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MATHA531
12-03-2007, 09:37 AM
The slimeball got into the Hall of Fame....we'll have to make sure we're there to make this a most distasteful day for all those imbeciles who did this to us.
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 09:54 AM
Horrible, horrible day for all BROOKLYN DODGER FANS!
Now, WE need to get organized for a trip up there...and let all OUR voices be heard....LOUD and CLEAR! They just may be sorry they did this!
Does anyone know the actual date of induction next year?
Please let me know.
c.
MATHA531
12-03-2007, 09:55 AM
By letting this sub human slimeball into the HOF, they have cheapened it for all time to come.
They might as well let Pete Rose in now.
Mariano_Rivera
12-03-2007, 10:05 AM
Right now I`m debating with a few people over his candidacy here (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/03/five-more-for-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-213034). You`re welcome to join me
Very very sad day. But ont he other hand maybe MLB and Frank McCourt will hear your boos the day he is elected
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 10:09 AM
The DATE of INFAMY is JULY 27, 2008.
All roads head to Cooperstown, NY
c.
12/03/2007 10:55 AM ET
Five elected to Hall by Vets Committee
Williams, Southworth, Kuhn, O'Malley, Dreyfuss get nods
By Barry M. Bloom / MLB.com
NASHVILLE -- Five managers and executives were elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Monday under revamped rules that created separate Veterans Committee ballots.
World Series-winning managers Billy Southworth and Dick Williams will be joined in the Class of 2008 on July 29 at Cooperstown, N.Y., by former Commissioner Bowie Kuhn and owners Walter O'Malley and Barney Dreyfuss.
Williams, who won the World Series in Oakland and pennants with Boston and San Diego, and Southworth, who won the Series twice with St. Louis, were on a ballot of 10 that combined umpires and managers and included former managers Whitey Herzog, Davey Johnson, Billy Martin and Gene Mauch, plus umpire Doug Harvey.
On the ballot of 10 executives, O'Malley, the Dodgers owner who moved the team from Brooklyn to Los Angeles 50 years ago; Kuhn, the commissioner from 1969 to 1984; and Dreyfuss, a turn-of-the-century pioneer from the Pirates, headed a list that also included Marvin Miller, the former executive director of the Players Association, and Buzzie Bavasi, who was one of O'Malley's general managers.
A maximum of four inductees could have been elected in each of those two categories. As is the case on all Hall elections, a candidate must receive 75 percent of the vote to be elected. Williams, 78, is the only living electee. Kuhn is the third commissioner elected.
Former players who are no longer eligible for the annual Baseball Writers Association of America ballot won't come to a vote again until late next year. And that will be broken down into two ballots: One for those who played prior to 1943 and another those who played from 1943 and afterward. From that point on, players whose careers ended in 1943 will be up for election every five years, while those who played after 1943 will be nominated every other year.
The managers/umpires and executives/pioneers now will be voted upon every other year.
It should be noted that no player had been elected by any permutation of the Veterans Committee since Bill Mazeroski in 2001. Previous to Monday, the last manager to be elected was Sparky Anderson in 2000, and the last Major League executive was Lee MacPhail Jr. in 1998.
During elections held by the re-constituted Veterans Committee in 2003, 2005 and earlier this year, no one was elected, prompting the changes in the committee setup.
The committee assembled to elect managers/umpires included 16 people: 10 Hall of Fame players, three current and former Major League executives, and three veteran media members. The Hall of Famers were Hank Aaron, Jim Bunning, Bob Gibson, Fergie Jenkins, Al Kaline, Tommy Lasorda, Phil Niekro, Tony Perez, Earl Weaver and Billy Williams.
The committee now assembled to elect executives was made up of 12 members: Two Hall of Fame players, seven former or current Major League executives and three veteran media members. Monte Irvin and Harmon Killebrew were the Hall of Fame players.
As in the recent past, all of the 63 living Hall of Fame players make up the bulk of the committee to elect their brethren. But, except those 12 selected for the other two committees, they will no longer have a hand in electing managers/umpires or executives.
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 10:11 AM
Right now I`m debating with a few people over his candidacy here (http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2007/12/03/five-more-for-the-hall-of-fame/#comment-213034). You`re welcome to join me
Very very sad day. But ont he other hand maybe MLB and Frank McCourt will hear your boos the day he is elected
Many more than MLB and McCout will hear US!
You can count on it!
c.
Many more than MLB and McCout will hear US!
You can count on it!
c.
I could feel Branch Rickey, roll over in his grave. What a sad day for all the Brooklyn Dodger fans world wide.
Dodgerfan1
12-03-2007, 10:31 AM
12/03/2007 10:55 AM ET
Five elected to Hall by Vets Committee
Williams, Southworth, Kuhn, O'Malley, Dreyfuss get nods
By Barry M. Bloom / MLB.com
NASHVILLE -- Five managers and executives were elected to the National Baseball Hall of Fame on Monday under revamped rules that created separate Veterans Committee ballots.
World Series-winning managers Billy Southworth and Dick Williams will be joined in the Class of 2008 on July 29 at Cooperstown, N.Y., by former Commissioner Bowie Kuhn and owners Walter O'Malley and Barney Dreyfuss.
Williams, who won the World Series in Oakland and pennants with Boston and San Diego, and Southworth, who won the Series twice with St. Louis, were on a ballot of 10 that combined umpires and managers and included former managers Whitey Herzog, Davey Johnson, Billy Martin and Gene Mauch, plus umpire Doug Harvey.
On the ballot of 10 executives, O'Malley, the Dodgers owner who moved the team from Brooklyn to Los Angeles 50 years ago; Kuhn, the commissioner from 1969 to 1984; and Dreyfuss, a turn-of-the-century pioneer from the Pirates, headed a list that also included Marvin Miller, the former executive director of the Players Association, and Buzzie Bavasi, who was one of O'Malley's general managers.
A maximum of four inductees could have been elected in each of those two categories. As is the case on all Hall elections, a candidate must receive 75 percent of the vote to be elected. Williams, 78, is the only living electee. Kuhn is the third commissioner elected.
Former players who are no longer eligible for the annual Baseball Writers Association of America ballot won't come to a vote again until late next year. And that will be broken down into two ballots: One for those who played prior to 1943 and another those who played from 1943 and afterward. From that point on, players whose careers ended in 1943 will be up for election every five years, while those who played after 1943 will be nominated every other year.
The managers/umpires and executives/pioneers now will be voted upon every other year.
It should be noted that no player had been elected by any permutation of the Veterans Committee since Bill Mazeroski in 2001. Previous to Monday, the last manager to be elected was Sparky Anderson in 2000, and the last Major League executive was Lee MacPhail Jr. in 1998.
During elections held by the re-constituted Veterans Committee in 2003, 2005 and earlier this year, no one was elected, prompting the changes in the committee setup.
The committee assembled to elect managers/umpires included 16 people: 10 Hall of Fame players, three current and former Major League executives, and three veteran media members. The Hall of Famers were Hank Aaron, Jim Bunning, Bob Gibson, Fergie Jenkins, Al Kaline, Tommy Lasorda, Phil Niekro, Tony Perez, Earl Weaver and Billy Williams.
The committee now assembled to elect executives was made up of 12 members: Two Hall of Fame players, seven former or current Major League executives and three veteran media members. Monte Irvin and Harmon Killebrew were the Hall of Fame players.
As in the recent past, all of the 63 living Hall of Fame players make up the bulk of the committee to elect their brethren. But, except those 12 selected for the other two committees, they will no longer have a hand in electing managers/umpires or executives.
I know it's arguable and no doubt many will disagree with me, but I think as a manager, Billy Martin belongs in the HOF before Southworth or Williams, although Martin and Williams could be a tossup.
ColtscorrAL
12-03-2007, 10:59 AM
I don't think the slime ball will ever know he's in. I doubt he gets a whole lot of news where he's currently and forever burning.
Former Dodgers owner Walter O'Malley elected to Baseball Hall of Fame
By CORKY SIEMASZKO
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Monday, December 3rd 2007, 12:33 PM
Say it ain't so!
Major League Baseball's Veterans Committee has just elected Walter O'Malley, the blackhearted owner who broke Brooklyn's heart by moving The Dodgers to Los Angeles, to the Hall of Fame.
O'Malley did the dastardly deed after the 1957 season - plunging many New Yorkers into a prolonged grief from which they never recovered.
And the timing of the vote - shortly after the 50th anniversary of O'Malley's outrage - is sure to rub fresh salt into those old wounds.
O'Malley chose money over memories when he moved The Bums to L.A. after he couldn't squeeze the deal he wanted out of the city to replace creaky Ebbets Field with a new stadium.
Flatbush has never been the same.
MLB also gave Yankees fans reason to feel slighted by passing over former skipper Billy Martin.
They did make room in Cooperstown for former commissioner Bowie Kuhn, who presided over one of the sport's most contentious labor periods, former managers Dick Williams and Bill Southworth, and former Pittsburgh Pirates owner Barney Dreyfuss.
KCGHOST
12-03-2007, 12:12 PM
What a dark day in Flatbush. Once again the VC screwed the pooch.
Horrible, horrible day for all BROOKLYN DODGER FANS!
Now, WE need to get organized for a trip up there...and let all OUR voices be heard....LOUD and CLEAR! They just may be sorry they did this!
Does anyone know the actual date of induction nect year?
Please let me know.
c.
He received the minimum nine votes necessary from a 12-member panel that voted on executives and pioneers. I'd like to know who the three are, their my new hero's.
musial6
12-03-2007, 01:00 PM
I know it's arguable and no doubt many will disagree with me, but I think as a manager, Billy Martin belongs in the HOF before Southworth or Williams, although Martin and Williams could be a tossup.
Billy Southworth was the manager of my youth. I loved him.
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 01:05 PM
He received the minimum nine votes necessary from a 12-member panel that voted on executives and pioneers. I'd like to know who the three are, their my new hero's.
Well, LeoD, here's the group...
The committee now assembled to elect executives was made up of 12 members: Two Hall of Fame players, seven former or current Major League executives and three veteran media members. Monte Irvin and Harmon Killebrew were the Hall of Fame players.
Can WE attempt to guess just WHO they might be?
c.
musial6
12-03-2007, 01:55 PM
Now that the O'Malley is in the Hall, can canonization be far off? It's rumored he died in the Odour of Sanctity.
penncentralpete
12-03-2007, 02:06 PM
Now that the O'Malley is in the Hall, can canonization be far off? It's rumored he died in the Odour of Sanctity.
wasn't that "The Odor of Sanctimonious" ???????
metfan13
12-03-2007, 02:12 PM
You guys better not watch the Lasorda interview on MLB.com
Man, does he lay it on thick.
And all this year will be the celebration of 50 years in LA.
Ralph Zig Tyko
12-03-2007, 02:18 PM
This is, indeed, a travesty.
That said, I'm hoping that they don't throw you guys a "bone," in the way of Gil Hodges. It would be insulting. Yes, he was a "Saint." So was Roger Moore. Yes, he had big hands. So did John Holmes. Yes, he smoked more cigarettes in the course of a lifetime than anyone that ever lived. Yes, he deserves it more than the likes of Enos Slaughter, Phil Rizzuto, Gaylord Perry, Don Sutton and Lloyd "Little Poison" Waner. For that matter, he's equally as [un]deserving as Pee Wee Reese.
All these wrongs don't make a right.
.
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 02:25 PM
You guys better not watch the Lasorda interview on MLB.com
Man, does he lay it on thick.
And all this year will be the celebration of 50 years in LA.
Tommy laying it on thick....no surpise there! He's had a lot of practice during all those years he was s-----g up to the Big "O" and his family. :bowdown:
THAT is the extent of his talent; his constant open mouth, with nothing of quality to say. :blah::blah:
Loyal and true BROOKLYN DODGER fans take it from where it comes, consider the source....then promptly ignore it!
c.
dodger dynamo
12-03-2007, 02:30 PM
thankfully the new owners were not associated with o'malley. If peter still owned the team we'd be really inundated by this god awful stuff that's soon to come. If mcourt really wanted to make a name for himself and upstage the ceremony, he'd use it to announce where he's gonna move the team when he finally does what he wants with the land. what a great way that would be to stick it to o'malley. I know it won't, it can't and so on and so forth. branch rickey as leo d said is rolling over in his grave, so much so, I'd love to see an appearance by him at the ceremony. can you call it a ceremony?. I think If I was in the hall, I'd asked to be taken out in protest. now I just gotta be alone for a while. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
metfan13
12-03-2007, 02:43 PM
Not sure how McCourt would make a name for himself that way.
By letting this sub human slimeball into the HOF, they have cheapened it for all time to come.
They might as well let Pete Rose in now.
Exactly, MATHA351. I couldn't have said it better.
The National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum has lost every ounce of it's credibility. Before this travesty happened, I hoped Pete Rose would never get into the HOF. Now, I hope he gets in. It would be appropriate.
An alternative Baseball Hall of Fame institution is now an absolute necessity. The one in Cooperstown is a complete farce. I've been to the Baseball HOF building twice. They will NEVER get another penny from me. This organization is the antithesis of the Pro Football HOF in Canton. The same can be said for MLB the last 50 years, when compared to the NFL.
I could feel Branch Rickey, roll over in his grave. What a sad day for all the Brooklyn Dodger fans world wide.
In addition to what you mentioned, countless Brooklyn Dodgers who are no longer with us in the physical sense, are in essence doing the same.
Every person who supported the Brooklyn Dodgers in one way or another was figuratively stabbed in the heart today.
You guys better not watch the Lasorda interview on MLB.com
Man, does he lay it on thick.
And all this year will be the celebration of 50 years in LA.
There was a time when I had respect for Tom LaSorda. Those days are long gone. He's part of the problem, not the solution. Screw him and everyone who helped put Walter O' Malley in what is now officially the Baseball Hall of Shame.
penncentralpete
12-03-2007, 03:15 PM
I could feel Branch Rickey, roll over in his grave. What a sad day for all the Brooklyn Dodger fans world wide.
you said it! awful!
penncentralpete
12-03-2007, 03:17 PM
The DATE of INFAMY is JULY 27, 2008.
All roads head to Cooperstown, NY
c.
i plan on attending................in my brooklyn road jersey, brooklyn cap, and my BIG MOUTH.............
penncentralpete
12-03-2007, 03:25 PM
my wife just said: "isn't it a shame? we should be going there to CELEBRATE gil hodges' induction, but now we must go and PROTEST this clown??"
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 03:33 PM
WE can add DECEMBER 3, 2007 and JULY 27, 2008 to the dates of OCTOBER 8, 1957 and FEBRUARY 23, 1960......the four worst days in OUR BROOKLYN DODGER HISTORY.
On each of those days, WE loyal and true BROOKLYN DODGER FANS were told, in essence, that WE don't matter, and it is perfectly OK to stick a daggar into OUR hearts and let US bleed a little more.
Truly a sad, sad day for MLB and the HOF!
c.
WE can add DECEMBER 3, 2007 and JULY 27, 2008 to the dates of OCTOBER 8, 1957 and FEBRUARY 23, 1960......the four worst days in OUR BROOKLYN DODGER HISTORY.
On each of those days, WE loyal and true BROOKLYN DODGER FANS were told, in essence, that WE don't matter, and it is perfectly OK to stick a daggar into OUR hearts and let US bleed a little more.
Truly a sad, sad day for MLB and the HOF!
c.
DODGER DEB, one other additional date probably should be added to the list. The date ( I believe it was in May, 1957 ) that Walter O' Malley and Horace Stoneham got approval from the National League that they could move their respective franchises to the West Coast.
dodger dynamo
12-03-2007, 03:47 PM
it would help him in our eyes a little, at least mine. If mccourt joined with us and tried to stick it to or up stage the o'malley in any way then it would make a huge baseball statement, but he won't. because he wants to increase the value of the team to a certain point and then unload it, that's all that concerns him. just like o'malley because today all they worship or care about is the almighty buck. just like enron they think it justifies any thing. well, o'malley goes in, talk about undeserving. ok, induct everybody even the gamblers who fixed the 1919 series. I'm not considering it the hall of fame any more, the lowest minor leaguer who ever put on a uniform and played an honest game the right way deserves to be in more than o'malley does. however, it's just like the move, it's done. which means what? it means the brooklyn dodger fans get shafted again and we have to live with a detestable result. now, I know why I stayed away from base ball for so long. I come back to the game and wham!, right in the face! another brooklyn dodger fan betrayal by mlb and those associated with it. we don't matter to any of them, we never did. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
Matty
12-03-2007, 05:55 PM
Count me in on any trek to Cooperstown that day, organized or not!
Rot in Hell, O'Malley!
soberdennis
12-03-2007, 06:22 PM
I understand your hurt. Even though I am a Yankee fan, the traitorous move to LA just made me hate the Dodgers even more.
But I hate to burst your bubble. As a Baseball fan, I think O'Malley deserves induction.
DODGER DEB
12-03-2007, 06:37 PM
DODGER DEB, one other additional date probably should be added to the list. The date ( I believe it was in May, 1957 ) that Walter O' Malley and Horace Stoneham got approval from the National League that they could move their respective franchises to the West Coast.
I think you mean, D6+, all the while he was mouthing "MY ROOTS ARE in BROOKLYN, MY ROOTS ARE in BROOKLYN", every chance he got! And, WE believed him!
c.
metfan13
12-03-2007, 09:04 PM
Why would McCourt do anything to diminish O'Malley's day? He'd have nothing to gain and might antagonize the fans of his team.
dodger dynamo
12-03-2007, 10:24 PM
because if I owned the team I wouldn't let the dodgers be involved at all, I'd have a half price day at the park the day of the ceremony and that way brooklyn and los angeles fans, both could benefit. o'malley would then turn over in his grave over the thought of a half price day. because I wouldn't care one bit about o'malley, If I was mccourt. the new owner owes him nothing. him getting into the hall helps ticket sales not one bit. maybe he'd want to gain a few new fans. he won't of course, he'll follow the o'malley was great line. one day there might be an owner who say's enough is enough, you think o'malley would care about mccourt? only if he could make a buck off of him. I didn't want to shift attention from the true purpose of the thread, which seems to be what many want. it seems to happen a lot for some unknown reason. why discuss it, o'malley's going in and we can't change it, we can boo and make a scene, we can bicker and protest, but the dodgers are in la, o'malley's going into the hall. I'm just about finished with base ball. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
penncentralpete
12-03-2007, 11:52 PM
bake baby: you are going to allow walter o'malley rob you TWICE in the same lifetime???? screw him and the HOF. embrace baseball as the great game it still is. do not let that bas**** stab you again. let it go. we'll meet in cooperstown, have a few beers, talk about the brooklyn days, and then go boo our heads off at the ceremony. chin up lad!
penncentralpete
12-04-2007, 12:00 AM
the Devil......all lies......
penncentralpete
12-04-2007, 12:01 AM
something smells bad...........
dodger dynamo
12-04-2007, 12:15 AM
oh, I'll not let o'malley get me. baseball in it's truest form is still great. the threads and posts by you and some of the others remind me of that. we're orphans in the base ball world, we brooklyn dodger fans. we may have adopted other teams, still go out to the park, but we will never forget. It's just by comparison, what was to what is, is just a wide gap. thanks pete. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
I think you mean, D6+, all the while he was mouthing "MY ROOTS ARE in BROOKLYN, MY ROOTS ARE in BROOKLYN", every chance he got! And, WE believed him!
c.
DODGER DEB, I can understand why you or any Dodgers fan would have believed Walter O' Malley. History suggests that O' Malley made up his mind well before May, 1957 that he was moving the Franchise to Los Angeles. Yet, the emotional part of being a passionate fan makes it difficult to accept the realization that your favorite team is in the process of being hijacked.
Words can't even describe how angry and bitter I am for yesterday's decision. There has never been a situation before or after, when the most profitable team in a pro sports league in North America, in a combined 5 year period of time ( 1952-1956 ), announced that it was moving a year later.
I'm sick of hearing and reading the argument that the Dodgers attendance was nothing to write home about during this period. The bottom line was the TV and overall media money that Walter O' Malley was making because of Dodgers fans, contributed greatly to the Dodgers being the most profitable franchise during this period. The reality of the situation is that the Baseball Hall of Shame Veterans Committee spit in the face of every fan of every team, past and present.
penncentralpete
12-04-2007, 12:35 AM
apologies for the blurriness......
penncentralpete
12-04-2007, 12:44 AM
even Bake's dog "duke" was saddened by the terrible news.......
penncentralpete
12-04-2007, 01:02 AM
no comment on this one............
hammer44
12-04-2007, 04:56 AM
The election of Walter O' Malley just confirms one notion. The present day media works hard to foster the idea that O"Malley was innovative. They treat him like he was so smart and "forward thinking" for ripping the Dodgers out of Brooklyn. We all know it was about GREED! Unfortunately baseball owners are all cut out of the same cloth in this regard. The media for their part has the brains of morons to report that garbage. Whatever they do and whatever they say we all know the Dodgers are the Brooklyn Dodgers. That is their heart and soul.
DODGER DEB
12-04-2007, 06:19 AM
The election of Walter O' Malley just confirms one notion. The present day media works hard to foster the idea that O"Malley was innovative. They treat him like he was so smart and "forward thinking" for ripping the Dodgers out of Brooklyn. We all know it was about GREED! Unfortunately baseball owners are all cut out of the same cloth in this regard. The media for their part has the brains of morons to report that garbage. Whatever they do and whatever they say we all know the Dodgers are the Brooklyn Dodgers. That is their heart and soul.
Thank you, thank you, hammer44, for that! You have no idea how much that sentiment is appreciated today by those of US who love OUR DODGERS! :nod:
I'd also like to welcome you to OUR little corner of BBF. As you can see, even though the HOF and sportwriters/commentators continue to ignore it, WE (BROOKLYN DODGER FANS) are still a force to reckon with.....just look at OUR numbers here on BBF! WE surpass more than 90% of active teams...and WE haven't had an active team for more than 50 years.
c.
metfan13
12-04-2007, 06:19 AM
The election of Walter O' Malley just confirms one notion. The present day media works hard to foster the idea that O"Malley was innovative. They treat him like he was so smart and "forward thinking" for ripping the Dodgers out of Brooklyn. We all know it was about GREED! Unfortunately baseball owners are all cut out of the same cloth in this regard. The media for their part has the brains of morons to report that garbage. Whatever they do and whatever they say we all know the Dodgers are the Brooklyn Dodgers. That is their heart and soul.
He was a businessman. His success in LA proves he knew what he was doing.
Brooklyn may have been profitable, LA was that a few times over.
DODGER DEB
12-04-2007, 06:28 AM
For everyone who wrote to MARTY MARKOWITZ (Brooklyn Boro Prez), know this...
I saw him this morning on our local WNBC4 station. He taped a piece last night in his office. He said it was a sad, sad say for BROOKLYN, and the only way that the HOF could make it a little better was to vote to induct GIL HODGES. He said he remembers how much it hurt back then, and how the HOF action of today reminds us how much it still hurts.
Once in awhile my friend, Marty, comes up a winner by saying what needs to be said.
c.
metfan13
12-04-2007, 06:41 AM
For everyone who wrote to MARTY MARKOWITZ (Brooklyn Boro Prez), know this...
I saw him this morning on our local WNBC4 station. He taped a piece last night in his office. He said it was a sad, sad say for BROOKLYN, and the only way that the HOF could make it a little better was to vote to induct GIL HODGES. He said he remembers how much it hurt back then, and how the HOF action of today reminds us how much it still hurts.
Once in awhile my friend, Marty, comes up a winner by saying what needs to be said.
c.
Is Gil still on the veteran's ballot voted on by the hall of fame players or has he been moved to the vet committee that will vote next year on older players?
metfan13
12-04-2007, 06:44 AM
Checked the HoF board. Looks like Gil remains on tbe more current list to be voted on by the HoF players. Don't know if that's better or worse?
hammer44
12-04-2007, 08:33 AM
He was a businessman. His success in LA proves he knew what he was doing.
Brooklyn may have been profitable, LA was that a few times over.
From a financial standpoint you are correct. This was also true of the move of the Braves out of Boston. Does that make it morally right?
Teams ask their community to support them in many ways. Most ask for tax payer handouts in the form of roads, etc. They attempt to sell their team as being part of the community and yes in most cases those business ventures known as professional baseball clubs become part of us. We live and breath the players names. We venture to ballpark and pay $6.00 for a beer. So for me it is more than business, it about a relationship and a bond with the people that pay your bills and make your business a success.
Clearly O'Malley was determined to leave Brooklyn. His stadium excuse was an exit ticket to the left coast promiseland. If a stadium was an issue how did Shea Stadium happen so quickly. The issue was not about a stadium it was about his desire to be the only club in a big LA market. He was a nomad and had zero loyality to Brooklyn and their fan base. He broke his bond with Dodger faithful, he was the problem and not the solution. Shame on the HOF!
EdTarbusz
12-04-2007, 08:44 AM
Clearly O'Malley was determined to leave Brooklyn. His stadium excuse was an exit ticket to the left coast promiseland. If a stadium was an issue how did Shea Stadium happen so quickly. The issue was not about a stadium it was about his desire to be the only club in a big LA market. !
The issue was about a stadium in Brooklyn, and about O'Malley building his own stadium, rather than leasing one from the city.
From a financial standpoint you are correct. This was also true of the move of the Braves out of Boston. Does that make it morally right?
Teams ask their community to support them in many ways. Most ask for tax payer handouts in the form of roads, etc. They attempt to sell their team as being part of the community and yes in most cases those business ventures known as professional baseball clubs become part of us. We live and breath the players names. We venture to ballpark and pay $6.00 for a beer. So for me it is more than business, it about a relationship and a bond with the people that pay your bills and make your business a success.
Clearly O'Malley was determined to leave Brooklyn. His stadium excuse was an exit ticket to the left coast promiseland. If a stadium was an issue how did Shea Stadium happen so quickly. The issue was not about a stadium it was about his desire to be the only club in a big LA market. He was a nomad and had zero loyality to Brooklyn and their fan base. He broke his bond with Dodger faithful, he was the problem and not the solution. Shame on the HOF!
I am still going to disagree with the "it was a good business move." Some of the franchise moves were good business moves like the Braves from Boston, St Louis Browns, Philadelphia A's, etc. Those were cases of the market not being able to support the team and history bore that out. I keep going back to the fact that the Mets, (a team without the history that the Dodgers had in Brooklyn and would have continued to have had if they stayed) are worth more financially, just in terms of straightup finances, I think the Dodgers had they stayed would be worth more today than they are. Its not like the left Milwaukee.
dodger dynamo
12-04-2007, 01:35 PM
pete I was a litte older than the kid in the picture, but that's how I felt. It gave me a laugh. which was something I needed yesterday. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo p.s the kid looks a little like rusty from the danny thomas show.
The Commissioner
12-04-2007, 08:51 PM
I am genuinely shocked that Hodges is on the outside and O'Malley is in. This is like a bad "Twilight Zone" episode.
dodger dynamo
12-04-2007, 09:39 PM
commissioner your right, I can just see vin scully dressed like serling doing the voice over narration. don rickles is playing bavasi's part. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
A question.
Is it public knowledge who the 3 members of Committee are, who voted against Walter O' Malley being voted into the HOF?
Whoever these 3 members are, they definitely need to be separated from the other 9 individuals.
Dodgerfan1
12-05-2007, 06:11 AM
A question.
Is it public knowledge who the 3 members of Committee are, who voted against Walter O' Malley being voted into the HOF?
Whoever these 3 members are, they definitely need to be separated from the other 9 individuals.
I agree with this, not just for the O'Malley vote, but for any lousy enshrinement decision. There should be some sort of veto in place or, at the very least, an appeals process. I believe many of the idiots who vote would be the baseball equivalent of the San Francisco 9th circuit Court of Appeals, which is the most overturned court in the country.
DODGER DEB
12-05-2007, 06:31 AM
A question.
Is it public knowledge who the 3 members of Committee are, who voted against Walter O' Malley being voted into the HOF?
Whoever these 3 members are, they definitely need to be separated from the other 9 individuals.
I am already on this, D6+! I must tell you, though, that it is extremely difficult to get this information. The HOF likes to keep it confidential. But, I will pull as many strings as I need to to get these three names, if it's possible to get them. I, like many of you, want to know the three people in that group that actually weren't "bought off".
Keep your fingers crossed.:crossfingers:
c.
DODGER DEB
12-05-2007, 06:35 AM
I am genuinely shocked that Hodges is on the outside and O'Malley is in. This is like a bad "Twilight Zone" episode.
That is putting it mildy, Commish!
My Royal Blue/White blood is still boiling! :rant: :dismay: :evil
c.
Mattingly
12-05-2007, 09:26 AM
I am genuinely shocked that Hodges is on the outside and O'Malley is in. This is like a bad "Twilight Zone" episode.
You are not the only one, my friend! From the ultimate baseball fan in the NY/NJ area, who genuinely speaks for the regular Joe & Jane Baseball Fan, here's 80-something sports cartoonist Bill Gallo of the NY Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/05/gallo05.gif
I'd grown up only knowing of Gil Hodges as I used to ride my bike near Holy Cross Cemetery as a kid and heard that's where Gil Hodges was buried. It was then I'd heard a little bit about him, but near PS 181 on New York Ave (just a few blocks from the southern entrance of HC Cemetery), we loved our softball, a few of us had our cards with the stale pink bubble gum, but at least we had some fun! :D
I agree with this, not just for the O'Malley vote, but for any lousy enshrinement decision. There should be some sort of veto in place or, at the very least, an appeals process. I believe many of the idiots who vote would be the baseball equivalent of the San Francisco 9th circuit Court of Appeals, which is the most overturned court in the country.
I'm not sure what the best course of action when a highly questionable candidate gets the necessary amount of votes. Something though should have been done to provide checks and balances in order to maintain the credibility of what I formerly viewed as the HOF.
I am already on this, D6+! I must tell you, though, that it is extremely difficult to get this information. The HOF likes to keep it confidential. But, I will pull as many strings as I need to to get these three names, if it's possible to get them. I, like many of you, want to know the three people in that group that actually weren't "bought off".
Keep your fingers crossed.:crossfingers:
c.
DODGER DEB, thanks for your continued efforts.
W/o question the 3 people who voted No deserve to have their reputations maintained. The other 9 are a disgrace to the game of baseball.
I'm not sure if one or more of the other 9 individuals were bought off and/ or they strictly fell for the propaganda campaign done by those who wanted Walter O' Malley to have the necessary amount of votes. Though accepting a bribe is a more serious charge, either way they proved totally irresponsible. In essence, turning the institution into the Baseball Hall of Shame Museum.
You are not the only one, my friend! From the ultimate baseball fan in the NY/NJ area, who genuinely speaks for the regular Joe & Jane Baseball Fan, here's 80-something sports cartoonist Bill Gallo of the NY Daily News:
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/05/gallo05.gif
I'd grown up only knowing of Gil Hodges as I used to ride my bike near Holy Cross Cemetery as a kid and heard that's where Gil Hodges was buried. It was then I'd heard a little bit about him, but near PS 181 on New York Ave (just a few blocks from the southern entrance of HC Cemetery), we loved our softball, a few of us had our cards with the stale pink bubble gum, but at least we had some fun! :D
Mattingly, thanks to you and the others for sharing the various cartoons. A picture often says 1000 words. This is certainly the case with this Bill Gallo cartoon.
DODGER DEB
12-05-2007, 12:34 PM
DODGER DEB, thanks for your continued efforts.
W/o question the 3 people who voted No deserve to have their reputations maintained. The other 9 are a disgrace to the game of baseball.
I'm not sure if one or more of the other 9 individuals were bought off and/ or they strictly fell for the propaganda campaign done by those who wanted Walter O' Malley to have the necessary amount of votes. Though accepting a bribe is a more serious charge, either way they proved totally irresponsible. In essence, turning the institution into the Baseball Hall of Shame Museum.
You are welcome, D6+. What I try to do I do in the name of all loyal and true BROOKLYN DODGER FANS.
Oh, D6+, no one would ever be as blatant as what you describe! The subtlety that is used in MLB circles would blow one's mind. That is why it is so difficult to prove. But, make no mistake, it has existed for a very long time.
What infuriates me no end, is that they couldn't leave US (LOYAL BROOKLYN DODGER FANS) with the dignity WE so deserve and have earned. Instead, those nine horrible creatures had to administer the last and hardest slap to swallow.
c.
Mattingly
12-05-2007, 01:01 PM
Mattingly, thanks to you and the others for sharing the various cartoons. A picture often says 1000 words. This is certainly the case with this Bill Gallo cartoon.
I thank you very much. I appreciate this, and had only happened across the Gallo toon when I'd noted its great relevance to the HoF vote. :)
You are welcome, D6+. What I try to do I do in the name of all loyal and true BROOKLYN DODGER FANS.
Oh, D6+, no one would ever be as blatant as what you describe! The subtlety that is used in MLB circles would blow one's mind. That is why it is so difficult to prove. But, make no mistake, it has existed for a very long time.
What infuriates me no end, is that they couldn't leave US (LOYAL BROOKLYN DODGER FANS) with the dignity WE so deserve and have earned. Instead, those nine horrible creatures had to administer the last and hardest slap to swallow.
c.
DODGER DEB, I think you hit on the essence of why Brooklyn Dodgers fans remain deeply disturbed.
It's bad enough that another team uses the name Dodgers name, team colors, logo, and history.
It's bad enough that Brooklyn still doesn't have a MLB team. Despite what MLB and many others want us to accept, the New York Mets aren't a replacement team for the Brooklyn Dodgers. They never will be. They can build an exact replica of Ebbets Field in the Shea Stadium parking lot and that still wouldn't come remotely close to returning MLB to Brooklyn.
Now, on top of everything else, Walter O' Malley was voted into what has become the Hall of Shame. With the induction " ceremony " taking place in NY State.
There has never been a fan base in the history of pro sports that has been shown less respect by those who run a sport than the Brooklyn Dodgers fan base. This despite the fact that on the very high traffic BBF web site, the Brooklyn Dodgers rank # 3 in terms of the amount of posts........ in terms of the team sites. Only the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox have more posts. Considering the Brooklyn Dodgers haven't played a game since late September, 1957, this speaks volumes about the popularity of the Brooklyn Dodgers.
I thank you very much. I appreciate this, and had only happened across the Gallo toon when I'd noted its great relevance to the HoF vote. :)
I've always enjoyed the work of Bill Gallo. He's someone who has always had an excellent grasp of the past and the present.
EdTarbusz
12-06-2007, 07:34 PM
My guess as to who voted against:
Bobby Brown
Monte Irvin
Andy MacPhail
Mattingly
12-07-2007, 02:27 PM
I've always enjoyed the work of Bill Gallo. He's someone who has always had an excellent grasp of the past and the present.
After he'd had that "Who's a Bum" cartoon after the 1955 season, he definitely had a following. He's always had great work and he reads the papers. Very good sports writer also, and he's in the Boxing Hall of Fame.
If I come across any more by Gallo, I'll post it. :)
Mattingly
12-08-2007, 01:44 AM
I'm unsure if it was ever posted here or not, but from Tuesday's NY Daily News, a Pete Hamill article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/04/amd_alston.jpg
Baseball Hall of Fame opens doors for former Dodger owner Walter O'Malley (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/12/04/2007-12-04_baseball_hall_of_fame_opens_doors_for_fo.html)
Forget the dithering about Barry Bonds. Send apologies to Pete Rose. Warm up a place for Shoeless Joe Jackson. All moral arguments about who belongs in Cooperstown are over forever. Walter O'Malley has been voted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
I know, I know: The thing about the Dodgers and Brooklyn was a long time ago. Several generations of fans have grown up in the 50 years since O'Malley moved the Dodgers to Los Angeles and they don't really care.
Scholars have made cases that O'Malley had no recourse, that the true villain was Robert Moses, that New York and the rest of the country were being transformed by television, blah and blah and blah.
But there are millions of us who still subscribe to an almost biblical injunction: Never forgive, never forget.
They included my father. He was an immigrant from Northern Ireland who did not become an American by reading the Federalist Papers. He became an American by reading the sports pages of the Daily News.
His James Madison was Dick Young. His team was the Brooklyn Dodgers, and most of all, the team that played together 10 years after Jack Roosevelt Robinson, No. 42, first walked onto the sweet grass of Ebbets Field.
There were hundreds of thousands of others like him: Jews from the shtetls of Eastern Europe, Italians from Sicily and Naples and Calabria, Poles who came as displaced persons after the war. They became Americans by embracing the secular religion of baseball.
After the spring of 1947, the descendants of those Africans who came to thecountry in manacles were also partofthe alloy in the bleacher. This is America, baby.
They roared together when Robinson stole home or Reese turned the double play. They wept together when the goddamned Yankees won again in the World Series.
If they could not get to Ebbets Field, they followed the games in this paper, reading it each morning on the subways from back to front.
They argued in thousands of bars, in shipyards, factories and construction sites, at American Legion posts and at parades.
Baseball was one of the great factors that unified Brooklyn, as it did for almost everybody else in the larger city.
Ethnicity and religion didn't matter as much as coming out of the subway, hurrying home and asking someone with a radio: "How are they doing?" In Brooklyn, you never had to ask who "they" were.
Together we had the great Series of 1955, when they finally beat the goddamned Yankees. But the Boys of Summer (as Roger Kahn called them later) were growing older, evoking the line from Yeats: "What made us dream that he could comb grey hair?"
There were rumors of departure, but most of us laughed them off. How could there ever be a Brooklyn without the Dodgers? It was like trying to imagine New York without the Statue of Liberty.
I was in the Navy in Pensacola, Fla., in 1953, where a few black sailor friends took me to a club near New Orleans where I first saw Little Richard. I was the only white guy in the joint.
Some customers were uneasy. When word got around that I was from Brooklyn, all tension evaporated. There were hugs and handshakes. The Dodgers had millions of fans in the American South, too, because of Robinson and Campanella and Newcombe and the righteous white men who played with them.
Then O'Malley took them on the lam. I was in Mexico, studying on the GI Bill, when the tale of departure got serious. I came home in the late summer of 1957 and my father was a ruin. He wouldn't watch any of the remaining games and cursed O'Malley whenever the name came up.
He wasn't alone. For some of those people who roared and cheered, the hurt would last a lifetime. Many felt like naive fools. Baseball wasn't a secular religion after all.
It was a business, as cold as any business. That disillusion was permanent. Some became Knicks fans, because they could never root for the Yankees and the Giants were gone, too. Others felt the connection to Brooklyn was an illusion and began to move away.
Today, not many remain alive, or they are living in Florida or Arizona. I can hear them cursing at this dreadful news. And muttering, as I am: Never forgive, never forget.
Yankeebiscuitfan
12-08-2007, 02:44 AM
One thing is still not clear to me, after all these years.
How became O'Malley president of the Dodgers. I know that he was brought in as attorney.
Let me put it this way. Why did Branch Rickey sell his stocks to this guy?
Does anybody know?
EdTarbusz
12-08-2007, 07:38 AM
One thing is still not clear to me, after all these years.
How became O'Malley president of the Dodgers. I know that he was brought in as attorney.
Let me put it this way. Why did Branch Rickey sell his stocks to this guy?
Does anybody know?
O'Malley became President of the Dodgers because he was the majority shareholder in the team after he puchased John Smith's shares from the Smith estate. This left Branch Rickey as little more than a figurehead.
DODGER DEB
12-08-2007, 07:45 AM
I'm unsure if it was ever posted here or not, but from Tuesday's NY Daily News, a Pete Hamill article:
http://www.nydailynews.com/img/2007/12/04/amd_alston.jpg
Baseball Hall of Fame opens doors for former Dodger owner Walter O'Malley (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2007/12/04/2007-12-04_baseball_hall_of_fame_opens_doors_for_fo.html)
Matt, I posted PETE's article under a separate thread titled, PETE HAMILL: NEVER FORGIVE & NEVER FORGET.
I posted it on Tuesday, the day it was published.
c.
dodger dynamo
12-08-2007, 06:40 PM
Rickey owned 25 percent. o'malley owned a significant amount of stock, when john l smith died the word goes he told mrs. smith to put her shares under the guardianship, control, of the brooklyn trust company, which he practically owned, ultimately buying them, probably for a song. I've read several different things on this,the other thing was he bought them outright. john l smith was siding with o'malley of late, but rickey was successfully guiding the team, john l smith lives, more than likely rickey continues. with o'malley in charge, he was not going to re-new rickey's contract. so in effect rickey had shares in a company which wasn't earning spendable cash and he couldn't take a job which the pirates were offering, because of the conflict of interest. also he would have no say whatsoever over the club any way. without going into the details. rickey got more out of o'malley than the stock was worth because of a clause in his contract, about a 3rd party buyer. I believe the sum was a million. o'malley never forgave rickey. which the mahatma, probably could have cared less about. minutes from one of the later stock holder meetings reveals o'malley was the controlling stock holder, but smith and mckeever families together both still at least on paper owned almost, but not quite as much as o'malley. battlin bake, the dodger dynamo
callingit
12-08-2007, 07:20 PM
Roger Kahn, Dave Anderson of the Times, and Jimmy Breslin all agree that O'Malley deserves to be in the Hall for pioneering baseball's move to the West Coast. The 'three to one in favor' seems to be prevalent among all the baseball veterans of their day, and the $200,000 'gift' the O'Malley family donated to the HoF may have indeed helped sway the scales. Only the voters know for sure.
So Judgement Day has come for Walter F. O'Malley, and he has been exonerated. It makes sense his trial be held in Los Angeles, where criminals of celebrity have their reputations bejeweled and not besmirched, and now he will be inducted instead of incarcerated. Had the O'Malley trial taken place in Brooklyn, the iron trusses of the abandoned Parachute Jump would've made a fitting gallows come execution day. Greed, betrayal and conspiracy are not the qualities of an inmate, but the rather the recipe of the successful. We are the naive, the surprised, the heartbroken, because we believe in a better place and better people. Let's face facts, though: More bad things happen in life than good, and the bad guys win more often than the good guys do.
So now in this clash of the titans there are two winners, O'Malley and Moses, who both got exactly what they wanted while the faithful and starry-eyed got screwed. Again. As history is written by the victors, we can only wonder how the legend and the lie will grow and distort itself over the next fifty or one hundred years, knowing the tale will spin faster than a twelve year-old gatejumper eluding a policeman's capture on McKeever Street.
Each discovery of a ‘new truth’ will shred away another layer of reality, until the facts and fictions are no more believable and no less true than those of the Kennedy assassination. And therein lies the tragedy, for the Brooklyn Dodgers were the Camelot of the common man and woman and Ebbets Field itself was the round table of baseball--where the Dukes of Flatbush (and Pee Wees and Carls and Jackies and Roys) were equally beloved and the visiting villains were treated with equal disdain. The Camelots of Kings and Kennedy ended in tragedy, and now Brooklyn's Camelot has it's own tragic, befitting, unwanted end.
But for one brief, shining moment, there was a fleeting wisp of glory...
strummer
12-09-2007, 07:07 AM
Yes, he got in the HOF. But now the Hall of Fame can no longer deny membership or at least the place on the ballot to those of low moral fiber, for the man with the lowest level of morality is now a member. His fraud and evil conniving ways should have kept him off the ballot, just as those type of characteristics (as alleged, and not even proven) have kept Shoeless Joe off the ballot, and Pete Rose (in this case it is proven, but it is proven in O'Malley's case also) off the ballot. No longer may Baseball through its spokesperson, the Hall of Fame, claim that one of the criteria to be judeged is high moral fibre and a credit to the institution of Baseball.
And maybe the man of, maybe, the highest moral fibre, and also of HOF achievements in other baseball facets, is better off and stands firm and taller as not succoming to memebrship and grouping with such as O'Malley. Yes, GIL HODGES stand separately and taller.
metfan13
12-09-2007, 08:52 AM
Yes, he got in the HOF. But now the Hall of Fame can no longer deny membership or at least the place on the ballot to those of low moral fiber, for the man with the lowest level of morality is now a member. His fraud and evil conniving ways should have kept him off the ballot, just as those type of characteristics (as alleged, and not even proven) have kept Shoeless Joe off the ballot, and Pete Rose (in this case it is proven, but it is proven in O'Malley's case also) off the ballot. No longer may Baseball through its spokesperson, the Hall of Fame, claim that one of the criteria to be judeged is high moral fibre and a credit to the institution of Baseball.
And maybe the man of, maybe, the highest moral fibre, and also of HOF achievements in other baseball facets, is better off and stands firm and taller as not succoming to memebrship and grouping with such as O'Malley. Yes, GIL HODGES stand separately and taller.
It has nothing to do with moral fiber. Jackson and Rose were specifically accused of breaking a specific rule. It wasn't that they didn't hold doors open for ladies, they bet on games or conspired to throw games. O'Malley broke no baseball rules.
MetFan two quick points:
Shoeless Joe was on the ballot for many years he just never got voted in. The ban on players who were ban from the game from being inducted into the hall of fame was passed after Rose was tossed from the game, so when he accepted the ban that rule wasn't in place.
But if O'Malley gets in how can Mark McGwire be kept out. There was no rule against roids until after the 02 season, he did a lot for the popularity of the game too.
It has nothing to do with moral fiber. Jackson and Rose were specifically accused of breaking a specific rule. It wasn't that they didn't hold doors open for ladies, they bet on games or conspired to throw games. O'Malley broke no baseball rules.
Makes sense, you can't keep someone out , because they broke a few million hearts
metfan13
12-09-2007, 03:46 PM
Makes sense, you can't keep someone out , because they broke a few million hearts
Not really. And look how many happy fans have attended his games in LA.
Todd Anderson
12-10-2007, 11:46 AM
I just saw a short YouTube piece on the Dodgers in which Dave Anderson of the New York Times stated:
"You know, Walter O'Malley in Brooklyn today is still as reviled a figure as Hitler or Stalin."
From what I've read in my short tenure to this site, I'd bet most Brooklyn fans would say he was being too hard on Hitler and Stalin. (grin)
You can view the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1HUlmHcdsE
DODGER DEB
12-10-2007, 12:28 PM
I just saw a short YouTube piece on the Dodgers in which Dave Anderson of the New York Times stated:
"You know, Walter O'Malley in Brooklyn today is still as reviled a figure as Hitler or Stalin."
From what I've read in my short tenure to this site, I'd bet most Brooklyn fans would say he was being too hard on Hitler and Stalin. (grin)
You can view the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1HUlmHcdsE
Dave Anderson has picked up on what Pete Hamill and Jack Neufield (both first class journalists and Brooklyn Dodger Fans) said over 35 years ago...and it is still a true statement!
c.
I just saw a short YouTube piece on the Dodgers in which Dave Anderson of the New York Times stated:
"You know, Walter O'Malley in Brooklyn today is still as reviled a figure as Hitler or Stalin."
From what I've read in my short tenure to this site, I'd bet most Brooklyn fans would say he was being too hard on Hitler and Stalin. (grin)
You can view the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1HUlmHcdsE
Whenever the O'M is written about here in the most unfaltering way I have a feeling the S.O.B is laughing at us, he got all that he wanted and more in 1957, and no matter what we say, or do we still lost our team forever.
Whenever the O'M is written about here in the most unfaltering way I have a feeling the S.O.B is laughing at us, he got all that he wanted and more in 1957, and no matter what we say, or do we still lost our team forever.
I don't thing there is laughter where he is. But it depends on what your point of view is I guess...
I don't thing there is laughter where he is. But it depends on what your point of view is I guess...
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/csk/csk161/oddballs-business-business-metaphors-characters-devil-funny-~-ks6815.jpg
donzblock
12-13-2007, 06:41 AM
Roger Kahn, Dave Anderson of the Times, and Jimmy Breslin all agree that O'Malley deserves to be in the Hall for pioneering baseball's move to the West Coast. The 'three to one in favor' seems to be prevalent among all the baseball veterans of their day, and the $200,000 'gift' the O'Malley family donated to the HoF may have indeed helped sway the scales. Only the voters know for sure.
So Judgement Day has come for Walter F. O'Malley, and he has been exonerated. It makes sense his trial be held in Los Angeles, where criminals of celebrity have their reputations bejeweled and not besmirched, and now he will be inducted instead of incarcerated. Had the O'Malley trial taken place in Brooklyn, the iron trusses of the abandoned Parachute Jump would've made a fitting gallows come execution day. Greed, betrayal and conspiracy are not the qualities of an inmate, but the rather the recipe of the successful. We are the naive, the surprised, the heartbroken, because we believe in a better place and better people. Let's face facts, though: More bad things happen in life than good, and the bad guys win more often than the good guys do.
So now in this clash of the titans there are two winners, O'Malley and Moses, who both got exactly what they wanted while the faithful and starry-eyed got screwed. Again. As history is written by the victors, we can only wonder how the legend and the lie will grow and distort itself over the next fifty or one hundred years, knowing the tale will spin faster than a twelve year-old gatejumper eluding a policeman's capture on McKeever Street.
Each discovery of a ‘new truth’ will shred away another layer of reality, until the facts and fictions are no more believable and no less true than those of the Kennedy assassination. And therein lies the tragedy, for the Brooklyn Dodgers were the Camelot of the common man and woman and Ebbets Field itself was the round table of baseball--where the Dukes of Flatbush (and Pee Wees and Carls and Jackies and Roys) were equally beloved and the visiting villains were treated with equal disdain. The Camelots of Kings and Kennedy ended in tragedy, and now Brooklyn's Camelot has it's own tragic, befitting, unwanted end.
But for one brief, shining moment, there was a fleeting wisp of glory...
Our new poet laureate: all in favor say, "Aye!"
Aye.
DODGER DEB
03-25-2008, 04:58 PM
To those of you who posted comments on this thread a few months ago when WE learned of yet another heinous sin against OUR BROOKLYN DODGERS, I thought you might be interested in this article just posted by the AP.
Today, the Hall of Shame in Cooperstown, "let go" the genius that has been running it for the past several years, Dale Petroskey. He was asked to "step down" because the executive committee found that he "failed to exercise proper fiduciary responsibility".
Anyone care to take a guess at what that might include?
Hall president steps down after executive committee findings
March 25, 2008, 6:09 PM ET
COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- Dale Petroskey resigned Tuesday as president of the baseball Hall of Fame after its board's executive committee found he "failed to exercise proper fiduciary responsibility."
The Hall's executive committee said it found there were "other business judgments that were not in the best interest of the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum."
The Hall did not detail Petroskey's actions. Spokesman Brad Horn said the executive committee believed they weren't criminal and that he did not benefit personally from them.
Petroskey, who grew up in Michigan and worked as an usher at Tiger Stadium, joined the Hall in July 1999.
"I serve at the pleasure of the board, and accept the judgment of the executive committee," Petroskey said in a statement issued by the Hall.
Petroskey was in the office Tuesday when the decision was reached.
Former Yankees media relations director Jeff Idelson was appointed acting president. Idelson joined the Hall as director of public relations and promotions in 1994 and has been vice president for communications and education since 1999.
Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press
c.
You guys better not watch the Lasorda interview on MLB.com
Man, does he lay it on thick.
And all this year will be the celebration of 50 years in LA.
Man..........I hate Lasorda
Lpeters199
05-11-2008, 10:32 AM
The slimeball got into the Hall of Fame....we'll have to make sure we're there to make this a most distasteful day for all those imbeciles who did this to us.
The Hall of Fame should be reserved for players only--the guys who did it on the field. Bad enough to include writers, managers and executives, but O'Malley?! Click on this link to see how a rich man got richer. I'd like to see this picture next to his HOF plaque.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cityprojectca/832179286/
Shotgun Shuba
05-11-2008, 04:46 PM
I am not sure how I feel about Eminent Domain. Obviously, if it's happening to you it stinks. In seeing how close Chavez Ravine is to Downtown LA that land would have been taken soon anyway. Progress has a price but it would be nice if it wasn't one-sided. LA really sold their soul to get a team. Only they can say if it was worth it. Many times a husband will leave his devoted wife for a fetching mistress and never look back. Brooklyn fans, like the wife, deserved better.
DODGER DEB
05-13-2008, 09:12 AM
The Hall of Fame should be reserved for players only--the guys who did it on the field. Bad enough to include writers, managers and executives, but O'Malley?! Click on this link to see how a rich man got richer. I'd like to see this picture next to his HOF plaque.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cityprojectca/832179286/
You make an excellent point, Lpeters199, and btw, welcome to OUR Forum.
I have seen several of these photos taken during that awful time.
Perhaps one way to remind and refresh the memory of those here on the east coast, would be to send this link to many of the sportswriters still around, and suggest that they write a story on the weekend of this coming July, and run it with the photo and story attached. That will go a long way in bringing to the forefront, once again, of the personal greed of that man, and what he did not only loyal and true BROOKLYN DODGER FANS, but to many innocent people, just trying to live their lives. :dismay:
WE have been very succeful in getting OUR point across and OUR vocies heard in past writing campaigns.
c.
MATHA531
05-13-2008, 10:08 AM
I think this was the subject of a PBS documentary a couple of years ago...of course those partial to the personality who is the subject of this thread point out how the land wasn't just given to that person, rather it was an exchange of the land where Wrigley Field was located....of course when you ask why the same thing wasn't offered in Brooklyn...namely the exchange of the land where Ebbets Field was located to try to give some sort of legality to this land grab, those who are admirers of that person have no answer!
I think this was the subject of a PBS documentary a couple of years ago...of course those partial to the personality who is the subject of this thread point out how the land wasn't just given to that person, rather it was an exchange of the land where Wrigley Field was located....of course when you ask why the same thing wasn't offered in Brooklyn...namely the exchange of the land where Ebbets Field was located to try to give some sort of legality to this land grab, those who are admirers of that person have no answer!
Add to this the cost to build the Stadium at Chavez Ravine (I think thats what I supposed to call it) was approximately $22 million whereas the proposed Brooklyn Stadium was supposed to be somewhere in the $6 million range. Now whatever it would have costs to buy the land that O'Malley was supposedly eyeing I doubt it would have been $16 million.