid on him. 8.75 for another team to bid.

[buppers]

Badgers pass.

[catcher24]

Heh, that's awesome. I bet this game must be like revisting your childhood for some of the old times.

Well, I'm the oldest league owner, I think, and yeah, it's like going back to my teenage years. I lived on Strat-O-Matic, and I still have the teams and the Strat cards of most of the guys in the league.

[leecemark]

Hornets go 8.75

[catcher24]

Legends pass on Pepitone.

[jkc32]

Shoeless passes on Pepitone.

[baseballPAP]

If only he was familiar with the term "take a pitch".... Redbirds pass.

[leecemark]

Sold to the Gold Sox
Veale is pretty darn good in 1968. It was already pretty close between Dan and I for division favorite. I think this makes him the front runner. Sucks to be broke:confused:. Too much like real life:eek:.

[leecemark]

8.75 going once

[catcher24]

I think this makes him the front runner.

Strangely enough, Mark, I just sent Dan a PM telling him he got Veale, and in it I mentioned that signing Veale may have locked up the division for him this season....

[leecemark]

8.75 going twice

[catcher24]

But since I'm going with a four man rotation this year, Tommy John might be available for the right price....

[leecemark]

--Sold for 8.75M

[leecemark]

--Next up Dave McNally. No minimum, but he will fetch a good price so lets not mess around with bidding our way up from the low millions.

[catcher24]

Legends bid 15M on McNally.

[Sockeye]

...20.00...

[buppers]

21.00 million

[catcher24]

Darn you and that fat wallet!!:hp :mad::rant::grouchy

[Sockeye]

...22.00...

[leecemark]

--The Hornets have a decent pitching staff, but their offense was abysmal. Oliva and Pepitone go a long way toward fixing that. With Perry joining the Angels as well the back half of the Cartwright looks much better. Those 2 teams were so bad in the early sims that the 2nd place team in their divison ha a big leg up in the WC race.

[buppers]

Bafgers pass..again

[leecemark]

22M going once

[catcher24]

And he got Rader from me in a trade, and Rader has a decent season this year.

[mac195]

22M is a relative bargain, but too high for me...

[leecemark]

22M going twice

[catcher24]

Too high for me as well, Legends pass with regret....

[leecemark]

--Sold for 22M

[leecemark]

--Next up Joe Morgan. This one should be interesting.

[Sockeye]

...5.00...

[buppers]

Won't pay for so-so years - pass

[catcher24]

Legends bid 7.75M on Morgan.

[baseballPAP]

Don't need him, but the Redbirds bid 8 M anyway.

[mac195]

9M for morgan

[leecemark]

--Perry and McNally, paired with Cuellar and Messersmith, will be one mean rotation next year. Spending half your payroll on 2 pitchers means the lineup is going to be strictly bargin basement though. And still lots of wholes to fill just to field a team this year.

[catcher24]

9.5M for Morgan

[-Kyle-]

Perry also has a VERY nice 1971 season and is quite solid the other years (142 ERA+ in 69)

[leecemark]

9.5 going once

[baseballPAP]

9.75M for the Redbirds

[mac195]

10M for Little Joe

[leecemark]

10M going once

[leecemark]

10M going twice

[catcher24]

10.25M for Morgan

[Erik Bedard]

Sold to the Gold Sox

This makes a terrible night that much better. I would have preferred McNally, but Veale at just 10.75 is perfectly fine. Solves my rotation problem as well.

[mac195]

I won't go any higher on a player I don't need, but he's still a bargain.

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds pass

[leecemark]

10.25 going once

[leecemark]

10.25 going twice

[Sockeye]

--Perry and McNally, paired with Cuellar and Messersmith, will be one mean rotation next year. Spending half your payroll on 2 pitchers means the lineup is going to be strictly bargin basement though. And still lots of wholes to fill just to field a team this year.

Wonder if I'll do any better in the sims now with Perry & McNally?

[catcher24]

I just ran a quick sim with Veale in the rotation, and the Gold Sox and Knights tied for the division lead....

[-Kyle-]

I want to join in a bit, but nothing really catches my eye. =/ Shame.

[leecemark]

--No doubt you will. How much do you have left to get some guys to play behind them now?

[catcher24]

And you finished at 75-93, Garry. So I think you still need some offense.

[leecemark]

Sold for 10.25

[Sockeye]

--No doubt you will. How much do you have left to get some guys to play behind them now?

17.5 left to play with.

[catcher24]

Well, I have to consider that a decent amount for Morgan, even the weak years. But when this contract runs out, he'll challenge Perry's record, I think.

[leecemark]

--Next up Ken McMullen. Doesn't have the big name, but he is a fine ballplayer for a few years.

[buppers]

Badgers pass,,,

[baseballPAP]

Been continually simming since we started....Sockeye, you're up about 15-20 wins...EB about 3 or 4, but those are a BIG 3 or 4. AC has moved up 10-12 games as well.

[-Kyle-]

McMullen 5m

[mac195]

3M for Ken

[Erik Bedard]

5.25 on McMullen

[-Kyle-]

Been continually simming since we started....Sockeye, you're up about 15-20 wins...EB about 3 or 4, but those are a BIG 3 or 4. AC has moved up 10-12 games as well.

And Gamblers down about 40 :P

[-Kyle-]

5.5...........

[leecemark]

Skipjacks bid 6M

[mac195]

7.75 for Ken

[leecemark]

8M for Skipjacks

[Erik Bedard]

Been continually simming since we started....Sockeye, you're up about 15-20 wins...EB about 3 or 4, but those are a BIG 3 or 4. AC has moved up 10-12 games as well.

That's a VERY big 3-4. Michael Vick would approve of the Johnson this year, it'll be a dogfight.

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox pass.

[Sockeye]

Been continually simming since we started....Sockeye, you're up about 15-20 wins...EB about 3 or 4, but those are a BIG 3 or 4. AC has moved up 10-12 games as well.

Not bad for a night's work. Out of curiosity who are you using at 2B/SS for me?

[-Kyle-]

McMullen 8.5

[leecemark]

..................8.75

[leecemark]

8.75 going once

[Erik Bedard]

Is it the Hornets going 8.75?

[-Kyle-]

Yeah that's enough for me. I'll find another 3b to get me through 68.

[catcher24]

In the sim I ran, I didn't look at rotations and the stupid CM DIDN'T have Veale in the rotation. With him in the rotation, and some tweaking to the pitching assignments, you just won the Johnson division by 25 GAMES!!??? I'll have to look at those lineups and try again....

[leecemark]

--Going twice...to the Skipjacks

[catcher24]

Somebody else buy McMullen!! Get him away from the Skipjacks....

[leecemark]

In the sim I ran, I didn't look at rotations and the stupid CM DIDN'T have Veale in the rotation. With him in the rotation, and some tweaking to the pitching assignments, you just won the Johnson division by 25 GAMES!!??? I'll have to look at those lineups and try again....


--Veale isn't that good:bowdown:. I may lose the division, but that most have been a sim where EVERYTHING went right for the Sox and wrong for me. It should be close, but you never know.

[leecemark]

sold for 8.75

[Erik Bedard]

If anybody needs/wants/thinks it would be cool to have Maury Wills, PLEASE contact me ASAP.

[leecemark]

--Next up Brooks Robinson

[baseballPAP]

Cox at 3B, Alyea at 2B, Norm Miller at SS....lets just say the D ain't pretty.

[leecemark]

If anybody needs/wants/thinks it would be cool to have Maury Wills, PLEASE contact me ASAP.

--I'll give you Fregosi straight up

[baseballPAP]

How much does Wills make?

[catcher24]

Well, the idiot CM set all the lineups. I tweaked the Gold Sox rotation. I don't know what went wrong for your staff, Mark, but you had a team ERA of 4.32. Once the human set lineups/rotations start getting posted, maybe we can get some better results...

[leecemark]

--Hornets 5M

[buppers]

Brooks - 5 mil

[Erik Bedard]

--Veale isn't that good:bowdown:. I may lose the division, but that most have been a sim where EVERYTHING went right for the Sox and wrong for me. It should be close, but you never know.

Veale isn't... but him plus moving Perry (138 ERA+) and Santiago (142) to the bullpen might be. Plus now Al Freakin' Worthington won't close for me.

[buppers]

6 million....

[leecemark]

--Badgers go 6M on Brooks

[mac195]

Brooks 6M...

[baseballPAP]

Brooks....8M

[leecemark]

--Still with us I see Ed:)

[Erik Bedard]

How much does Wills make?

7.75M. A bit pricey, but he can be a full-time 3B or SS, and he's got great speed and actually sorta knows how to take a walk. Just no power.

[-Kyle-]

Veale isn't... but him plus moving Perry (138 ERA+) and Santiago (142) to the bullpen might be. Plus now Al Freakin' Worthington won't close for me.

Hey hes a fine reliever...did some good for the Gamblers...don't diss him :P.

5.5 Brooksie

[-Kyle-]

6.25........

[catcher24]

Yeah, it all went wrong for you, Mark. How about Sonny Siebert with a 4.55 ERA; Pascual, 5.14; Dierker, 5.17?

[leecemark]

8M going once (Aparently this Redbird bid got overlooked)

[leecemark]

Badgers 9M (sorry untimely phone call)

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds 9.25M

[leecemark]

Badgers 9.5

[leecemark]

9.5 going once

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds 10M

[leecemark]

badgers 11m

[catcher24]

Ol' Brooksie's getting right up there again...

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds 12M, and thats all.

[-Kyle-]

Ol' Brooksie's getting right up there again...

:eek: I know!!!

[leecemark]

Badgers 12.25

[Sockeye]

Ol' Brooksie's getting right up there again...

Brooksie's living the good life after his past couple contracts. Not to mention he's getting 9.00 from me this year from his buyout.

[leecemark]

going once....

[baseballPAP]

Damn....one more try....12.5M

[mac195]

I'm surprised Robinson is getting more than Morgan.

[Sockeye]

I'm surprised Robinson is getting more than Morgan.

That's makes two of us. :faint:

[leecemark]

Badgers 13M

[leecemark]

--I'm running out of time and 1 more player to go.. Any other bidders on Robinson?

[baseballPAP]

Pass.....<sigh>

[leecemark]

Going once

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox trade Maury Wills to the Redbirds for their 1969 first-round pick.