1968 Rookie draft

[leecemark]

--The draft will commence immediately following the non-tender deadline at midnight EST 01 Feb. It will be untimed until Friday, Feb 08, at 8PM EST when we will go through the end of the third round. Please review the draft order below and let me know if I've missed (or imagined:)) any traded picked.

Round One
1M salary
1) Knights from Angels: Andy Messersmith
2) Angels from Redbirds: Bobby Bonds
3) Legends from Badgers: Richie Hebner
4) Redbirds from Gold Sox: Carlos May
750K salary
5) Legends from Hornets: Dock Ellis
6) Shoeless Joes: Al Oliver
7) Diablos: Ted Simmons
8) Gamblers: Bill Melton
500K salary
9) Hard Cider: Merv Rettenmund
10) Badgers from Knights: Del Unser
11) Angels from Skipjacks: Tom Hall
12) Hornets from Legends: Dusty Baker

All remaining draftees at 250K
Round Two
13) Angels : Rollie Fingers
14) Redbirds: Jack Billingham
15) Angels from Badgers: Jim McAndrew
16) Gamblers from Gold Sox: Marty Pattin
17) Hornets: Wayne Granger
18) Redbirds from Shoeless Joes: Don Money
19) Hard Cider from Diablos: John Mayberry
20) Shoeless Joes from Gamblers: Vincente Romo
21) Gamblers from Hard Cider: Eddie LeonB]
22) Shoeless Joes from Knights:[B] Larry Hisle
23) Skipjacks: Hal Mcrae
24) Legends: Tom Burgmier

Round Three
25) Angels: Ralph Garr
26) Redbirds: Tom Murphy
27) Badgers: Ellie Hendricks
28) Hard Cider from Gold Sox: Bill Sudakis
29) Hornets: Joe Lahoud
30) Shoeless Joes: Freddie Patek
31) Diablos: Les Cain
32) Gold Sox from Gamblers: Forfeited to playing time violation
33) Gamblers from Hard Cider: Mike Paul
34) Knights: Jim Rooker
35) Angels from Skipjacks: Ellie Rodriguez
36) Legends: John Cumberland

Round Four
37) Angels: Gail Hopkins
38) Redbirds: Dave Nelson
39) Badgers: Hector Torres
40) Badgers from Angels from Gold Sox: Jim Spencer
41) Hornets: Joe Hague
42) Shoeless Joes: Darrell Patterson
43) Diablos: Dan McGinn
44) Gamblers: Danny Walton
45) Hard Cider: Horatio Pina
46) Knights: Carl Taylor
47) Skipjacks: Mike Fiore
48) Legends : Fred Beene

Round Five
49) Angels Steve Kealey
50) Redbirds: pass
51) Badgers: Jerry Johnson
52) Gold Sox: Bruce Look
53) Hornets: Skip
54) Shoeless Joes: pass
55) Diablos: pass
56) Gamblers: Gary Holman
57) Hard Cider: Jerry Nyman
58) Knights: Gary Ross
59) Skipjacks: Joe Keough
60) Legends: Mike Jorgenson

Round 6
61) Angels: Bobby Cox
62) Redbirds: pass
63) Badgers: pass
64) Gold Sox: Rick Renick
65) Hornets: Pass
66) Shoeless Joes: Pass
67) Diablos: pass
68) Gamblers: Dick Billings
69) Knights: pass
70) Hard Cider: Pass
71) Skipjacks: Frank Reberger
72) legends: pass

round 7
73) Angels: Jim Holt
74) Gold Sox: Ed Sprague
75) Gamblers: Jeff James

Round 8
76) Gold Sox: Al Santori
77) Gamblers:

[jkc32]

The Shoeless Joe's original 2nd round pick belongs to the Redbirds from a trade made during this off-season.

[-Kyle-]

I'll be on, and if I go I will send LMark a proxy.

[Sockeye]

I'm just waiting for the Knights to confirm Bonds being #1 pick, then I'll make my selection.

[-Kyle-]

Best possible pick (lmark) I might be busy.

[leecemark]

--Nobody's clock starts until a week from today. I hope we get a round or more in before then, but the live portion of the draft starts at 8PM EST on the 8th.

[-Kyle-]

Oh, I thought it was this friday, my bad. I am here now though.

[leecemark]

--I guess there is really no need to wait til midnight, so I'll go ahead and make my pick. The Knights select U-Cal standout pitcher Andy Messersmith. This was somewhat of a late shift in our front office plans. The Knights trades up to get this pick were made with the idea of landing exceptionally athletic young outfielder Bobby Bonds. The more our scouts saw of Messersmith the more it turned into a split decision though. Ultimately we decided that our need for pitching over the next few years outweighed our need for another outfielder.

[Sockeye]

With the 2nd overall pick in the 1968 draft Sockeye's Angels selects.....Bobby Bonds

[catcher24]

A great pick, Mark, IMHO. :applaud: :thumbsup:That's the way I saw it as well. Bonds is a fantastic talent, but there are a lot more very good to excellent OFers than there are starting pitchers.

[catcher24]

And not a bad second choice at all, Garry!

[leecemark]

--I think Bonds is the best player debuting this year from a sheer value standpoint. I do have Willie Mays and Billy Williams holding down 2 outfield spots thru at least 1971 though. There are also at least 8 good outfielders hitting the free agent market in the 68-69 offseason. No shortage of them coming up in the draft either. With only 2 SP under contract by 1970 and one by 1971 that was an area that needed to be addressed.

[leecemark]

--And now that is commentary on picks 1 and 2 is in, the Legends select....:reporter:

[catcher24]

The Legends, with their first pick in the 1968 rookie draft, select a power hitting young third baseman:

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RICHIE HEBNER

In announcing the pick, Legends management had this to say:
We're more than pleased to be able to take this young man with our first pick. Although Rich is presently designated as a third baseman, we have Ron Santo there and expect Ron to be there a few more years at least. However, we think with some work Rich can be used both at first and third, and with a bit of minor league experience will be a valuable asset to our team, able to fill in for both Ron and Big Mac when needed. We love his bat, and with the serious discussions taking place at the league meetings of a "designated hitter rule" being implemented in the near future, we feel Rich will certainly help us there as well.

[leecemark]

--Another fine selection. I found a significant dropoff from the top 2 rookies to the rest, but Hebner is one of a half dozen or so guys who will make a sizeable long term contribution.
--Scott, the Redbirds are good to go when you check in next.

[baseballPAP]

Though not the best player available, he is however the best first 6 years player available.....

The Redbirds select Lee's little brother, Carlos May.

Also, it appears I have a surplus of inning eating solid starting pitchers. I'd package up a solid arm with my #2 pick to move up, at least until the other guy I want is gone (probably very soon).

[leecemark]

--We're off to a nice start with this early drafting:). Back to you Lew.

[catcher24]

There were two players I wanted to get with my two top five picks. I wanted Hebner and this guy, who I think is the best pitcher in the entire draft (over the next six years) outside of Messersmith. I took Hebner first, hoping that Scott wouldn't take him with the fourth pick. I figured it was a safe gamble, since Scott had quite a few starters. So with their second pick of the 1968 rookie draft, the Legends select pitcher:

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DOCK ELLIS

[catcher24]

And now I'll just watch, since I don't get another pick until 18 slots are gone...

[J W]

Hebner and Ellis... and to think they're nothing but depth, uy...

We've got one pick in the first three rounds, but it is #11. If we don't see any players we're targeting, we'll entertain trade-down offers.

[Erik Bedard]

And now I'll just watch, since I don't get another pick until 18 slots are gone...

Not as bad as me. My first pick is the 53rd overall.

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Al Oliver, OF.

[leecemark]

--No surprises so far. 4 of the 5 guys I saw as candidates for the 3rd pick are off the board. Diablos are up - will they grab the last one? Or did I overlook someone:hp?

[leecemark]

--The Knights and Angels have reached agreement on a trade of the first two players selected in this draft. Andy Messersmith packs his bags for LA before he even got a chance to visit Motown (probably not a disappointment for the California lad:)). In return the Knights pick up Bobby Bonds, an option to swap first rounders in the first round of the 1969 draft or take the Angels #2, and the Angels #3 in 1969. Sockeye, please confirm.

[-Kyle-]

Waiting on EH, I have 2 people I am looking at.

[Sockeye]

--The Knights and Angels have reached agreement on a trade of the first two players selected in this draft. Andy Messersmith packs his bags for LA before he even got a chance to visit Motown (probably not a disappointment for the California lad:)). In return the Knights pick up Bobby Bonds, an option to swap first rounders in the first round of the 1969 draft or take the Angels #2, and the Angels #3 in 1969. Sockeye, please confirm.

Confirmed.

[mac195]

Mark gets Bonds, a 2nd, and a 3rd for Messersmith? Good grief. I was thinking he slipped up a little not grabbing Bonds with the 1st pick. Guess not.

[catcher24]

Depends on what you need, Mac. I would've taken Messersmith #1 also because I have two outfielders already who are pretty equal to Bonds (except for the number of stolen bases), and a third who's better (Aaron), but I'm losing a couple of pitchers so Andy would've been a much better fit.

I think what Mark will end up doing is swapping number one picks next year, and forget the second and third rounders. Remember, 16 players go per round next year, and you're already down to the 21st best player in the second round (expansion teams go first in each round), and 37th in the third round - if the Angels finish dead last, which I don't see happening again in 68. And from a quick look, the 69 draft isn't one of the better ones.

[leecemark]

--I will probably end up trading firsts instead of taking the 2nd, but wouldn't have made the deal without the option. While I hope to contend this year, I could easily drop to the middle of the pack. My team has gone backward this year with 2 of my top 3 SP gone and several players falling off their 1967 performance - with nobody stepping up significantly (well Bolin is back from an injury year). Meanwhile the Gold Sox have mortaged the future to build a very strong 68 ball club. I hope - now that we've made this deal - that the Angels will finish near the bottom, but the Badgers did let me down after I dealt for their pick this year;). If our picks are within a few spots I'd rather have the extra body in the 2nd to restock the farm system. I did reserve the right to withhold my decision right up til Sockeye is on the clock in the draft - so it depends who is availble in that spot.
--Messersmith was my first pick based on simple supply and demand. There is a shortage of frontline pitching coming available in the next couple years via the draft or free agency. I have 2 OF spots filled for the next 4 years in Williams and Mays and there are 8 free agent outfielders next offseason I'd be happy to have manning the 3rd spot. Even though I got a great package from Sockeye I was almost hoping he'd say it was too much and I would have just stuck with my original plan.

[catcher24]

--No surprises so far. 4 of the 5 guys I saw as candidates for the 3rd pick are off the board

Hebner, May, Ellis, Oliver and ....?? I think I know who you refer to, and I'm rather surprised he isn't gone already. However, I had a couple others rated pretty high who might still go ahead of that guy, depending on what a team needs.

[leecemark]

--If we are correctly reading each others minds then he does fill a need for the Diablos. Hopefully Jim will get online sometime today and get us moving again - and end the suspense. Alot of the best talent in this draft doesn't pay off for a few years. I don't think I'd risk a first rounder on a guy too far down the road with expansion looming next year.

[J W]

I completely agree that Joe Lahoud fills a critical hole for the Diablos.

[-Kyle-]

Since a drafted person is going to be eligible in their third year (1970)...can we drop our current franchise tag and put it on him for 1970s?

[leecemark]

--The next opportunity to add a franchise player (and you don't have to drop your original guy to do it) will be for players drafted between 1970-79.

[ElHalo]

Ted Simmons.

[leecemark]

--Well that isn't who I had in mind, but he is arguably the best player in the draft. Unfortunately you'll have to protect an A ball player from expansion and then resign him as a free agent to get most of that value.

[ElHalo]

--Well that isn't who I had in mind, but he is arguably the best player in the draft. Unfortunately you'll have to protect an A ball player from expansion and then resign him as a free agent to get most of that value.

I surprisingly have comparatively few players I really need to protect (there's a lot of bad contracts on my roster I wouldn't mind losing), so that's not a problem. And the resigning thing I'm also not too concerned about; the back three years of his rookie contract are good enough for me.

[-Kyle-]

Gamblers are pleased to announce the draft pick of:

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/players/pics/bill_melton_autograph.jpg

Bill Melton

[leecemark]

--Thats the guy. Really this is a much better fit for Melton too. He and Fenway are a marrige made in heaven. The Diablos wouldn't have made quite as good use of him in the Astrodome.

[leecemark]

--Hard Cider up. Badgers on deck. Got to head into work. I'll try and pop back in at lunch. Have a great day all!

[-Kyle-]

He does. Very, very happy I got him. He is definitly not as good as hebner, but he gives me 4 solid years of good 3b.

[catcher24]

Yup, that's the guy I was thinking of as well. I considered taking him over Hebner, since he does provide some output in 1968 whereas Hebner doesn't, but Richie's last five seasons are better and I really don't need the offense this season. Melton is, I think, a better fit for you anyway, Kyle. He can hammer the Green Monster. Hebner would've been hitting the other way, and the HR factors at Fenway for 1968 are 79 for LH but 106 for RH.

I thought about Simmons, but Freehan is still a very good to excellent catcher for several years, and I wasn't ready to give up a first round pick for three years' worth of offense. But that's just me; I think he'll work out well for you, Jim. And being a switch hitter always helps in this league.

[mac195]

Tough choice... nobody left really stands out as a definate 1st rounder... I guess we'll go with quality over quantity and name recognition.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d184/bwk123/Autographs/MervRettenmund2.jpg

Merv Rettenmund

[-Kyle-]

Not bad, I would have taken him if Melton was taken by ElHalo...A good year as an OF in 69.

[-Kyle-]

Pick 21 is form...it should be from.

[buppers]

Badgers take OF - Del Unser

[leecemark]

--This isn't the deepest rookie crop ever is it:yawn:. We are making good progress though. We should get through 2 rounds before we even get to live portion. Maybe we won't even need to get everybody online for that.

[-Kyle-]

There may not be that much high end talent, but I have 76 guys on my list, 69 I would actually take. A lot of passable draftee with one or two okay years are in this draft.

[J W]

Rumor has it that the Skipjacks are in discussions with another team to trade down from their #11 pick. A decision is expected to be made by tomorrow evening.

[Sockeye]

The Angels have traded the 23rd overall pick in the '68 draft and our 2nd rd pick in '70 to the Skipjacks in return for their 11th overall pick in the '68 draft.

J.W will confirm this trade.

My pick will be coming in a moment.

[Sockeye]

With the 11th pick Sockeye's Angels select.........Tom Hall

[catcher24]

Badgers take OF - Del Unser

I was amazed at this pick,until I reviewed my list and saw that at this point (already!) Del Unser is probably the best OFer available for long term use!

--This isn't the deepest rookie crop ever is it

I think the above pick puts an exclamation point on that.

There may not be that much high end talent, but I have 76 guys on my list, 69 I would actually take.

You're easier to please than I am, Kyle! My entire list is 43 players long - the shortest one ever, I believe. I'm sure I'll take three, and a fourth if any on my list are still around when I make the 48th pick, but this will almost certainly be the fewest rookies I've taken in a draft, and that includes my extra first round pick. Heck, I had four in the first round alone last year!

With the 11th pick Sockeye's Angels select.........Tom Hall

Very good pick - especially for #11 in a poor draft. I considered him along with Dock Ellis back at #5, but Ellis just had so many more innings.

[-Kyle-]

You're easier to please than I am, Kyle! My entire list is 43 players long - the shortest one ever, I believe. I'm sure I'll take three, and a fourth if any on my list are still around when I make the 48th pick, but this will almost certainly be the fewest rookies I've taken in a draft, and that includes my extra first round pick. Heck, I had four in the first round alone last year!
I also have 26 guys on my roster, and a lot of those guys I am going to take are one year guys with a 110 OPS+/ERA+ in a certain year. Not extremly beneficial, but no harm in taking a few, espicially when I need to fill my roster out. Also, they can be cut anytime, and thats always a plus.

[leecemark]

--I don't pick again till late in the 3rd round and I'm sure I'll get a usefull player then. Not a great one, but not that much worse than what's available now. I might take somebody in the 4th if some guys n my list get skipped over. I'm using basically the same criteria as Kyle, but my list is quite a bit shorter - although a few more than Lew.

[Sockeye]

Very good pick - especially for #11 in a poor draft. I considered him along with Dock Ellis back at #5, but Ellis just had so many more innings.

Hall was #2 on my draftboard among pitchers. Ellis pitches a lot more innings but Hall has a little better production. I really like his '70 and '72 seasons. He'll work well as a longman out of my pen and perhaps as a spot starter.

[Sockeye]

49 players total on our draftboard (30 hitters, 19 pitchers).

[AutographCollector]

From the Associated Press:
AC's Hornet's select Dusty Baker. :)

[leecemark]

--That concludes the first round. Angels up to lead off the 2nd.

[J W]

Skipjacks confirm the trade with the Angels...

[Sockeye]

With the 13th overall pick Sockeye's Angels select.....Rollie Fingers

[catcher24]

--I don't pick again till late in the 3rd round and I'm sure I'll get a usefull player then. Not a great one, but not that much worse than what's available now. I might take somebody in the 4th if some guys n my list get skipped over. I'm using basically the same criteria as Kyle, but my list is quite a bit shorter - although a few more than Lew.

That is normally the way I think as well., Check out the 1962 draft list again (link on the league web page). I drafted nine players after everyone else was done, then Chris decided to take one more. All nine played for me as regulars at some point, and I still used Dan Osinski last season. Perhaps I should review the rookies again. I actually made my list before I sent seven or eight players away in trades that brought me draft picks but no new bodies. I figured when I made the list that I'd only need about five in the draft to fill my roster, but that's changed.

Hall was #2 on my draftboard among pitchers.

And originally was second on my pitcher's list as well. But when I compared the stats and what I was going to be losing next off season, Ellis was just a better fit for me. I would've been quite happy getting Hall as well.

AC's Hornet's select Dusty Baker.

OK, this one originally had me thinking "What on earth is Tony doing?" Baker has a couple of decent seasons, but they're far off. However, in reviewing my draft list, I only saw five or six guys who I would even consider taking before Baker. So although he wouldn't be my choice at this particular spot, it's not nearly as drastic a choice as I originally thought.

With the 13th overall pick Sockeye's Angels select.....Rollie Fingers

And this is one of the five or six. He pays off sooner, and the Hometown Discount may permit Garry to keep him into his peak years. But then, that could be said about Baker for Tony, too.

There are a couple of pitchers left out there that I'm a bit surprised are still around. Hope they keep getting missed until my turn....:laugh

[leecemark]

--I think Baker was one of the 3 best position players left on the board. Which says alot about this draft:noidea.
--All three guys who will eventually be All Stars have a long wait for the payoff. A contender probably couldn't afford to protect them from expansion. Tony has so few position players that he should be able to spare a spot though. Baker only has 2 good years during his 6 under club control. He probably had the most resign value of anybody available excpet Fingers though.

[catcher24]

-I think Baker was one of the 3 best position players left on the board. Which says a lot about this draft

Agreed 100% - on both statements.

All three guys who will eventually be All Stars have a long wait for the payoff. A contender probably couldn't afford to protect them from expansion. Tony has so few position players that he should be able to spare a spot though. Baker only has 2 good years during his 6 under club control. He probably had the most resign value of anybody available except Fingers though.

I really don't recall ever having so many position players who only provided two or three good years, and having to wait so long to reach those years. The pitching wasn't great, either, but not nearly as bad as the position players. There was at least one position player left that I probably would've taken ahead of Baker, but the resign value wasn't nearly as good, so I think
Tony did the right thing for his situation and team.

[Sockeye]

--I think Baker was one of the 3 best position players left on the board. Which says alot about this draft:noidea.
--All three guys who will eventually be All Stars have a long wait for the payoff. A contender probably couldn't afford to protect them from expansion. Tony has so few position players that he should be able to spare a spot though. Baker only has 2 good years during his 6 under club control. He probably had the most resign value of anybody available excpet Fingers though.

There were two players I was deciding between. The resign value is ultimately what made me choose Fingers. Bonds, Simmons, Oliver, & Messersmith also have some decent resign value from this group.

[baseballPAP]

Solid if unspectacular 5 years, then a very nice final year. Also, an old Big Red Machine favorite.....

The Redbirds select:
Jack Billingham with the 14th pick.

[Sockeye]

Sockeye's Angels trade

40th overall pick in '68 (from EB Gold Sox)
2nd rd pick in '70 (from Hornets)

to Badgers for

15th overall pick in '68

[Sockeye]

With the 15th overall pick Sockeye's Angels select........Jim McAndrew

[leecemark]

--Nice pick. McAndrew was kind of overshadowed by other pitcher on the Mets (as well he should have been:)), but he gives you some nice years.

[leecemark]

Solid if unspectacular 5 years, then a very nice final year. Also, an old Big Red Machine favorite.....

The Redbirds select:
Jack Billingham with the 14th pick.


--The Redbirds are kind of cornering the market on solid, but unspectacular pitchers aren't they?

[leecemark]

--Gamblers up, Hornets on deck.

[Sockeye]

--Nice pick. McAndrew was kind of overshadowed by other pitcher on the Mets (as well he should have been:)), but he gives you some nice years.

Our draftboard coming in read

1. Messersmith
2. Hall
3. Fingers
4. McAndrew
5. Bonds
6. May
7. Melton
8. Hebner
9. Oliver
10. Unser
11. Rettenmund
12. Simmons

Not that we felt Bonds was the 5th best player in the draft but our goal was to focus on pitching. Our objective was to come away with two of the top four pitchers then focus on hitting the rest of the draft. In our wildest imagination we never dreamed we would be able to walk away with the top four pitchers on our board. It would be a supreme understatement to say that we are ecstatic at this turn of events!

[buppers]

Badgers confirm trade with Sockeye

[catcher24]

1. Messersmith
2. Hall
3. Fingers
4. McAndrew

You made out quite well pitcher wise in this draft. I'd dispute your choice of the top four in the draft; I'd probably stick Dock Ellis in there over McAndrew, Fingers or Hall, depending on whether you wanted a starter or reliever. But you did very well.

I was hoping Billingham or McAndrew would somehow slip through to my next pick, but I didn't really think they would. One other guy I hope slips through to me, but with eight picks to go I doubt he'll make it. Actually, I'd almost bet he's the next guy taken, since he really stands out now as the best remaining player IMHO.

[catcher24]

This is going much better than I recall in previous years, Mark. It does look like we may have two rounds completed, or nearly so, by Friday.

If anyone can't make it Friday and needs a proxy, PM me your list. I expect to be here. That's 8PM EST, correct?

[leecemark]

--8PM EST is correct. The first round went so fast I thought maybe we'd get through the whole thing without having to bother with the live draft. Round 2 hasn't gone quite so smooth, so it looks like we'll be sticking to the schedule.

[catcher24]

Kyle, you're up if you want to take your pick when you come on line.

[-Kyle-]

Gamblers are pleased to announce the pick of Marty Pattin. We feel he was the best pitcher in the second round, but some maybe disagree :D

[mac195]

Pattin is definately a good choice - lots of innings and pretty good quality in 70-71. He is a name from the golden age of my own baseball fandom - early to mid '70s when I was a kid spending those long summer vacations looking forward to every Red Sox radio broadcast, and running to get the morning paper to check out the standings and box scores.

[leecemark]

--Pattin has some well above average seasons and contributes immediately and for a long time. As good as anybody left on the board now. I'd have loved to see him slip, but I guess there was about zero chance of that:hp.

[Erik Bedard]

Pattin is a nice pick, but not who I would have taken if I still had that pick. There are two guys left that I could realistically see as first rounders, one of whom I would give up an equivalent pick to acquire from whoever drafts them.

[leecemark]

--If they have any long term value you'd be better off trading for the pick. Trading for the player once he has been picked means you don't get the HTD when they are eligible for free agency. I wish I'd know Sockeye placed such a value on Messersmith before the draft. I got the extra picks, but lost the chance to hold Bonds beyond his 6th year (well I could, but i'd have to outbid the other 15 teams).

[AutographCollector]

Hornets just signed reliever Wayne Granger.

[leecemark]

--For the first few years Granger may be behind only Messersmith and Bonds for value. Impact reliever right out the gate.

[AutographCollector]

--For the first few years Granger may be behind only Messersmith and Bonds for value. Impact reliever right out the gate.

Finally! My GM signed someone worth something! :rofl:

[jkc32]

Gamblers are pleased to announce the pick of Marty Pattin. We feel he was the best pitcher in the second round, but some maybe disagree :D

At this stage of the draft, the best pitcher/hitter is subjective. If the player best fits your needs, then he's the best player.

[Sockeye]

--If they have any long term value you'd be better off trading for the pick. Trading for the player once he has been picked means you don't get the HTD when they are eligible for free agency. I wish I'd know Sockeye placed such a value on Messersmith before the draft. I got the extra picks, but lost the chance to hold Bonds beyond his 6th year (well I could, but i'd have to outbid the other 15 teams).

I feel the same way. Learned a valuable lesson in my first draft.

First I traded the #1 pick for the #3 & #13 picks.

Then I traded the #3 pick, Bert Campaneris, & Don Buford for the #2 pick.

Only to have the player I wanted taken #1 so I had to draft Bonds and then trade him along with swapping my #1 pick or giving up my 2nd and 3rd rd picks in '69.

So I ended up with Messersmith and Fingers and don't even get the HTD for Messersmith. If I would have just held onto the #1 pick I would have had Messersmith with the HTD. So in essence I traded Campaneris, Buford, my HTD, and possibly my 2nd and 3rd rd picks in '69 all for Fingers who was a 2nd rd pick himself.... :mad::rant::sigh::(:crazy:cry::disbelief::dismay:: grouchy:ughh

If I'm ever lucky enough or unlucky enough (not sure which) to end up with the #1 draft pick again you'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.

[Erik Bedard]

Hornets just signed reliever Wayne Granger.

That was one of the two guys I was talking about. Now you can probably figure out the other.

[-Kyle-]

Wayne Granger is very good, but he doesn't fit my schedule right now. I am surprised the hornets took him, was thinking they would be building towards long term.

[-Kyle-]

That was one of the two guys I was talking about. Now you can probably figure out the other.

Pattin is a nice pick, but not who I would have taken if I still had that pick. There are two guys left that I could realistically see as first rounders, one of whom I would give up an equivalent pick to acquire from whoever drafts them.

Yes, I know who you are talking about, and would have definitly picked them instead of Pattin if I was competing this season...but I am not. :cap:

[leecemark]

--So who does fit your plans? Its your pick.

[-Kyle-]

If I'm ever lucky enough or unlucky enough (not sure which) to end up with the #1 draft pick again you'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.

Yep, same here. I like the whole concept of drafting anyways, so I didn't really want to trade picks down.

We need to stress the importance of 1 round draft picks to expansion owners...so they don't trade them for whatever flys by, like some owners do.

[leecemark]

Yep, same here. I like the whole concept of drafting anyways, so I didn't really want to trade picks down.

We need to stress the importance of 1 round draft picks to expansion owners...so they don't trade them for whatever flys by, like some owners do.


--If they are following along as they should they are getting educated now:hp. Its take all kinds to make a league though. Different owners taking different approaches adds a little flavor. And if somebody gets the short end too often - well every league has its Royals and Pirates:eek:.

[catcher24]

Finally! My GM signed someone worth something!

You'll do fine, Tony. Just take your time, observe and have a plan! Your treating the Hornets like an expansion team is not a bad idea. But looking at your roster, you've got the makings of a fine team. You just need a few bats now!

At this stage of the draft, the best pitcher/hitter is subjective. If the player best fits your needs, then he's the best player.

Agreed, Joe. And even early on, that's why Ellis was more valuable to me than Hall. I need a starter next year; I have four good relievers already.


So I ended up with Messersmith and Fingers and don't even get the HTD for Messersmith. If I would have just held onto the #1 pick I would have had Messersmith with the HTD. So in essence I traded Campaneris, Buford, my HTD, and possibly my 2nd and 3rd rd picks in '69 all for Fingers who was a 2nd rd pick himself....

Well, you know, Garry, I really didn't intend to trade that #2 pick, so I made the cost a bit higher than I normally would, but you wanted it anyway.....:dance
And with Mark taking Messersmith #1, I'm darned glad I made the trade. I essentially traded Bonds for Hebner, Campaneris and Buford. Campy and Buford will probably only be with the Legends one year, but they will have a huge impact on this year's pennant race. And Hebner gives me a very nice DH for six years!

That was one of the two guys I was talking about.

And it's the one guy I was talking about. I hoped McAndrew would slip through (no way), then I hope Granger would slip to me (again, now way) and Pattin would've been my next choice. Oh, well, seven more picks before I'm up, so I'll start reviewing the dregs.....

If I'm ever lucky enough or unlucky enough (not sure which) to end up with the #1 draft pick again you'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands.

I feel the same way, pretty much, but if the right offer came along I'd take it. The right offer would be a player or players who would give me a shot at the top for two or three years.

--If they are following along as they should they are getting educated now

Ken, Robbie - pay attention!;)

I have to say, this is why I enjoy the off season so much. There is so much more discussion and good natured ribbing, and you get to know the other owners a little bit.

[catcher24]

Well, the Redbirds missed by one slot of getting the guy they wanted most, Wayne Granger. However, Scott sent me his top three choices, and so with the next pick in this year's rookie draft the Redbirds take:

35370

DON MONEY

[mac195]

We thought about taking a certain relief pitcher next but decided to go with 1B John Mayberry instead. John will give us two big full time seasons - not bad for a 2nd rounder, and we should be able to protect him in the expansion draft without sacrificing anyone very valuable.

[Sockeye]

Well, you know, Garry, I really didn't intend to trade that #2 pick, so I made the cost a bit higher than I normally would, but you wanted it anyway.....:dance
And with Mark taking Messersmith #1, I'm darned glad I made the trade. I essentially traded Bonds for Hebner, Campaneris and Buford. Campy and Buford will probably only be with the Legends one year, but they will have a huge impact on this year's pennant race. And Hebner gives me a very nice DH for six years!

I came into this league with an extensive fantasy baseball backround. Fantasy baseball is of course a little different than the simulation concept as it depends not only on being able to read stats and judge players by their past performance but also the ability to read the players to predict future performance.

I believe it's every bit as important (if not more so) to be able to read and judge the other owners you are competing against. Knowing which owners can be dealt with in a way that improves your team and knowing whom to be careful when dealing with. The first year is always a feeling out process. I have a pretty good feel for this league as a whole now.

Funny story on this subject comes to mind. I was in a fantasy baseball keeper league for 3 1/2 seasons. The first year in the league I traded nearly my entire roster twice over and won the league by a large margin. Mainly because I was able to identify one other owner who I could take advantage of in trade after trade after trade. Over the course of the season I bet we made 15 trades between ourselves none of which turned out very well for him. No surprise he ended up last in the league that season and was something of a laughing stock for seasons to come. Oddly enough he is a somewhat respected member of baseball fever (mainly on the sabermetrics forum) I must say this owner did get a little better as the seasons went by. Not so much in his ability to judge talent, but in his ability to avoid dealing with me. In fact I remember at one point he declared a "trade embargo" against me. :rofl:

[catcher24]

I believe it's every bit as important (if not more so) to be able to read and judge the other owners you are competing against. Knowing which owners can be dealt with in a way that improves your team and knowing whom to be careful when dealing with. The first year is always a feeling out process. I have a pretty good feel for this league as a whole now.

I think anyone who has been in this league a while will tell you that I'm a tough but fair negotiator and trading partner. And remember, you also got Gene Alley in the trade, so you got a decent SS for the one year, and I got an above league average (offensively) SS for what will likely amount to one year. Essentially I traded what I thought was Messersmith for Hebner and the final year of Buford's contract, along with a slight upgrade at SS. I think a fair deal for both sides. I sure didn't know at that time that Mark would go for Messersmith. The fact that he did hurt the trade from your perspective, I think, and made it less valuable to you. I certainly hope I'm not gaining a reputation for being an owner who takes advantage, because trading is one of the things I like to do!

[catcher24]

Nice pick on Mayberry, Mac. I was planning on grabbing him if he was still on the board when my turn came. Guess it's time to refigure my list again. Not used to having only two picks out of the first 23! Hate to see all those guys I want getting picked!:rant:

[J W]

Good grief Lew, you can't pick half the draft EVERY season... :laugh

[leecemark]

--Shoeless Joes are up, Gamblers on deck, followed by Shoeless again. We will be running the live draft commencing at 8PM EST to finish the 2nd round (if we don't get it done between now and then) and through the end of the 3rd. If you can't make it, please get a proxy list to someone you can count on to make it. With all the progress we've already made it shouldn't take more than an hour tonight.

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Vicente Romo, RP.

[Erik Bedard]

In case anyone was wondering, and hadn't figured it out, that was the other guy I was looking at. If I had kept my first-round pick, he would have been gone then.

[baseballPAP]

checking in...I actually get a chance to be around for this part this year :)

[leecemark]

--Sorry guys, but I've had something come up at the last minute. Please continue without me. I've sent my list to Lew (and also forwarded one Joe sent to me).

[catcher24]

Good grief Lew, you can't pick half the draft EVERY season...

Well, yeah, sure I could Jason. You guys might get tired of it, but I never do!:rofl:

Checking in. Had to work late tonight, but I'm here and ready. The big suspense is gone, though, since we're already through the top 20 picks.

[catcher24]

Hope it's nothing of a serious nature, Mark. We'll finish the three rounds and then go on the eight hour clock, as per usual.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm here for no good reason. Just thought I'd let everyone know.

[J W]

Well welcome aboard anyways, buddy! :cap:

We're here, and anxious to make our one pick.

[catcher24]

Time check, and I have Mark's proxy and Joe's proxy.

[Sockeye]

Sockeye's Angels reporting for draft duty :cap:

[catcher24]

Well, it's eight o'clock Fever time. I show that Kyle has the pick from the Hard Cider.

[Erik Bedard]

This is frustrating. I was counting on Kyle being here.

[catcher24]

I'm giving Kyle until 8:10, then we'll move on. I tried a PM to him, but it bounced back.

[catcher24]

This is frustrating. I was counting on Kyle being here.

He mentioned something in a previous post about the computer being taken out of his room, so maybe he can't use the internet tonight. :hp

[J W]

We've got three... and only three... players left on our board that we like at our spot. Thank goodness we're up third.

[J W]

He mentioned something in a previous post about the computer being taken out of his room, so maybe he can't use the internet tonight. :hp

That ain't good. Was he spending too much time on baseball-fever?

[Erik Bedard]

Yep, I saw that. That sucks. Especially since we had a deal all set up, but he's not here to confirm it.

[catcher24]

That ain't good. Was he spending too much time on baseball-fever?

I think that may have been the case.

[J W]

That's ok; Mark isn't here either :laugh:

Maybe if you can run it by Lew, and Kyle gets back later to confirm the deal, Mark can act as if the deal was made now?

[catcher24]

We've got three... and only three... players left on our board that we like at our spot. Thank goodness we're up third.

Don't you be taking the one guy I want....

[Erik Bedard]

I think everybody's thinking of the same guy. And if Kyle had shown up, I would have gotten him.

[catcher24]

OK, it's now 8:10 and probably 8:11 Fever time by the time this goes up. We'll skip Kyle's pick, and he can make it when and if he gets back online.

[J W]

Shucks. Well I guess that means he'll be a Shoeless Joe.

[catcher24]

Well, I know it's not this guy, but he's top on the Joe's list, so the Shoeless Joes will take outfielder:

LARRY HISLE

[catcher24]

Go ahead and break my heart, Jason...

[Erik Bedard]

Whoa. That's not who I was thinking of.

[J W]

Actually Hisle was second on our board. Nice pick.

But as we move into the days of the DH, the Skipjacks are thrilled to get someone with the long-term potential of:

http://i13.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/b7/59/7c0b_1.JPG
Hal McRae

[catcher24]

No, I was very surprised Hisle was that high on the Joe's list, but I just do what I'm told....:)

[Erik Bedard]

Lew: I'll give you my 1971 second-rounder for this pick.

[catcher24]

Nice pick, Jason, but that wasn't my man. I've got Richie Hebner holding down the DH spot for me, and McRae's a bit too far off for me.

The man the Legends were looking at, and who they will now select, is pitcher:

TOM BURGMEIER

[Erik Bedard]

Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[catcher24]

I would've taken that deal if I'd seen it before posting....:rant:

[catcher24]

I'll give you Burgmeier for that second round pick....

[catcher24]

The Angels are up, Garry.

[Sockeye]

With the 25th pick Sockeye's Angels select......Ralph Garr

[Erik Bedard]

Without the HTD... I'm not sure. I'd honestly like to propose a rule change to make the rule that the HTD takes effect for the team they play their first game for.

[catcher24]

Well, think about it Dan. I absolutely would've done the trade with you if I had seen the post first.

Decent pick, Garry. Another guy who's a couple years away but has some big seasons.

[catcher24]

You're in the box, Scott. Take your best cut!:cap:

[Sockeye]

Without the HTD... I'm not sure. I'd honestly like to propose a rule change to make the rule that the HTD takes effect for the team they play their first game for.

I second that purposal!!

[catcher24]

I certainly wouldn't be opposed to that, either.

[Erik Bedard]

Without the HTD, Burgmeier's really only worth a 3rd. Since he was one slot away from the third round, it's not really that unfair.

[baseballPAP]

Having trouble with the refresh.....

The Redbirds select Tom Murphy, who played his college ball 30 minutes from here, at Ohio University.

[catcher24]

Badgers are up.

[J W]

Some players don't play their first game for a while. If a change is made I would say HTD rights are set after we finalize our 40-man rosters.

[Erik Bedard]

Depending on the results of my proposal, I may be open to a Burgmeier trade tomorrow. Right now, though, I'm out.

EDIT: JW's idea is better.

[catcher24]

Without the HTD, Burgmeier's really only worth a 3rd. Since he was one slot away from the third round, it's not really that unfair.

But remember that there will be eight more picks by then, Dan, with the four new teams likely each going twice,

[J W]

Badgers... Hard Cider... Hornets

[catcher24]

We could run both proposals by Mark and see what he says.

[J W]

Without the HTD, Burgmeier's really only worth a 3rd.

Well, since the price is set at league minimum from the 2nd round on, it just depends on how deep the draft is. For this draft, I could certainly see Burgmeier going late 2nd even without HTD, just for his 1970-71 seasons.

I am being anal though; I apologize.

[catcher24]

Time check. Ed has until 8:43 Fever time.

[mac195]

Guess I should go ahead and pick then...

[mac195]

OK, I'll wait 5 minutes.

[J W]

I wonder if you have the player we have in mind Mac... since we share some of the same resources.

[mac195]

I'm looking at a player who will be a big help to me in the playoffs, if I get that far this season.

[catcher24]

Go ahead, Mac. I guess it should've been 8:39 anyway.

Ed, if you come online make your pick. Mac's up.

[J W]

Nope; we're on different wavelengths.

[mac195]

And the player is...


Bill Sudakis 3B

[catcher24]

Well, he was on my list but not high. Hornets up, Tony.

[J W]

Ah yes, the patented Hard Cider September Phenom. :D

Sudakis gives half a good season in '70 & '73, too.

[catcher24]

Time check. Tony has until 8:55 Fever time.

[jkc32]

No, I was very surprised Hisle was that high on the Joe's list, but I just do what I'm told....:)

Figured he wasn't that high on most lists, but he's a decent RH OF platoon in 1969 for my squad. Thankfully, Oliver now only needs to play against LH.

[catcher24]

OK, must be 8:55 by now. Tony, make your pick when you come online.

[catcher24]

Glad to see you're here now, Joe. Go ahead and make your pick.

[J W]

We've got three "C" grades left... and one of them came very close to a "D".

Guess a number of us aren't too thrilled with the third round talent this year.

[jkc32]

Am I up now?

[catcher24]

Guess a number of us aren't too thrilled with the third round talent this year.

I absolutely LOVE it!!:eek: :hp::rolleyes:

[catcher24]

Yes, go ahead Joe.

[J W]

Gamblers, Badgers & Hornets need make up picks...

...Joes, Diablos, Gamblers again?

[jkc32]

Freddie Patek, SS.

[catcher24]

Joes, Diablos, Gamblers,Knights, Angels, Legends - then onto the eight hour clock for the Angels, or Garry can make his pick tonight, and the Redbirds, then the Badgers on the eight hour. Only if those guys want to go tonight.

[catcher24]

Changed your mind, huh Joe? That's not who I have next on my list... Good thing you showed up!:)

Diablos up. Pick when ready, Jim - although I haven't seen him around tonight...

[jkc32]

Changed your mind, huh Joe? That's not who I have next on my list... Good thing you showed up!:)

Diablos up. Pick when ready, Jim - although I haven't seen him around tonight...

Yep, took a quick scan of who had been taken and realized I could probably get the next guy on my list later. I needed a SS for 69-70 and Patek will suffice for now.

[catcher24]

I think you're right about that next guy on your list. He isn't even on mine.

[J W]

I'm gonna go check out the latest in Oriole-land; see you later gentlemen

[catcher24]

See you later, Jason.

[jkc32]

I think you're right about that next guy on your list. He isn't even on mine.

Figured as much. He's just another platoon guy who would fill a hole down the road.

[catcher24]

Times up for Jim. The Diablos have a pick coming.

Next up, the Gamblers. We'll give them ten minutes, then I'll make the Knights pick for Mark, Garry can go again and I'll make my own pick. That'll wrap it up for tonight, unless Garry and Scott want to make additional picks.

[catcher24]

Time check...

[baseballPAP]

I'll check in in the morning to see if I have a pick coming up....
Still 4-5 guys out there I'd like to have.

[catcher24]

OK, Scott. It should go pretty quick after this, though, because I have Mark's pick, I think Garry is still online, and then it's me, and then Garry again. But after my pick, we'll be on the eight hour clock.

[catcher24]

Looks like the Gamblers didn't make it, so they now have two picks coming.

[catcher24]

Picking for the Knights, they take pitcher

JIM ROOKER

[catcher24]

Angels are up, Garry.

[Sockeye]

Having trouble with the refresh button tonight but yeah I'm still here and will stay on to make our 4th rd pick.

[catcher24]

OK, go ahead with your pick, I'll make mine, then you can go again.

[Sockeye]

With the 35th pick Sockeye's Angels select.....Ellie Rodriguez

[catcher24]

Decent pick, Garry. The ops+ numbers aren't so hot, but he has a nice OBP. His slugging is just a tad weak.

With the 36th overall pick, the Legends select pitcher

JOHN CUMBERLAND

[catcher24]

That completes the first three rounds. We will now go on the eight hour clock. I believe Garry was going to make his pick immediately, so that gives Scott until about 6AM to make a pick, but to make it reasonable let's go to 8AM for the next pick. Once a pick is made, the next team has eight hours to make a selection.

[catcher24]

The following teams were not present and have a pick coming when they make an appearance: Gamblers (two picks); Badgers; Hornets; Diablos.

Remember the Premium Free Agent Auction next Friday at 8PM. A lot of big names up for bid - be there or be sorry!

[Sockeye]

With the 37th pick Sockeye's Angels select.....Gail Hopkins

[catcher24]

Nice pick on Hopkins. I seriously considered him, but needed some new relievers in 1970 and 1971, hence my selections of Burgmeier and Cumberland.

The Redbirds are now on the clock until 8AM Saturday, then the Badgers are up for two picks.

[Sockeye]

I couldn't decide between Ellie Rodriguez or Gail Hopkins. Typed in the name then changed it 3 times before going with Rodriguez first hoping you wouldn't take Hopkins. Nice pick on Cumberland. He would have been the first guy I took in the fifth round or after the draft was over. Sweet '71 season!

[-Kyle-]

This really sucks. :(
Picks coming up shortly after I finish setting up my computer downstairs.
Sorry EB

[-Kyle-]

Dangit. I have to get off again. If someone could do me a solid and pick whoever is there, I might find a way to get on tomorrow, thanks. =/

[catcher24]

Nice pick on Cumberland. He would have been the first guy I took in the fifth round or after the draft was over. Sweet '71 season!

Yeah, it was one of those situations where you took what you needed, and by 1971 my relief corps starts to thin out a bit. I hope Burgmeier and Cumberland can help that situation - although I may end up losing one or both in the expansion draft anyway!

[leecemark]

We could run both proposals by Mark and see what he says.


--Opposed to both, but if a majority is in favor....

--Mostly my objection is it just makes it harder to track. Now all I have to do to see who is eligible for the HTD is check the applicable draft list and see who remains with the team that drafted them. If we did make a change I can't see it applying to this year's (or previous years) draftees anyway. Much as I'd like to have the HTD on Bonds rule changes should not apply retroactively.

[leecemark]

--Sorry to have missed out on the fun, gentlemen. My wife made plans for this evening without comparing notes and was not very receptive to my delaying thing for "just an hour or so" to do the draft:rant:. On this occasion it didn't seem in my best interest to put the league ahead of what she wanted to do:grouchy.

[leecemark]

--Still one player on the board who I thought would go in the 2nd and several who would have been good 3rd rounders IMO. If you missed last nights activity you can still get a quality makeup. Help for this year may be in short supply (actualy it was from the get go;)), but you can salvage some good future years.

[leecemark]

--For those of you who missed the draft and also did not put in a proxy, please don't be in that position for next weeks free agent auction. Several of you have quite a few holes to fill and you aren't going to be able to do that with the scraps left over when the bidding is done.

[buppers]

Sorry I missed Draft. Will not miss FA bidding.
With belated 3rd round pick Badgers take Catcher Ellie Hendricks

Ed

[baseballPAP]

I believe I'm still up.....
the Redbirds add fleetfooted IFer Dave Nelson.

They also announce that they are finished drafting, with their sights set on landing 3 FAs to round out the roster.

[leecemark]

Sorry I missed Draft. Will not miss FA bidding.
With belated 3rd round pick Badgers take Catcher Ellie Hendricks

Ed

--Elrod is the guy I mentioned as being a 2nd rounder on my board - so you didn't lose much by missing last night as I see it:). Although looking back at the draft board I see you would have been able to get a guy you wanted (Patek) had you been online.

[leecemark]

--Badgers are on the clock. Hornets, Diablos and Gamlers (2) have makeup picks coming.

[buppers]

--Elrod is the guy I mentioned as being a 2nd rounder on my board - so you didn't lose much by missing last night as I see it:). Although looking back at the draft board I see you would have been able to get a guy you wanted (Patek) had you been online.

Thats what I get for letting 1 game (weekly poker) interfere with other game (CKL):)
We usually schedule start for 8PM but don't get started till after 9PM so I thought I was safe. But not last night, no, gotta start on time then:confused:
You're right, I did want Patek (obviously, from earlier email)

Badgers next pick - SS - Hector Torres

[buppers]

I believe I go again since I got Sockeye 4th rounder in earlier trade.

Badgers take 1B Jim Spencer

Ed

[leecemark]

--I think Spencer was the last guy on my board who is semi-qualified to be an everyday player for more than a season. I wouldn't WANT him playing everyday, but he could and wouldn't kill you.

[leecemark]

--Hornets are up and have 2 picks to make. Gamblers still have 2 makeups coming and Diablos have one to make up.

[buppers]

--I think Spencer was the last guy on my board who is semi-qualified to be an everyday player for more than a season. I wouldn't WANT him playing everyday, but he could and wouldn't kill you.
Just trying to get some warm bodies. And if I get enough of them I MIGHT be willing to deal Stargell for future picks :)

Ed

[catcher24]

My wife made plans for this evening without comparing notes and was not very receptive to my delaying thing for "just an hour or so" to do the draft. On this occasion it didn't seem in my best interest to put the league ahead of what she wanted to do

Where the better half is concerned, it is NEVER in your best interest to put the league first. Divorce court is a lot more expensive than finishing second for the first time.:laugh;)

Hendricks was a great pick that late in the draft. He was actually a fourth round pick, even though you took him with a third round makeup. I agree with Mark that he could very realistically have gone in the second round. I very seriously considered taking him over Cumberland, but he would amount to a backup catcher for me. Freehan is good until he retires, except for 1973, and he's pretty much a starter except for his last season in 1976. So I went with the pitcher for two decent seasons of work.

Looks like everyone left on my list (nine bodies at this point) may very well be gone by the time my next pick comes up. There is one pitcher who I'm totally amazed hasn't gone yet.

[catcher24]

--Mostly my objection is it just makes it harder to track.

Mark, I sent you PM, but let me also post my proposal here. Rather than havingyou keep track, this would have to be tracked by the owner of the player. When the six years is up (that's easy to track, because we have a record of every rookie class), the owner will of course have to make a claim for a Hometown Discount on any player he wants to keep. At this point, you (or I, if you'd like) could simply check the player's career stats in the encyclopedia. As long as he's never played for another team but the one claiming the HD, he'd be eligible for it. Since the encyclopedia tracks every team a player has appeared for, that would be pretty simple to do.

Incidentally, guys, this is one of the big reasons to own the DM game. The encyclopedia is a free add on, and you can look up any player's career record.

[AutographCollector]

AC's Hornet's Proudly select (for the 3rd round... missed that one) Joe Hague. And for the 4th round we signed Joe Lahoud.

[ElHalo]

Les Cain......

[jkc32]

Shoeless selects Daryl Patterson, P.

[catcher24]

That puts Jim and the Diablos on the eight hour clock again at about 3PM, and it will expire at 11PM, which will put the Gamblers up. They now have three picks coming.

It's really beginning to look like the Legends are done for this draft. I only have six guys left on my list now, and with three Gambler picks and the Diablos, Hard Cider, Knights and Skipjacks each taking another player I don't expect any of the six to get through.

[leecemark]

--7 left on my draft board, so I guess I'll be getting one more. Might as well fill my roster in the draft, I won't be outbidding anybody for free agents:hp.

[-Kyle-]

Ugh, I can sneak like 5 minutes a day and I lost my list. Can anyone just pick a few guys to fill out my roster...I am seriously having trouble accesing my computer thanks.

[leecemark]

Okay, Gamblers get Eddie Leon and Mike Paul. Hope you can make it back in the swing of things by Friday, Kyle.

[jkc32]

Skip Shoeless when the time comes. We are done drafting rookies.

[baseballPAP]

I had said I'll pass...but there is one more guy out there worth drafting. If he's still here when I get a pick.....I'll take a flyer.

[catcher24]

I figure the Diablos eight hour clock expired at 11 PM Saturday. That would put the Gamblers back on the clock at 11PM, and Mark took two of their three picks at that time. Near as I can figure it, the Hard Cider are now on the clock until 3 PM Sunday. Then it's the Knights, Skipjacks and Legends. So I may actually get one more player....

The Diablos and Gamblers both have make up picks coming. Jim can make his whenever he comes on, if he wants one. Mark, I'll let you pick the Gamblers player.

[leecemark]

--Sorry I didn't realize the Diablos clock was up or I would have grabbed all 3 players for Kyle. Gamblers get Danny Walton.
--Hard Cider clock is almost up then? Diablos have a make up when they get to it.

[mac195]

Hard Cider clock is almost up then?

:confused:


OK. I'll take Horacio Pina.

[Sockeye]

There are still at least 5 players who I'm interested taking. So we'll be picking in the 5th rd.

[leecemark]

--Ouch, just minutes away from somebody who could have helped a troubled bullpen this year.

[mac195]

I had no idea it was my turn and would not have appreciated being skipped. If we are going by strict 8-hour intervals then that needs to be posted. Maybe you could put the times next to the picks on page 1.

[leecemark]

--Coin flip between the reliever who can help me in 72-3 or the guy who is a monster in a platoon role next year.....heads, its Carl Taylor. Either way this pick probably wasn't going to make it through the expansion draft anyway.

[leecemark]

I had no idea it was my turn and would not have appreciated being skipped. If we are going by strict 8-hour intervals then that needs to be posted. Maybe you could put the times next to the picks on page 1.


--I wasn't even aware of the time situation myself until Lew pointed in out. The Skipjacks clock runs through 6PM EST if Jason still has anybody he wants. I'm guessing Long View Lew still has a player he is interested in and I know Garry does with the first pick of the 5th. I still see a few guys with a decent season somehwere in their 6 years that will be worth a 5th round flyer for those still interested. I'll try and keep clock times updated, although likely at the bottom not top of the thread.

[catcher24]

Long View Lew

OK, I like that nickname!:dance :)

Can't believe that Pina almost made it to the fifth round, although those OPS+ numbers are somewhat deceiving when you look at the WHIP and K/BB. But he would certainly be better than some of the position players taken ahead of him. Again, it just boils down to what you need. Certainly a VERY nice pick this late in the draft, Mac.

BTW, Mark, you took the second player I would've chosen for the Gamblers were I making the pick. The guy I would've taken first is still on the board. And I'll get a pick now, because your guy (Carl Taylor) is not on my list at all. So I have three players left on my list, with only the Diablos makeup (if Jim wants it) and the Skipjacks ahead of me at this point.

Sorry, Mac, I should've probably sent you a PM. I guess I just figured that this late in the draft there wasn't anyone available an owner would get real excited about losing. My mistake.

[ElHalo]

Sorry, Dan McGinn.

[catcher24]

No problem, Jim. Just didn't want you to overlook the fact you still had a pick coming!:)

[catcher24]

I'm guessing Long View Lew still has a player he is interested in

Three guys left on my list, and with Jim having taken another player not even on my list, that means I now have a 50/50 chance of getting the one I really want.

[Erik Bedard]

I know who it is, and frankly, I'm amazed he's still available.

[Sockeye]

Lew is now on the clock correct?

[catcher24]

Double post....

[catcher24]

Since it is now well beyond 6 PM, and I also sent JW a PM to remind him he was on the clock until 6 PM, I am making my pick, reliever

FRED BEENE

I also suspect this will be my last pick.

[catcher24]

I believe that puts you on the clock now, Garry, until about 4 AM. At least I think Mark starts the clock running for the next guy when a pick is made.:confused:

[Sockeye]

With the 49th pick Sockeye's Angels select......Steve Kealey

[Sockeye]

I know the skipjacks have a pick left. Is anyone else still drafting in the 5th round? If not I have a couple more players I'd like to pick up. Will wait til after the Skipjacks make their pick before picking up those players though.

[ElHalo]

I'm skipping.

[mac195]

There are still two more players I will draft if I get the chance.

[buppers]

I'm just patiently waiting my turn so slow down there Sockeye :)

Ed

[Sockeye]

I'm just patiently waiting my turn so slow down there Sockeye :)

Ed


That's cool. Redbirds and Skipjacks are on the clock then.

[leecemark]

--Beene was the guy who lost the coin flip with Taylor. Good 5th year and great 6th one if he makes it through expansion. Still one guy I'd take if he makes all the way back to me.
--Redbirds are on the clock until 6amEST tomorrow. Skipjacks have their makeup whenever, if they want it.

[J W]

With their 4th round pick, the Skipjacks will take 1B Mike Fiore.

[mac195]

Nice grab there, JW. I didn't even consider Fiore. Going by career stats he doesn't look worth investigating, but that's a nice partial seson he has in '69.

[Erik Bedard]

Badgers should be OTC now.

[buppers]

Badgers take P Jerry Johnson

Ed

[Erik Bedard]

With their first pick in the 1968 draft, the Gold Sox select Bruce Look.

[catcher24]

Beene was the guy who lost the coin flip with Taylor

I'm sure glad Beene lost the flip, because Taylor wasn't even on my list. Getting Beene with the last pick of the fourth round was the best I could hope for that far down.

The departure of Johnson to the Badgers leaves me with one player on my list. I'll still take him if he doesn't go before my turn, but I figure he'll be gone in the next pick or two, and that will exhaust my list.

[-Kyle-]

I am here with my list, so I am okay now. Real Sorry.