All Time Draft Rematch - 5 year stats

[ElHalo]

Ok, so I figured it would be nice to have an easy reference stat list for the five year peaks of players involved. These numbers are just taken off BBRef and run through a spreadsheet, so advanced metrics aren't included (feel free to add them if you have easy access). I adjusted all of the rate stats for time played in season... so if a guy put up a 200 ERA+ in a season with 300 IP, and a 120 ERA+ in a season with 110 IP, his rate will reflect the first season more strongly.

Of course, this isn't meant to be anything definitive or all-encumbrancing. Just a helpful quick reference for the five year periods. I'll update this as more people draft; pitchers first.

[ElHalo]

Walter Johnson:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
29.80 12.60 1.54 200.09 0.94 236.20 349.14 6.09 1.62 6.85 2.00

Greg Maddux:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
17.40 6.40 2.10 201.98 0.94 178.00 228.08 7.02 1.16 7.28 0.00

Pedro Martinez:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
16.80 5.60 2.18 215.24 0.93 263.20 204.40 11.59 2.01 6.32 0.00

Pete Alexander:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
27.40 12.00 1.64 173.73 0.97 180.40 350.32 4.63 1.42 7.33 2.40

Randy Johnson:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
20.00 7.60 2.63 175.17 1.07 349.20 254.88 12.33 2.64 6.99 0.00

Lefty Grove:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
25.60 6.60 2.57 174.36 1.17 185.00 281.68 5.91 2.21 8.29 5.80

Mordecai Peter Centennial Brown:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
25.40 8.80 1.42 181.57 0.93 137.80 292.12 4.25 1.65 6.74 5.00

Sandy Koufax:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
22.20 6.80 1.95 166.67 0.93 288.80 275.40 9.44 2.07 6.27 0.80


Christy Mathewson:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
27.60 10.20 1.71 169.79 0.99 173.40 320.26 4.87 1.18 7.77 2.80


Tom Seaver:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
20.60 10.20 2.35 153.66 1.03 256.00 280.46 8.22 2.36 6.91 0.00


Roger Clemens:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
20.00 8.40 2.71 156.12 1.10 244.80 256.26 8.60 2.52 7.39 0.00


Cy Young:


Ed Walsh:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
24.80 16.40 1.59 160.16 0.94 223.00 371.00 5.41 1.58 6.88 4.20


Hal Newhauser:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
23.60 11.20 2.35 160.28 1.19 198.60 295.12 6.06 3.17 7.53 1.60


Johan Santana:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
16.40 7.00 2.92 154.32 1.01 230.40 214.14 9.68 2.06 6.99 0.00


Bob Feller:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
24.40 11.80 2.68 143.49 1.22 262.20 326.06 7.24 4.05 6.97 2.80


Bob Gibson:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
20.00 10.60 2.35 149.82 1.09 240.80 287.28 7.54 2.56 7.22 0.00


Kevin Brown:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
16.40 8.20 2.51 164.41 1.05 211.60 241.92 7.87 1.89 7.57 0.00


Carl Hubbell:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
22.20 10.60 2.40 154.19 1.07 136.80 302.48 4.07 1.37 8.22 3.60


Kid Nichols:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
27.80 14.40 2.80 156.03 1.20 123.00 370.26 2.99 2.05 8.79 2.40


Addie Joss:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
21.20 10.60 1.66 152.12 0.94 115.60 284.80 3.65 1.28 7.19 1.00


Dazzy Vance:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
19.40 10.00 2.76 142.54 1.13 201.40 259.24 6.99 2.37 7.81 0.80


Juan Marichal:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
21.60 9.80 2.30 149.19 0.99 210.20 286.12 6.61 1.41 7.46 0.20


Rube Waddell:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
22.40 13.80 1.94 151.20 1.06 268.80 316.94 7.63 2.40 7.14 0.00


Curt Schilling:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
17.00 8.00 3.24 144.86 1.06 234.80 224.20 9.43 1.48 8.10 0.00


Warren Spahn:

Robin Roberts:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
23.60 13.40 2.91 135.23 1.08 163.60 326.68 4.51 1.54 8.16 2.60


Bert Blyleven:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
15.80 14.40 2.75 140.19 1.13 228.20 282.82 7.26 2.41 7.78 0.00


John Clarkson:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
41.80 18.60 2.54 143.22 1.13 273.00 543.20 4.52 1.98 8.17 0.20


Amos Rusie:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
32.40 23.80 2.79 139.32 1.33 273.80 501.40 4.91 4.44 7.57 0.80


Whitey Ford:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
15.60 6.60 2.50 146.29 1.20 126.40 207.74 5.48 3.58 7.22 1.00


Steve Carlton:
W: L: ERA: ERA+: WHIP: K: IP: K/9: BB/9: H/9: SV:
18.80 9.40 2.77 136.81 1.13 207.40 255.06 7.32 2.77 7.44 0.00

[Wade8813]

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[brett]

Maybe "owners" can post a stat line on the roster page, or even a brief comment on the stats.

[ElHalo]

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Forgot to do that, thanks!

[ElHalo]

Babe Ruth:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.370 0.511 0.778 1.289 229.37 141.80 144.60 181.80 37.60 10.60 47.00 131.80 11.80 138.20 381.60


Barry Bonds:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.339 0.535 0.781 1.316 242.44 143.20 123.00 144.00 28.00 2.40 51.60 108.80 9.20 174.40 331.60


Rogers Hornsby:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.402 0.474 0.690 1.164 204.20 139.20 123.00 215.60 41.20 13.20 28.80 119.60 8.60 70.40 369.60


Honus Wagner:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.349 0.417 0.503 0.920 182.09 143.80 101.40 184.60 37.20 13.20 5.80 92.60 51.80 55.60 265.60


Ted Williams:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.362 0.508 0.658 1.166 211.94 147.20 133.40 183.20 37.60 5.60 33.60 124.20 1.80 147.20 332.80


Willie Mays:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.328 0.401 0.618 1.019 166.84 151.80 115.20 190.80 27.40 13.00 38.40 102.80 28.20 73.40 359.40


Ty Cobb:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.396 0.455 0.564 1.018 198.01 140.80 111.80 210.20 32.60 17.20 7.20 95.00 67.20 51.40 298.80


Mickey Mantle:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.322 0.448 0.616 1.064 190.32 147.00 121.00 166.20 23.80 5.40 39.20 99.00 14.60 118.60 318.40


Lou Gehrig:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.354 0.458 0.677 1.135 195.71 154.40 144.20 205.00 40.80 14.60 39.20 160.20 9.40 108.80 392.60


Tris Speaker:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.359 0.443 0.504 0.946 176.66 150.60 108.20 198.20 40.00 14.40 3.80 79.80 40.80 77.40 278.40


Mike Schmidt:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.280 0.398 0.571 0.968 166.26 141.00 97.40 139.00 21.80 4.00 38.00 102.80 10.00 97.80 282.80


Alex Rodriguez:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.304 0.394 0.608 1.002 152.90 152.40 125.20 177.40 30.00 2.20 47.80 127.60 16.00 81.00 355.20


Hank Aaron:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.323 0.383 0.600 0.984 169.43 155.80 116.20 196.80 32.40 7.60 40.40 125.40 18.20 62.20 365.60


Eddie Mathews:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.289 0.400 0.577 0.977 162.20 147.00 105.20 154.80 24.80 5.60 39.40 105.60 4.60 100.40 309.00


Joe DiMaggio:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.350 0.420 0.638 1.058 168.64 137.40 120.60 191.40 34.00 10.80 33.80 138.20 3.40 62.40 348.40


Eddie Collins:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.345 0.428 0.446 0.874 160.97 147.80 107.80 187.80 23.20 12.40 2.40 69.40 60.80 71.80 243.00


Joe Morgan:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.303 0.431 0.499 0.930 162.97 148.40 113.00 158.40 29.20 4.00 21.60 85.40 62.00 118.40 260.40


Nap Lajoie:


Stan Musial:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.350 0.441 0.616 1.058 177.82 152.80 119.40 205.60 40.00 11.20 31.20 112.40 5.20 93.40 361.60


Arky Vaughan:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.337 0.432 0.505 0.938 153.23 144.00 100.20 179.80 30.20 13.60 10.80 88.00 6.00 85.40 269.60

Wade Boggs:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.357 0.454 0.496 0.950 157.22 153.60 112.60 213.20 45.00 4.80 9.60 70.00 1.40 107.60 296.60


Mike Piazza:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.337 0.401 0.583 0.984 164.20 133.60 83.60 167.60 21.40 0.60 33.40 105.20 2.00 53.60 290.40


Jackie Robinson:

Cal Ripken, Jr.:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.288 0.356 0.479 0.835 128.25 161.80 107.00 184.20 35.80 3.60 26.40 95.40 2.20 69.40 306.40


Johnnie Bench:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.270 0.344 0.495 0.839 132.83 150.80 86.00 150.60 23.20 2.40 32.60 105.60 4.60 67.00 276.40


Jimmie Foxx:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.348 0.454 0.675 1.129 185.61 151.00 128.80 196.00 32.60 7.80 45.40 144.00 7.00 108.40 380.40


Chipper Jones:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.320 0.422 0.578 1.000 154.02 158.00 112.00 183.40 35.20 2.60 35.80 106.00 14.40 104.40 331.20

Rod Carew:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.358 0.422 0.490 0.911 155.57 151.20 99.60 210.40 30.20 9.60 9.20 77.40 37.20 67.20 287.40


Ron Santo:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.301 0.384 0.520 0.904 150.33 160.60 92.20 179.20 27.20 7.00 29.80 101.20 3.40 81.40 309.80


Ernie Banks:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.291 0.359 0.572 0.932 146.13 151.80 99.60 169.00 27.20 6.80 41.00 114.20 3.20 62.20 332.80


Charlie Gehringer:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.347 0.428 0.512 0.940 139.58 151.40 127.40 211.00 44.80 6.80 14.20 110.40 8.40 83.80 312.00


Frank Thomas:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.334 0.455 0.631 1.086 184.05 139.60 106.80 167.00 31.60 0.20 38.80 119.80 2.20 115.00 315.40


Mark McGwire:

Shoeless Joe Jackson:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.368 0.437 0.532 0.969 177.64 139.80 96.00 190.20 34.00 17.80 5.00 75.60 28.00 56.60 274.80


Mel Ott:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.316 0.424 0.568 0.991 166.34 151.20 113.40 176.00 28.20 6.00 33.20 119.00 4.40 99.60 315.80


Dick Allen:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.302 0.381 0.552 0.933 163.50 147.60 101.20 166.60 28.40 11.20 29.00 90.60 11.00 71.60 304.40


Albert Pujols:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.336 0.429 0.634 1.063 172.32 154.60 123.40 193.00 42.20 1.40 42.20 120.80 7.00 90.20 364.60


George Brett:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.328 0.391 0.557 0.948 158.06 125.40 87.80 161.20 34.40 9.40 19.80 88.60 10.40 52.80 273.80


Ken Griffey, Jr.:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.313 0.387 0.561 0.948 155.46 143.60 91.40 170.40 34.20 3.80 31.20 96.40 14.40 66.00 305.80


Yogi Berra:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.299 0.365 0.503 0.867 135.76 144.40 94.60 165.40 23.40 4.40 26.80 108.60 2.20 54.20 278.00


Dan Brouthers:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.360 0.408 0.562 0.971 197.43 99.00 92.80 149.00 31.60 13.80 8.20 74.00 4.20 34.00 232.80


Jeff Bagwell:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.310 0.430 0.588 1.018 170.61 139.00 107.20 156.40 36.40 1.40 33.60 113.80 19.60 103.00 296.40


Billy Hamilton:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.368 0.475 0.472 0.947 155.91 121.20 148.20 183.60 22.60 8.40 4.20 63.60 81.20 93.60 235.60


Duke Snider:

Willie McCovey:

Tim Raines:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.318 0.406 0.467 0.873 142.04 151.20 113.60 185.60 33.80 9.60 11.40 60.40 71.00 86.60 272.80


Frank Baker:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.326 0.387 0.487 0.874 155.92 139.20 91.60 173.40 32.40 11.20 10.40 100.60 29.20 48.40 259.40


Rickey Henderson:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.288 0.421 0.465 0.887 151.01 134.20 105.60 136.80 23.20 2.40 18.80 56.00 60.20 107.20 221.20


Will Clark:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.302 0.379 0.503 0.882 152.85 153.40 90.00 171.80 33.20 5.60 23.20 100.80 8.20 72.00 285.80


Harry Heilmann:

Frank Robinson:
[/CODE]BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.301 0.401 0.553 0.954 171.12 143.60 98.80 156.40 27.20 4.00 31.80 96.20 8.60 77.80 287.00
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Hank Greenberg:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.317 0.421 0.651 1.072 166.56 147.40 122.60 174.20 38.60 7.60 43.20 143.60 6.80 97.00 357.60


Manny Ramirez:

Hughie Jennings:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.361 0.449 0.474 0.923 140.13 129.80 137.20 182.40 29.40 10.40 2.20 104.20 49.60 40.00 239.20


George Sisler:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.381 0.426 0.559 0.985 161.78 136.00 112.20 210.60 36.20 15.60 10.20 91.00 40.20 39.20 308.60


Ed Delahanty:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.390 0.462 0.590 1.052 171.96 122.80 136.20 202.00 41.40 15.60 10.40 121.00 0.00 63.00 305.80


Joe Cronin:

Al Rosen:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.298 0.406 0.528 0.934 150.73 149.80 94.80 164.60 26.40 3.40 31.20 114.00 6.80 86.00 291.40


Carl Yastrzemski:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.297 0.405 0.529 0.934 158.64 160.20 100.80 171.20 31.80 2.00 32.60 97.60 13.80 104.60 304.80


Lou Boudreau:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.319 0.397 0.446 0.843 138.28 137.80 77.40 162.40 35.60 4.20 6.80 70.00 4.20 62.60 226.80


Johnny Mize:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.337 0.421 0.603 1.024 171.92 145.60 94.00 182.40 37.60 11.60 27.80 112.00 2.60 74.80 326.60


Ralph Kiner:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.294 0.420 0.609 1.029 168.97 152.20 114.80 161.40 22.60 5.20 46.80 120.80 2.40 117.20 334.80


Edgar Martinez:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.334 0.455 0.579 1.033 165.25 147.00 103.60 174.40 44.00 1.00 27.20 102.40 3.40 112.20 302.00


Craig Biggio:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.308 0.404 0.477 0.881 136.09 147.80 118.60 176.20 37.20 4.20 17.00 75.40 38.80 73.00 272.80


Jason Giambi:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.311 0.444 0.596 1.039 171.31 155.00 109.80 167.80 34.20 1.00 39.20 121.80 1.80 121.80 321.60


Robin Yount:

Robbie Alomar:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.315 0.395 0.472 0.866 127.61 139.00 99.00 167.40 30.80 5.80 13.60 73.40 34.00 71.00 250.60


Jim Edmonds:
BA: OBP: SLG: OPS: OPS+: G: R: H: 2B: 3B: HR: RBI: SB: BB: TB:
0.298 0.410 0.593 1.003 156.39 147.20 102.20 145.60 32.80 1.60 36.20 100.20 5.60 92.00 290.20

[brett]

Player 5 yr WARP I 5 yr WARP I/162 5 yr WARP III
Ruth 74.5 17.02 72.1
Bonds 65.7 14.87 68.0
Hornsby 83.8 19.20 69.6
Wagner 79.2 17.84 66.0
Williams 68.0 14.97 67.9
Mays 67.2 14.34 67.3
Cobb 70.6 16.25 61.9
Mantle 65.6 14.46 61.4
Gehrig 63.2 13.26 58.9
Speaker 70.9 15.25 56.2
Schmidt 51.6 11.86 54.3
Rodriguez 50.2 10.67 61.3
Aaron 59.2 12.44 59.8
Mathews 47.8 10.54 51.7
DiMaggio 59.8 14.10 60.5
Collins 77.5 16.99 60.8
Morgan 69.4 15.15 66.7
Lajoie undecided
Musial 58.8 12.47 57.8
Vaughan 65.6 14.76 65.0
Boggs 52.2 11.01 60.4

For clarity, the first number is their 5 year WARP I. The second is the 5 year WARP I per 162 games, the third is the 5 year WARP III

notes:

I did not calculate WARP III/162 because WARP III already adjusts seasons shorter than 162 upward by 2/3 the rate times the games under 162. In other words, it counts Schmidt in '81 as if he had played at "well" for the balance of games in an entire 162 game schedule.

WARP I does NOT give players credit for shorter seasons (less than 162) relative to a 162 game schedule.

WARP III attempts to adjust for league quality AND shorter seasons.

WARP does not account for baserunning on the hits/sacrifices/outs of others. This can be up to about
+/-0.8 WARP for the very best and worst. Also often the best players are not those with the best SB totals. Matt Holliday for example was about +0.8 in '06 (I believe).

[ElHalo]

notes:
Chris listed Speaker from '14 to '20. I used '14-'18 which was his highest from his chosen years.

It was actually mislabelled in the thread heading... I ran into the same problem. The years he wanted were 1910-1914.

[brett]

It was actually mislabelled in the thread heading... I ran into the same problem. The years he wanted were 1910-1914.

Thanks, I corrected it, and it brings the numbers up though '12-'16 were actually his 5 best at 70.9 for WARP I.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Brett, I meant to take Spokes from 12-16.

[ElHalo]

Brett, I meant to take Spokes from 12-16.

I corrected it above in my numbers.

[brett]

I corrected it above in my numbers.

ElHalo, Alexander is listed on the draft page as '15-'17, '19-'20 with the '18 season removed for WWI.

[brett]

EH, how are you averaging 5 year ERA+. If you average the players leagues ERA and his ERA there is a mathematical problem, in that the highest run environments get weighted more in the LEAGUE average. I believe that it should simply be their seasonal ERA+ scores weighted by their IP.

For example, if a guy has one year with a 2.00 and the league is 4.00, then a year where he is 3.00 and the league is 3.00, his average is 2.50 and his league is 3.50 giving him a 140 ERA+ even though he was 200 one year and 100 the next.

[ElHalo]

EH, how are you averaging 5 year ERA+. If you average the players leagues ERA and his ERA there is a mathematical problem, in that the highest run environments get weighted more in the LEAGUE average. I believe that it should simply be their seasonal ERA+ scores weighted by their IP.

For example, if a guy has one year with a 2.00 and the league is 4.00, then a year where he is 3.00 and the league is 3.00, his average is 2.50 and his league is 3.50 giving him a 140 ERA+ even though he was 200 one year and 100 the next.

The short answer is that I'm taking the player's five year ERA divided by the five year league ERA, times 100.

To get the player's ERA is fairly easy: Total up the total ER's given up by the pitcher over the five year period, divide it by the total IP by the pitcher over the period, multiply by 100.

For the league ERA, I'm taking each individual year's league ERA (as supplied by BB-Ref), and multiplying by the pitcher's IP that year to weight each season depending on how much they pitched. Those numbers for each year are then added, and divided by the total innings pitched of the player for the five year period.

So, if a guy pitched 200 innings in a 4.00 ERA environment, and then 250 innings in a 4.50 ERA environment, and then another 150 in a 5.00 ERA, his average league ERA would come out to ((200*4)+(250*4.50)+(150*5.00))/(200+250+150)=4.458, because the 200 innings in a 4.00 environment pulls the league ERA down more than the 150 innings in a 5.00 environment pulls it up.

So, then, once I have the player's actual ERA based on the total IP and total ER over the whole five year period, I divide that by the weighted league average ERA, and multiply by 100 to get the ERA+. So what an individual's ERA in each season is never even gets calculated, much less counted, so the situation you cite above wouldn't be a problem.

[ElHalo]

EH, how are you averaging 5 year ERA+. If you average the players leagues ERA and his ERA there is a mathematical problem, in that the highest run environments get weighted more in the LEAGUE average. I believe that it should simply be their seasonal ERA+ scores weighted by their IP.

For example, if a guy has one year with a 2.00 and the league is 4.00, then a year where he is 3.00 and the league is 3.00, his average is 2.50 and his league is 3.50 giving him a 140 ERA+ even though he was 200 one year and 100 the next.

In fairness, I think this is more a difference in opinion than a mathematical problem. I understand your point, but it seems rather arbitrary, when we're dealing with five year peaks, to discreetly cut off players' years and consider that single year's number in a vacuum. I don't necessarily agree that a 150 ERA+ would be appropriate to give to the guy in the situation you cite to above.

[brett]

In fairness, I think this is more a difference in opinion than a mathematical problem. I understand your point, but it seems rather arbitrary, when we're dealing with five year peaks, to discreetly cut off players' years and consider that single year's number in a vacuum. I don't necessarily agree that a 150 ERA+ would be appropriate to give to the guy in the situation you cite to above.

Let's say a player has a magnificent 1.50 ERA in a league that has a 3.00 era for 2700 innings over the first 10 years of his career. He is giving up 450 earned runs and his league would have been 900 over that period.

Then let's say he hangs on for 10 years when his league's offensive rates suddenly rise to 5 RPG and he gives up 5 RPG and pitches 2700 innings.
He gives up 1500, same as the league

So he has 10 years with an ERA+ of 200 averaging 270 per year
Then 10 years with an ERA+ of 100 averaging 270 per year.

But he has given up 1950 in 5400 innings for a 3.25 cumulative ERA (which is the average of his 20 years ERA's (10 at 1.50 and 10 at 5.00)

But his league rates at a total of 2400 in 5400 innings or 4.00 so his era is 3.25 and his league is 4.00 giving him an ERA+ of 4.00/3.25 or just 123, even though he was 200 for 10 years and 100 for 10 years. See what it does to the denomonator? The 10 years where he was at 5.00 have a much higher weighted effect on lowering his ERA+

Essentially it is
(2.00+5.00)/2
(1.00+5.00)/2

His 10 years at 5.00 contribute 5/6 of the denomonator, therefore his 10 years with a 100 ERA+ gets weighted about 5 times more in determining his career ERA+ (of 123).

basically

(2/1 + 3/2)/2 1.75 is not equal to

(2+3)/(1+2) 1.67

Its not a problem when taking a stat like career batting average, but when taking relative batting average it is.

Its minor, though Pedro Martinez for example has a 167 career ERA+ and it hurts guys who put up average seasons.

In another example, if a guy puts up a 3.00 in a 5.00 setting and then a 4.00 in a 5.00 setting, his composite ERA is 3.50 and his league 5.00 he has a 1.43 ERA+, but season 1 he was 1.67 and season 2 he was 1.25. The average of his 2 seasons would be 1.46.

I noticed it when I realized that pitchers could have very good career ERA+ scores drop dramatically in 1-2 average to poor seasons at the end of their careers. In effect the poor seasons counted as if they were weighted by the pitchers raw ERA.

It works the opposite for OPS+. Poor years at the end do not properly drop a player's OPS+.

We can even take an example of 2 guys with 2 seasons of the same ERA+.

One guy goes 3.00 versus 5.00 (167), then 4.00 versus 4.00 (100) but using "rate over rate" averaging he gets 9/7 or 129, but the average of his 2 seasons was 133. The 4.00 ERA season got weighted 4/3 as much as the 3.00 season.

Another guy in another time and place goes 4.00 versus 5.00 and 3.00 versus 4.00. He has seasons of 133 and 125. Using rate over rate averaging he also gets 129, but the average of his 2 seasons was 129.

Walter Johnson for example only gets his 1.14 ERA season weighted about 1/3 as much as his 1923 season (3.42). His average of average (innings weighted) ERA+ is 161, second highest of all time and better than Grove (156).

[ElHalo]

See what it does to the denomonator? The 10 years where he was at 5.00 have a much higher weighted effect on lowering his ERA+

Again, I understand your point, I just disagree that it shouldn't be done this way (double negative there, I know). I don't think giving this pitcher a 123 ERA+ is inappropriate. It's not that the numbers put up in a higher rate environment count more; it's that the numbers closer to the mean count more. Consider the opposite circumstance:

200 ERA+ in a 5.00 ERA environment.
100 ERA+ in a 3.00 ERA environment.

Now, his total ERA is going to be 2.75, and his ERA+ is going to be 145 instead of the 150 you'd get if you just averaged 200 and 100. The numbers put up in the lower run environment here count more than the numbers in the high run environment. This makes perfect sense to me, because one season of being league average should put more downward pressure on your total career than one season of being twice as good as league average.

[brett]

Again, I understand your point, I just disagree that it shouldn't be done this way (double negative there, I know). I don't think giving this pitcher a 123 ERA+ is inappropriate. It's not that the numbers put up in a higher rate environment count more; it's that the numbers closer to the mean count more. Consider the opposite circumstance:

200 ERA+ in a 5.00 ERA environment.
100 ERA+ in a 3.00 ERA environment.

Now, his total ERA is going to be 2.75, and his ERA+ is going to be 145 instead of the 150 you'd get if you just averaged 200 and 100. The numbers put up in the lower run environment here count more than the numbers in the high run environment. This makes perfect sense to me, because one season of being league average should put more downward pressure on your total career than one season of being twice as good as league average.

And I have no problem with that. My problem is that your guy with

200 ERA+ in a 5.00 ERA environment.
100 ERA+ in a 3.00 ERA environment.
is 145 and another guy who goes

200 in the 3.00 enviro and
100 in the 5.00 run setting has a
123

Yet they are equally valuable based on current method of modelling wins and loses. Their projected winning percentages will be equal over the 2 year period. And I don't think its HARDER to go 200 in the 5 run setting than in the 3 run setting. I have heard it argued that it may be harder.


And to clarify, its not the run environment that weights the ERA+ scores, it is the absolute ERA of the pitcher, so in your example, the pitcher has a raw ERA of 2.50 in year 1 and 3.00 in year 2 and so year 2 gets weighted 6/5 as much as year 1.

If someone went 200 in a 6 run setting and 100 in a 2 run setting he would be 160 because now his year 1 era is 3.00 and his year 2 is only 2.00.