All Time Draft Round Two DRAFT PAGE.

[brett]

PK3 and I just made a trade of draft positions.

I get his pick (on the clock now) and his 25 round pick.

He gets my pick #10 in this round (in 2 spots after me and EH) and my pick #5 in round 24.

[brett]

And my pick is Gil McDougald '53-'57.

Played over 200 games at second, shortstop AND third from '53-'57 and at a gold glove level based on FRAA.

And a pretty good 116.8 ERA+ to boot.

+20 FRAA/162 at shortstop is basically a gold glove level. Cal Ripken's best 5 year run he averaged +16/162.
Ozzie Smith's best 5 years he averaged +24.

Robbie Alomar was about +13/162 at second for his top 5 years.

And Mike Schmidt was +13/162 at third for his top 5 years.

[brett]

DERA doesn't like this guy, but I'm taking him anyway. Partly because it would be cool to have the guys with four of the top five single-season ERA+ scores ever.

Dutch Leonard 1913-17

132.9 composite

[Erik Bedard]

I just tried it a different way and that's what I got as well. Not bad for a long reliever.

[brett]

I just tried it a different way and that's what I got as well. Not bad for a long reliever.

I think its a great pick. 5 starters can each pick up 30 starts, and a sixth guy can pick up around 12 by picking up a start in the middle of a stretch of 13 straight game days, or make up double headers etc. And he can take over if the regular starter has an off-day, or if someone goes down for 21 days etc. without much of a loss.

[ElHalo]

Richie Ashburn, 1954-1958.

[AstrosFan]

Nice pick, EH. Ashburn is a great OBP guy with great defense, and good speed. He's not a power hitter, but he can hit, unlike some of those other high OBP guys like Joe Morgan, who was just a coward.

[brett]

PK3 is up in my spot.

[ElHalo]

Nice pick, EH. Ashburn is a great OBP guy with great defense, and good speed. He's not a power hitter, but he can hit, unlike some of those other high OBP guys like Joe Morgan, who was just a coward.

I've always said that Ashburn is basically Willie Mays without any power whatsoever. I'll take that for my fourth outfielder. There were two similar guys I was looking at for that spot, but I ended up going with Ashburn, one of my favorites.

[AstrosFan]

I've always said that Ashburn is basically Willie Mays without any power whatsoever. I'll take that for my fourth outfielder. There were two similar guys I was looking at for that spot, but I ended up going with Ashburn, one of my favorites.

He was one of my dad's all-time favorite players, and that was before my parents moved to Philadelphia.

[brett]

There were two similar guys I was looking at for that spot,

??? (F)W ???

[brett]

Richie Ashburn, 1954-1958.


Why '54 to '58? '51-'53 were an incredible defensive run.
Well, it probably just about balances out with offense.

How many starts would you plan to get him?

[ElHalo]

Why '54 to '58? '51-'53 were an incredible defensive run.
Well, it probably just about balances out with offense.

How many starts would you plan to get him?

He still had fantastic defense in the later stretch (although BP shows him as having one bad year), but his offense -- specifically his OBP -- was much more effective. I plan to use him mostly as a defensive replacement for Hack Wilson, and to spell the other outfielders. I'll have to wait and see who my other backup outfielder will be before I set a specific target for his games started; I'm thinking I'll probably look for 50-60 starts between the two of them, but Ashburn will get more playing time in late-game situations for Wilson.

[philkid3]

PK3 and I just made a trade of draft positions.

I get his pick (on the clock now) and his 25 round pick.

He gets my pick #10 in this round (in 2 spots after me and EH) and my pick #5 in round 24.

I confirm this. I'll make my pick shortly.

[brett]

He still had fantastic defense in the later stretch (although BP shows him as having one bad year), but his offense -- specifically his OBP -- was much more effective. I plan to use him mostly as a defensive replacement for Hack Wilson, and to spell the other outfielders. I'll have to wait and see who my other backup outfielder will be before I set a specific target for his games started; I'm thinking I'll probably look for 50-60 starts between the two of them, but Ashburn will get more playing time in late-game situations for Wilson.

My final analysis of the starting rotations is about half way finished. Right now I have your staff at a relative era of 2.65 on a 4.00 scale through 1000 innings (innings standardized to this league's workload). The next closest 5 man rotation is 2.91 right now and the highest so far is 3.13.

I know he's not your style of offensive player but what do you think about McDougald? When I saw that he played 200+ games at second, ss and third in his 5 years with FRAA on par with the likes of gold glovers I jumped at him. I think I would have taken that even if he had a sub 100 OPS+.

[philkid3]

[brett]

I confirm this. I'll make my pick shortly.

Remember that you pick next, and then you get my pick at spot #5 in round 24, and your pick at spot #7 in round 24.

[Minstrel]

I'll select:



Andruw Jones (1998-2002)

He averaged double-digit WARP3 over that five-year stretch. Not bad for my backup center fielder (and any other outfield position). He's one of the few players in history who can come in for Willie Mays and not represent much of a defensive downgrade.

[Wade8813]

STBF has about 20 minutes on his clock.

[Wade8813]

CLD has 50 minutes left on the clock.

[Wade8813]

WHY IS NOBODY PICKING?!?!? :rant::mad: :ughh

Leecemark has now been skipped, so he gets skipped again as it comes back around, then CLD gets skipped again, and STBF gets skipped again...

So, I guess Minstrel is up.

[leecemark]

--I guess people aren't picking because they have no idea they are supposed to. I know I didn't have a clue I was up. The draft page hasn't been updated in quite awhile and there has been more discussion (which was supposed to be done in the other thread) than drafting in the thread recently. I think we may have lost some participants entirely too. When was Wee Willie last active?
--I'll have my picks posted shortly.

[leecemark]

Deacon White 1875-1879 (backup catcher)
John Rocker 1998-2000 (third lefty reliever)

[brett]

Deacon White 1875-1879 (backup catcher)
John Rocker 1998-2000 (third lefty reliever)

Rocker has been selected.

Pick again.

Minstrel is free to pick though.

[leecemark]

--Okay, Gary Lavelle 1975-77 then. Only one really great year in the 3, but he averages over 100 IP and is extra tough on LH batters.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Bernie Williams




1997-2001

Lance Parrish

1979-1983

[Minstrel]

I'll select:



Ray Boone (1953-1957)

He may not be the absolutely best player left, but he makes a great addition to my bench...as a starter, he'd qualify to play at first base, shortstop and third base. Off the bench, I'm going to assume he can back up all four infield positions other than catcher (if he can play shortstop capably, he can play second base).

And he hit fairly well, with an EQA around .295-.300 for the five year stretch.

He adds a lot of versatility to a valuable bench slot (slots for players are dwindling) and means I now have a legitimate backup for every position on the diamond (though one more outfielder and infielder would be a good idea).

[ElHalo]

Another reason why I think it's been a bad idea to make trades in this draft: I have absolutely no idea whose pick it is now. Brett? Mine? Somebody Brett traded his pick to that hasn't shown up in a while? I'm completely at a loss.

[brett]

Here's the rest of the draft:
Round 24
PK3
ElHalo
PK3
EB
AF
DMF
WW*
Westlake
Brett
Wade

Round 25
Wade
Brett
Westlake
WW*
Brett
AF
Brett
EH
Wade
Minstrel
STBF*
Chris
Leecemark

Any corrections? I'll try to post this every couple of hours. Sorry I clogged stuff up with so much discussion.

[brett]

Another reason why I think it's been a bad idea to make trades in this draft: I have absolutely no idea whose pick it is now. Brett? Mine? Somebody Brett traded his pick to that hasn't shown up in a while? I'm completely at a loss.

Also, I believe PK3 accepted 1 hour windows, so EH you are up, and EB is free to draft after your pick.

[ElHalo]

Also, I believe PK3 accepted 1 hour windows, so EH you are up, and EB is free to draft after your pick.

And why did I still think we were on the 21st round?

Anyway,



Tony Perez, 1969-1973. Works at both corners, pretty good offense. Unless he's been taken since the front page got updated last.

[Minstrel]

We're having a waiver round after the draft, right?

[Wade8813]

Yes, we're having a waiver round.

[brett]

And why did I still think we were on the 21st round?

Anyway,


Tony Perez, 1969-1973. Works at both corners, pretty good offense. Unless he's been taken since the front page got updated last.

I wanted him as my next position player. His 5 year OPS+ was 144.3 and he actually played 3 full seasons at third at above average FRAA during that stretch.

Were you considering Bernie Williams with your Ashburn pick?

[Erik Bedard]

Frankie Frisch, 1923-27



That's an average WARP3 of 9.5 and an average FRAA of either 22 or 17.2, depending on which column you look at. Plus he's eligible at both 2B and 3B, and could fill in at SS.

[AstrosFan]

Chuck Knoblauch 1995-99

Average WARP3 of 9.0

[brett]

Here's the rest of the draft:
Round 24
DMF
WW*
Westlake
Brett
Wade

Round 25
Wade
Brett
Westlake
WW*
Brett
AF
EB
Brett
EH
Wade
Minstrel
STBF*
Chris
Leecemark

Sorry, you were left off the last round on page 1.

[Erik Bedard]

Brett, I think I'm in there somewhere.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

I'll finish off my team with Bill Mazeroski (1962-1965)

Probably one of the best fielding second basemen in baseball's history.

[Wade8813]

WW is still skipped, so WL is up.

[brett]

Brett, I think I'm in there somewhere.

See the edited post

[brett]

How long does WL have left? It's 10:00 so I'll check in tomorrow morning. I've updated rosters on Brett's worksheet thread if anyone wants to double check.

[Wade8813]

I believe WL has less than an hour after the clock resumes to pick.

[brett]

According to the posted time, WL has until 11:21 Central time today. Daylight Savings wasn't showing up but it looks like it has been fixed so I'm sticking with DMF's time at 3:21 central.

[brett]

Tim Hudson '99-'03

[brett]

Round 24
WW*
Westlake*
Brett-Hudson
Wade

Round 25
Wade
Brett
Westlake
WW*
Brett
AF
EB
Brett
EH
Wade
Minstrel
STBF*
Chris
Leecemark

[Wade8813]

Brett, was your pick in place of TSS? So I'm up?

[brett]

Brett, was your pick in place of TSS? So I'm up?

Yes, you have 2 picks.

[brett]

Brett, was your pick in place of TSS? So I'm up?

Yes, you have 2 picks.

[Wade8813]

I'll take Tejada, 2002-2006. Also, I only get one pick, since I traded one of my picks to WL.

[brett]

I'll take Tejada, 2002-2006. Also, I only get one pick, since I traded one of my picks to WL.

So for now he's skipped then I go, then he's skipped again, and then I go again, so I'm up for 2 picks.

Be right back.

[brett]

Round 24
WW*
Westlake*
Brett-Hudson
Wade

Round 25
Westlake*
Brett
Westlake*
WW*
Brett
AF
EB
Brett
EH
Wade
Minstrel
STBF*
Chris
Leecemark

[brett]

Mel Harder: '31-'35
Bill Terry: '28-'32

[brett]

Round 24
WW*
Westlake*
Brett-Hudson
Wade-Tejada

Round 25
Westlake*
Brett-Harder
Westlake*
WW*
Brett-Terry
AF---UP TO THE PLATE
EB
Brett
EH
Wade
Minstrel
STBF*
Chris
Leecemark

[Westlake]

I ended up without internet for 4 days. How many picks have I missed, im confused.

[brett]

I ended up without internet for 4 days. How many picks have I missed, im confused.

You just missed 3, all in about a 30 minute period. 2 of your own, rounds 24 and 25 and Wade's round 25er so your only about 1-4 picks back on them.

Remember its you FINAL 3 pick and you can go at any time.

[Westlake]

Thanks Brett

Max Carey 1921-1925

Allie Reynolds 1948-1952

Ray Schalk 1913-1917

[ElHalo]

Bill Terry: '28-'32

Fantastic pick; I would have taken him instead of Perez if I didn't need somebody who could cover 3B also. Excellent defense, excellent offense, just an all around great player.

[ElHalo]

Max Carey 1921-1925


One of the two players I was considering when I took Ashburn.

[brett]

I think AF has about an hour.

[brett]

Fantastic pick; I would have taken him instead of Perez if I didn't need somebody who could cover 3B also. Excellent defense, excellent offense, just an all around great player.

I have no idea if I have the best team, but I have the lineup that I would pay the most to watch on offense.

Any suggestions on how to organize the lineup? I'm looking at:

Raines
Collins
Cobb
Thomas
Edmonds
Molitor
Terry
Cochrane
Cronin

or I could put Raines on the bench for his speed, and put in Herman

Collins
Molitor
Cobb
Thomas
Herman
Cochrane
Edmonds ?
Cronin
Terry ? 9th???

any ideas?

[Erik Bedard]

Elmer Flick, 1898-1902 or 1903-07

[ElHalo]

Any suggestions on how to organize the lineup? I'm looking at:

Raines
Collins
Cobb
Thomas
Edmonds
Molitor
Terry
Cochrane
Cronin



I'd probably go with something closer to this one... although I'd switch it up a little bit, move Molitor down to eighth, Terry and Cochrane up a slot. Raines is just too valuable as a leadoff hitter.

I'm thinking my lineup will look like...

Carew
Waner
Mize
Belle
Wilson
Ortiz
Baker
Garciaparra
Howard

Or, for when my other SS starts, shift Howard up a notch and slot him in at number 9.

I like my lineup; there's not really a standout power guy, but other than Carew (whose OBP is off the charts), there's solid power up and down the lineup. The BA and OBP are fantastic; in my 9-man lineup there's 21 seasons batting over .330, and 27 seasons with an OBP over .400. Not a ton of speed outside of Carew, but that tends to go along with my philosophy. Lombardi and Perez provide a decent bit of pop off the bench -- though not a ton, of course -- while people inexplicably underrate Ashburn's offense because he had no power (he led his league in OBP three of the five years I have him, each time over .440, and was always top 10 in steals).

Overall, I certainly wouldn't say I have one of the best lineups out there, but it's certainly passable, probably average-ish to a touch below average... which is all I really need, of course, since my rotation and bullpen completely blow everyone out of the water. I'd have to actually sit down and run through everybody's rosters to really figure out who's got who beat, but I'm certainly comfortable trotting my team out every day... especially considering that you have to face Pedro - Ryan - Rivera one day to be followed by Johnson - Dibble - Hammond the next, without Lowe, Hoerner, or Donnelly breaking a sweat... and spitballs, sky-kicks, and heat Walter Johnson envied waiting in the wings.

I'm actually really torn about my last draft pick; everybody and their mother knows who I've been planning on taking for the last ten rounds, but there's a guy whose stats are just overwhelming, even though he doesn't have the recognition... there's a reason I've been holding off on that backup middle infield slot, hoping that somebody would solve the dilemna for me.

[leecemark]

1B Keith Hernandez
RF Al Kaline
DH Willie McCovey
CF Duke Snider
3B Mike Schmidt
LF Charlie Keller/Gary Sheffield (platoon)
SS Alex Rodriguez
C Johnny Bench
2B Craig Biggio

C/3B Deacon White will play once a week to keep Bench fresh
2B Ross Barnes could play alot if he responds well against modern pitching
OF Jimmy Wynn will spell CF Snider against tough LHP and be a defensive replacement in LF - plus speed off the bench
OF/3B Sheffield can backup RF/3B/DH/1B when not sharing time with Keller
--My last spot will be a good defensive SS who also brings speed off the bench

[brett]

I like my lineup; there's not really a standout power guy, but other than Carew (whose OBP is off the charts), there's solid power up and down the lineup. The BA and OBP are fantastic; in my 9-man lineup there's 21 seasons batting over .330, and 27 seasons with an OBP over .400. Not a ton of speed outside of Carew, but that tends to go along with my philosophy.


I'm actually really torn about my last draft pick;

Why a philosophy of not using speed?

It looks to me like pitching+defense actually are slightly better than offense on the whole in the league.

The average starter had about a 145 ERA+
The average bullpen about 180.

If relivers get just 25% of the innings that's about 154 with is about what the average team OPS+ is. In an average offensive environment, somebody going 70-10 in steals like Raines would be worth about 20 extra runs just with the net of his steals. The catchers arms might be pretty good in the league though.

Anyway, I went for OBP, but happened to prefer guys with average as well which is why I didn't jump at guys like Thome or Morgan (preferring Collins).

I think my composite average of my starting 9 with Raines is .335 and .434 on base%, though they only total about 140 home runs from their average seasons. No, one averaged 40 home runs though Thomas would have with a full '94. I think Cobb would hit around 20 though.

Since you are not going to trade, just pick the guy you want for the middle infielder, I think. If you pick the other guy and then drop him, you are giving somebody else a heads-up on a possible waiver move.

I am suprised though that people aren't getting 6th starters. I remember that Ron Guidry moved to the bullpen in '80 for a while and had a great ERA. His ERA+ in relief from '77-'81 was 219 through 42 innings. Starters have been shown to drop their ERA's 25% when they move to the bullpen. That turns a 130 starter into probably a high 160s reliever. The top relief specialists can top that, but starters simply tend to be better pitchers than relievers.

[Erik Bedard]

For my lineup, I'm thinking something like this:

RF Rickey Henderson
2B Bobby Grich
CF Joe DiMaggio
1B Jeff Bagwell
C Mike Piazza
LF Carl Yastrzemski
DH Frank Howard
3B Scott Rolen
SS George Davis

2B/3B Frankie Frisch
C/OF/IF King Kelly
OF Hugh Duffy
OF Elmer Flick


My team won't win too many LQ debates, but that's not a bad lineup. Top to bottom, I'd say that it might be in the top half.

[brett]

For my lineup, I'm thinking something like this:

RF Rickey Henderson
2B Bobby Grich
CF Joe DiMaggio
1B Jeff Bagwell
C Mike Piazza
LF Carl Yastrzemski
DH Frank Howard
3B Scott Rolen
SS George Davis

2B/3B Frankie Frisch
C/OF/IF King Kelly
OF Hugh Duffy
OF Elmer Flick


My team won't win too many LQ debates, but that's not a bad lineup. Top to bottom, I'd say that it might be in the top half.

Interesting. I might actually put Bagwell #2 in that lineup. He was a good baserunner with big OB%. It might also be interesting to see Rickey on base with Dimaggio #2 because of his low K rate. Henderson's speed and Dimaggio's ability to put it in play, you could have Rickey scoring on a single.

[ElHalo]

Ok... whose pick is it now? I thought it was Brett's, but you posted a couple of times without making a pick.

[Erik Bedard]

It was Brett's, and now it's yours.

[ElHalo]

Rabbit Maranville, 1913-1917. In the least dramatic shocker of all time.

[brett]

Round 24
WW*
Westlake*
Brett-Hudson
Wade-Tejada

Round 25
Westlake*
Brett-Harder
Westlake*
WW*
Brett-Terry
AF*
EB-Flick
Brett
EH
Wade
Minstrel
STBF*
Chris
Leecemark

You are right. And now EH has stolen my pick.

Nobodies going to be interested in my next guy anyway.

Orel Hershiser: '85-'89. I plan to use him as a 6th starter and long reliever. 252 innings and 132 ERA+ for 5 years.

EH, for every Terry there's an Hershiser.

[Wade8813]

I'll take Edd Roush, 1917-1921.

[Minstrel]

For my final pick, I'll select:



Miguel Cabrera (2003-2007)

His rookie season hurts his numbers a bit, but still an overall excellent hitter who gives me a player that can back up either outfield corner as well as third base. Useful to have on the bench.

[Wade8813]

We're almost done with the 25th round. How is the waiver round going to work? Will we just use the current draft order, and snake it back?

Also, were we planning on having a stadium draft? If so, we need to know the details on that too.

[ElHalo]

Why a philosophy of not using speed?


I tend to see baserunning as a low reward, high risk strategy. With a guy like Raines who's stealing at an incredibly great rate, it's a strategy worth pursuing, but overall I'd say that the difference between a guy with good baserunning instincts who doesn't steal a lot versus a guy with good baserunning instincts who does steal a lot at a relatively average percentage (let's call it Paul O'Neill v. Jose Reyes to be NYcentric), I think the difference is marginal at best... maybe two or three runs a season. The CS's are just wayyyyy too big of a negative for the SB's to make up that much ground on.

[ElHalo]

You are right. And now EH has stolen my pick.


By "stolen your pick," do you mean you were planning on taking Maranville? I thought I was the only guy who liked him.

[Wade8813]

I pretty much agree with you about speed, EH. It's generally not worth it. Especially in this league, where so many of the catchers have amazing arms. Every team needs to be able to draw a walk or get a hit no matter what team they're playing against. But stealing against some catchers (Bench, I-Rod, etc) seems far too risky. Having an edge in the hitting department is important no matter what team you're going against, but speed is much less of an advantage against a lot of teams with great catchers.

[Wade8813]

BTW, STBF is up.

[Erik Bedard]

Henderson is my only speed guy in the starting lineup, though Kelly provides some off the bench and I'll be looking to add a defense/speed infielder in the waiver round.

[brett]

By "stolen your pick," do you mean you were planning on taking Maranville? I thought I was the only guy who liked him.

It was a joke. I have at least 3 guys who could play each of 2B, SS, and 3B.

Collins/Molitor/McDougald
Cronin/Appling/McDougald
Molitor/McDougald/Ewing

[brett]

I tend to see baserunning as a low reward, high risk strategy. With a guy like Raines who's stealing at an incredibly great rate, it's a strategy worth pursuing, but overall I'd say that the difference between a guy with good baserunning instincts who doesn't steal a lot versus a guy with good baserunning instincts who does steal a lot at a relatively average percentage (let's call it Paul O'Neill v. Jose Reyes to be NYcentric), I think the difference is marginal at best... maybe two or three runs a season. The CS's are just wayyyyy too big of a negative for the SB's to make up that much ground on.

So its more a baseball philosophy than an evaluation of this league. I agree with that. I think that teams tend to be better stealing less, and saving themselves physically for taking extra bases on hits. I saw in a recent article that the average major leaguer only advances from first to third on a single 40% of the time.

A base"stealer" who goes 40-18 in steal attemps only has about a margin of +5 steals above the break-even point in a normal league. A guy going 70-10 however is about +50.

[brett]

We're almost done with the 25th round. How is the waiver round going to work? Will we just use the current draft order, and snake it back?

Also, were we planning on having a stadium draft? If so, we need to know the details on that too.

I have a couple of question/suggestions.
1) Can we have a short period to discuss trades prior to the waiver round-24 to 48 hours?

2) In the waiver round, when you are up, are you only allowed to drop and replace 1 player, or can you do 2 if you want to?

3) If we get through round 25 and WW is not back, can somebody finish up his draft before the waiver round. The other guys haven't missed more than 2 passes and could be back. We could ask someone else to finish up his draft.

I will draft for him. I don't think I'm making any waiver moves anyway.

Or if people really want to leave his team incomplete thats ok too. Its just a suggestion.

4) After the waiver round, we should set a date for finalizing trades after which rosters are set.

[Wade8813]

STBF is now skipped. CLD is on the clock.

[brett]

By "stolen your pick," do you mean you were planning on taking Maranville? I thought I was the only guy who liked him.


Just for the record, I did consider him. He averaged 13 FRAA/162 at short during that stretch and he is one SS for whom there is no doubt that he could have been the top defensive second baseman in the league as well.

When I found McDougald, I basically stopped looking at other middle infielders though. Again what's wrong with 200+ games at second, short AND third in a 5 year period, and +20 FRAA/162 at both second and short, and +11/162 at third. And a 117 OPS+ which is not far off most of the starting shortstops in this league. For 5-6 years he was a hall of famer.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

How many rounds will we have during the Waver wire and what is the order for the waver round/s?

[ElHalo]

When I found McDougald, I basically stopped looking at other middle infielders though. Again what's wrong with 200+ games at second, short AND third in a 5 year period, and +20 FRAA/162 at both second and short, and +11/162 at third. And a 117 OPS+ which is not far off most of the starting shortstops in this league. For 5-6 years he was a hall of famer.

He was a hell of a player, at lots of positions. Really a very solid guy to have as a backup middle infielder.

Thing is, he had an 8.02 WARP3 average... the guy I didn't take has a 9.63.

[AstrosFan]

I was away from the site the last few days. Have I missed a pick?

[brett]

I was away from the site the last few days. Have I missed a pick?

You missed your round 25 pick.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I had the flu, sorry guys. I'll take Tony Lazzeri, can't decide on the years, and I'm taking suggestions :)

[AstrosFan]

Jim Fregosi 1963-67

[Wade8813]

We still have a lot of missed picks

[brett]

We still have a lot of missed picks

I think we should pick people to complete each of the missing picks for the guys who have been gone at this point, since the draft is done. There's STBF and WW with several picks out. Who else?

[Wade8813]

Leecemark never made his last pick, and PK3 has missed a couple.

[Westlake]

By "stolen your pick," do you mean you were planning on taking Maranville? I thought I was the only guy who liked him.

I've long considered Maranville and Smith the best fielding shortstops ever. I considering taking him where I took Smith, and I knew who you were talking about when you said you'd go to Plan B when I took Ozzie. Great pickup.

[Erik Bedard]

I was looking at Maranville, but I wasn't seriously considering him. There are a couple other shortstops whose value rests primarily in their defense that are slightly better offensively. I'm not sure what route I'll go, but if I end up taking another SS, I won't consider it a huge drop down, provided the two particluar guys I"m aiming for are still around.

[leecemark]

--I'll take Luis Aparicio (1957-61) as my 25th man. A little speed and defense for the end of the bench.

[brett]

Who's up? I'm pretty sure someone got skipped.

[leecemark]

--I think everyone's turn is up by now. Anyone who still doesn't have a 25 man roster should go ahead and fill in the blanks.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Mark had the last pick, we should start sending PMs to those who don't have their 25 man filled. After everyone's roster is filled they will have a week to assess their team then the waiver wire will start. We will also have a thread for people to post what they are looking for, and what they are willing to deal.