Anyone Interested In a Rematch?

[ChrisLDuncan]

Does anyone want another go at this? I'm game if you are...

[Westlake]

I'd be interested.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I would do it again.

[Erik Bedard]

Sure, I'll join, but I can't sim. I've got another OOTP project going with some friends from school, and that's taking up a lot of my free time.

[-Kyle-]

Hopefully yes...but I might have a lot of stuff to do.

The first was insanely fun (maybe because of the results ;) )

[Wee Willie]

I'd be interested also, but I'd prefer we not do any sim. The draft plus the ensuing discussion would be fun enough, I think.

[Wade8813]

I'm interested. I vote we do something a bit easier than a player's 3rd best Warp. That was kinda annoying. Also, it'd be really nice if I could have some information on how things will be valued. Last time, it was "that guy had good FRAA/FRAR, but we don't actually know how the sim ranks fielding, so good luck...". It basically felt like a crapshoot.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Heck yeah. I'm all for it.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Sure, I'll join, but I can't sim. I've got another OOTP project going with some friends from school, and that's taking up a lot of my free time.

If anyone wants a to do a sim or see the results I suppose I can get a sim and we can try it if you all want to see how it shakes out.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I'm interested. I vote we do something a bit easier than a player's 3rd best Warp. That was kinda annoying. Also, it'd be really nice if I could have some information on how things will be valued. Last time, it was "that guy had good FRAA/FRAR, but we don't actually know how the sim ranks fielding, so good luck...". It basically felt like a crapshoot.

Well, I'm not to into the sim results but I think we should do one just for kicks. I think the poll should have the most importance, I don't want players with fluke seasons being used in the sim (e.g. Beltre's 2004) and I suppose the third best WARP1 season would be used specifically for the sim, if we elect to do one, however the draft and the opinion poll IMO should just focus on who has the best group of player's not their individual years....if that makes any sense

[Erik Bedard]

I vote for just drafting players, like the first one.

[Wee Willie]

Maybe we could have polls/discussions for best offense, best defense, best pitching, etc., leading up to the final poll of best overall team. That way people can a more detailed idea of what others think about their team.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Maybe we could have polls/discussions for best offense, best defense, best pitching, etc., leading up to the final poll of best overall team. That way people can a more detailed idea of what others think about their team.

Sounds like a good way of doing things, then if people want a sim after that we can cross that bridge when we come too it.

[greg.simonster]

I've been hunting the internet looking for people who would be interested in doing exactly what you guys are doing.

I'm not sure what OOTP means, but I'd definitely be interested in participating in a draft.

[Erik Bedard]

OOTP stands for Out of the Park Baseball. It's a simulation engine that we used to simulate the results of the last draft.

[greg.simonster]

Cool! How long has it been out? What do you guys think about the results? fairly realistic? Pretty legit? Are there some issues that you can definitely see?

have any of you guys tried WhatIFSports?

I'm wondering how it compares...

[Wade8813]

I've never used OOTP myself, but I've had my teams input in drafts like this one. It seems nobody knows how they rank defense (for that matter, I don't think anyone's 100% sure how any of their systems work). They also tend to have some flukes (like Mariano putting up numbers better than any of his real stats, only in the sim he was facing all-time lineups). But I guess that's kind of to be expected in sims.

[Erik Bedard]

Cool! How long has it been out? What do you guys think about the results? fairly realistic? Pretty legit? Are there some issues that you can definitely see?

have any of you guys tried WhatIFSports?

I'm wondering how it compares...

OOTP releases a new edition every year. They're working on OOTP 9 right now. The results can be a little fluky, but generally, the best players play the best.

Personally, I like WIS for simulating one historical team against another, and not much else. I prefer Simnasium for sim leagues like what WIS offers.

OOTP will allow you to do much, much more stuff with your league than WIS, and you can play out a full historical league with no problem. I once took MLB from 1900 to 2005 and got fairly realistic results once I got some early roster kinks sorted out. I'd highly recommend getting the next edition if you can. Last year's was incredible.

[greg.simonster]

what aspects, in particular do you think simnasium has better than WIS?

It is a bit more expensive, and I have really been happy with WIS results...

[Erik Bedard]

I don't like having duplicates of a player in one league. I'm glad they added the career-style sim, because I hate single-season ones. I found that 19th-century players tend to be next to worthless as well. And Simnasium just is a more enjoyable experience. The way it's set up just seems to me to be more user-friendly, you don't have to click through a whole bunch of screens to get to your teams. And as for pricing, I've gotten my first three teams for 20 bucks.

[Wade8813]

Here's our list so far:

1. Chris L. Duncan
2. Westlake
3. Splendid Splinter
4. Erik Bedard
5. -Kyle-?
6. Wee Willie
7. Wade8813
8. DMF
9. Greg.Simonster

We could do it with this many people, but we might want to get a few more. What do you guys think? If we want more people, it might be a good idea to put this in another area, at least temporarily - I'm guessing that some people just notice that this is in the All-Time Draft thread, and assume that since they weren't involved in it, this thread wouldn't pertain to them.

[greg.simonster]

sounds good.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Here's our list so far:

1. Chris L. Duncan
2. Westlake
3. Splendid Splinter
4. Erik Bedard
5. -Kyle-?
6. Wee Willie
7. Wade8813
8. DMF
9. Greg.Simonster

We could do it with this many people, but we might want to get a few more. What do you guys think? If we want more people, it might be a good idea to put this in another area, at least temporarily - I'm guessing that some people just notice that this is in the All-Time Draft thread, and assume that since they weren't involved in it, this thread wouldn't pertain to them.

I am trying to get more people to join, we will do an AL/NL type league if we get more than 16 people to join.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I am trying to get more people to join, we will do an AL/NL type league if we get more than 16 people to join.

if you can do 16 people with 8 players each league, thats fine with me. i kinda rather do just one league where we know everyone in the league will be on here everyday or most of the time to make the picks and speed up the draft. cuz last time there were too many people and it took forever. i wouldnt even mind having a 6 team league (12 total, but it's one draft so you can't have Babe Ruth in each league, etc.) and all 6 teams in each league go to playoff (with top 2 teams having bye first round) so everyone have a chance to win it all even last place. that, to me, sounds a lot of fun.

[Wee Willie]

I also am in favor of keeping the leagues smaller than last time. I'd like to see either 3 more people added to have either one 12-team or two 6-team leagues, or 7 people added to have two 8-team leagues. If we have more than 12 people, it would be nice to split 'em up.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I also am in favor of keeping the leagues smaller than last time. I'd like to see either 3 more people added to have either one 12-team or two 6-team leagues, or 7 people added to have two 8-team leagues. If we have more than 12 people, it would be nice to split 'em up.

say we got 12 guys... would you rather have separate drafts for each league (2 Ruths, 2 Cobbs, etc.) or 1 big draft so you can't have 2 same players? i think with 12 players you can have 1 big draft. it would make the league more realistic and fun IMO.

[Erik Bedard]

Are we agreed that we're picking guys based on their whole career, and then having a vote and discussion at the end?

[Wee Willie]

say we got 12 guys... would you rather have separate drafts for each league (2 Ruths, 2 Cobbs, etc.) or 1 big draft so you can't have 2 same players? i think with 12 players you can have 1 big draft. it would make the league more realistic and fun IMO.

I think one draft is fine with 12.

[-Kyle-]

Well I definitly can't do it now...it was very fun but I am already in a few other leagues...plus football is getting really serious and my homework is loading up.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well I definitly can't do it now...it was very fun but I am already in a few other leagues...plus football is getting really serious and my homework is loading up.

now 8 teams... that would be nice with 2-4 team divisions... the teams would be stacked though, but it would be fun.

[Wee Willie]

now 8 teams... that would be nice with 2-4 team divisions... the teams would be stacked though, but it would be fun.

Sounds good to me. Even if Chris gets a couple of more to join, then we'll still have pretty loaded teams.

[greg.simonster]

I'm still in.

You guys familiar with WIS?

would one of you guys be interestd in drafting a team for that sim. I've got an extra team, and I need someone to draft a team. That sim uses single seasons...

[ChrisLDuncan]

Are we agreed that we're picking guys based on their whole career, and then having a vote and discussion at the end?

That or you can choose to judge players by their peak. It's up too you! I may do a sim too, but obviously the focus will be on the discussion and opinion poll.

[Erik Bedard]

OK, but we're picking the best players, not the best years, correct?

[Westlake]

I think a good way to pick is that if you're picking them knowing thats what they are going to give you for their career. Dont pick Gooden and expect everyone to be behind you when you say hes going to pitch like he did in '85. If you pick Spahn expect steady production for 20 years, if you pick Koufax, expect awesome production for about 6 years and not much else. Act like you're building a franchise, not a team for one season.

[Erik Bedard]

Cool. That's what I hoped.

[Wade8813]

I prefer single season or peak, but that's fine. How do we handle current players? Do we just use their careers up to this point (which handicaps a lot of them)? Or do we project (which makes some of them better than they'll really be)?

[philkid3]

Chris L. sent me a message. I'm in.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Cool. That's what I hoped.

What if you would like to evaluate them for a peak five years? We can have a multileveled poll, like best team for 10 years, best team for five years, best team for three seasons, best team for one season.

If you're a peak guy and think the rotation of
Grove
Pedro
Koufax
Alexander

Is better than a rotation of:

Matthewson
Spahn
Clemens
Seaver

Then so be it. It's up too you, however, I want to avoid picking that had a few good years but not much else. However, if there is enough demand for a sim then I will shell out 40 bucks (Taking donations ;)) to get a sim.

[The Splendid Splinter]

So... basically we're drafting like we're the GM and start a franchise??? and you see from a player is what you're getting for your team in a career?

so there's no requirement on picking a player due to best year, 3rd best, 3rd best in WARP, etc... it's based on their career?? so basically every player starts as a rookie (but their career projects what they could do)?

[Wee Willie]

I prefer single season or peak, but that's fine. How do we handle current players? Do we just use their careers up to this point (which handicaps a lot of them)? Or do we project (which makes some of them better than they'll really be)?

I would say use their careers up to this point. After all, this more or less a draft that focuses on historical players. Guys like Frank Thomas and A-Rod are ranked sufficiently high enough on most people's rankings that they would be a strength of any of our teams. But someone like Pujols, while he has a great peak, hasn't even played long enough to rank among the top several 1B yet if anything other than peak is considered. I prefer to either focus on any combination of peak/career, with the understanding that career record should be given at least some weight.

[Wee Willie]

Maybe we could do a "peak" poll (using either 3 or 5 years), a "core years" poll (10 years), a "career" poll - leading up to an "overall" poll - similar to what Chris suggested.

[ChrisLDuncan]

So... basically we're drafting like we're the GM and start a franchise??? and you see from a player is what you're getting for your team in a career?

so there's no requirement on picking a player due to best year, 3rd best, 3rd best in WARP, etc... it's based on their career?? so basically every player starts as a rookie (but their career projects what they could do)?

When you vote for the team at the end pick the team that you think is the best.

[Wade8813]

I'm ok with looking at a team from multiple angles, but we need to establish what they are. We can establish ahead of time that teams will be ranked on peak and on career, but we shouldn't allow someone to assume that they should just pick based on career only to find out that many people are grading on peak as well. They'll feel like they were blindsided.

[Wade8813]

So, what's going on here? Has it died?

[Wee Willie]

I'd say let's go ahead and determine a starting date with the guys we have.

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'd say let's go ahead and determine a starting date with the guys we have.

and we need to set some rules and guidelines first so people won't get confused and stuff.

[Wade8813]

It'd be helpful if either CLD took charge, since he started it, or if he can't/doesn't want to run it, tell us so we can find someone else to get things going...

[ChrisLDuncan]

It'd be helpful if either CLD took charge, since he started it, or if he can't/doesn't want to run it, tell us so we can find someone else to get things going...

Yeah, I've been a bit busy catching up on things. I figured it would be best to start this after I take my finals though (as I know Evan is a college student aswell, and I think that there's a few kids that will be busy taking some tests in high school too). Is there anyone else that has huge time commitments comming up soon? I'd like this draft to go somewhat smoothly, and I'm still trying to recurit some people too.

[Wade8813]

I'm willing to wait until after finals, I guess. It's just nice to know what's going on - I was starting to assume that this thing had died before it got started... :rolleyes:

[philkid3]

Hey, if things get going and I dont' notice because I keep forgetting about this (can't blame me, it does seem to have slowed down) someone PM me.

[Wade8813]

I'm sure once thing get rolling, someone will PM everyone involved.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Here's what I'm thinking, you pick the players best five year streak. Let us know which five year period you are picking. War seperations will be dealt with as in succession. I really don't want to make it like a career thing, I really don't want to pick players that stuck around for forever like Eddie Murray or Pete Rose over guys who had short but GREAT careers like Dick Allen.

[philkid3]

Sounds good to me.

[Wade8813]

Sounds fine. So, are your finals done? Are you finally ready to get this started?

[The Splendid Splinter]

sounds good. I'm still in.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Sounds fine. So, are your finals done? Are you finally ready to get this started?

Yes, and yes.


I don't know how to decide the order, so if someone has a "randomizer" and wants to decide what order we pick (snake of course, so it doesn't really matter, as a matter of fact I think the guy with the last pick last time had either the best or second best team)

[Wade8813]

Just go to random.org, and go to "list randomizer". Then just follow the instructions.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

So, when will the draft actually start? Is there a date in mind?

[ChrisLDuncan]

Draft starts the day after Christmas, I figured I wouldn't want people forgetting this with Christmas comming up.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Draft starts the day after Christmas, I figured I wouldn't want people forgetting this with Christmas comming up.

Yikes!!! I'll be out of town from 26-30th, I might have to sit this draft out unless that date can be pushed back.

[Erik Bedard]

I'm away from the 26th to the 31st as well.

[Wade8813]

I have no problem doing this right after Christmas, but that's a common time for people to be away; visiting family, or going on misc vacations. We probably should wait, but I'm fine either way.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I suppose it can wait, how's January 4th?

[The Splendid Splinter]

4th sounds good to me.

[Wade8813]

So, we're planning to start tomorrow... Have we figured out all the details?

[Erik Bedard]

I'm here and ready for the draft to start.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Ahhh, I forgot it started yesterday, had to help out some people.


Same rules as last time. Eight hour clock, the clock stops from the hours of 10 PM CST-10 AM CST.

[brett]

I am trying to get more people to join, we will do an AL/NL type league if we get more than 16 people to join.

I'm in. I just need to know the schedule for drafting. And we should revers the order in every other round.

[AstrosFan]

Last time we did it based on 3rd best WARP-1. What are we drafting based on now?

[-Kyle-]

I got a pm for this, but I am just not up for it this time around...sorry.

[brett]

Last time we did it based on 3rd best WARP-1. What are we drafting based on now?

He said 5 year peak

[ChrisLDuncan]

So I got Yanks, Brett, and AF in this time around. If someone wants to be the NL commish go right ahead.

[Wade8813]

I'm still in. I'm a bit busy today, because I'm doing Army Reserve stuff, and will be away from the computer more than usual.

BTW, what's the draft order?

[ChrisLDuncan]

Right now I'm still just trying to make sure I got everyone in. I sent out a bunch of PMs I've got a few new people, but I just want to make sure everyone who wants to do it can.

[The Splendid Splinter]

im ready to do this.

[Disgruntaledmarinerfan]

Right now I'm still just trying to make sure I got everyone in. I sent out a bunch of PMs I've got a few new people, but I just want to make sure everyone who wants to do it can.

Is there a new tentative date when the draft starts?

[Wee Willie]

I'm in. When will it start?

[Wade8813]

So I got Yanks, Brett, and AF in this time around. If someone wants to be the NL commish go right ahead.
I'd be willing to be the Commish for the other league, except I'd rather not be using NL rules...

Also, what do we do about players like Greenberg who don't have 5 consecutive full seasons?

[The Splendid Splinter]

I'd be willing to be the Commish for the other league, except I'd rather not be using NL rules...

Also, what do we do about players like Greenberg who don't have 5 consecutive full seasons?

basically one year he wouldnt play... thats my guess since its a 5 year peak. and again thats what we're going by to rate players and put them in order for our draft. im sure you'll have a backup who at least for one year will fill in for him.

also i think we should just have 1 league. i dont think we'll have enough teams to do 2 different leagues. i mean how many teams do we need for each league? 8 at least?

[ChrisLDuncan]

I'd be willing to be the Commish for the other league, except I'd rather not be using NL rules...

Also, what do we do about players like Greenberg who don't have 5 consecutive full seasons?

Since we don't have enough teams to do an AL/NL league I'll just do one league. As for players who missed time due to war like Greenberg, you can use 1937 to 1946. Because he was drafted in 41, reinlisted, and got back in 45 however he played his first game July first. So since he missed time due to war I will allow an execption there. So I'm thinking of starting this tonight or tommorow. So far I have:

Astros Fan
Brett
DMF
Wade
TSS
Wee Willie
Erik Bedard
Westlake
Myslef
El Halo
PhilKid3
Yanks

If you guys would like to do an AL/NL type competition and wait for four more people that's fine with me.?

[ChrisLDuncan]

I randomized things and this is the draft order:

1. Wade
2. TSS
3. Westlake
4. Wee Willie
5. DMF
6. Astros Fan
7. Erik Bedard
8. PhilKid3
9. El Halo
10. Brett
11. Yanks
12. Me

[ChrisLDuncan]

So it's up to you guys when you want to start this thing.

[The Splendid Splinter]

So it's up to you guys when you want to start this thing.

i can do it ASAP. the only thing is that i won't be home from 7 till about 9-10ish tonight because im in a dart league. otherwise im good to go.

[Wade8813]

I'll start a new thread for the draft - this thread can be for any discussion, or questions, or whatever.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Wade, will you do me a favor post the order in your thread too?

Also have we decided a date for the "official" start?


PS: It'd be nice if you posed a pic of the player you are picking (that goes for everyone) ;)

[Wade8813]

Alright, will do...

[ChrisLDuncan]

I pmed everyone official start is at 8 PM tommorw night...HOWEVER, if it is your turn you may pick before the official start. For example, Wade picked and now TSS may pick if he would like, and if he picks then Evan can pick, and so on.

[Wade8813]

As for players who missed time due to war like Greenberg, you can use 1937 to 1946. Because he was drafted in 41, reinlisted, and got back in 45 however he played his first game July first. So since he missed time due to war I will allow an execption there. I shouldn't have used Greenberg as an example, I forgot about him serving in the war. What about someone like Garciaparra, who doesn't have 5 consecutive full seasons, and doesn't have war service interrupting his career?

[ChrisLDuncan]

I shouldn't have used Greenberg as an example, I forgot about him serving in the war. What about someone like Garciaparra, who doesn't have 5 consecutive full seasons, and doesn't have war service interrupting his career?

Hmmm...I'll have to think about that one for a bit. Any suggestions? My thinking is that in the vote, voters will have to consider the fact that there is a 20% chance or so that he'll be injured.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Hmmm...I'll have to think about that one for a bit. Any suggestions? My thinking is that in the vote, voters will have to consider the fact that there is a 20% chance or so that he'll be injured.

yeah what you see is what you get really. esp. with injury prone players or guys who just cant put a string of healthy seasons. it wouldnt be fair to make exceptions to them and have 5 healthy good seasons when they cant do it on their own. going to war is a different situation and thats where i would draw the line. even strike shorten seasons, what you see is what you get in that many games. that's why you get backups on your bench. like take Barry Bonds, for example, I pick him knowing that he's good for 130-140 games every year and my backup will play the days he's not in. that's my vote on it.

[Wade8813]

That sounds good to me for injuries. Will we do that for strike shortened seasons as well?

[The Splendid Splinter]

That sounds good to me for injuries. Will we do that for strike shortened seasons as well?

i would say cuz it was technically a full season, but it was shorten. i would say what you see is what you get or you could project it out to a full season but lower the standards a little cuz most of the guys couldnt sustain that for a whole season (ie. Schmidt, Matt Williams, etc.) i vote for leave it as is. its right at the cutoff line for me.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Well, I'd say just knock the numbers by ten percent or so...sound good to everyone?

[SamtheBravesFan]

Dang, I didn't realize there was another draft. I wanted to do this.

[brett]

Well, I'd say just knock the numbers by ten percent or so...sound good to everyone?

Warp III already uses an expansion factor which gives a player 2/3 credit for unscheduled games and adjusts for the shorter seasons.

If you prefer to use WARP I, then (WARP III/WARP II)*WARP I will expand the WARP I score giving partial credit for unscheduled games or shorter schedules.

Can someone please clarify, are we using WARP I? Don't you think that strongly overrates old timers?

Also what about relief pitchers, or pitchers who produced WARP in fewer innings.

Also how deep are we drafting? Just 1 starting lineup? If a guy lost WARP because of an injury, does your #2 guy get to fill in? And are there any players who qualify at different positions? I think a guy should have played at least 100 games at a position over the 5 years to qualify.

I don't want it to be complicated, but I want things totally clear before I draft.

Thanks all.

[Wade8813]

I think we decided that we were just going to vote on who has the best team. If you want to base your vote on Warp X, that's fine, but if we all just use Warp, it won't be a vote, it will just be counting up who picked the players with the highest Warp.

[Minstrel]

I'm in (ChrisLDuncan, you've exceeded your PM limit, so I couldn't reply) if there's still room.

[Wade8813]

We have two new people who want to participate (this is where I'm supposed to give them a hard time for not saying anything until now, since this has been delayed about two months since CLD started it... ;) ). We could just add them in at the end, since they wouldn't have missed anything yet, or we could divide the league into two leagues of 7 - maybe just have the 2nd half of the draft (picks 8-12, plus the two new people) become the 2nd league? It sounded like most people preferred that we have leagues that were slightly on the small side, rather than too big. That allows the teams to be better, and makes it go faster.

BTW, did we ever decide how we're going to handle steroids? Do we leave it up to each voter how to decide? Should there be a percentage that we dock everyone that used? Should we just pretend that the numbers are all legit? If we do dock for steroids, we'll have to have a consensus on who we think the users are.

[brett]

I think we decided that we were just going to vote on who has the best team. If you want to base your vote on Warp X, that's fine, but if we all just use Warp, it won't be a vote, it will just be counting up who picked the players with the highest Warp.


I suggest that we send our teams to a) the history forum and b) the stats forum and have them vote on the best team-must vote in one forum only.

Again, are we drafting a 25 man roster, or just starters?

[Minstrel]

We have two new people who want to participate (this is where I'm supposed to give them a hard time for not saying anything until now, since this has been delayed about two months since CLD started it... ;) ).

Sorry, I responded in the thread a couple of days after I got the PM about it.

[The Splendid Splinter]

BTW, did we ever decide how we're going to handle steroids? Do we leave it up to each voter how to decide? Should there be a percentage that we dock everyone that used? Should we just pretend that the numbers are all legit? If we do dock for steroids, we'll have to have a consensus on who we think the users are.

we cant really do that. cuz if you do and say if i have to dock barry bonds, then i need to change my answer for the 2nd pick. honestly, he's innocent until proven guilty.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Sorry, I responded in the thread a couple of days after I got the PM about it.

Yanks is out so you're in his spot.

[ChrisLDuncan]

We are drafting 25 rounds then a waiver round, there are trades allowed. We are drafting a full 25 man roster.

[ChrisLDuncan]

We have two new people who want to participate (this is where I'm supposed to give them a hard time for not saying anything until now, since this has been delayed about two months since CLD started it... ;) ). We could just add them in at the end, since they wouldn't have missed anything yet, or we could divide the league into two leagues of 7 - maybe just have the 2nd half of the draft (picks 8-12, plus the two new people) become the 2nd league? It sounded like most people preferred that we have leagues that were slightly on the small side, rather than too big. That allows the teams to be better, and makes it go faster.


Yanks dropped out. Who was the other guy who got in other than Minstrel?



BTW, did we ever decide how we're going to handle steroids? Do we leave it up to each voter how to decide? Should there be a percentage that we dock everyone that used? Should we just pretend that the numbers are all legit? If we do dock for steroids, we'll have to have a consensus on who we think the users are.

We don't "know' who used who didn't numbers are taken at face value.

[ChrisLDuncan]

We have two new people who want to participate (this is where I'm supposed to give them a hard time for not saying anything until now, since this has been delayed about two months since CLD started it... ;) ). We could just add them in at the end, since they wouldn't have missed anything yet, or we could divide the league into two leagues of 7 - maybe just have the 2nd half of the draft (picks 8-12, plus the two new people) become the 2nd league? It sounded like most people preferred that we have leagues that were slightly on the small side, rather than too big. That allows the teams to be better, and makes it go faster.



Actually here's an idea. If someone would like to PM EVERY ONE in the last draft both AL and NL (a few guys stopped posting however Honus Wanger Rules would be a good guy to ask (HINT HINT)) or we can just ask the guys who are 'regulars' and ask them if they would like to jump in too. I figure that way we can get two solid leagues drafting. Any comments? All we had were two picks and I've been lazy as hell about this (my fault I'm sorry) so waiting a bit longer won't really hurt...will it?

[Wade8813]

SamtheBravesFan is the other person.

[ChrisLDuncan]

I've been asking others since I don't want an uneven number of teams. However I asked HWR, if he says yes and we get two more teams we can do two leagues...if that's cool that is

[ChrisLDuncan]

Looking at the AL's list, Chris (538280) hasn't posted here in months, AlecBoy006 no longer posts here, Ronnie5 got a real job and is probably too busy (Evan can you confirm that?), Yanks is out, Kyle is out, haven't seen HA here in about a year or so, same with BSR. As to the NL: TFAM is engaged and busy as hell, I haven't seen CCC, Cashwrapper, TBT, or DudeCar00 since the draft. That's from the past though, perhaps if you'd really like two leagues (which I think would rule) we should probably PM the remaining GMs that aren't here.


Wade, or if anyone else would like to talk more my AIM address is Flawisawesome, and my email address is ChrisLDuncan@gmail.com

[Wade8813]

Washizzle Express joined the Army, and is currently going through Basic Training.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Dang, well I'm sure we can probably get Sockeye, (I asked HWR), Williamsburg, and that should get us at 16. I'll do some PMing...

[ChrisLDuncan]

New rules have came up:

Relievers must be relievers to be used as relievers, and for relievers we will use the reliever's best three year stretch, due to the disparity of relievers compared to starters.

In order for a player to be eligible at a position he must have 162 games at that position

CFs can play anywhere in the OF, LFs can play RF and RFs can play LF.

[Erik Bedard]

Looking at the AL's list, Chris (538280) hasn't posted here in months, AlecBoy006 no longer posts here, Ronnie5 got a real job and is probably too busy (Evan can you confirm that?), Yanks is out, Kyle is out, haven't seen HA here in about a year or so, same with BSR. As to the NL: TFAM is engaged and busy as hell, I haven't seen CCC, Cashwrapper, TBT, or DudeCar00 since the draft. That's from the past though, perhaps if you'd really like two leagues (which I think would rule) we should probably PM the remaining GMs that aren't here.


Wade, or if anyone else would like to talk more my AIM address is Flawisawesome, and my email address is ChrisLDuncan@gmail.com

Chris just disappeared, AlecBoy, TBT, and cashwrapper all got banned, and Dude has been really busy.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Williamsburg is out. So now we have 13 people? Does everyone just want to go with a 13 man draft?

[ChrisLDuncan]

Well, I now have Leecemark, that means we have 14 people. Do you guys want one fourteen team league, or two seven team leagues?

[The Splendid Splinter]

Well, I now have Leecemark, that means we have 14 people. Do you guys want one fourteen team league, or two seven team leagues?

either way is fine with me. i think you should make it either all DH or no DH instead of one AL and NL type league. thats just me though.

[ChrisLDuncan]

either way is fine with me. i think you should make it either all DH or no DH instead of one AL and NL type league. thats just me though.

That's what I'm thinking too...

[Minstrel]

New rules have came up:

Relievers must be relievers to be used as relievers, and for relievers we will use the reliever's best three year stretch, due to the disparity of relievers compared to starters.

In order for a player to be eligible at a position he must have 162 games at that position

CFs can play anywhere in the OF, LFs can play RF and RFs can play LF.

And we're using five year peaks? WARP3? Or are there any standard forms of evaluation this time around?

[Wade8813]

Yes, we're doing 5 yr peak. It's voting, so whatever BBF members decide is the criteria (one suggestion is that we'll vote, then post it in the History and Stats forums, and have them vote as well).

[ChrisLDuncan]

And we're using five year peaks? WARP3? Or are there any standard forms of evaluation this time around?

Forms of evaluation are:

"Player's Choice" where the GMs drafting decide on who wins
"Historical Team" They guys over in History Forum take their picks
"Stat's Champ" where the guys in the Stat forum pick their team.


And I'm considering dropping 30 or 40 on a sim if there's enough interest, and I am taking donations on that if there is...

[Minstrel]

Cool cool. Just wanted to know how we were looking at players. I think "Everyone just uses their own criteria to vote" is fun and simple.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Cool cool. Just wanted to know how we were looking at players. I think "Everyone just uses their own criteria to vote" is fun and simple.

Yeah, that's what I thought too...so is everyone fine with a seven team league?

[The Splendid Splinter]

Yeah, that's what I thought too...so is everyone fine with a seven team league?

cool with me... probably be a lot better and WAY faster... imagine if everyone in our league was on at the same time, how fast it would go, and think how the voting would go in each league after our team is drafted... you're getting a top 7 player in each position. then you have your rotations and bullpen which will be stacked as well... then i like to see guys explain why they chose that team(which should be required IMO, just to see why they think that). i know it'll take me awhile. also should we put up a roster thread as well? or can a mod delete the old roster thread so we can make new ones?

[ChrisLDuncan]

So how do we want to handle strike shortened seasons?

[Wade8813]

Since we're using a voting system, I think as long as the voters adjust it a little bit, we don't need to dictate how much they adjust.

BTW, we are allowing pre-1900, correct? How far back are we allowing? There were some drastic rules changes (like the distance of the mound, pitchers being able to pitch overhand, etc).

[brett]

So how do we want to handle strike shortened seasons?

I think that if someone wants to do the math, the season before and the season after the one in question should be weighted to make up the difference.

For example, in '81, about 34% of the season got cancelled. '80 and '82 can be weighted at 117% each, OR the players rate per game in '80 and '82 can be applied to the balance of the season to produce a "complete" year.

[leecemark]

--I thought the teams were going to be compared using subjective judgements? That being the case we don't really need to decide on any particular formula for strike seasons, league quality or any other issue. Just make the best case for your team as you can once it is assembled. Use whatever data make you look the best:clapping.

[Wade8813]

I agree with leecemark. If you want to do the math, so that others can have something to work with, that's great, but I wouldn't expect everyone to have to use it, or anything.

[The Splendid Splinter]

Yeah I agree also. Most of the people on here knows that the players wouldn't be able to sustain that pace for a whole season so they'll knock it down a little. if we somehow do a sim later on, then we might have to do something, but we'll get to that if it ever comes to that.

[plask_stirlac]

Looking at the AL's list, Chris (538280) hasn't posted here in months, AlecBoy006 no longer posts here, Ronnie5 got a real job and is probably too busy (Evan can you confirm that?), Yanks is out, Kyle is out, haven't seen HA here in about a year or so, same with BSR. As to the NL: TFAM is engaged and busy as hell, I haven't seen CCC, Cashwrapper, TBT, or DudeCar00 since the draft. That's from the past though, perhaps if you'd really like two leagues (which I think would rule) we should probably PM the remaining GMs that aren't here.


Wade, or if anyone else would like to talk more my AIM address is Flawisawesome, and my email address is ChrisLDuncan@gmail.com

I feel forgotten. You remember Cashwrapper and not me who ran the NL procedures? Didn't he last for about three rounds?

R.I.P. NL 2007 and the Portland Eagles.

I've lost some interest in this forum (heck, Minstrel has lost interest in everything) but I still would've responded.

I would be a BBF regular if there were enough lively, non-PED discussions I enjoyed. I'm not as compelled by the history and stats, and current events can never focus on the "other" teams or lesser known players (Mariners, Jays, etc.) and have a big discussion. Let's say I wanted to talk about the Pirates, but not just with their die-hards. I know they never do much, but since the Diamondbacks and Rockies both made the NLCS do we really need to completely ignore some teams? Or if it's about the Yanks or Cubs, it's more of a shouting match.