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Jake Patterson
12-22-2007, 06:01 PM
I brought this over from another site. I posted it in response to note our responsibilities as distance coaches.

Hi guys,

Thanks for the comments.

I see baseball distance learning a little different than most. As some of you know I have a M.Ed. specializing in Adult Education and Distance Learning.
Whether we embrace it or not distance learning is here to stay and we are truly pioneering a new way to learn/teach the game of baseball. There's enough research available that demonstrates distance learning in general is the fastest growing segment in education. The University of Phoenix for example has nearly 200,000 students worldwide. Most if not all major colleges have some form of distance learning and the progression continues down to the high school and middle school levels.

Athletics and other areas of learning are following suit. I see three categories or better yet – three levels in baseball distance learning.

1. High discussion - limited learning- Open sites with little to no moderation. They attract all kinds of people with varying backgrounds and experience. Little learning occurs because of the widely varying opinions and limited moderation. Discussion policies and guidelines exist, but are seldom enforced. Discussion typically digresses quickly and participants are generally uncomfortable providing personal information.

2. High discussion - moderate learning - No charge open sites that are highly moderated. Varying views and opposing opinions are discussed, but are done so within enforced policies and guidelines. Forumers share a common interest and general expertise is higher. These sites attract the more serious learners and teachers. The participants tend to be more knowledgeable and engaging. Participants here become “forumers” and provide limited but general personal information.

3. Moderate discussion – High Learning - Pay to participate private sites. Forumers are seeking a higher understanding of the game and share a common training/learning belief. Personal information is shared and forumers develop a learning network. Sites are typically specialized i.e. pitching, hitting, catching, etc.

Distance learning’s Achilles heel lays in its openness – anyone can post anything. The responsibility we have as coaches and students of the game is to insure the information that becomes available is reasonable and age appropriate, not always an easy task. Distance learning will continue to evolve as will its impact on the game. As it further develops we must all recognize our responsibility to the game and its students.

jofus13
12-22-2007, 08:42 PM
An observation from a newcomer's perspective....

The chore for those of us like myself, who are trying to learn something, is to filter through all of the posts and posters and figure out which posters have some good knowledge (and intentions) and which posters don't have any more of a clue than we do, but like to talk a good game like they know more than anyone.

Like pretty much every board of this nature, there are probably a few posters here that fall into each category, and probably several that are somewhere in the middle.

For what it's worth, I consider this board to be in category 2+ :)

Jake Patterson
12-22-2007, 09:11 PM
An observation from a newcomer's perspective....

The chore for those of us like myself, who are trying to learn something, is to filter through all of the posts and posters and figure out which posters have some good knowledge (and intentions) and which posters don't have any more of a clue than we do, but like to talk a good game like they know more than anyone.

Like pretty much every board of this nature, there are probably a few posters here that fall into each category, and probably several that are somewhere in the middle.

For what it's worth, I consider this board to be in category 2+ :)
Thank you.. I think...
The responsibility we have as coaches also includes developing reasonable sources of information. Many here are reasonable sources.

Go Cardinals
12-22-2007, 09:42 PM
bbf = category 1
highschool web + englishbey = category q 2
HittingIllustrated = category 3

BBF is category one. It isn't an insult. Its just that there are so many people w/ so many different opinions here. You (jake) don't delete posts because you don't agree w/ them.

jofus13
12-22-2007, 09:44 PM
Oh, you definitely fall in the category of those that know what they are doing, Jake, and that do it for all the right reasons too :)

As do most here, really. I didn't mean to imply that there are several that have no clue, or anything. One thing that I have figured out is that in many cases, people are teaching (coaching, whatever) the same basic principles, but just have a slightly different way of explaining it. Sometimes that difference in approach leads to interesting "debates", but that is probably a good thing as long as no one gets upset, because it may get people to think about their own approach in a slightly different twist....if that makes sense at all.

On a side note, from someone who mods other boards, I greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into your mod duties :clapping

Jake Patterson
12-22-2007, 09:47 PM
bbf = category 1
highschool web + englishbey = category q 2
HittingIllustrated = category 3

BBF is category one. It isn't an insult. Its just that there are so many people w/ so many different opinions here. You (jake) don't delete posts because you don't agree w/ them.

Interesting ... Where would you put a site like Eteamz?

jofus13
12-22-2007, 09:54 PM
Interesting ... Where would you put a site like Eteamz?

about a negative 2? :laugh

Go Cardinals
12-22-2007, 09:55 PM
Interesting ... Where would you put a site like Eteamz?

I've herd of a lot of posts getting deleted over there, so a 2.

They all have there ups and downs. BBf is like the main one imo. People on other forums quote debates that happen here. Its kind of funny. Not saying bbf is the main one in terms of info, but I think its the biggest (most people), and your aloud to speak your mind. Therefore you have so many different opinions and ideas.

Some of the other sites (more private ones) are used as... "argument" sites so to speak. People will posts arguments about a debate that goes on at bbf. Not naming any in particular. There are multiple that do this.

Go Cardinals
12-22-2007, 11:48 PM
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TG Coach
12-23-2007, 08:16 AM
Interesting ... Where would you put a site like Eteamz?

Eteamz is a LL/preteen ball site. At that level it's more important to learn the mental and emotional side of coaching the game. In the 7-12 age group a lot of kids will stay in or leave the game based on how they are treated. What Eteamz does offer is a lot of LL lifer posters. While I question the baseball acumen of many of them and their view of LL on the top of the mountain, their intentions for the kids are great. For the benefit of those familar with the site, every LL should have a Frank. I would not go to Eteamz for hitting advice compared to what is available on other sites.

Jofus has it right. A reader has to sift through threads and figure out what is education for him personally. Some posters are trying to prove how many hitting "big words" they know. Others try to make hitting as simple as possible. Some are trying to impress each other. Some are trying to teach the game. What works for each reader is based on his ability to break down the information. This would be regardless of the name of the board.

wogdoggy
12-23-2007, 08:33 AM
bbf = category 1
highschool web + englishbey = category q 2
HittingIllustrated = category 3

BBF is category one. It isn't an insult. Its just that there are so many people w/ so many different opinions here. You (jake) don't delete posts because you don't agree w/ them.



BECAUSE bbf lets in many opinions that in it self makes it a better board..you can get both sides here..A board like this or HSBW lets most all discussion happen which is very important..even though jake may agree with a certain style he lets both sides state their case,Just as coach B25 does on a similar board.That makes it better.I'm sure at times you may get some great learning opportunities on other sites too ,dont get me wrong.,this board lets both the reublicans and democrats speak