what happens to boras now?

[placount]

with the arod thing and rogers straight up firing him, has he lost some of his negotiating clout?

[slugger33]

Don't worry, he has a lot of other clients.

[Westlake]

He enjoys the 13 million he's getting from the A-Rod deal?

[dmase]

Boras hasn't lost anything. Think of all the players he represents. Even just in this free agent year, he had 2 of the best FAs, in A-rod and Andruw Jones. Add in Gagne and a few others, and he represents a lot of solid players this offseason.
Then add on players who are gonna be FAs, like Mark Teixeria.

He still has his reputation. I really don't think that the Arod thing is that big of a deal. Most players are out to get money. Arod had his money before, he obviously wanted to go where he wanted. Rogers, again, wanted to stay in Detroit.

The majority of players that he represents, or is going to represent, just want money. All new draft picks each year know that he gets them money. He had 3 of the first 7 picks in last years draft, and that should continue. His tactics will continue, SOMEONE is gonna pay up.

And think about it, Boras had a smart play going into this offseason. Everyone was expecting him to get 30 mil a year. Now he's a 'bargain' at what..27 a year?

[Mattingly]

with the arod thing and rogers straight up firing him, has he lost some of his negotiating clout?
Don't forget that he didn't get any more money for Daisuke Matsuzaka than DM would've gotten from any other agent. The Red Sox' FO said they were offering $52m over 6 years and that was it. This was their "$100m deal", meaning the contract + the posting fee ($51.1m). Bora$ had wanted the contract by itself to equal $100m.

Bora$ has clients who are in college, who are in the Minor League, who are in other countries, he's got clients who are already playing and won't be free agents for awhile. Johnny Damon and Jason Varitek are both his clients.

I'd say that Bora$ took the bigger hit in Kenny Rogers' publicly flogging him and firing him outright. However, he'd been only asked to "go to the other room" for the initial negotiations of Alex Rodriguez' deal. It seems that while Alex was the better negotiator, he'd still gotten a 10-year deal.

That length of a deal is insane, but when you count going after the career HR record and the age he'd have to be to get there, maybe not as insane as otherwise thought.

Anyway, the language towards the incentives, what is and isn't allowed will be worked out by Bora$. So while $cottie has been "beamed up" to the other room, he's also been "beamed back down" to finalize the deal, which is definitely his strength. I'm sure there's a cheesy sci-fi joke in there somewhere! :D

[Urbanshocker13]

I do think he is starting to look like a bit of burden for players, he can get them a bunch of money but owners don't want to deal with them. I think players are starting to see that he isn't looking for their best intrest and just looking for the biggest pay day. His over praseing of his players turn off owners and make it's harder for them to make a deal. At first they saw him as someone who can get them a lot of money and a good deal, now because of his greed and ego I think they are starting to see him as someone who can mess things up for them.

[Brian McKenna]

I have a feeling that Arod is going to pop off about Boras after he signs the deal.

[NickU]

Bora$ has clients who are in college
Ummm, no he doesn't... If he does, their respective schools would be put on probation and have some of their scholarships pulled, they wouldn't be allowed to participate in post-season tournaments, and the players that were being represented would be kicked off the team.

[NickU]

with the arod thing and rogers straight up firing him, has he lost some of his negotiating clout?

I think he has. He made it seem like he had other offers on the table, like he had a team in his back pocket willing to pay the 30 million, and he didn't. I honestly think he led A-Rod to believe that, which led him to opt out of his contract. Once he saw that no one was stepping forward he put his tail between his legs and went back to the Yanks. I think this takes away some of that invinsibility that Boras once had. You aren't supposed to bluff about having another deal, in the past when an Agent said he had someone willing to pay more money teams would believe him and panic by throwing more figures on the table, now when he says these things no one is going to believe him. He's been exposed by his star client. It doesn't look bad for A-Rod, it looks bad for his agent.

[NickU]

Also, I hear-by move to start a movement against spelling Boras with a $ in place of the S.

[KCGHOST]

To me Boras has certainly lost a lot of face recently. In a minor negotiation he "lost" to the Royals in their recent go round over the Royals #1 draft choice, Mike Moustakis. Boras wanted the kid to hold out for a year, but Moustakis overruled him and took the Royals offer (which was above slot).

[stejay]

He will not be short of money, thats for sure.

[Captain Cold Nose]

What's happening to Boras kind of reminds me what has happened to boxing promoter Don King. Over the years, enough people got tired of his self-serving shenanigans. Sure, a lot of the fighters he promoted got rich, but over time (helped by what seemed a complete lack of loyalty to beaten fighters) a lot of fighters stopped signing with King. The man has nowhere near the power he used to have in the fight game.

Players are realizing Boras's heavy-handed tactics may not serve them so well. If a guy like Kenny Rogers is able to follow Curt Schilling's lead and get a good contract on his own, as well as other agents netting good deals without outlandish starting points, they may not be so quick to sign with Boras in the future.

[Ubiquitous]

I would say what is happening to Boras is different then what happened/happening to Don King. Don King had a monopoly on boxing. He was in a lot of ways like Wasserman for Hollywood. King controlled the fights and he controlled the fighters. Boras does not control MLB, he only "controls" the players. Don King pretty much stole from his boxers, as far as I know Boras has never stolen from his players.

What happened with Rogers probably has more to do with Rogers and his embarrassment over the Rangers wanting an apology then anything else.

If Boras has a flaw I think that flaw is that he is out for the highest paid contract and because of that doesn't always listen to his clients. So far I don't think any of his players have complained about that yet.

The ARod thing was badly done and we don't really know what was going in that negotiation. Most of me still thinks that ARod did not want to come back to NY but was forced to when he discovered that nobody else was going to pay him anything close to what he (ARod) wanted. Thus requiring ARod to go to Buffett and then to Goldman Sachs. I do not think for a second that Boras was not aware of all this going and I don't doubt that he had input on this contract that is still yet to be signed.

[Captain Cold Nose]

King really never had a monopoly, unless you're talking about the heavyweights. It took legit heavyweight non-King champs like Riddick Bowe and Lennox Lewis to solidify his fall. I wasn't going to go anywhere near contract irregularities. I'm not a fan of some of Boras's tactics, but that would take blind hatred to equate them at that level. Remember, I said kind of.

While I don't think Boras will be out of the picture, I do think his competition at the top of the agent pile will get stricter, he'll come down to earth a little bit.

[Old Sweater]

No one else believes that A Rod getting marketing money in his latest Yankees contract wasn't the whole angle that they were going for? I do. Boras just opened the door for further clients and other players.

[MudvilleMike]

If a guy like Kenny Rogers is able to follow Curt Schilling's lead and get a good contract on his own, as well as other agents netting good deals without outlandish starting points, they may not be so quick to sign with Boras in the future.

Schilling is my favorite baseball player ever, but he's a reallly crappy negotiator. He really should fire his agent. LOL.

I would defiitely hire Boras if my objective was to earn as much money as possible.

[Ubiquitous]

Curt and Kenny are in unique situations that most players will not find themselves in. Curt and Kenny are not looking for long terms deals and the teams that want to sign them are not looking for long term deals. They are old guys who have made tons of money already and are really only looking at another season or two of play. Curt at this point doesn't need an agent. He can simply go up to team X and say pay me Y for this season. MLB has a standard contract that is used for all players so it isn't like they have to create a contract from scratch. The pay is guaranteed so once you settle on a price you are basically done.

Now then if you are some 29 year old and you are hitting free agency you really shouldn't try to negotiate your own deal. The last thing one would want to do is to sign yourself away to some below market deal and have to live with it for your best years and only get out of it when you are slower and grayer.

[sds416]

Scott Boras is quickly becoming the boy who cried wolf a few too many times. I've heard some very interesting chatter recently and read some comments made by the Washington Nationals GM that were less than complimentary.

Scott has over represented his clients values, which to a certain extent is his job. However, his theories about players value in terms of generating new revenue streams, etc. are quickly being de-bunked. He was famous for his presentation binders, where he outlined sponsorship opportunities, ad rate values, etc and how they would grow revenue that exceeded the value of, or minimized the impact of, the salary he was commanding for his client. Now some teams are going back and doing some real comprehensive studies on that subject and finding the truth is not what Boras claimed it is.

Couple that with this petulant attitude, and its no wonder his clients are starting to see the light.

3 years from now he'll be a pimple on an elephant's butt, and I can't wait for him to go on Jim Rome's show and tell the world how it was his work that grew baseball, that he is responsible for the profits and that he should have a seat at the table when things like postseason changes are discussed. Get real....actually drop dead.

[Ubiquitous]

The thing is nobody sat there and believed any of that stuff anyway. No team sat there and thought signing Chan Ho Park to some crazy contract would increase revenue by what ever amount Boras claimed it would.

What Boras was able to do was to take advantage of a closed market system. The owners limited the supply of players thus making available players extremely scarce and valuable. He was then able to get them to pay the amount he demanded by playing one of the other or sometimes one off nobody else.

Since the Blue Ribbon Panel it appears that teams are less and less likely to hand out those big contracts. Revenue has grown rapidly since 2001 and yet salaries are lagging way behind growth,