Yankee Stadium Pre-Renovation

[RichardLillard1]

If I ever built my take on Yankee Stadium it would be this design - that never was.


Let me know when that model goes up for sale!

[Elvis]

This thread should be stickied!

:hp

[RichardLillard1]

The '37 picture was taken during a game with a packed house, can't remember the date though.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/ys1937I.jpg

I just took another look at this photo and I would think that its got to be a "ceremony" game of sosme kind. Something like openeing day, fourth of July or even the start of the World Series.

Guesses anyone?


This thread should be stickied! I completely agree with Elvis.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

http://photos.imageevent.com/tkd7/sportscards/miscellaneous/huge/img289.jpg

All three photos are from the book "Summer is the City New York Baseball 1947-1957" Photographs from the Daily News Archives. I recommend it to any fan. The photos from Ebbets Field are amazing.

http://images.barnesandnoble.com/images/7130000/7132843.jpg


I have this one, among my favorites... loaded with lots of Pictures from that great era in NY.City baseball, Yanks, Giants and Dodgers.

[TJH1923]

Elvis -

I beleive this picture is from the year they started the renovation perhaps a year before. Its a view from the pressbox though and it looks wide open to me. To my knowledge there was no major changes done like that untill she was gutted. Although I don't know anything about when (or what) that box hanging from the right field upper deck is or when it was added.

Richard

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/oldyankeestadium06.jpg

That Box hanging off of the right field upper deck was used for college and pro football. That would have been somewhere around the 40 or 50 yard line. The right field upper deck and bleachers were some of the best seats for football.

[csh19792001]

It says 457 FT.

That's what I thought, and I thought "that doesn't make any sense, then." Doesn't that look like the right field corner though? I mean, look at the picture.

Then I remebered a lot of old pictures were reversed (inverted?). Had something to do with the photographic technology of the time. I know nothing about photography, though.

In any case, gorgeous pics! Thanks for sharing!!

[TJH1923]

I have some more photos to share of that grand old ballpark.

I have a question that I hope someone out there can answer. I have attempted to research the reason with negative results.

If you notice in the picture, thr right and leftfield stands are not covered by the extension of the oramental frieze. I will also provide an example in the next post. The latest pictures I see the ornamental frieze is 1961. I would like to know why it was removed?

[TJH1923]

The side of the upper and loge decks are what I am seeking info on.

[TJH1923]

Another example.

[TJH1923]

That's what I thought, and I thought "that doesn't make any sense, then." Doesn't that look like the right field corner though? I mean, look at the picture.

Then I remebered a lot of old pictures were reversed (inverted?). Had something to do with the photographic technology of the time. I know nothing about photography, though.

In any case, gorgeous pics! Thanks for sharing!!

I think you have the centerfield flag pole confused with a foul pole. The picture is correct. You are looking from the right field upper deck toward left center field. It is a nice photo.

[TJH1923]

If I ever built my take on Yankee Stadium it would be this design - that never was.

I just hope they make changes to the proposed stadium like they did to the original stadium. That would make for a nice surprise.

[Elvis]

I have a question that I hope someone out there can answer. I have attempted to research the reason with negative results.

If you notice in the picture, thr right and leftfield stands are not covered by the extension of the oramental frieze. I will also provide an example in the next post. The latest pictures I see the ornamental frieze is 1961. I would like to know why it was removed?



My question is when was it added? It wasn't on yet the early photos I've seen.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Here is newsreel footage of the Ruth/Johnson exhibition

http://www.memorylaneinc.com/lot/lot1/lot1storymain.html

Great stuff, first time I've see that one.

[TJH1923]

My question is when was it added? It wasn't on yet the early photos I've seen.

It was added in 1928 when the left field loge and upper deck was extended. It was added to the 1937 extension of right field.

[TJH1923]

This photo was taken by Osbourne Engineering sometime after the completion of the left field loge and upper deck.

[RichardLillard1]

Hello everyone -

I am in the process of dating all my ballpark pictures right now. Hard to do as I have to go through each picture that doesn't have a date and find where I got it so that I can go back and properly date it.

Of all the pictures I have there were two things changed for (as early as) the '61 season. The decorative ends of the grandstand were removed and the main scoreboard was completely changed. All the pictures I have of '61 through to '73 show a completely different scoreboard and even more notably the clock on top of it.

From what I can tell the clock on the scoreboard was changed in 1945-46 during the refit and then again before the '61 season. Please keep in mind though that I cannot confirm this as I am not done dating my photo collection.

I think it is a good asumption to think that the scoreboard/clock and the ornamental ends of the stands are related matters.

Does anyone know if the Bronx keeps, or would have records of the detailed updates and blueprints of Yankee Stadium through the years? I would hate to think they were lost to time but at the same time it wouldn't suprise me a whole lot.

Richard

[RichardLillard1]

That Box hanging off of the right field upper deck was used for college and pro football. That would have been somewhere around the 40 or 50 yard line. The right field upper deck and bleachers were some of the best seats for football.

Of course! I often forget about the many football games held there. They put the same box hanging from the upper deck along the third base line.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/nyybw.jpg

[bobw357]

Here is a picture of the right field radio booth from a 1973 Steelers-Giants exhibition game. Marv Albert is second from the left.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img098a.jpg

[TJH1923]

Great Photo

[TJH1923]

Some Football Pics

[TJH1923]

Back in the day:

[TJH1923]

Of all the pictures I have there were two things changed for (as early as) the '61 season. The decorative ends of the grandstand were removed and the main scoreboard was completely changed. All the pictures I have of '61 through to '73 show a completely different scoreboard and even more notably the clock on top of it.


Richard

I believe the scoreboard was replaced in 1959. The replaced scoreboard was either sold or given to the Philadelphia Phillies and they erected it in Shibe Park.
From Ballparks.com: Old Yankee Stadium scoreboard installed in front of the right-center wall in 1956.
http://www.philadelphiaathletics.org/history/shibeparkscorecard.htm

[TJH1923]

Hello everyone -

I am in the process of dating all my ballpark pictures right now. Hard to do as I have to go through each picture that doesn't have a date and find where I got it so that I can go back and properly date it.


Richard

Hey Rich,
I hope you post some new material.:)

[bobw357]

Yankee Stadium Opening Day 1959 and Shibe Park mid-1960s

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img150a.jpghttp://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/10269891-Oa.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

Great finds everyone! The scoreboard shot on opening day in '59 still shows the old style clock and board but the selling to Shibe Park is a great piece of information.


I have photos I will be putting up in a little while I just found some more online and I will be sure to put them up.

Keep up the outstanding work!

[RichardLillard1]

April of 1948 in the Bronx.

[RichardLillard1]

I beleive this is just after they finished the extention around the left field pole. A great postcard.

[RichardLillard1]

Mickey Mantle Day 8 June, 1969

[RichardLillard1]

Don Larsen on the rubber shortly after his perfect game. They are preparing for the Giants NFL season in 1956.

[RichardLillard1]

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[RichardLillard1]

1932 in the Bronx I beleive this was made either into a painting or a post card.

[RichardLillard1]

Cigarette ad from the '36 series. Menthol... yuck. :laugh

[RichardLillard1]

1939 All Star Game - packed house.

[RichardLillard1]

The Great Bambino taking a few practice swings at Yankee Stadium in the 40's This one might be tied in with the Ruth vs. Johnson pics.

[RichardLillard1]

The caption says it all.

[RichardLillard1]

The close quarters of rivals. Polo Ground and Yankee Stadium.

[RichardLillard1]

A followup to the Larsen opening pitch photo. The scoreboard sums things up nicely.

[RichardLillard1]

The site I found this on says '58 as the year. I find this unlikely given the scoreboard and clock.

[RichardLillard1]

Program for the '62 Series. I beleive they lost this one.

[RichardLillard1]

Great piece of art. Safe or out?

[RichardLillard1]

Some type of ceremony. My guess is opening day or the Series. Unsure of the year.

[RichardLillard1]

The view from above.

[RichardLillard1]

Frank Gifford football at Yankee Stadium.

[RichardLillard1]

There was a storage bunker under second base untill the renovation because of boxing matches such as this.

[RichardLillard1]

A Yankee Stadium ticket booth. I would love one of these.

[bobw357]

The site I found this on says '58 as the year. I find this unlikely given the scoreboard and clock.
Your photo is from an early 1960's Old Timers Day. The banners are hanging from the facade and the players all have different uniforms. I have a color photo in my collection that was taken the same day and everything on the scoreboard in your photo matches to what is on mine down to the "Revised Yankee Yearbook On Sale Here At Souvenier Stands" as the message on the scoreboard.
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img135a.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img135b.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

Thanks for the help Bob. It certainly explains why I saw so many Yankees on the field and in varying uniforms.

[RichardLillard1]

Babe pitching the Yanks to a win and proving that even in 1933 he still has the arm.

[RichardLillard1]

The famous award winning photo of the number 3 bowing out.

[RichardLillard1]

Another of Ruth speaking to the masses. Frail and weak this is the last time he would be in a Yankee uniform. Mel Allen is at the Babe's left while Ford Frick looks on from behind him. The bat he is holding is Cleveland Indian's pitcher Bob Feller's. Sad to think that the once mighty home run king was so weak he need to have a bat to help him stand.

[TJH1923]

I have a question that I hope someone out there can answer. I have attempted to research the reason with negative results.

If you notice in the picture, thr right and leftfield stands are not covered by the extension of the oramental frieze. I will also provide an example in the next post. The latest pictures I see the ornamental frieze is 1961. I would like to know why it was removed?


By any chance, did anyone find any info.

[TJH1923]

The ornamental decoration on the upper deck and loge is what I am referring to.

[RichardLillard1]

TJH I haven't been able to find any information as to why or exactly when they were removed.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Another of Ruth speaking to the masses. Frail and weak this is the last time he would be in a Yankee uniform. Mel Allen is at the Babe's left while Ford Frick looks on from behind him. The bat he is holding is Cleveland Indian's pitcher Bob Feller's. Sad to think that the once mighty home run king was so weak he need to have a bat to help him stand.
How true but it displayed an inner strength he had, even in his last days.
So weak on that day, needed help getting dressed, putting on the uniform. So weak and ill that he was offered a wheel chair to use to spare him that walk, that long walk in his condition from the dugout to the diamond. He chose to walk out there using as a cane the very tool that brought him all that fame.
Frail and ill as he was, can't imagine how difficult it was for him, I'm glad that lasting image of him near his last days of his life in his house was standing not in a wheel chair.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

This article appeared in a number of the bigger newspapers in April of 1923.
The article went on to say that the stadium should have been named "Ruth's Temple" since it's only existence, it's use would be a place of worship of the Babe by fans who idolize him. Also stated, there is no reason, no demand for it and..... there will be small use for it compared to it's cost.

They were off, way off, small use for it. All those great Yankee teams drawing hugh crowds.... two Joe Louis Max Schmeling bouts and many other hugh boxing events....the site of the Notre Dame, Army game... you guessed it, that was the "Win one for the Gipper" Knute Rockne speach.... Pope Paul visit in the 1960s.... just to mention a small number of events in the big park.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

To my knowledge, as far as I know Yankee Stadium was the only baseball stadium with an officially sanctioned running track built in.

Between the playing field and the stands was a 4 foot wide 400 yard long running track. The track was measured and appoved by the AAU and any records set on the track would be official.

[Elvis]

To my knowledge, as far as I know Yankee Stadium was the only baseball stadium with an officially sanctioned running track built in.

Between the playing field and the stands was a 4 foot wide 400 yard long running track. The track was measured and appoved by the AAU and any records set on the track would be official.

Olympic Stadium hd an official track too, although it wasn't strictly a baseball stadium.

[RichardLillard1]

I have read that they also used it for cycling races as well.

Must have been interesting to see.

[RichardLillard1]

This article appeared in a number of the bigger newspapers in April of 1923.
The article went on to say that the stadium should have been named "Ruth's Temple" since it's only existence, it's use would be a place of worship of the Babe by fans who idolize him. Also stated, there is no reason, no demand for it and..... there will be small use for it compared to it's cost.

They were off, way off, small use for it. All those great Yankee teams drawing hugh crowds.... two Joe Louis Max Schmeling bouts and many other hugh boxing events....the site of the Notre Dame, Army game... you guessed it, that was the "Win one for the Gipper" Knute Rockne speach.... Pope Paul visit in the 1960s.... just to mention a small number of events in the big park.


Boy was that guy way off.

Yankee Stadium was way ahead of its time though. And given the amount of historical things that have taken place there its a shame that money is actually what's bringing it down.

You really wanna talk about something not being worth itself the new stadium will be just that.

[RichardLillard1]

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[RichardLillard1]

An interesting shot. Seeing the place like this slightly reminds me of Turner Field, only better sight lines and less generic. But I'm sure you get the idea. :p

[tkd7]

Richard,
That is a great shot. I've never seen a view of the running track like that one. Thanks for posting.
Tom

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Hmm... Seeing that shot makes me wonder: Was the reason for the asymmetry of the outfield fence because of the running track? Did they want to squeeze in the track, and this was the only way they could do it? Or is there another reason out there for the OF dimensions being the way they are (and I'm not talking about the short porch in right :laugh)?

[RichardLillard1]

The knew the Bronx courthouse would be there in ten years and it would be an iconic view from inside the park. :laugh


The Yankee ballclub bought a five sided piece of land that was in the same general shape as a triangle. Given the way this piece of land was set up they had three ways to put a ballpark on it without making some type of weird design.

Of these three choices only two were logical. An entrance on 161st or one on the south west corner of the property where it currently is.

I am sure they would have gone with an entrance on 161st save for one small problem. There was a florist there and this meant working around it.

So it was moved to its current location. This could also have had something to do with the cheapest seats in the house then being right next to the noisy train as it went by.

Attatched is a photo from the White Construction Company dated 19 September, 1922. From the L-train platform looking at the Florist and out at the Stadium as worked progressed.

[TJH1923]

From the L-train platform looking at the Florist and out at the Stadium as worked progressed.

The #4 IRT platform of the "el" or "L" elevated subway. (the future Yankee Stadium stop)

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I can't really tell the orientation from here. Would the stands that are erected be the 1st base line?

[Elvis]

I can't really tell the orientation from here. Would the stands that are erected be the 1st base line?

Nope, third. You're looking from center field in towards home plate.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Ohhhh... Okay. I kinda thought that the bleachers over on the left were the CF bleachers. But this makes more sense.

[RichardLillard1]

It was taken about where the words "Yankee Stadium" are in the picture below. As the very crude arrow in pink shows, the construction started at one end of the grandstand and continued around to the other side.

This drawing also shows that when Yankee Stadium first opened it was more of an equal playing field much like the Polo Grounds was. It was the same distance to each foul pole but the problem cam from right field where there was a "bloody angle" as it came to be known. Ball would bounce around in there causing trouble for virtually any right fielder.

Home plate was moved forward some 13 feet or so the next season to make things easier and thus putting the dish at its final resting place until 1973.

http://andrewclem.com/Baseball/YankeeStadium.html

[TJH1923]

The "bloody angle" in right field was certainly an interesting quirk in the 1923 version of the stadium. I also find it interesting where the left field stands end in the vicinity of where the eventual visitors bullpen would be (1937-1973) and then the wall goes all the way back to the bleachers. I wonder if any balls ever cleared that corner of the stands. A batted ball would certainly bounce around in there almost guaranteeing at least a triple. That particular feature lasted until 1937. Did that quirk have a name? Are there any notable stories regarding that peculiar nook?

[RichardLillard1]

Actually Mr. Clem's diagram is a little incorrect in that reguard. There was a path of sosme sort coming out from the visitor's bullpen. Refer to post #348 of mine with the arial picture of the Stadium and you can see the path. I don't know if this made a difference at all and I am still researching that.

However even at that it leaves a good angle there.

At the same time that was around 450+ feet away from the dish. Not many players had that kind of power back then (at least not as many as could have hit twards the horrible spot in right). The "bloody angle" was merely around 260 feet away from home plate at its closest spot and thus I am sure more things would have happened there.

[RichardLillard1]

I keep running into obstacles with all my Yankee Stadium research becuase photos can only tell so much (around a thousand words).

Is there anyone who lives in or near New York who would be willing to do a small favor for me? I need someone to check into if the Bronx has blueprints of Yankee Stadium or if the city of New York does. If anyone can help me with this please pm me. Thanks.

[KeyMan7]

I've been here all the while checking the picture out, and reading the posts ...great stuff! Didn't want you guys to think I left you. the DYNAMIC "roll over" DIAGRAM on Clems page is interesting to check out. I sponsored the page. He has other Stadiums for those who are interested.

In the old Stadium they had the Yankee Hall Of Fame under the bleachers. You had to enter through the Yankees bullpen. A great thing to do when you are a kid. Do you guys have any info on that? I'm going to do a stadium tour this year. I wonder if it's still there?

Talking of the bleachers the bleacher pictures posted by tkd7 are great. All those Hats! I have to pick up that book.

Richard, I live in New York but I don't think George will let me have a look at the blueprints. What do you need? Maybe when I do the tour? - Steven

[TJH1923]

Actually Mr. Clem's diagram is a little incorrect in that reguard. There was a path of sosme sort coming out from the visitor's bullpen. Refer to post #348 of mine with the arial picture of the Stadium and you can see the path. I don't know if this made a difference at all and I am still researching that.

However even at that it leaves a good angle there.

At the same time that was around 450+ feet away from the dish. Not many players had that kind of power back then (at least not as many as could have hit tweeds the horrible spot in right). The "bloody angle" was merely around 260 feet away from home plate at its closest spot and thus I am sure more things would have happened there.

Rich you are right. There is a path from the bullpen, but it was in play as were the other paths that are visible. From the corner of the stands to the bleacher wall was all in play. Remember, a large amount of fans would leave the Stadium by walking across the field and out one of the several exits. Thats why they had paths so the grass would not get that messed up. Most fans were going to the #4 train or the D train. A lot of fans still did not own cars yet.

You are exactly right in your earlier post regarding the view from the florist. That is definitely looking from left center. I've been on that platform many a time. I used to go there and watch the progress of the renovation when I was younger. It was awesome and sad to watch it as it evolved from the old stadium to the new (renovated) stadium. I was lucky enough to attend the last game in '73 as well as the first game in '76. I look forward to going there soon and walking to the other end of the platform to view the construction of the new ballpark.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

The "bloody angle" in right field was certainly an interesting quirk in the 1923 version of the stadium. I also find it interesting where the left field stands end in the vicinity of where the eventual visitors bullpen would be (1937-1973) and then the wall goes all the way back to the bleachers. I wonder if any balls ever cleared that corner of the stands. A batted ball would certainly bounce around in there almost guaranteeing at least a triple. That particular feature lasted until 1937. Did that quirk have a name? Are there any notable stories regarding that peculiar nook?
I doubt any balls were ever hit over the grandstand. Have done much research in the news archives on some of the long drives at the stadium during the early years.

As for a name I know of none. I would guess that had the "bloody angle" been around for more years it would have picked up some names.

Most may already be aware that the entire field was swung to the right after the 1923 season and the bloody angle was now in foul territory.

This field shift to the right gave spectators on the third and first base side a better view of home plate.

[RichardLillard1]

Steven -

I am referring to seeing if any New York libraries or if the Bronx or New York City Hall has copies of the original builder's plans from Osbourn Engineering circa 1921 or 1922.

They make a poster version of some of the said plans but it is of little value for what I would like to study. This can be seen in the ebay link below.

The main problem with looking for the original plans is that I have no idea where to look for them. Osbourn is possibly long gone but if they aren't I cannot find anything about them on the net. It would be nice if they were as they designed the final version of the Polo Grounds another favorite park of mine. I am also unable to find anything on White Construction either.


http://cgi.ebay.com/1923-NEW-YORK-YANKEE-STADIUM-BLUEPRINT-EXACT-COPY-RARE_W0QQitemZ170066025392QQihZ007QQcategoryZ37608 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[TJH1923]

I doubt any balls were ever hit over the grandstand. Have done much research in the news archives on some of the long drives at the stadium during the early years.

As for a name I know of none. I would guess that had the "bloody angle" been around for more years it would have picked up some names.

Most may already be aware that the entire field was swung to the right after the 1923 season and the bloody angle was now in foul territory.

This field shift to the right gave spectators on the third and first base side a better view of home plate.

Jimmy Fox and Hank Greenberg are two that come to mind. Even Joe Dimaggio played the '36 season with those dimensions. That part of left field was 402ft. once the loge and upper deck were extended. It stayed that way until '73. Prior to that extension, it was 395ft. Left center then shoots out to 460ft. At the very least a line drive would have slipped into that area, especially the way the bleacher wall was angled.

[TJH1923]

Steven -

I am referring to seeing if any New York libraries or if the Bronx or New York City Hall has copies of the original builder's plans from Osbourn Engineering circa 1921 or 1922.

They make a poster version of some of the said plans but it is of little value for what I would like to study. This can be seen in the ebay link below.

The main problem with looking for the original plans is that I have no idea where to look for them. Osbourn is possibly long gone but if they aren't I cannot find anything about them on the net. It would be nice if they were as they designed the final version of the Polo Grounds another favorite park of mine. I am also unable to find anything on White Construction either.


http://cgi.ebay.com/1923-NEW-YORK-YANKEE-STADIUM-BLUEPRINT-EXACT-COPY-RARE_W0QQitemZ170066025392QQihZ007QQcategoryZ37608 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Google Osborn Engineering they still exist.

[RichardLillard1]

Yeah, I noticed earlier that I have been spelling it wrong. I read in a book that it was spelled "Osbourne" for some reason even though I have read it correctly spelled as Osborn many times it stayed in my mind as the spelling.

I am emailing them to talk about getting the builder's plans for the Stadium tonight. Hopefully I can get a set as there are a few different things I would like to use them for.

[tkd7]

Richard,
Good luck in finding the drawings. That would be an amazing find.
Tom

[brooklyndodger14]

In the old Stadium they had the Yankee Hall Of Fame under the bleachers. You had to enter through the Yankees bullpen. A great thing to do when you are a kid. Do you guys have any info on that? I'm going to do a stadium tour this year. I wonder if it's still there?



Happy New Year 2007 to one and all!

Steven, The Yankees Hall of Fame that you are referring to existed after the 1966-67 refurbishing that turned the Stadium white and royal blue. It was actually located to the right as you enter Gate 6 (the right field Main Entrance closest to the elevated subway tracks), just past a concession stand, but ended before you would reach the grandstand wall that edged the Yankee bullpen heading toward the bleachers.

It was officially noted in the 1967 Yankee Yearbook (in the color center fold) as the "novel, telephonic Hall of Fame" in the words of PR Director Robert Fischel, who wrote almost all of the text in both the yearbooks and scorecards at the time.

The area was comprised of several individual backlit enlargements of Yankee greats and memorable moments. A brief summary above each picture would describe the player and his key Yankee accomplishments, (Hall of Famers would be distinguished with a blue star next to their names).

Beneath each picture was a cone-shaped earpiece on a phone hook that would allow the listener to hear something of the players depicted in their own voices... I kind of remember almost a couple of dozen of displays: Stengel, Berra, Dickey, Rolfe, Gomez, Rizzuto, Ford, Ruth, Dimaggio, and on and on.

In addition, there were historical moments such as Ruth & Gehrig's farewells, Larsen's perfect game, Mantle's 500th homer (an exciting in-season addition as that occured in May, the 2nd month of the Hall's debut), Mickey Mantle Day in 1965.. and some playing tips from a few of the current Yanks of the time.

The telephonic Hall of Fame lasted until the final "Old Stadium" game of September 30, 1973. It was briefly considered for re-opening during the 1976 "New Stadium" debut located where the Yankee Clubhouse store is to the left as you enter Gate 6. It never did get revived, and by the 1978 season, it became a souvenir stand.

If anyone has their 1968 Yankee Yearbook, you will see a brief picture feature of the Hall of Fame found toward the back of the yearbook...

I will scan and post those pix when I unearth my copy.

Even though I speak of these details without any documentation (except for the forthcoming 68 Yearbook pix), I was a Stadium vendor from 1971 until 1983, and after our work assignments were given and the gates opened to the fans, I had lots of time to wander about the ballpark until about a half hour before the start of the game when we would start selling.

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[KeyMan7]

Happy New Year 2007 to one and all!

Steven, The Yankees Hall of Fame that you are referring to existed after the 1966-67 refurbishing that turned the Stadium white and royal blue. It was actually located to the right as you enter Gate 6 (the right field Main Entrance closest to the elevated subway tracks), just past a concession stand, but ended before you would reach the grandstand wall that edged the Yankee bullpen heading toward the bleachers...............I was a Stadium vendor from 1971 until 1983, and after our work assignments were given and the gates opened to the fans, I had lots of time to wander about the ballpark until about a half hour before the start of the game when we would start selling.

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

Hello Dennis,

Great info! I don't know why I remember walking through the bullpen? Maybe a door was open.....? But either way you brought back a lot of faded memories. I don't have any yearbooks handy if you get a scan I would love to see a picture. I have a bunch of scorecards from that era I'll have to check them out too.

I can't believe all the times I was at "The Stadium" as a kid, I never took any pictures. Noted games Mickey Mantle Day 1965, June 8, 1969, and the last game in 1973. My friend, and I ran on to the field after the game with everyone else. He went straight for the drain that Mantle tripped on, and was quickly cut off by security. I headed for the monuments just to put a hand on it. I spent the rest of the time looking around and gawking.

I went into the service shortly after the 1973 season, and missed the rebuilding of "The Stadium" and the chance to get some Stadium seats at a good price. Korvettes had a sale on them, and I lived about a mile away. You would think My brother or Father would have picked them up for me. (Met Fans) I had to wait years later to get my hands on a set. Working at "The Stadium" were you able to take anything with you?

Back to The Stadium.... Moving the fences in, removing the monuments from the field, and taking away the facade took the heart , and soul out of The Stadium. I sat behind a pole, and loved every minute of it. If you never saw the old Stadium in person, you never experienced seeing the breath taking Left Center Field (Death Valley) it was an awesome sight. When I took my son years later to Yankee Stadium I could no longer show him where Mickey Mantle hit the home run that hit the facade, where Bobby Murcer chased a ball through the monuments, and "Death Valley" was reduced to the "Wall that Winfield built." Bringing in the fence a second time after the renovation to accommodate Dave.

With the new Stadium being built now I'm not as angry as I was in 1976. In my eyes Yankee Stadium was destroyed 30 years ago. BRING BACK THE POLES!

Dennis, thanks for the info, and everyone have a Happy New Year! -Steven

http://keymancollectibles.com/advertising/images/wpeAB.jpg

[brooklyndodger14]

[QUOTE=KeyMan7]Hello Dennis,

I don't know why I remember walking through the bullpen? Maybe a door was open.....? But either way you brought back a lot of faded memories.

[QUOTE]

Thanks for your kind words. I imagine that you exited onto the street once you had finished visiting the Hall of Fame either through the bullpen street gate itself, or after crossing the bullpen to exit via the Bleacher gates.

I know that during gametime, a cop would only allow vendors, ushers, and team personnel to cross the bullpen. It was cool to see the relievers of that time close-up: Fred Beene, Sparky Lyle, Lindy McDaniell, Jack Aker, and others firing the pill to the catchers with full force for about 10 pitches and then take a brief spell as we mortals were allowed to cross btwn bleachers and grandstand...

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[KeyMan7]

Happy New Year 2007 to one and all!

Steven, The Yankees Hall of Fame that you are referring to existed after the 1966-67 refurbishing .........It was officially noted in the 1967 Yankee Yearbook (in the color center fold) .....
Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

Dennis - I found this in a 1967 Scorecard. Visiting that day was Mrs. Ruth. I also found a reference to the Yankee Autograph room. First time I have heard of that. It notes one of the many popular innovations of the 1967 season weekly autograph sessions each Saturday.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeehof.jpg

[spiderico]

I've seen this picture many times, but have never seen an explanation of why the left field bleachers were empty on opening day '76 after the renovations. Was it just that they were not yet completed?

[tkd7]

I've seen this picture many times, but have never seen an explanation of why the left field bleachers were empty on opening day '76 after the renovations. Was it just that they were not yet completed?

I don't see any of the blue bench seats there, so maybe they weren't finished.

[brooklyndodger14]

I don't see any of the blue bench seats there, so maybe they weren't finished.


The LF bleachers were not installed until just about the Playoffs in 1976. That was where all the vendors were corralled until the assignments were given. I guess they figured we'd do less damage out there, LOL

ADDENDUM: On further thought, I think they might have been fully installed in time for the Ali-Norton fight that took place Tuesday, September 28th, 1976. After all, to use a Steinbrenner-ism, "fannies in the seats" translates into $$$$.....

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[Philmore]

Hey all,

Here's an interesting question. Though countless books refer to the frieze adorning the upper decks of the old stadium as being copper, do we know if they ever DIDN'T have that greenish patina?

Obviously, we can tell that in the 40s and 50s, it had that lovely light green color, and was then painted white in the 60s, but what about the mid 20s?? I had always wondered if it was ever that lovely copper color in the first couple of years of its life, and then maybe developed the patina over time...

Any thoughts?

[Elvis]

Hey all,

Here's an interesting question. Though countless books refer to the frieze adorning the upper decks of the old stadium as being copper, do we know if they ever DIDN'T have that greenish patina?

Obviously, we can tell that in the 40s and 50s, it had that lovely light green color, and was then painted white in the 60s, but what about the mid 20s?? I had always wondered if it was ever that lovely copper color in the first couple of years of its life, and then maybe developed the patina over time...

Any thoughts?

Excellent question. I've wondered the same thing. I understand the Statue of Liberty was indeed copper-colored until it weathered.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

Excellent question. I've wondered the same thing. I understand the Statue of Liberty was indeed copper-colored until it weathered.Strange to think... When was colour photography invented? What is the first recorded colour shot of Yankee Stadium?

[Elvis]

Strange to think... When was colour photography invented? What is the first recorded colour shot of Yankee Stadium?

Color film, even color movie film, has been around since the 1920s. But until the late 30s it was so expensive to process that it was rarely used.

As far as your question I have no idea. By WWII color home movie cameras were available and more or less affordable, so probably around that time I guess. When it was a Game has some cool color shots of Yankee Stadium in the late 30s and 40s.

[Philmore]

I actually have a bit of color footage from the stadium from 1939, and the facade is indeed green. I think one would be a bit hard-pressed to find color shots that date back eariler though, as Elvis is correct about the expense of it all.

It does seem, however, that the frieze looks darker in value in the mid 20s, and perhaps my mind is playing tricks on me, but I think it was indeed copper. Of course, it's hard to imagine it since we're so used to the usual green...

I just know I'll need to get it right when I paint the stadium from that era :)

[brooklyndodger14]

Hey all,

Here's an interesting question. Though countless books refer to the frieze adorning the upper decks of the old stadium as being copper, do we know if they ever DIDN'T have that greenish patina?

Obviously, we can tell that in the 40s and 50s, it had that lovely light green color, and was then painted white in the 60s, but what about the mid 20s?? I had always wondered if it was ever that lovely copper color in the first couple of years of its life, and then maybe developed the patina over time...

Any thoughts?


I remember that someone in print back in 1976 remininced about visiting the Stadium as a child in the 20's and how the facade shined "like a copper penny."

For years, it seemed that the fate of the facade upon demolition in 1973 was that it was melted down to become pipes for plumbing or something like that (I believe I read that in an April 1976 edition of New York Magazine featuring the 1976 re-opening).

A recent quote I saw (and I can't recall from where, yet) from a worker involved in the Stadium demolition said the facade was actually made of a cheaper material known as "turned metal" and that he had a good laugh about how everyone thought that the entire facade was of considerable monetary value but was in reality, worthless. (EDIT: I believe the "turned metal" quote is in the book "A Diamond in the Bronx"- Dennis)

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[Philmore]

Dennis,

That was exactly the kind of 'smoking gun' I was looking for. I have looked everywhere for accounts of the new stadium, but everywhere I go, it's no more elaborate than a reference to the copper frieze. I did a little research last night (albeit rather juvenile) and found this interesting website regarding copper weathervanes:

http://www.skyartstudio.com/copper-patina-chart.php

Maybe the frieze had a similar lifespan, and it became that lovely green in the early 30s?

[RichardLillard1]

This has been a question that has had me stumped for a long time now. A big part of me says that it might have been real copper because of the photos I have seen of it.

However there are also some confusing things to note about it. Many pieces of art that I have seen depict the frieze as being either painted white or the same color as the rest of the stadium. As far as the pictures that we have to go on they tell an interesting story.

First off is a construction photo that shows a section of the grandstand just as it was completed. The interesting thing to note here is that the frieze appears to be the same color if not slightly lighter in color than the rest of the painted structure. If the stadium was pained to match weathering or weathered copper then this is understandable and it is the main basis for my theory about the frieze itself.

Next up are pictures of the grandstand in 1943 and '49 respectively. Note that the frieze is much darker in the more recently constructed sections but the painted structure is the same color. This is interesting because as early as 1947 (during a picture I have of the WS that year) the left field frieze is already very close to the same color as the rest of the stadium. My best guess would be that the stadium originally matched the color of the weathered copper and when new sections were added the copper took time to get to the same color as the paint and original copper.

Lastly is a painting that is probably been poorly researched (as stated above).

Just a guess but let me know what you guys think.

Richard

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/UprFascadeBhnd2BaseLg.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/30834-002.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/30834-026.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/YSI_YankeeStadiumIronman.jpg

[TJH1923]

A recent quote I saw (and I can't recall from where, yet) from a worker involved in the Stadium demolition said the facade was actually made of a cheaper material known as "turned metal" and that he had a good laugh about how everyone thought that the entire facade was of considerable monetary value but was in reality, worthless. (EDIT: I believe the "turned metal" quote is in the book "A Diamond in the Bronx"- Dennis)

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

Dennis, I also read a similar quote. If the facade was all copper, according to the patina chart, it would have been a darker green in the early 30's. It never got that dark. Once you factor in the environmental and pollution exposure over the years, that could explain the "coloring" of the facade. There also would have been a visible difference when the grandstand was extended in 1928 and 1937. I will look high and low for that quote.

[Philmore]

Richard,

Nice photos, indeed! The William Feldman painting is a bit wrong (which is definitely tough for me to say, being that he's a fellow brother of Bill Goff's crew). I know of the reference photos from which he did this painting, and that the values (range of light to dark) of the frieze are very close to what's in the photograph. However, they certainly wouldn't be as light and white from that era, as we can see the frieze being much darker in other color pictures from th 1940s.

But, you do pose an interesting find in that first image. I think I may have an answer (or at least an educated guess). I believe that the only reasoning for such a seemingly light value has to do with the reflective qualities of the "metal". At that angle, on such an overcast day (which you can tell it is because of the sky and vague shadows), it's safe to say that a copper frieze sans patina would have reflected a fair amount of light from the sky, and in turn look a lot lighter. You'll notice that once the patina on copper forms on any object, it's no longer as reflective (or even remotely reflective, due to the oxidization). I have a few shots of the stadium from 1926, in which taken from a different angle, the frieze does indeed seem to be quite dark. Once I get home, I'll be happy to post it. Sometimes I forget that the quality of light, time of day, and even photographic limitations must be taken into account when talking about this stuff.

By the time of the other two pictures (the 43 WS, and the 49 season), the frieze had changed entirely. It's safe to say that it was still a semi-deepish green in the early 40s, and because of color evidence became that lighter, pastel green towards the end of the decade. If memory serves me correctly, the stadium's seats were painted similar pastel colors in 1947-8 - perhaps to better match the final stages of the frieze's patina??

This is all just stream of conscious though, I could be completely wrong on everything (which happens often!).

Man, this stuff is interesting...

[Elvis]

I'm sure most have seen these pages,but for those who haven't...

http://www.yankeephotos.com/ViewPhotos.php?pageNum_rsViewProduct=1&totalRows_rsViewProduct=30

[TJH1923]

At the very least, they should put monuments back on the field of play in the new stadium.

[TJH1923]

BrooklynDodger14, Dennis check your inbox.

[Mattingly85MVP]

What did the construction workers actually do with the original facade when they dismantled the upper deck...I always wondered if they were ever saved or they just went off to the scrap heap. I couldn't imagine that they would just throw them away, or recycle all of the facade. I haven't seen anything on the internet or otherwise that would indicate that some of the original facade still exists somewhere. Does anyone know for sure what happened?
PS- Does anyone have color pictures of the old stadium from behind home plate, either in the upper or lower deck, like a panoramic shot, I've been searching everywhere and it is so tough to find.

[brooklyndodger14]

http://www.baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17347&stc=1&d=1168231302

Here is Mickey Mantle at bat August 28. 1966 vs. Mickey Lolich and the Detroit Tigers. That's Dick Tracewski at 2B. The time is 2:17 and Mantle would strike out ending the 1st inning. After lining out to the infield in the 3rd inning, he would sit out the rest of the game in which Pepitone homered and rookie Steve Whitaker hit his 1st major league grand slam to beat the Tigers for Fritz Peterson 8-1 on Picture Pack Day. (Photo Source: My dad.)

The highlight for me was receiving the set of 12 color pictures and a Yankee logo decal plus the added bonus of being able to walk the warning track to exit via the bleacher doors in dead center field.

The disastrous 1966 season marked the end of several Yankee traditions:

1) The fans walking the track after the game.

2) The unceremonious firing of Red Barber from the Yankee broadcast crew.

3) The end of Ballantine Beer as the Yankees official beer sponsor (The "It's a HIT" sign would be taken down from the main scoreboard and the area would be blank for the entire 1967 season). See the picture in Post #278

4) The final year of the "traditional" Stadium look of light green seats and tan colored exterior walls.

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[KeyMan7]

http://www.baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17347&stc=1&d=1168231302


The disastrous 1966 season marked the end of several Yankee traditions: ........... The final year of the "traditional" Stadium look of light green seats and a tan colored exterior walls.

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

After viewing the second post referring to the Yankee Stadium green seats I have to see a clear color picture showing the seats. I have seen 100s of stadium seats for sale, dating from the 1920s -1950s and never saw one green seat. After the last post I went through every picture posted on this board, and only saw blue. There is one picture that could be argued green but it was not clear.

When I first purchased my Yankee Stadium seats I was in contact with a professional restorer of stadium seats, and their explanation of the light green paint below the blue was that was the color of the primer used before painting.

I will agree that the blue color used in the early days was more of a pastel light color blue, as opposed to the modern day darker blue. But Green? I must see. Anyone have a good pictue showing the green seats?

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeesea.jpg

[brooklyndodger14]

After viewing the second post referring to the Yankee Stadium green seats I have to see a clear color picture showing the seats. I have seen 100s of stadium seats for sale, dating from the 1920s -1950s and never saw one green seat. After the last post I went through every picture posted on this board, and only saw blue. There is one picture that could be argued green but it was not clear.

When I first purchased my Yankee Stadium seats I was in contact with a professional restorer of stadium seats, and their explanation of the light green paint below the blue was that was the color of the primer used before painting.

I will agree that the blue color used in the early days was more of a pastel light color blue, as opposed to the modern day darker blue. But Green? I must see. Anyone have a good picture showing the green seats?

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeesea.jpg

In actual fact, the green undercoating on your seat is the actual "original "(albeit re-painted probably several times over the years) color scheme that was in use at least as far back as the late 40's & early 50's.

It is mentioned earlier on this thread that if you have the DVD of Billy Crystal's "61*", in the extra features section they show how they painted Tiger Stadium's seating to match the green seat color that existed in the 1961 Yankee Stadium based on a small exposed undercoat beneath the 1967-era renovation royal blue.

Any old color postcard (pre-1967) will bear out the "original" green hue in the grandstands. Sometimes however, depending on the saturation of the color printing, it could also appear to be a light grey as well, but light green was the shade.

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[RichardLillard1]

A few color shots I have come accross over time. A few of these have been posted on here before, if not all of them. Some of these are large and will take a while to load.

1957 in the House that Ruth Built, this set of photos was posted some time ago on here and if you look at the original it is a big file.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/1957.jpg

Maris running home his 61st. Is it just me or does the facing of the upper deck have a different tone of green than the frieze above?
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/53005810.jpg

An interesting through the years type of shot. I love how nothing on the platofmr has changed really.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/Platform1.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/Platform2.jpg

This is the best picture I have been able to find of the seats, hope this one helps.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/52968916.jpg

And the best and only color I have been able to find directly behind home plate. Check out www.digitalballparks.com for some great photos of all the stadiums. The guy who runs is has some great stills from a film called "Summer of '57" and it showcases both the Polo Grounds and Yankee Stadium.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/Yanks_-_Al_Schoch_1_640T-1.jpg

Enjoy
Richard

[KeyMan7]

Thanks Dennis..... Billy Crystal's "61*", Great movie.. The shot of Mantle taking batting practice with the frieze / "facade" in the background is breath taking. I will always call it "The facade." Must buy the movie on DVD now.

To quote the wikipedia website: "While it is called "the Facade" by fans, broadcasters, and Yankees officials, the term "facade" has nothing at all to with it. The correct term would be "frieze", which is used very sparingly. It seems, however, that the Yankee organization is trying to shift to "The Frieze" when referring to this fixture in the new stadium, where it will be restored to its old position." Interesting that this will be an issue in the New "New Stadium." But sorry you say Tomato, and I say Facade.....

I'm sure the seats were painted over several times. The pictures Richard posted (Thanks) I see mostly blue, and where they look kind of green to my old blind eyes it can be argued. (note to self must buy Glasses) The picture Richard posted top left (Left field) looks green but the color looks off throughout the picture. The picture to the right (Right field) taken at the same time looks blue.

I'm not questioning the fact that they were green but I need to see a picture were it is clear (for reference) The picture of the seat I posted has green showing. Would you say that is the color green that they were?

[RichardLillard1]

Well I do have this if it helps.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/YankeeStadium.jpg

A screenshot from 61* they painted the seats from a sliver of the green (based on so many of his childhood memories) on Billy Crystal's Yankee Stadium chair.

Tiger Stadium was just blasted with the paint quickly to make it look right, as a result in some shots you can see spray marks on the ground where it shouldn't have been.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/ph_maris61_big_25.jpg

[bobw357]

Here's some pictures from negatives I own of Opening Day 1959, the seats appear to be a greenish blue color.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img1448x11a.jpg

Closer shot of the upper deck
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img144a.jpg

Its only a folding chair but the color is the same as the regular seats.

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img151a.jpg
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o186/bobw_photos/img151b.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

Great pictures Bob! Do you happen to have any more you have taken?

[Elvis]

This recent discussion of the color of Yankee Stadium's pre-1967 seat color has piqued something similar that I had questioned right here in Los Angeles. There were similar questions raised through the years about what Dodger Stadium looked like before they installed plastic seats in the mid-70s. Some claimed that they (reserved level) were green while others claimed they were blue. In old color photos it often looked blue, while others showed a more turquoise color. The answer was revealed when the new seats were installed last year. Frank McCourt found some original wooden seats in storage inside Dodger Stadium and had the new seats matched exactly to the original colors. It turns out that the seats had indeed been turquoise - which looks in certain lighting conditions to be straight blue.

Anyway the reason I'm posting all this is that it looks like the new reserved level seats at the Ravine are a damn near exact match to Yankee Stadium's original seats. They're not green, not blue, but pretty much right in between. I took this photo last season - compare it with those recently posted and tell me if you think it's dead-on too.

[Elvis]

In this shot, you can clearly see the difference between the turquoise seat color (YS pre-'67) and the straight powder-blue color of the seats in the top deck (YS post-'67).

Interesting, huh?

http://www.jamesdenton.com/2006%20Appearances/2006-06-24%20Hollywood%20Stars%20Dodger%20Stadium/2006-06-24-019.jpg

By the way, I have no idea who these people are (except Ron Cey) :)

BTW, wouldn't it be nice if they installed those turquoise seats in the new Yankee Stadium?

[RichardLillard1]

Elvis, great idea, I actually thought that to myself upon first seeing Dodger Stadium when the Diamondbacks played there this past season. Its a great look and I think that the Yankees could've learned a thing or two from the Dodgers and the fact that they are doing things to improve their stadium which was built less than 20 years before Yankee Stadium was put in its current condition.

[Mattingly85MVP]

I agree, great pictures bobw, any more?, and could you possibly make them bigger, I'd like to make a computer desktop background with the top one?

Attached is a picture that once appeared on esquire magazine, I edited out the writing on the cover...and the other is from game 2 or the 49' series, great color shot that appeared in the Yankees 100 years retrospective.
here's a link to the esquire cover too...

http://www.esquire.com/covergallery/coverdetail.html?y=1966&m=7

[RichardLillard1]

I love this thread more and more with each picture that gets posted and with every new thing learn about the great Bronx diamond.

[KeyMan7]

You Guys are Great! ....Thanks! I'm GREEN with envy with the pictures you guys have.

I almost bought that issue of Esquire two weeks ago on eBay.

After they build the new Stadium, they should put the old Stadium back to the way it was, and make a museum out of it.

[RichardLillard1]

I just read something online about what the "three rings" in Ballantine stood for. Ten bonus points to the first person who gets it right. :p

I'll post the answer in a few days.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

I just read something online about what the "three rings" in Ballantine stood for. Ten bonus points to the first person who gets it right. :p

I'll post the answer in a few days.



Purity- strength- flavor. Instead of the points, could you give me ten bucks.;)

[RichardLillard1]

Ten bucks? Who do you think I am Trump?! :D

How about "Jacob Rupert's Beer" as advertised in one of the '36 Yankees World Series programs? Without looking now.... good luck.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Ten bucks? Who do you think I am Trump?! :D

How about "Jacob Rupert's Beer" as advertised in one of the '36 Yankees World Series programs? Without looking now.... good luck.

Your just lucky I'm not Rosie O'Donell, I would take it out on your hide.:grouchy




Have no idea on this one, Rupert's. No need to look up that Ballantine question, burned in my mind. Showing my age now...... I can just hear Mel Allen.."Another Ballantine blast."

[brooklyndodger14]

No need to look up that Ballantine question, burned in my mind. Showing my age now...... I can just hear Mel Allen.."Another Ballantine blast."

Jingle Fragments:

"Baseball & Ballantine!
Baseball & Ballantine!

What a combination,
All across the nation!

BASEBALL & BALLANTINE!!!!"

(an animated cartoon opening starting the 1963 Yankee TV games on WPIX.)


another Ballantine TV jingle:

"Why is Ballantine Beer like a bugle call?
Why is Ballantine Beer like a fireman's call??
And why is Ballantine Beer like a kite in a windy sky??

There's more spirit to it... That's why!!
(If you want to start living a life that's livlier, live it with spirit!)"

one more:

"Ballantine's got the flavor that says:

Hey friend, do it again! Ballantine Beer
Hey friend, do it again! Ballantine Beer

Good to start with Ballantine
Good to stay with Ballantine
The flavor's great at the 3-ring sign

Ballantine's got the flavor that says:

Hey friend, do it again!
Ballantine Ballantine Beer!!!"

[RichardLillard1]

Well since no one knows the answer to the question of the week, this week the answer shall be posted.....

In 1936 during the World Series, Knickerbocker Beer was Jacob Rupert's beer. Apparently its the talk of the town.

By the way love those Ballantine jingles.

[RichardLillard1]

26 July, 1953 116,802 in attendance - and an overflow of 49,027 that listened in Dunellen, NJ. Jehovah's Whitnesses sure do bring a crowd.

[RichardLillard1]

Preperations and the pre-service sights before one the Papal masses held at the holy diamond in the Bronx.

I don't remember which this is from, but the pictures are in order as they were taken.

You can't tear it down its sacred ground!

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/photo05.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/photo10.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/photo09.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/photo08.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

I didn't mean for :o to be the icon for that last thread, I didn't click on it on intentionally.

[RichardLillard1]

Deleted post.

[RichardLillard1]

Satchel Paige and (holy cow!) Phil Rizzuto at an Old Timers Game at Yankee Stadium.

[RichardLillard1]

They also made a painted postcard of this picture.

[Elvis]

Hey Richard, Great pics!

Do you know when they started using that particular font for the outfield distance markers? 1967?

[RichardLillard1]

Sometime in 1956.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/113-1956.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

Late 60's is my guess, not sure of exactly when, I will do some research and get back to you on it though.

By the way Elvis, check out the Polo Grounds thread you started, maybe you could use one of those pictures to replace the now infamous "blue" one.

[LGehrigFan]

http://www.wheaton.edu/bgc/archives/exhibits/NYC57/067.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

GehrigFan I love that picture. Billy Graham sure could bring in the crowds!

[Williamsburg2599]

I didn't mean for :o to be the icon for that last thread, I didn't click on it on intentionally.
click edit and then go advanced, I think you can remove it.

[RichardLillard1]

Didn't work, it appears to be stuck there. Well, I'm not too worried about it.

[Elvis]

Oops! :o ------

[RichardLillard1]

Elvis, from every picture I have that font on the outfield walls doesn't show up any time before '67. My best guess is that it was put up there along with the new paint job.

I only have a few pictures of the stadium after the '67 repaint and in all of them it looks like this new font along with some new numbers. It looks like the 461 got changed to a 463 along with the repaint. I need to find some better quality pictures of the outfield wall after the repaint but it looks like there was that changed and a new marker added.

I'll keep checking and get back to you.

[spiderico]

Here are some new pix for the thread from my collection. I know how great it is to see some shots you've never seen before, so I though I'd share. Anyone else out there with some new (or maybe I should say, unseen) shots in their collections...lets see em! Thanks to all that have already contributed to this great thread, but lets seem more. I know they're out there!!!

These are from 1949. Ladies Day (according to the markings on back). I'll put more up later when I have a chance to scan. Enjoy.

[RichardLillard1]

Great photos spiderico! Do you have any that show more broad parts of the Stadium?

[KeyMan7]

Hey Richard I was looking at spiderico's pictures and noticed round objects on top of the ticket Booths. (back to the metal baseballs) what do you think?

spiderico do you have any close ups of the ticket booth?

I included a picture of another picture of the booths to compare.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/ball.jpg

http://baseball-fever.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17795&d=1169075190

[RichardLillard1]

I had actually wondered if those could have been the spheres in question back when the subject of them was originally asked.

The only reason I ever ruled them out was becuase the description from the website said there were four of them outside the main entrance. I guess given what I know now he probably meant he had four of them and there might have been more. Its possible that a lack of details on his part may have lead to my ruling them out.

I also posted a picture sometime ago of an original Yankee Stadium ticket booth. In the picture the sphere in question was not there. However it is possible that it was removed before the booth was put into the collection it is in today.

I am still waiting to talk to Osborn Engineering about original plans of the Stadium and plans of the additions to the grandstand from later on. If I get them I will definately talk about any technical parts of the structure that someone wants to know about.

[RichardLillard1]

There are some computerized renderings of the the new Yankee Stadium on the Yankee's website. Opinions anyone?

I like some of the exterior plans they have (the grand staircase and lack of towers) but it still looks too much like a cheap knock off to me.

Its sad to think that with all the land they are using on the new stadium they could have kept the landmark and opened small shops around it, much like Fenway Park has done in Boston.

I might be a Yankees fan but I respect the Red Sox for preserving their heritage.

[spiderico]

Heres a close up of the top of the ticket booths. No dice on the baseball tops.

By the way, how can i get images to appear directly in the post as opposed to showing up as links? Thanks.

[KeyMan7]

I checked out the pictures of the new Stadium on the Yankees website. I don't know about the "Great Hall" it looks too much like an airport. where do I pick up my luggage?
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeehall.jpg

You're right about Fenway. If you're a baseball fan you must make the trip to Boston. Coming from a die hard Yankee Fan, it's a great Ballpark. I was there in 2005.

http://keymancollectibles.com/keymanletter2.htm

[KeyMan7]

Heres a close up of the top of the ticket booths. No dice on the baseball tops.

By the way, how can i get images to appear directly in the post as opposed to showing up as links? Thanks.

Thanks spiderico, Great shot....OH well Back to the drawing board..

[TJH1923]

Hey Rich, Did you ever speak with Osborn? If not, when you do ask about the ornamental frieze on the left and right field stands that covered the upper and loge levels under belly. Ask why and when it was removed. Thanks...

[RichardLillard1]

I haven't heard from them yet but when I do I will be asking them about who maintained the Stadium up untill the renovation. If it was indeed them then I will ask them about the ornamental endcaps of the stands (along with many other questions!) and get back to you as soon as I know.

I am actually hoping they did the service and upkeep on the Bronx ballyard for all those years. I also hope they kept detailed records of this.

My hope is to inquire about a set of the builder's plans from 1922 and any additional plans they have dating up untill the renovation in the 70's. If they were in charge of things up untill then it would mean knowing the answers to all of our questions.

Here's hoping.

[TJH1923]

I came across these photos on WCBS News Radio 880 in N.Y. I believe early "construction" photos have been posted in the past. This guy put 4000 hours into this project. His name is Steve Wolf. An amazing project! http://www.newsradio88.com/pages/185796.php?contentType=37&contentId=6282

[TJH1923]

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[TJH1923]

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[RichardLillard1]

I've been watching Wolf's progress on that model for some time. I hope he puts up some better detail pictures on his site like the ones he did of Fenway, Wrigley and numerous others.

On a side note, I have heard from Osborn Engineering!! It is amazing how quickly you will talk to them when you said the email to the right address. :laugh Unfortunately they sold a good amount of their plans about ten years ago.

They kept some and the gentleman who is in charge of the history of Osborn and knows the answers to my questions will be getting in touch with me. The only problem is that he is semi-retired and is on his yearly vacation to Florida untill the end of Febuary.

If he reads my email or if the lady who replied to my email finds out anything then I will know sooner but we might be waiting a while for some answers to our questions.

[KeyMan7]

Found some old photos (not too good) 1949/1950 Yankee Stadium, and Ebbets Field. I dumped my scanner and used my camera. I have more but need to scan them.
http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeesta1950b.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeesta1950.jpg

.......Never forget the thread!

[KeyMan7]

Does anyone have any information on this sign? Trying to find out if it is from the Original Yankee Stadium. Black Glass that measures 34" x 4" Its supposed to be from the Yankee Stadium ticket windows. Any Pictures will help.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f393/KeyMan7/yankeestatickets.jpg

Thanks -Steven

[brooklyndodger14]

Hey Steven,

I'm not any authority,but I would right from the outset think that its not an original sign and more possbily a created sign.

The reason I feel that way is why would a ticket sign at Yankee Stadium have to say that it IS a Yankee Stadium ticket window?

Also, most signage at the ballparks in general would be hand-painted on wood as opposed to gold-paint on glass... that would be more of a sign for a place like a hotel, or perhaps Grand Central station where they did have a ticket booth for the Yankee games...

Dennis
BrooklynDodger14

[KeyMan7]

Thanks Dennis, - I was thinking the same thing why it would read Yankee Stadium Tickets but you never know. My first thought was it might be a sign from a place like the Grand Central Terminal when they used to sell Yankee Tickets on the mezzanine level. I don't think it was a "Created sign," the original large image that this person sent me just has a vintage look to it. The glass on the edge has a greenish tint to it.

[tommybaseball]

Does anyone have the black and white shot of the 2 guys sitting on the sidewalk outside the Stadium waiting to buy World Series tickets?

[RichardLillard1]

Know anymore about the picture Tommy? I will check my collection and get back to you.


Richard

[RichardLillard1]

I know this doesn't fit under the section about Yankee Stadium before the renovation but I have a great picture of the weathervane on the flagpole in Monument Park I want to post. It is actually a game used Lou Gehrig bat that was bronzed over for the specific use on the pole.

I would say we should start a "Modern Yankee Stadium" thread but I could put way too many pictures on there. A little over 33 and a half MB to be exact. Although the bat was installed on the pole in 1956. So consider this a modern picture of the old park. :p

Elvis, definately add this to Ballparktour.com. I can almost assure you would be the only site to list that fact.

Richard

[RichardLillard1]

Oops forgot to post the pic....


Richard

[RichardLillard1]

I am starting to feel like I have seen just about every photo of the "old" Yankee Stadium there is to see. :laugh

This is all I have found recently but I keep posting them as I find them.

Ruth working on his bunting just before and game on 21* July*, 1928. He would clout his 39th round trip of the season in a short while. (23 August was previously posed as a mistake and was edited out.)
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/41095a-Practicingbunting7-23-28befo.jpg

Mickey Mantle, excited about his new contract for $60,000, celebrates by smashing a snowball on 4 Febuary, 1957.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/Celebratinghis60000contractonFebrua.jpg

[RichardLillard1]

One more, Yankee Stadium in 1934.

[TJH1923]

Rich, I feel the same way. The pictures you posted, I haven't seen before. I do feel like I have seen most. There are companies out there that hold the rights to photos of yesteryear. Unfortunately they come with a hefty price tag. The hunt for "unseen" pictures is still fun when you come across one. Same goes for the Polo Grounds, my next favorite search.

[RichardLillard1]

Yeah, I will go searching for pictures once a week or so. Sometimes its a fun 30 minute search. Other times its a very daunting task that seems to take hours.

With a little luck when I hear from Osborn again they will tell me I can get some copies of the builder's plans. It will shed some light on a great deal of questions we all have about the Bronx Ballyard.

Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

[TJH1923]

A recent purchase and new addition. YankeePhotos.com

[Brownie31]

Saturday, October 27, 1923 Yankee Stadium New York: The World Series out of the way, Yankee Stadium plays host to a big time college football game between the Penn State Nittany Lions and the West Virginia Mountaineers. The two teams, both playing far from home, battled to a 13-13 tie. Penn State-West Virginia wouldn't be a bad game today! (Corbis)

Brownie31

[L. Regira]

I checked retrosheet to see who the Yanks played that day. They played the Browns on 8/21 and a double-header with them on 8/24 but no games between. I would imagine it was the 24th. I noticed that the visitor dugout back then was the 1st base dugout. This was in the days when managers were also the 3rd base coaches and did not want to walk too far to their posts when at home. I mean picture #452.
Lawrence R.

[lollar]

The picture must be labeled incorrectly. The team the Yankees are playing in post 452 is the White Sox...you can tell by the players in the backgroud. The players are wearing solid white socks...nothing on them. It is likely either 1923 or 1924. Chicago wore navy blue on the road in '25 and '26. They had pinstripes on their road grays in '27-'28 (i guess they could have pinstripes in those pics....they are thin and hard to see). My guess is its 1923 or 1924.

[RichardLillard1]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention everyone. I will ask over in the Ruth threads in the History section about the possible date of this photo.

The only problem I see with it being any time in 1923-24 is that Ruth didn't use that type of knob on his bats untill 1926-27.

Hopefully Randy, Joe or Bill Burgess can help us out with this. As I am currently going through and trying to date all my Yankee pictures correctly it would be very bothersome to have one with a wrong date.


Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

[RichardLillard1]

This issue seems to be resolved. I misdated the caption. The date I have on my computer is 23 July, not August. I have corrected this problem and also learned that on 23 July, 1928 Ruth hit his 39th of the season off Ed Walsh of the Chicago White Sox at Yankee Stadium.

I was really tired and busy the night I posted those pictures so I posted the correct date on the Ruth Disscusion Thread and the wrong one here, my apologies.

As for the uniform issue a quick trip over to "Dressed to the Nines" cleared this one up. With the exception of 1903 the Sox didn't make any changes to their away stockings untill the 1946 season. This definately supposrts the picture. Below is the link to the Baseball Hall of Fame's "Dressed to the Nines) online exhibit. It has a very nice database of all the main uniforms teams have worn pretty much from the beginning.

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1928_chicago.gif&Entryid=445


Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

[Richmond Hill Phoenix]

I really wish that I could contribute to this thread, however I am neither an expert in Yankee Stadium, nor photography. I love and appreciate the work here though! I love the old shots especially.

Maybe one day I'll be the leader in the "Skydome 1989-2004 Photo-thread" :laugh

-Geoff

PS: I hope you're feeling okay Richard, how come you're apologizing for your spelling?

[lollar]

That's cool then. It was obviously the Chi Sox. I thought there was a chance it was 28 since the Sox could have pinstripes...but pinstripes are so thin that you may not see them in the background of a photo like that. Also in
24 Ruth had a little more padding on him, not true in the above pic. Good Stuff lol.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

This issue seems to be resolved. I misdated the caption. The date I have on my computer is 23 July, not August. I have corrected this problem and also learned that on 23 July, 1928 Ruth hit his 39th of the season off Ed Walsh of the Chicago White Sox at Yankee Stadium.
I was really tired and busy the night I posted those pictures so I posted the correct date on the Ruth Disscusion Thread and the wrong one here, my apologies.

As for the uniform issue a quick trip over to "Dressed to the Nines" cleared this one up. With the exception of 1903 the Sox didn't make any changes to their away stockings untill the 1946 season. This definately supposrts the picture. Below is the link to the Baseball Hall of Fame's "Dressed to the Nines) online exhibit. It has a very nice database of all the main uniforms teams have worn pretty much from the beginning.
http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/detail_page.asp?fileName=al_1928_chicago.gif&Entryid=445


Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.


Richard I could be wrong will checked this date again but my info is different. If we're speaking of the year 1928, Babe hit #39 against the White Sox and Ed Walsh on July 21.

[RichardLillard1]

I forgot to change that too. When I went back and looked at the sourve for my picture I learned that I copied down the wrong month and day which then did on both threads.

The site I found the picture on has a correct date of 21 July, 1928. I really need to stop trying to function when I'm exhausted, I make way too many mistakes.

[Bill Burgess]

Hopefully Randy, Joe or Bill Burgess can help us out with this. As I am currently going through and trying to date all my Yankee pictures correctly it would be very bothersome to have one with a wrong date.


Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.
Richard,

How are you going about dating your photos.

I date all my baseball photos using the following book. (Baseball Uniforms of the 20th Century: The Official ML BB Guide, Researched, Illustrated & Written by Marc Okkonen, 1991, 1993)

Also, the following website, hostd by the Hall of Fame, mainly using the same book above, but also using images after 1993, has assisted me in dating some of the photos. http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/ex...s/database.htm


Bill

[RichardLillard1]

Joe,

Yeah it seems almost to be happening more and more lately. I seem to live in front of this thing at times.


Richard

[RichardLillard1]

PS: I hope you're feeling okay Richard, how come you're apologizing for your spelling?


The main reason I have start the apology for potential spelling errors is because I usually end up reading a post of mine and having to edit numerous errors. I proof-read before I post it but a good portion of the time I don't catch all of them. I suppose you could attribute it to laziness. :laugh

Richard

[RichardLillard1]

Bill,

With a lot of them I have very vague dates such as the year or a month, I like to have the exact date but sometimes this just isn't possible. But if I have a month or year the Baseball Hall of Fame's uniform database helps tremendously.

It also helps to know about subtle differences in the uniform through the years. Like the NY on the Yankee hats and how the font changes from year to year (for dating before they wore the NY on the jersey). However I am not sure if their database is a accurate as they say it is. This is the reason I was looking for a picture of Ruth in home uniform from 1920 over on the Babe Ruth Thread.

Some of them are very hard to date and I don't think I will ever know when they were taken. There is a famous picture of a few boys standing outside Yankee Stadium before a game started and judging by there clothes its from 50's or 60's, that's all I can tell.

The one other thing you can do to date a ballpark photo (when you can't tell exactly what the players are wearing) is try and find out about how the ballpark looked. My forte with the ballyards is Yankee Stadium so I know about mundane little things like when the fence in front of the front row at Yankee Stadium was switched from concrete to an actual fence going down the foul lines (late '45 and into early '46).

I cannot express how much I respect you guys that post on a regular basis in the History section. The vast knowledge you have of players, their styles and even personalities never stops amazing me. I have literally spent hours reading about one man in particular. I can only immagine how much it helps to look at a photo and know it might be labeled wrong because of the stance of the hitter versus the man standing on deck. Randy helped me correct one that I had labeled as Ruth but he was really waiting on deck.

Below is the link to the online exhibit "Dressed to the Nines" from the Baseball Hall of Fame. Let me know what you think of it.

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm

Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.

[TJH1923]

Hello Rich, I have a suggestion you can use prior to posting....ie spell check.......www.iespell.com......It is a free download. I use it religiously. Your attention to detail is refreshing. I often look at photos in books and point out inaccuracies due to my knowledge of the topic..... I just corrected three mistakes....lol

[Bill Burgess]

The main reason I have start the apology for potential spelling errors is because I usually end up reading a post of mine and having to edit numerous errors. I proof-read before I post it but a good portion of the time I don't catch all of them. I suppose you could attribute it to laziness. :laugh

Richard
Richard,

We have a spell checker in place. Before you hit the submit button, hit the small icon in the top right hand, with the little ABC check mark symbol. That is the spell checker and helps us look better.

Bill

[RichardLillard1]

Thanks for the information. That iespell can come in handy with other things I am typing but knowing that we have a spell checker on the forum is great to know as well.

I guess that's the end of my apologizing.

Richard

[Bill Burgess]

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/exhibits/online_exhibits/dressed_to_the_nines/database.htm

Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.
Yes I'm familiar with the site. I tried to provide a link to it in my post #467, but the link is bad or something.

That site is based on the work from the book I mentioned in that post. I use that book often. In fact, I went through my entire personal book library, trying to date all my photos. I had a lot of fun.

If anyone can find errors in any of my photos threads, I'd be very appreciative. I would like to narrow down the dates for as many photos as possible. I find that the most useful features are the stockings and breast logos. But I use even the smallest details. I always look at the other players in the backgrounds. I am not familiar with ballpark features at all and if anyone can help me narrow my dates, I live for that kind of help.

Bill

[RichardLillard1]

I thought that was the site you were refering to but the link didn't cocme up for some odd reason.

It really is a great site and a fantastic way to look at both how baseball uniforms from hats down to the shoes have evolved through the years as well as a great way to research images.

Bill are there any good images of Yankee Stadium that we might be able to post on here that are over in the History section? We're always looking for any new contributions.

Richard

[Bill Burgess]

I thought that was the site you were refering to but the link didn't cocme up for some odd reason.

It really is a great site and a fantastic way to look at both how baseball uniforms from hats down to the shoes have evolved through the years as well as a great way to research images.

Bill are there any good images of Yankee Stadium that we might be able to post on here that are over in the History section? We're always looking for any new contributions.

Richard
All I have is the page I devoted to Classic Stadiums, in the larger Historical, Archival Photographs Threads, which is stickied at the top of the first page.
http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=40306&page=14

In that thread, I gave 11 pages to players, and a page each to teams, ballparks, umpires, managers, owners.

Have you searched Corbis yet? http://pro.corbis.com/search/searchFrame.aspx

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Bill,

With a lot of them I have very vague dates such as the year or a month, I like to have the exact date but sometimes this just isn't possible. But if I have a month or year the Baseball Hall of Fame's uniform database helps tremendously.

It also helps to know about subtle differences in the uniform through the years. Like the NY on the Yankee hats and how the font changes from year to year (for dating before they wore the NY on the jersey). However I am not sure if their database is a accurate as they say it is. This is the reason I was looking for a picture of Ruth in home uniform from 1920 over on the Babe Ruth Thread.
Some of them are very hard to date and I don't think I will ever know when they were taken. There is a famous picture of a few boys standing outside Yankee Stadium before a game started and judging by there clothes its from 50's or 60's, that's all I can tell.

Richard
Sorry for any spelling mistakes.''

Yanks 1923.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

1928 Home and away.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

A bit of info. Unfortunate most old photos are not in color. At times some teams made changes in colors only, same uniform in different years , different color scheme.

George, 1920 or 1921.

[RichardLillard1]

All I have is the page I devoted to Classic Stadiums, in the larger Historical, Archival Photographs Threads, which is stickied at the top of the first page.
http://baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=40306&page=14

In that thread, I gave 11 pages to players, and a page each to teams, ballparks, umpires, managers, owners.

Have you searched Corbis yet? http://pro.corbis.com/search/searchFrame.aspx

Bill,

I spent at least two hours last night in amazement at not only the photos but how detailed a good amount of their captions were.

I beleive this is going go be the next website I join and give my money to every month. They had some pictures on there hardly anyone ever sees. Thanks again for the link.

Richard

[Bill Burgess]

Bill,

I spent at least two hours last night in amazement at not only the photos but how detailed a good amount of their captions were.

I beleive this is going go be the next website I join and give my money to every month. They had some pictures on there hardly anyone ever sees. Thanks again for the link.

Richard
It's my pleasure to share this and any other resource that I know about. Bench 5 shared it with me about 2 months ago, and I immediately shared it with Fever members. It is indeed awesome. And I have cherry-picked those shots that suit my purposes, and stocked my many various photos threads with them.

But beware. Some of their captioned dates are in error. Not many, but a few. And if one registers, for free, the water mark impression disappears!

Good News Update:
Sports Illustrated assures me that this summer, hopefully by July, they will have a search engine installed on their website, and all will be able to search their vast inventories by player name, team name, etc. Happy days. I have searched for 3 of their photos in vain for many months!

Also, in case no one knows about it, the Cooperstown Hall of Fame, which has over 500,000 photos, the world's largest baseball photo collection, will send anyone, via email, on any player one requests.

This does not apply to a player with too many photos. Ruth, Cobb, etc. have hundreds of photos with them. But others, like Waddell, Walsh, Vance and lesser famous players, they will send you what they have.

Bill

[TJH1923]

It's my pleasure to share this and any other resource that I know about. Bench 5 shared it with me about 2 months ago, and I immediately shared it with Fever members. It is indeed awesome. And I have cherry-picked those shots that suit my purposes, and stocked my many various photos threads with them.

But beware. Some of their captioned dates are in error. Not many, but a few. And if one registers, for free, the water mark impression disappears!

Good News Update:
Sports Illustrated assures me that this summer, hopefully by July, they will have a search engine installed on their website, and all will be able to search their vast inventories by player name, team name, etc. Happy days. I have searched for 3 of their photos in vain for many months!

Also, in case no one knows about it, the Cooperstown Hall of Fame, which has over 500,000 photos, the world's largest baseball photo collection, will send anyone, via email, on any player one requests.

This does not apply to a player with too many photos. Ruth, Cobb, etc. have hundreds of photos with them. But others, like Waddell, Walsh, Vance and lesser famous players, they will send you what they have.

Bill

Bill, Thank you for the info regarding Corbis. This is exactly what I am looking for. Too bad Getty Images doesen't do the same thing. I feel like a kid in a candy store. This will also help my interest in the Polo Grounds. Great Find!! TJH

[RichardLillard1]

Oh no... I thought I had to pay now that I know that I am going to be up all night. Must have more coffee!!


Richard

[RichardLillard1]

Well, way too much coffee and a couple hours later I have a lot more Yankee Stadium pictures that I will post on here with their captions in the coming week. I am far too tired to do all of that now.

But for now these come compliments of Bruce Orser who does some research in tape measure home runs.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/YS1924.jpg

A newspaper article comparing the Polo Grounds to the new Yankee Stadium and the diagram that went along with it.
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/YSpolocompare.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/RichardLillard1/YSPolosupercomparison1923.jpg

Tomorrow night I will post a good deal of Yankee Stadium photos that I spent hours oggling at tonight.

Richard

[RichardLillard1]

Well Photobucket scaled down the newspaper article and diagram. If you are interested in reading it or seeing it in full size please let me know and I will send it to you via email.

Richard

[lollar]

Here are some great shots of the 1926 World Series:

20316
This is an overhead shot of Game Two. Taylor Douthit to third and Billy Southworth to second on Horsnby's sacrafice bunt. Pitcher Urban Shocker near the first base line to field the bunt.

20317
"During Game 6 of the 1926 World Series, Rogers Hornsby of the St. Louis Cardinals is crossing home plate with Jim Bottomley rounding third base on Les Bell's single. St. Louis won, 10-2." Hard to disprove this caption.
20318
"Photo shows Waite Hoyt about to deliver the ball to Rogers Hornsby while Lou Gehrig looms off first base in the deciding World Series game." Hard to disprove the caption. Could be any game at Yankee Stadium in series. Game Seven had only about 40,000 there. It does look like Horsnby batting however.

[Bill Burgess]

Here are some great shots of the 1926 World Series:
Did you realize that if you register at the Corbis site, the water mark impression then disappears, and are ready to download without the water mark.

Just a helpful hint.

Bill

[tkd7]

Haven't been here in a while but I remember a post asking for any locker room shots. Don't know if this was posted, but here is one
http://www.thesportgallery.com/products/yankees550water.jpg

It is from a Sport Magazine photo collection:
http://www.thesportgallery.com/products/index.html

[RichardLillard1]

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