dodgers warm-up on 1050

[jayzeeg]

does anyone remember the "dodgers warm-up" show on the radio before all the games. what was the post game show called? i recollect the crew being ward wilson, marty glickman, gussie moran and bert lee. is that correct. i also remember stan lomax on wor at 6:45 to 7 every evening with all the baseball hi-lites. that was the beauty of day baseball. how about the early editions of the news and mirror (pink) with the line scores on the back page.

[MATHA531]

You are correct regarding Warm Up Time as far as the commentators were concerned...don't remember the post game....my question has been, and I haven't figured it out yet (there are somethings, very few of course, I don't know) is whether the show was produced by the Dodgers as part of their broadcast package and brought even more revenue into the O'Malley till.

As far as Stan Lomax, he had a sports show for years as you noted on WOR radio from 1845 to 1900....he would come on and his trade mark line was "all the doings in the world of sports." But do you know whose places he took? The answer is none other than a gentleman named Ford C. Frick, another of the villains in the theft of the Brooklyn franchise whose obligaton it was to protect the best interests of baseball but did nothing while O'Malley pulled his garbage.

[jayzeeg]

thanks matha. i believe it was a WHN show, but i could be wrong. memories are what we are all about. I first heard the show when as a 9 or 10 year old i went for a haircut after school and they had the show on the radio in the babershop. all that and a lollypop for a half a buck. that was back in 1952/53

[shlevine42]

I believe the post-game show was called "Today's Baseball," where they
re-created the highlights of that day's games, complete with sound effects (bat hitting ball, crowd roaring).
And it was on WHN.

As for Lomax: MATHA531 has it almost right. I recall Stan' sign-on as:
"Good evening everybody, this is Stan Lomax with today's doings in the world of sports."

[MATHA531]

I may have it wrong but weren't the call letters of the station at 1050 at that time WMGM...it kept vacillating with WHN until WHN's demise in June 1987 when it became WFAN.

[Shotgun Shuba]

WNBC was 660 and then WFAN took over when they folded.

[jayzeeg]

SH, you hit on the nose. I can picture my voice memory of stan lomax saying those exact words. as far the post game goes matha, i don't think they did the highlites that way. could you be thinking of les kieter's giant re-creations on 1010 WINS, when " MAYS SWUNG THE MACE AND THEN RAMMYCACKLED A HIT TO RIGHT"?

[shlevine42]

I may have it wrong but weren't the call letters of the station at 1050 at that time WMGM...it kept vacillating with WHN until WHN's demise in June 1987 when it became WFAN.

My apologies. I guess this is what happens when so many of the brain cells die of old age.

WHN went on the air in 1922 at AM frequency 833. Over the years, that frequency changed to 830, 760 and then 1010. In 1941, it made its final frequency change to 1050, and broadcast the Dodger games (with Red Barber) and the NY Giants and Rangers games (with Marty Glickman).

In 1948, the call letters were changed to WMGM, ("the radio station of the stars," according to Fernando Lamas).

So if I recall the WHN call letters so clearly, it must be because I was listening to that station PRIOR to 1948.

[shlevine42]

...Now that I think of it...I can hear Wilson, Lee and Glickman recreating the play-by-play of the day's Yankees game and mentioning names like Metheny, Stainback, Grimes and Etten. And they were on the '45-'46 squads.

[MATHA531]

My apologies. I guess this is what happens when so many of the brain cells die of old age.

WHN went on the air in 1922 at AM frequency 833. Over the years, that frequency changed to 830, 760 and then 1010. In 1941, it made its final frequency change to 1050, and broadcast the Dodger games (with Red Barber) and the NY Giants and Rangers games (with Marty Glickman).

In 1948, the call letters were changed to WMGM, ("the radio station of the stars," according to Fernando Lamas).

So if I recall the WHN call letters so clearly, it must be because I was listening to that station PRIOR to 1948.

SH..

I'm too young but I don't think Marty Glickman would have been doing games in 1941.....Glickman, as many may know, was a star NYC athlete from James Madison High School in Brooklyn who was pulled from the 1936 Olympic relay team which won a gold medal by Avery Brundage because of his religion...but I don't think he was broadcasting that early.

[shlevine42]

Marty wasn't doing baseball games in 1941.

He joined WHN in 1939 and became sports director in 1943. When the Knicks were formed in 1946, he became their radio announcer. He was the voice of the sports newsreels for Paramount News from 1948-57.

From the Knicks history:

In the 1940s, throughout the '50s and into the '60s, Marty Glickman wasn't just the voice of the Knicks or the voice of Madison Square Garden. He was the voice of an entire sport, the unmistakable sound that said basketball.

Watch those scratchy old Paramount newsreels. That's Marty's voice. The annual Converse highlight films? That's Marty. Those old TV interview shows of the '50s? Marty again.

What you really have to understand about Marty Glickman is that he came before any of them. Before Chick Hearn put his first game in the refrigerator, there was Marty. Before Johnny Most bled his first drop of Celtic Green, there was Marty. Before Curt Gowdy or Jack Brickhouse or Chris Schenkel or Dick Enroth or Hilliard Gates or Bob Wolff or any of those great early voices of the NBA, there was Marty.
Marty Glickman wasn't the first man to do basketball on radio, but he was the first to establish the precise geometry of the court, using a language and terminology that survives more than half a century later. The key, the lane, the top of the circle, the mid-court stripe, between the circles. . .all Martyisms. "Swish!", the perfect word for the perfect shot, is a Martyism as well, picked up when Glickman would work out with the Knicks in the early days.

And in an age of Ballantine Blasts and White Owl Wallops, Marty honored his own sponsor with a catchphrase that still brings back images of hot dogs, orange drink and the smoky haze that enveloped the old barn on 49th Street. Whenever Braun or Guerin or Gallatin sank a big one, it was "Good. . .like Nedick's!"



Oh yes...he's also an honored graduate of my Brooklyn high school.

[jayzeeg]

hey guys, not only am i also a graduate of james madison HS, but i am also the first recipient of the marty glickman award for track and field ('61). nat krinsky was my coach. getting back to the dodgers, we used to go to ebbets field early, hang out at the players entrance and hand them self addressed penny postcards, hoping they would autograph them and drop them in the mailbox. lokoing back they were probably the brows.

[jaykay]

Although I am not a graduate of James Madison High School (Midwood, just down the road a bit), I can offer a smidgen of fine tuning to these recollections. The postgame show on WHN/WMGM was called "Sports Extra," with the aforementioned hosts. Bert Lee (nee Labar) left after a time (died?) and was succeeded by Bert Lee Jr. (also Labar, I assume). The re-creations that brother shlevine alludes to ("Today's Baseball") came on at 7P.M., so it was, in a sense, a postgame show. But there were night games in those days (i.e., nights), and my followup question has to do with which game was featured on "Today's Baseball" when the Brooklyns were playing at night. My very fuzzy recall suggests a non-Dodgers afternoon game, or perhaps no "Today's Baseball" at all. Same query for when a Dodgers' matinee was rained out.

Be patient with me. This is important stuff. I can see myself huddled with that tiny bedside radio, soaking it all in (especially if I had been at Ebbets Field for the game, and could re-live it in the condensed version). When you are my age, you will understand. If you are already my age, 'nuff said.

[jayzeeg]

jaykay, yes! you are right. i remember bert lee Jr. having the first call in show that i can remember. his sponser was buddy lee clothes. "time out and time in fior buddy lee"

[donzblock]

I used to call in to the Bert Lee, Jr., show. The station could not let the listeners hear the callers' voices, so Lee had to repeat what the callers said. It was crude but interesting. The callers would have IDs like "Tanky from Bellville." Lee, Jr., got into some serious gambling trouble if I am not mistaken.

[tonypug]

Wow just reading this stuff re-lit a lot of memories. I remember listening to Marty Glickman do track and field meets from MSG, on the radio, Millrose games, AAU,etc. Gussie Moran made her name as a tennis player, known more for her gold underwear. She knew little about baseball, when she started, but worked hard on it. Was she the first female sportcaster in a major city? Happy Felton did the pre and post game shows on WOR. I seem to recall him doing a pre-game show for away games as well 1956and57 perhaps. Does anyone recall the name of that show, if in fact I am remembering it at all.

[MATHA531]

Wow just reading this stuff re-lit a lot of memories. I remember listening to Marty Glickman do track and field meets from MSG, on the radio, Millrose games, AAU,etc. Gussie Moran made her name as a tennis player, known more for her gold underwear. She knew little about baseball, when she started, but worked hard on it. Was she the first female sportcaster in a major city? Happy Felton did the pre and post game shows on WOR. I seem to recall him doing a pre-game show for away games as well 1956and57 perhaps. Does anyone recall the name of that show, if in fact I am remembering it at all.

I don't remember the name of the pre game show before road games on tv but what it consisted of were kaleidescopes (no video tape yet) of predictions made by various writers before the start of the season...could be a bit embarassing...I believe it was only shown before mid week night away games.

[tonypug]

I don't remember the name of the pre game show before road games on tv but what it consisted of were kaleidescopes (no video tape yet) of predictions made by various writers before the start of the season...could be a bit embarassing...I believe it was only shown before mid week night away games.
That sounds right Matha. I remember Felto would be dressed in a suit, and the segment you are talking about I believe was called "out on a limb."
The writers predictions would be printed on a cardboard tree limb, does that sound right. The name Press Box or something like that keeps coming to mind.

[jaykay]

I remember Gussie Moran's (tennis) panties being lace, rather than gold, but of course I wasn't there all the time. Perhaps she changed for the broadcast. Although she may have worked hard on enhancing her sports knowledge, she spent too little time learning how to pronounce the athlete's names, no doubt a tacit embarrassment to everyone except Gussie. Another point of awkwardness in Gorgeous Gussie's career was her marriage, during which she and her groom remained together for a full two weeks before separating permanently. No, friends, I don't make this stuff up.

As for pre- and post- game broadcasts, I'm willing to bet you never heard the Mike Silver Show. I heard it once, during a taping of the show itself, and, after diplomatically praising Mike's enunciation and silently lamenting his woeful ignorance of baseball basics, never listened again. You see, Mike was the only kid on the block with a tape recorder:reporter:(there he is) and decided to become a living legend by starring in his own sports extravaganza. His show, which ran for three episodes, featured guest stars from the world of sports (I was the first, and the last) as well as Dodgers' chitchat. Its theme song (don't ask me why) was "Song of India" as recorded by Tommy Dorsey and the Orchestra. Hey, it was Mike's tape recorder. Anyway....,we listened to the playback, shook hands, and Mike was a media immortal. Try as he might, Mike could not get anyone to come in and listen to segments two and three. These tapes, I have been told, are now priceless - if they still exist. Mike could barely hide his disappointment, but, being a good guy, announced that the tape recorder was broken, and turned his after-hours attention to punchball, like the rest of us.

[donzblock]

I remember Gussie Moran's (tennis) panties being lace, rather than gold, but of course I wasn't there all the time. Perhaps she changed for the broadcast. Although she may have worked hard on enhancing her sports knowledge, she spent too little time learning how to pronounce the athlete's names, no doubt a tacit embarrassment to everyone except Gussie. Another point of awkwardness in Gorgeous Gussie's career was her marriage, during which she and her groom remained together for a full two weeks before separating permanently. No, friends, I don't make this stuff up.

As for pre- and post- game broadcasts, I'm willing to bet you never heard the Mike Silver Show. I heard it once, during a taping of the show itself, and, after diplomatically praising Mike's enunciation and silently lamenting his woeful ignorance of baseball basics, never listened again. You see, Mike was the only kid on the block with a tape recorder:reporter:(there he is) and decided to become a living legend by starring in his own sports extravaganza. His show, which ran for three episodes, featured guest stars from the world of sports (I was the first, and the last) as well as Dodgers' chitchat. Its theme song (don't ask me why) was "Song of India" as recorded by Tommy Dorsey and the Orchestra. Hey, it was Mike's tape recorder. Anyway....,we listened to the playback, shook hands, and Mike was a media immortal. Try as he might, Mike could not get anyone to come in and listen to segments two and three. These tapes, I have been told, are now priceless - if they still exist. Mike could barely hide his disappointment, but, being a good guy, announced that the tape recorder was broken, and turned his after-hours attention to punchball, like the rest of us.
This posting will be a collector's item since it represents Jaykay's first use of an icon. Up to this point, words have been enough. The true significance of this millstone remains to be seen.

Gussie Moran was a laughingstock. And if she was really gorgeous, then radio downplayed her only asset. I believe she finished her career appearing on segments two and three of the Mike Silver Show.

Wasn't the postgame Felton show called "Talk to the Stars"?

[MATHA531]

This posting will be a collector's item since it represents Jaykay's first use of an icon. Up to this point, words have been enough. The true significance of this millstone remains to be seen.

Gussie Moran was a laughingstock. And if she was really gorgeous, then radio downplayed her only asset. I believe she finished her career appearing on segments two and three of the Mike Silver Show.

Wasn't the postgame Felton show called "Talk to the Stars"?

Absotively, posilutely. One player from each team answered questions phoned in by listeners...I once sent my mom's name in and she was called (they called you before the game to tell you that you would be on the show) and we won two free tickets to a Dodger home game against New York.