Why is he always overlooked?

[Base On Balls]

Step out of the dugout with me and let's sit up in the bleachers with the fans for a moment. The Hall of Fame is all about impact players stepping up when a hero is needed. The 1992 Blue Jays were teeter-tottering between the first and second place in the Al East during mid-July, when a two-out single gave the Jays a 6 run lead in the bottom of the 6th inning versus the Detroit Tigers. This was the catalyst that drove the Jays to that second trophy. The man responsible:

Rance Mulliniks.

Rance batted .500 that year, and that single turned the city of Toronto into a community of believers. How could a man who batted .500 in the 1992 season not be considered worthy of Cooperstown? Speak on it.

[Hammerin Hank]

You're kidding, right?

[Base On Balls]

I wish I was, but the history has been written in stone. In 1984 he batted .324 with only 24 SO in 343 AB. That's incredible. He hit over .300 5 times in his career- more than many can say.

[Mulliganfan]

Originally posted by CubbieFan7
You're kidding, right?

[Base On Balls]

Huh?

[yellowdog]

Originally posted by Base On Balls


Rance batted .500 that year, and that single turned the city of Toronto into a community of believers. How could a man who batted .500 in the 1992 season not be considered worthy of Cooperstown? Speak on it.

You failed to mention that he only had two at bats that season and only one base hit. Not what most people would consider a career year.

He played 16 years in the majors and hit .272 with 73 HRs and 435 RBI. I don't think these numbers would translate into a HOF career by any stretch of the imagination. But you are entitled to your opinion, I just don't think many people will agree with you, other than perhaps Don Sutton, who could never get him out.

And by the way, welcome to Baseball Fever.

[Hammerin Hank]

Hey, after we put Rance Mulliniks in let's put Joel Youngblood in! Then of course we have to include Roy Howell....

[Mulliganfan]

Originally posted by Base On Balls
Huh?

I was in complete agreement with CubbieFan7, basically.

Sorry to be rude, welcome to BBF!:)

[Base On Balls]

Nothing personal, fellow fans. You raise interesting arguments, but I'll still fight to see him inducted. He's not only a stalwart in the field of baseball, but he is a distinguished gentleman as well, and no amount of money can buy that, comprende?

[Hammerin Hank]

So he's in just because he's a nice guy?

[Steffo]

Lol, let's elect the next nobel peace award winner!

[bluezebra]

Originally posted by Steffo
Lol, let's elect the next nobel piece award winner!

Piece of what? PEACE, maybe?

Bob

[The Commissioner]

Originally posted by yellowdog
You failed to mention that he only had two at bats that season and only one base hit. Not what most people would consider a career year.


Yes, but by using Sabermetrics and incorporating Bill James' analyses including win shares, park factors, wind chill factors, etc., Mulliniks' pro-rated readjusted stats translate into a .790 batting average over his career with 1897 home runs in 8798 at bats. That to me is a Hall of Fame career, my friend.

[Steffo]

Originally posted by bluezebra
Piece of what? PEACE, maybe?

Bob

Yes, I meant PEACE.

[Steffo]

Originally posted by The Commissioner
Yes, but by using Sabermetrics and incorporating Bill James' analyses including win shares, park factors, wind chill factors, etc., Mulliniks' pro-rated readjusted stats translate into a .790 batting average over his career with 1897 home runs in 8798 at bats. That to me is a Hall of Fame career, my friend.


Thank you, I have been waiting for someone to bash on Bill James!

[Hammerin Hank]

Well of course it doens't work if you only get two at bats.

[Base On Balls]

No, I think the Commissioner's on to something. Mulliniks should have made it this year, seeing as how no one else was capable enough.

And again, I am not joking.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Originally posted by Base On Balls
No, I think the Commissioner's on to something. Mulliniks should have made it this year, seeing as how no one else was capable enough.

And again, I am not joking.

No one else was capable enough? Eddie Murray and Gary Carter were elected.

The Commisioner is on an anti-Bill James soapbox, which he is more than entitled to stand on.

A guy who never really was a full-time player (and Mulliniks only had ober 300 AB and 400 PA on a couple occasions) hardly has a place on the ballot, let alone the HOF itself.

We all have our personal and sentimental favorites who weren't exactly superstars. I was a big Johnny Wockenfuss fan growing up. And he's a helluva guy. But if I was to say he is HOF worthy it would not only be laughable, but would cause me to lose any respect I would have as someone who claims to know something about baseball.

[Steffo]

No, acording to Bill James, he needs, weight factor, hight factor, chicken soup eating factor, and chess playing factor. That gets him up to a .970 Batting average with 2089 homers and 9000 rbis with 17000 hits. Wow!

[Base On Balls]

Hey! Hey!

Rance would NEVER put up ex-girlfriend's names on bathroom walls! Why are you trying to defame one of the nicest and most talented players to play the America's beloved national pasttime? He never did anything to hurt anyone! He even had Don Sutton perplexed! Spelling his name backwards is just silly, and I seriously doubt it would have helped him in the HOF selection process. But, you're entitled to your opinion.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Not Don Sutton!!!


Hey Hay Fever, I don't know what great numbers you were referring to? I called one of those numbers, and let me tell you, it was hardly even good.

B on B, if your dad said a third-place finish in 1988 was the Blue Jays's best team, he must not have thought much of the 1985 team that won the division and the 1987 team that just barely got edged out by Detroit.

[PopTop]

Originally posted by Base On Balls
And again, I am not joking.

Do the doctors at the hospital know you're using their computers when you're really supposed to be knitting a new straight jacket for yourself? :hp I'll have someone come by and change the dressing on your head, maybe this time change it to Thousand Island, or would you prefer Ranch?

[Sandman]

1-2 and a .500 BA?
People do better than that in an everyday game.

[Markus58]

Mulliniks should have made it this year, seeing as how no one else was capable enough
B on B,

Welcome to this Forum. Your passion for Rance Mulliniks and all things Bue Jay are commended, however your treched-in position reminds me of that great one liner by Steve Martin ... "Yeah, I remember my first beer."

To suggest that Mulliniks and his one hit in 1992 against Detroit galvanized a team and a whole city into a championship stretch run is to devalue all the excellent individual performances that came after that game. It may play out that way in your head, and in the family room with Pop, but that's not how real life is. Comprende, vu?

And although I think you know this, the Jays were driving to their first trophy in 1992, not their second.

A word of advice, take it for what you will ... your audience here is by and large impressively studied and well-seasoned. Not on a dare would I tout a decent utility player of yore as HOF material, unless I was a glutton for abuse. Foreward is forearmed.

[Sandman]

He may have had a shot if he actually did bat .500 in 1992, but he did not qualify: 400 ABs are needed.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Hay Fever
Is that REALLY necessary, Pop Top? I have read some of your posts that indicate that you are a highly intelligent person. You're a teacher. You have the good taste to quote from people that are admirable, such as Red Smith. You are an admirer of Smith's writings. You tried to organize a boycott on the advertisers that bought time on that radio station in Arizona that had made that horrendous phone call to the widow of that St. Louis pitcher.

Now, this.

I happen to agree with you, that Mullinicks doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame, but when I used humor in my previous post on this thread, I used humor that was outrageous, possibly even "obnoxious", but certainly not cruel.

You used humor that was cruel, and I don't mean necessarily to "Base On Balls", either. It's cruel to the millions of Americans who suffer from mental illnesses of one kind or another, some of whom happen to use this board (I am one "example" of this). Mental illness is one of the most common illnesses America and in the world as a whole, as well. In fact, it is right up there in numbers with cancer and heart disease, and I have read the data from many sources that back that up.

With the high percentage, odds are you have offended at least a few users of this board. I happen to be one of them. I have terrible depression, and HAVE been hospitalized for it on a psychiatric unit.

My brother suffers from paranoid schizophrenia, which is even worse. He hears voices. He is suffering greatly. He is a kind, gentle and funny man who is also my best friend.

I am really disappointed seeing a person who I think (and still think) highly of in terms of class and being well-read and educated would resort to stigmatizing, hurtful comments such as that one. I STILL think highly of you, but the comment was rather ignorant and surprising, especially coming from you. I wouldn't expect a comment such as that coming from you, Pop Top, nor would I expect something such as that coming from "Commissioner" "Baseballwise", "Trosmok", "Chancellor" or any other of the numerous people on this board who I consider thinking people and who I have high regards for, and I'd be just as disappointed if they did so, as well. :gt
ive never seen somebody criticize somebody else's criticizm for that long.

[razors]

Originally posted by Hay Fever:
"...but when I used humor in my previous post on this thread, I used humor that was outrageous, possibly even "obnoxious", but certainly not cruel. "

Hmmm really...so tell me why the following couldn't be described as cruel or at the very least disparaging to those of diminutive stature?
"Rance Mullinicks was overlooked for the same reason that Eddie Gaedel, Harry Chappas, and Freddie Patek were overlooked: They simply came up SHORT. " opines hay fever...

...and to those with different political views?
"THAT, or it's a Communist conspirisy. One or the other." says hay fever...

...you also chose not to use base on balls' moniker:
"Don't get me wrong, Walk. Rance Mullinicks definitely put up great numbers." so sayeth hay fever...

and ended with this gem!?
“The only problem was that the numbers that he put up were ex-girlfriends' PHONE numbers on Men's room walls. " states the allergied one



here's my take:
none of the above is offensive to me, nor was pop tops' strait-jacket quip (hey where's bluezebra correcting the usage of straight instead of strait?) - but all could be considered cruel to a particular demographic (especially the 4'6" Marxist who used to date one of Mullnicks girlfriends) but try not to be so sensitive with respect to offhanded remarks not intended to offend - especially if you're posts are not exemplary...


NOW! the good bit; why are so many posters taking the premise of this thread at all seriously? this is one of the better 'wind-ups' i've seen in a good while...and still ten days to april 1st...



razors

[J W]

BOB, I for one respecfully choose not to believe your earnestness.

But I would say this: by the very nature of statistics, that they teach you in statistics 101, averages mean next to nothing when the sample pool is tiny (say, two at-bats). Averages mean everything when the sample pool is enormous (say, 8000 at-bats).

And batting average is an anti-Jamesian statistic.

[Base On Balls]

Razors,

You are an amazing person. I don't even think that Rance Mullinik's mom would vouch for him in a Cooperstown vote. The guy was not integral to anything, much less to baseball. I have a cult affiliation with the man based on his celestial name and his incredible mediocrity (some might even say sub par performance) on the diamond. I like to push people in my first appearance on a given forum to understand the character of the board and the limits of it's users. I now know that there is no room for sarcasm here, so i'll keep it staright honest from here on in (sprinkled with humour, because that's my nature). You guys know your stats and history, so there's pulling a fast one here!

[Captain Cold Nose]

There's plenty of room for sarcasm here. But no room for trying to insult our intelligence. This isn't Yahoo.

Welcome aboard, BOB. It was a good rib. Now let's see what you're really about. Celestial name??? :rolleyes:

[Markus58]

I like to push people in my first appearance on a given forum to understand the character of the board and the limits of it's users. I now know that there is no room for sarcasm here, so i'll keep it staright honest from here on in

Well how about that? Razors tracked this one from the crack of the bat and knew it was nothing more than a weak fly that barely made to the outfield. We should have listened. I guess I better cancel my Gene Larkin for the HOF campaign now.

Gee BOB, your impersonation of a reality challenged daddy's boy was eerilly good, as you probed our psyches and ultimately our tolerance levels for sophmoric lameness. Stand by for the high heat, meat. The honeymoon is officially over.

[razors]

Originally posted by Base On Balls:
"Razors, You are an amazing person. "



very kind but about as true as mullimiks being hof material :)

good 'mickey-take' b-o-b and welcome!



razors

[razors]

Originally posted by Hay Fever:
"Now, whatcha say that we make at least a token effort to be kind to each other, Razor?"

of course! :)


i'm sure you are equally sophisticated enough to realise that PT was not being literal when talking about "knitting" a strait-jacket or that he had the intent to offend mentally ill folks...

the point i was making is simply that people in glass houses should not throw stones; you appeared to be the judge and jury on what is tasteful, acceptable or funny - e.g. surely you're not saying that because you are short it's 'okay' to make fun of short people (as you did)?

i'm sure you're a nice chap and i had and have no desire to be nasty to you, just point out that if you want to post a screed on what is acceptable on this forum you should broaden your standards of what that means and then adhere to them yourself.

and i tell you what i like about this forum...it's about baseball (and this topic ain't)!!!!!


so, some baseball: is anyone else surprized that the big unit has only issued four intentional walks since the start of the 2000 season?


Take care Hay Fever,



razors

[Captain Cold Nose]

Originally posted by razors
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so, some baseball: is anyone else surprized that the big unit has only issued four intentional walks since the start of the 2000 season?



[/B]

I am shocked. I almost dropped my Faygo.

[bly11]

The problem is, if we put Rance in the Hall, we can only give him half a plaque. Garth Iorg gets the other half. :p

Taking it as seriously as it was meant to be taken,

[Captain Cold Nose]

Hey, it's Bly11. Good to see you, Bly.

[bly11]

Gracias, CCN. Good to be back.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Mulliniks was a career platoon player. It may have not been the best use of Blue Jay resources to platoon Mulliniks with Garth Iorg, but it may have been that Mullinks, while clearly the superior player, was not capable of holding down the entire job.

Rance MAY have had a better career if he had been given the 3B job and showed his stuff; he had on-base skills enough to justify a shot. It's academic, though; Kelly Gruber came along in 1988 and extinguished much of Rance's playing time.

He was a sabermetric oddity, but never a regular. That's not a HOFer. Manny Mota has a better HOF case.

[Captain Cold Nose]

Mulliniks was a career platoon player. It may have not been the best use of Blue Jay resources to platoon Mulliniks with Garth Iorg, but it may have been that Mullinks, while clearly the superior player, was not capable of holding down the entire job.

Rance MAY have had a better career if he had been given the 3B job and showed his stuff; he had on-base skills enough to justify a shot. It's academic, though; Kelly Gruber came along in 1988 and extinguished much of Rance's playing time.

He was a sabermetric oddity, but never a regular. That's not a HOFer. Manny Mota has a better HOF case.
This three-year-old thread was a joke, if you read it through. Please read through an entire thread if you're going to revive it after three years. Closing.