1967 Free Agent Auction

[leecemark]

--The auction will commence at 8PM EST on Friday, November 2. Only 4 players are scheduled for the live draft; Willie Stargell, Jim Fregosi, Mike McCormick and Willie Davis. The remainder of the free agents will be available for bidding as soon as the PFA closes and will conclude at 9PM EST on Tuesday, November 6. For those new to the process, bidding is made in increments of 250K. During the PFA bidding on a player will be finalized on a going once, twice, sold basis. In the secondary auction the highest bid with a post time on/before 9Pm EST wins the player. During the last hour of the secondary bidding you are limited to bidding on one player per post.
--Attached are the available players, minus anyone who may be drafted in the 5th round of the rookie draft.

[leecemark]

--Everyone please get your roster and salary data updated and posted it here so you and everybody elese knows what you have to spend in this auction. For example;
--Knights: 68M for 39 players (32M to spend on 1 player)
--Please keep in mind that you are required to have 40 players under contract for your 100M by Opening Day. You must reserve enough money to sign minimum wage guys to round out the 40 man and you will be charged a cap penalty of 250K for each vacant spot if you fail to do so. You may go over 40 in the signing periold if you have the cap space to cover them, but the excess would have to be released before Opening Day. The contracts of any players released at this point will be charged against your cap.

[buppers]

Roster - 21, Salary total - 50.50
Leaving 49.50 for 19 players.

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[jkc32]

Shoeless has 39 players costing $86.75M.

[ElHalo]

Diablos have 35 players under contract for $87.75M.

[J W]

-edit-

Total Salary (36 players) = 80.25 milliion

[mac195]

Hard Cider have 37 players under contract. Our payroll is
$71.25 million.

[Wasp]

Total Salary 31 Players; 81 Million

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox are at 68.75M for 37 players (and almost a third of that goes to Jim Perry). We'll likely open up the wallet for one pitcher, probably McCormick, then just grab some filler to eat innings in our woefully thin rotation. Lineup looks pretty good this year, though.

[leecemark]

--There are some discrepancies between what I've got programed into some of these rosters and the number of players being reported here. For example, I've got the Gold Sox with 33 players while Dan says it should be 37. Everyone please review your rosters in this attachment and let me know what the differences are so we can try and get them resolved.

[Erik Bedard]

The attachment is missing Bahnsen, Sanders, Piniella, Ryan, and Hedlund.

EDIT: I forgot to add Ted Uhlaender to my roster. We are now at 38 players for 69M.

[buppers]

While all team figures are not in, after looking through rosters, rookie draft and older posts I see... (subject to corrections and verification by Commish and fellow owners)

422 players under contract for 908.750M
58 players to be drafted for 291.250M

for an average of just over 5.000M per player

Cannons have 40 man roster and need 0 players while the Mighty Badgers have 21 players and will need 19 more to fill roster.

Closest to Badgers are The Stingers, needing 9 spots to fill

Wonder how much of that 291 million will go to the 4 PFA's tonight.

See you there

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[leecemark]

--The Cannons have 33 players under contract. The Shoeless Joes and KNights each have 39 players, making those the fullest rosters. I'm not sure what the average salary is now, but 5M seems very high as it can't be more than 2.5M once each team is at 40 players (that would be with each team right at the cap). By my count (and this is what is currently programmed) its;
Cannons 33
Badgers 21
Gold Sox 38
Diablos 36
Shoeless Joes 39
Skipjacks 36
Gamblers 32
Knights 39
Legends 36
Hard Cider 36
Redbirds 37
Stingers 29
--Anybody who has a different count please crosscheck the attachment a couple posts up.

[buppers]

Was gonna go redo paperwork then thought "are you crazy?"
Will just make best guess as to money available.

One note, my 5.0M figure above was the amount available for open roster spots in tonights auction. Marks 2.5M is, of course the avg if everybody spends their 100M on 40 man roster.

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[Wasp]

Mark, you seem to be missing two of my players: Pat Kelly (who I took in this year's draft), and Bobby Murcer (who I took in the 65' draft.) Also, you have Chuck Harrison down as one of my players when it's really supposed to be Chuck Hinton.

[mac195]

Anybody here?

[J W]

Present :atthepc

[catcher24]

Present, and let me get my figures up momentarily. Another busy week and I hadn't checked this thread!

[catcher24]

Legends are at 36 players, 83.75M. Too bad I had to buy out all those contracts to the tune of 15.5M; sure would've liked to had that for the auctions!

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox are here, but may be interrupted. If I have to leave, Lew has a proxy.

[catcher24]

Does anyone know if Dan is on line (Gold Sox)?

[catcher24]

Guess that answers that question!

[Erik Bedard]

I also turned off invisible mode, which I had had on since there was a discussion about what it did (about February).

[buppers]

Badgers here !

[leecemark]

--BBF is on its usual time delay. There are only 4 players for auction this evening with Willie Davis going at 5, follwed immediately by Mike McCormick, Willie Stargell and Jim Fregosi.

[mac195]

Time for me to get outbid on more free agents.

[J W]

Same here Mac... but hey, it's worked for us so far. :gt

I gotta follow the "Right player, right price" philosophy. I went out of bounds trading for Brooksie and it'll cost me next offseason.

[Erik Bedard]

... and time for me to grossly overpay a mediocre pitcher.

[mac195]

Mark, can you give us any idea of the defensive abilities of this Fregosi fellow over the next 5 years?

[J W]

Here are his Range Factors / Averages:

4.59 / 4.09
4.57 / 4.07
4.50 / 4.43
4.88 / 4.39
4.46 / 4.32

...he also plays some 1B in '70-'71, above average RF.

[catcher24]

Mac - I only have 1967 to check, but he's VG for 1967, with a 93 (below average) error rating.

[leecemark]

--VG, in 67, AV in 68-9 and VG again in 70. That is as far ahead as I have.

[J W]

By BBF time I guess we're ready to start?

[leecemark]

--Okay the market is open. Any takers on Willie Davis?

[mac195]

Mac - I only have 1967 to check, but he's VG for 1967, with a 93 (below average) error rating.

93 is above average, right?

[Erik Bedard]

.25M on Davis.

[buppers]

Davis - 1.00

[leecemark]

--93 would be 7 percent fewer errors than the avergae SS

[leecemark]

--Gambler go 1.25 on Davis

[Erik Bedard]

1.25M on Davis

[Erik Bedard]

Make that 1.5

[J W]

Davis, $4.75 mil

[J W]

...sorry, wanna speed things along

[leecemark]

Gamblers - 5m

[buppers]

Davis - 5.00

[buppers]

davis - 5,25

[leecemark]

...sorry, wanna speed things along

--Don't be sorry. I sure hope we are doing Stargell and Fregosi 250K at a time.

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox pass.

[catcher24]

Mac, I meant he had fewer errors than the average SS, which I said is below average (in the number of errors), but which would make him better than average to have in the field. Boy, does this make sense to anyone?:crazy :laugh

[leecemark]

Gamblers 5.5

[catcher24]

Legends pass on Willie Davis.

[mac195]

Mac, I meant he had fewer errors than the average SS, which I said is below average (in the number of errors), but which would make him better than average to have in the field. Boy, does this make sense to anyone?:crazy :laugh

Yes. I'm not quite up to speed this morning.

[leecemark]

5.5M going once

[mac195]

6M on Davis

[J W]

Gold Sox & Legends pass.

He's still kinda good value. $5.75

[leecemark]

Gamblers 6.25

[J W]

$6.75 mil then

[mac195]

6.5 million

[leecemark]

gamblers 7M

[mac195]

$7 million

[J W]

Skipjacks pass

[mac195]

I'm really not up to speed.

[mac195]

7.25 million

[leecemark]

7M going once

[leecemark]

gambler 7.5

[mac195]

HC pass...

[leecemark]

7.5 going once

[leecemark]

7.5m goijng twice

[leecemark]

--Willie Davis sold to the Gamblers for 7.5M (2-4 year deal).

[leecemark]

--Mike McCormick now up for auction.

[J W]

Ouch, stuck with the 4-year max. You're so brutal Mac. :D

(like I should talk)

[leecemark]

--4.75m-------------

[buppers]

McCormick - 5.00

[Erik Bedard]

5M on McCormick.

[mac195]

McCormick 5m

[Erik Bedard]

Okay, 5.25M.

[J W]

McCormick, $6 mil

[mac195]

6 million...

[mac195]

lol........

[buppers]

mccormick - 7.00

[leecemark]

Ouch, stuck with the 4-year max. You're so brutal Mac. :D

(like I should talk)

--Yeah if I was bidding for myself I'd have jumped up to 8M once it became clear he wasn't coming cheap. Years 3-4-5 are worth alot more than years 1-2 for Davis.

[Erik Bedard]

7.25m ------

[buppers]

7.75.......

[catcher24]

Legends pass on Mike McCormick. And if you all really need pitching badly enough to pay McCormick that much, take a look at Jim Nash and make me an offer!:laugh

[J W]

Aw heck, $8 mil for McCormick

[Erik Bedard]

8.25m--------

[buppers]

will get back to you on that

[buppers]

8.5 what the heck

[J W]

Skipjacks pass

[Erik Bedard]

8.75m-------

[mac195]

pass on McCormick

[buppers]

I'm DONE.....

[leecemark]

8.75 going once

[leecemark]

8.75M going twice

[leecemark]

-McCormick to the Gold Sox for 8.75M (3-5 yr deal).

[catcher24]

Stupid Firefox sure picked a great time to install automatic updates and knock me offline!

:cry:

[J W]

Well I'm glad SOME sanity is prevailing this time... no insane 8-figure deals for "ok starters".

[catcher24]

Well, Dan, you did OK after all!

[leecemark]

--Now time for some real spending. Jim Fregosi on the block.

[buppers]

Ok Starter For You - All Star For Me :)

[J W]

(a solitary drop of sweat beads on Beanie Bill's brow)

Fregosi, $10 million

[buppers]

7.75........

[catcher24]

And for those who have already PMed me about Nash, I WON'T make the mistake of trying to pull off a deal during drafting/auctions ever again, to avoid another disaster like the one I created during the rookie draft!:o :laugh

If interested, PM me after the Premium FA auction, or later this weekend.

[leecemark]

Stupid Firefox sure picked a great time to install automatic updates and knock me offline!

:cry:

--Surely you weren't going to outbid the Gold Sox on McCormick?

[buppers]

10.5.......

[Erik Bedard]

Well I'm glad SOME sanity is prevailing this time... no insane 8-figure deals for "ok starters".

Don't look at me when you talk about sanity prevailing. Lew knows how high I was prepared to go on him.

[leecemark]

11m........................

[catcher24]

11.5M on Fregosi

[J W]

Fregosi $11 million

[mac195]

12 million...

[leecemark]

13m............................

[J W]

way behind there... :rolleyes:

[catcher24]

Lew knows how high I was prepared to go on him.

Yup, I had the proxy, and it was actually in Brooksie territory.

[J W]

Fregosi $14 mil

[catcher24]

Well, thanks to the buyouts you're out of my range already, and the Legends reluctantly withdraw on the Fregosi bidding.

[mac195]

15 million.......

[buppers]

14.50........

[Erik Bedard]

Yup, I had the proxy, and it was actually in Brooksie territory.

Not quite Perry territory, though, but it could have gotten there.

[buppers]

15.50......

[leecemark]

Yup, I had the proxy, and it was actually in Brooksie territory.

--That would not be a case of sanity prevailing:crazy . CYA aside McCormick is just a good third starter this year IMO and more like a 5th starter the next 2.

[J W]

Don't look at me when you talk about sanity prevailing. Lew knows how high I was prepared to go on him.

Yeah but Fregosi isn't just an "ok starter". He could theoretically be the best shortstop in baseball throughout the 60's.

[mac195]

15.75...........

[leecemark]

16m....................

[catcher24]

Not quite Perry territory, though, but it could have gotten there.

:laugh :nod:

[buppers]

16.50......

[leecemark]

17m.......................

[mac195]

pass..........

[catcher24]

17m.......................

:clapping :clapping :gt

Man, I love this - especially when I'm not bidding any more!!

[Erik Bedard]

Yeah but Fregosi isn't just an "ok starter". He could theoretically be the best shortstop in baseball throughout the 60's.

I was kinda talking about McCormick and how I could go up to 20M on him.

Mark, for me this year, McCormick is an ace, plus he eats innings for two more years. So now I have both CYA winners. If only I could have them for next year instead.

[leecemark]

17M going once

[J W]

OK, the Skipjacks withdraw. Knock 'em dead boys; we're alive for next offseason! :D

[buppers]

17.50......

[leecemark]

18m..................................

[catcher24]

If only I could have them for next year instead.

Maybe if you talked REAL NICE to the Shoeless Joes.....:laugh :nod:

[buppers]

18.50......

[leecemark]

19m.............................

[buppers]

19.75......

[catcher24]

We're rapidly approaching that magical 20 MILLION $$$$ barrier.......

[leecemark]

20m.....................

[J W]

"Now at bat for the Skipjacks, SS Ron... Hansen..."

:bowdown: :laugh

[mac195]

What high roller has stolen Mark's identity?

[buppers]

21.00......

[leecemark]

--This is starting to hurt, 21.25

[catcher24]

"Now at bat for the Skipjacks, SS Ron... Hansen..."
'
And it's a good thing I like you, JW, or it could be ??????


Now approaching all time record salary territory....

[Erik Bedard]

That's it, folks. Jim Perry is no longer the highest paid player in the CKL.

[buppers]

21.75.....

[leecemark]

--22m....................

[catcher24]

Geez, you let some new guy into the league and first thing he does is set an all time player salary record!:laugh :laugh

[buppers]

he's all yours

[leecemark]

--We can't have that. One of us old timers have to go crazy and keep up:crazy .:laugh

[catcher24]

And playing SS for the Knights... ALEX... I mean, Jim Rodriguez errr.. Fregosi...

[buppers]

I may have CAUSED the record to be set but I didn't set it :)

[leecemark]

--22m going once. I'm pretty sure it was just Ed and I at this point, so if anybody wants to jump in do it quick.

[J W]

'
And it's a good thing I like you, JW, or it could be ??????


Now approaching all time record salary territory....

Hey, he's a one-season bandaid -- Dietz was the main trade piece for that 1st round pick in '70. That'll prob'ly nab a good player :nod:

Mark, do you have Davey Johnson's defensive rating at shortstop for 1968? Or Glenn Beckert's (don't think he has one)?

[catcher24]

--We can't have that. One of us old timers have to go crazy and keep up .

And thankfully you're the one, not me!:gt :dance :applaud: :clapping

[leecemark]

--Going twice, anybody want to save me from myself?

[J W]

no.

:laugh

[buppers]

no way - knock yourself out

[J W]

Gawd, all of a sudden that Allison trade looms large, Mark.

[catcher24]

--22m going once. I'm pretty sure it was just Ed and I at this point, so if anybody wants to jump in do it quick.

As Mark realizes his mistake and prays fervently for another owner to lose their mind momentarily.....

[Erik Bedard]

Actually, to bid right now would put me at the cap. And I'd prefer to save that for Stargell.

[leecemark]

Hey, he's a one-season bandaid -- Dietz was the main trade piece for that 1st round pick in '70. That'll prob'ly nab a good player :nod:

Mark, do you have Davey Johnson's defensive rating at shortstop for 1968? Or Glenn Beckert's (don't think he has one)?


--Johnson is rated PR in both 68-69 and Beckert is unrated.

[leecemark]

--Okay Fregosi sold to the Knights at 22M (3=5 year deal).

[leecemark]

--Next up Willie Stargell. Will he make Fregosi look like a bargain?

[catcher24]

Well, Mark, Congrats - I think....:crazy :o

[buppers]

15.0.........

[catcher24]

Legends bid 13M for Stargell

[Erik Bedard]

--Next up Willie Stargell. Will he make Fregosi look like a bargain?

...probably.

[catcher24]

15.0.........

And I thought 13M was a good opener! Blown out of the water again, and once more the Legends reluctantly withdraw from the bidding, this time for Stargell...:sigh:

[leecemark]

Gawd, all of a sudden that Allison trade looms large, Mark.

--Allison was definatley a salary dump with Fregosi in mind. I was prepared to go to 20M, but hey once you're there wahts another 2M.

[mac195]

16 million.........

[J W]

Skipjacks are outta this one alltogether. And we'll wait 'til Tuesday for the other players.

Have fun guys!

[buppers]

am i gonna get stargell for 15?

[catcher24]

but hey once you're there wahts another 2M.

Ya know, I loved this auction tonight. I haven't laughed this much in quite a while. Good for the soul, and all that.

[buppers]

18.0........

[Erik Bedard]

19m--------

[mac195]

$20 million!

[buppers]

20.00........

[Erik Bedard]

21m----------

[buppers]

21.00......

[buppers]

22.00..........

[catcher24]

What, are we going to have a five minute salary record??!!

[catcher24]

22.00..........

Guess so....

[leecemark]

--Looks like Fregosi's tenure as the league's highest paid player will be brief!

[buppers]

Rh, I;ll leave him unprotected in expansion draft

[Erik Bedard]

22.25m-------

[buppers]

23.00........

[mac195]

Go for it boys! I'm outta here.

[catcher24]

Rh, I;ll leave him unprotected in expansion draft

Yeah, but remember Ed, those guys will have 100M to spend, and someone might just do it for Stargell.

[buppers]

got a poker game waiting.......

[Erik Bedard]

Gold Sox are priced out.

[leecemark]

--Fregosi is not going to make my protected list in 69 either. I'm expecting this to be a 2 year deal, although at this price he could go unpicked by the expansion teams.

[buppers]

my feeling too....

[catcher24]

got a poker game waiting.......

Don't bet like that in the poker game, Ed....:o

[leecemark]

23M going once

[Erik Bedard]

And actually, that's a good thing, 'cause due to some faulty math, that would have put me over the cap.

[leecemark]

23M going twice........................

[catcher24]

although at this price he could go unpicked by the expansion teams.

It's certainly worth the gamble, but with four new guys, each with 100M and hoping to compete right away.....

[Erik Bedard]

--Fregosi is not going to make my protected list in 69 either. I'm expecting this to be a 2 year deal, although at this price he could go unpicked by the expansion teams.

I'm betting on Jim Perry going unpicked, because I want him for '69 and '70.

[catcher24]

Well, Ed, Congrats (I think) on getting Stargell, and also on getting the player salary record. Welcome to the CKL mind numbing, brain cramping auction!!:laugh

[leecemark]

It's certainly worth the gamble, but with four new guys, each with 100M and hoping to compete right away.....

--Him not being picked would be losing my gamble. Cardenas is as good or better than Fregosi in 69. He stinks in 67-8 though.

[buppers]

Thank you, thank you very much. :)

see you guys later, lady luck calls.

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[catcher24]

--Him not being picked would be losing my gamble.

'Pretty sneaky, Mark. Maybe you should go play in the poker game, too.

[leecemark]

I'm betting on Jim Perry going unpicked, because I want him for '69 and '70.


--Perry is worth the money in 69-70. If you leave him unprotected I bet big on him getting picked.

[leecemark]

--Lets make it official, Stargell to the Badger for 23M (3-5 year deal).

[catcher24]

Mark, I think you still have to knock down Stargell for Ed for the third time.....

[catcher24]

Perry is worth the money in 69-70. If you leave him unprotected I bet big on him getting picked.

Have to agree with that assessment.

[leecemark]

'Pretty sneaky, Mark. Maybe you should go play in the poker game, too.

--I actually used the same strategy (if at a smaller price) for Earl Battey in the 63 free agent auction. I only wanted him for one year, but bid 8.5 then left him unpretected and he was picked in the 64 expansion draft.

[leecemark]

--Okay the bidding is open on all unsigned players. See you all again Tuesday night.

[catcher24]

Okay, second phase is underway. The Legends place the following bids:

Dave Ricketts, 250K
Jerry McNertney, 250K
Dick Tracewski, 250K
Julio Gotay, 250K

[baseballPAP]

Just made it back from an incredible high school football game......

Mark, could we get an updated file please?

[-Kyle-]

--Willie Davis sold to the Gamblers for 7.5M (2-4 year deal).

Sweet. Thanks. :waving

[mac195]

Mark, I see that Stu Miller is not on my roster. Remember I had originally intended to cut him, and you said that was a surprising move. I said, maybe I will keep him after all. I later erased his name from my list of non-tenders. However I did not announce this on the board. It's your call whether he was actually non-tendered or not. If you rule that he was, then I will bid on him now...

Stu Miller - $4.75 million

[leecemark]

--Well he was officially non-tendered and you never posted a reversal of that. I think you'll have to fight for him on the open market if you still want him.

[catcher24]

FREE AGENT BIDS

These are all of the bids as of Post # 213 (Mac). These are accurate as far as I know but I make no guarantees! I'll try to keep this updated to the final frenzy Tuesday night.

Julio Gotay - Legends, 250K

Jerry McNertney- Legends, 250K

Stu Miller – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Dave Ricketts - Legends, 250K

Dick Tracewski - Legends, 250K

[buppers]

C - Jake Gibbs - .25
SS - Tim Cullen - .50
SS - Ray Oyler - .25
RF - Bubba Morton - .50
OF - Al Spangler - .25
RF - Mike Hershberger - 1.00
2B Tito Fuentes - .50
SP - Pete Richert - .75
SP - Barry Moore - .75
SP - Jack Hamilton - .75

Thats it for now

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[mac195]

Bubba Morton - $4.75 M

[-Kyle-]

Bob Allen .25
And how does the contract size/length work? Like people have been putting there bids at 4.75m, is that minimum for 3 years or something?

[mac195]

From the rules thead on free agency:

D. Players signed as free agents are eligible for multi-year contracts. Contract length will depend on the salary paid, as follows:

a) Players signed for 8 million or more, contract must be 3 - 5 years.
b) Players signed for 5 million to 7.75 million, contract must be 2 – 4 years.
c) Players signed for less than 5 million, contract shall be 1 – 3 years.

So $4.75 M is the highest possible bid if you only want a one-year contract.

[jkc32]

Joe Gibbon, P, $4.75M

[baseballPAP]

Redbirds:
Richie Scheinblum 500K
Deron Johnson 250K
Pete Richert 5 M

[catcher24]

These are all of the bids as of Post # 221 (PAP). These are accurate as far as I know but I make no guarantees, so check to make sure your bids are here and correct!

Bob Allen – Gamblers, 250K

Tim Cullen – Badgers, 500K

Tito Fuentes – Badgers, 500K

Joe Gibbon – Shoeless Joes, 4.75M

Jake Gibbs – Badgers, 250K

Julio Gotay - Legends, 250K

Jack Hamilton – Badgers, 750K

Mike Hershberger – Badgers, 1M

Deron Johnson – Redbirds, 250K

Jerry McNertney- Legends, 250K

Stu Miller – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Barry Moore – Badgers, 750K

Bubba Morton – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Ray Oyler – Badgers, 250K

Pete Richert – Redbirds, 5M

Dave Ricketts - Legends, 250K

Richie Scheinblum – Redbirds, 500K

Al Spangler – Badgers, 250K

Dick Tracewski - Legends, 250K

[leecemark]

--If anybody has an IF slot to fill and would like to do it with somebody a little better than whats left in the free agent pool, the Knights have a real surplus of talent after signing Fregosi. Horace Clarke is a decent hitting, VG fielding and running everyday 2B. He is a definate upgrade for at least several teams and has some upside (his bat falls off in 68, but he is an EX fielder and 69 is his best overall season). As those with DMB experience can tell you, switch hitters tend to out perform their numbers so he should be even better than advertised. If 3B is what you need, then Don Wert may be your man. He hits and fields on a par with Clarke, but lacks the speed, switchhitting or upside. Either of them can be had for a future draft choice or a pitcher who cotributes in 68.
-- For a slightly higher price Cesar Tovar could be available. Tovar is a capable 2B/3B and VG in all three OF spots. He is a solid starter or great 10th man the next 2 seasons and a potential All Star for 2 more before he is eligible for free agency. Leo Cardenas could be had if its a SS you need. He is more or less a full time player for 67-8, although admittedly not an inspiring one. He is probably the 2nd best SS in basball in 69 and about 17M cheaper than my other option at the spot that year! He has a decent year as a starter in 1970 too.
--Finally, if its just a utility guy you need Jose Pagan is availlable at minimal cost. Pagan is a solid fielder almost anywhere on the diamond and brings a decent bat. He would be a solid platoon option at 2B/SS/3B as well as a handy utility option.

[Erik Bedard]

McNertney 500K
Allen 500K

[leecemark]

--The Knights announce a major trade with Buppers Badgers. Leecemark send Cesar Tovar, Horace Clarke and Woody Fryman to Buppers for Camilio Pascual and the Badgers first pick in the 1968 draft. Smokey Braithwaite had this to say of the deal "We hated to give up our 1965 first rounder Cesar Tovar who looks ready to contribute this season. Horace Clarke is also coming off a fine rookie season and figured to get alot of playing time this season. Woody Fryman is a little further away, but we think he will be a solid MLB starter. The chance to pick up the Badgers first rounder after what promises to be a rebuilding year for them was just too good to pass up though. Getting our old ace camilio Pascaul back was a nice bonus too, although he is not quite recovered from the elbow injury that wrecked his 1966 season."
--This trade does send the Knights back into the free agent pool. We were at 40, but this move drops us to 38 and 2 the traded players figured to make the Opening Day roster.

[J W]

OK:

Pete Cimino (4.75)
Dave Giusti (1.0)
Bill Graham (1.0)
Jay Ritchie (3.0)

[catcher24]

Nice trade, Mark. I tried to work out a trade for Ed's top pick next year, but all I had to offer was OFers and couple of pitchers. I guess he must've been looking for infielders. Looks like it'll work out well for both sides. I ran off ten sims this morning. Taking the usual caveats into consideration (lineups/rotation set by computer manager, over use of some players, etc.), it appears that Ed has a chance to escape the league cellar, and picking up Tovar will help. He had the worst overall record five of ten times, but had a couple of really decent seasons as well. I plan on running more sims once the FA auction is over.

[catcher24]

FREE AGENT BIDS

These are all of the bids as of Post # 227 (catcher24). These are accurate as far as I know but I make no guarantees, so check to make sure your bids are here and correct!!

Bob Allen – Gold Sox, 500K

Pete Cimino – Skipjacks, 4.75M

Tim Cullen – Badgers, 500K

Tito Fuentes – Badgers, 500K

Joe Gibbon – Shoeless Joes, 4.75M

Jake Gibbs – Badgers, 250K

Dave Giusti – Skipjacks, 1M

Julio Gotay - Legends, 250K

Bill Graham – Skipjacks, 1M

Jack Hamilton – Badgers, 750K

Mike Hershberger – Badgers, 1M

Deron Johnson – Redbirds, 250K

Jerry McNertney- Gold Sox, 500K

Stu Miller – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Barry Moore – Badgers, 750K

Bubba Morton – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Ray Oyler – Badgers, 250K

Pete Richert – Redbirds, 5M

Dave Ricketts - Legends, 250K

Jay Ritchie – Skipjacks, 3M

Richie Scheinblum – Redbirds, 500K

Al Spangler – Badgers, 250K

Dick Tracewski - Legends, 250K

[-Kyle-]

Bob Allen – Gold Sox, 500K

Curse my little cap...
Bob Allen 750k

[Erik Bedard]

Bob Allen 1M

[-Kyle-]

Bob Allen 1.75

[-Kyle-]

Jim Britton 250k
Jim Cosman 250k

[Erik Bedard]

Bob Allen 2M

[leecemark]

Nice trade, Mark. I tried to work out a trade for Ed's top pick next year, but all I had to offer was OFers and couple of pitchers. I guess he must've been looking for infielders. Looks like it'll work out well for both sides. I ran off ten sims this morning. Taking the usual caveats into consideration (lineups/rotation set by computer manager, over use of some players, etc.), it appears that Ed has a chance to escape the league cellar, and picking up Tovar will help. He had the worst overall record five of ten times, but had a couple of really decent seasons as well. I plan on running more sims once the FA auction is over.

--I'll be rooting for Ed and his Badgers to secure me that #1 pick:). Anything less than that and I'm not sure I improve myself that much. Bobby Bonds is the prize of rookie class IMO and can start (well 1/2 time anyway) right away. Andy Messersmith would be my 2nd choice and he is a very nice value who pays off quick too. After that I guess I like Al Oliver best, but he isn't really an upgrade on Tovar (much less Tovar and friends), except for the re-sign value. If Ed can get the Badgers to a better finsih than that then I think he has won the trade.

[buppers]

Badgers confirm trade with the Knights.

[buppers]

. Looks like it'll work out well for both sides. I ran off ten sims this morning. Taking the usual caveats into consideration (lineups/rotation set by computer manager, over use of some players, etc.), it appears that Ed has a chance to escape the league cellar, and picking up Tovar will help. He had the worst overall record five of ten times, but had a couple of really decent seasons as well. I plan on running more sims once the FA auction is over.

Thats about what I got too. Just want to make 3rd and move into the new division :)
Just hope I'm not TOO good and finish 2nd.

[-Kyle-]

Bob Allen 2M

Ouch...:hide:

Also, my roster says I have Hank Allen, yet so does Chris...also is Chris ever on anymore?

[leecemark]

--Chris has Bernie Allen. He (Chris not Bernie) has logged in a few times recently, but hasn't bothered to address the Cannons. Its starting to look like we may need new ownership for that team. If he doesn't get back in business before this auction closes tomorrow night I'll sign some minimum wage leftovers to fill out the roster and set up his managerial profile. The Cannons will start the season on autopilot until either Chris returns to claim them or another suitable owner is found. Chris has been a good owner since the beginning so I'm willing to go slow in replacing him.

[buppers]

--I'll be rooting for Ed and his Badgers to secure me that #1 pick:).

WOW!!! Way to root for the new guy. Actually hoping I finish last :eek:

And this after i get no respect during rookie signing and seeing Joe Niekro without CAPS.

And Mark, this is after you sweet-talked me into trading my #1 in 68 :)

Ed (The Rodney Dangerfield of the CKL)

[leecemark]

--Hey, some year when I finally have to tear things down and rebuild I'll be rooting for me to finish dead last:cap:. If you're going to lose, you might as well lose big:dance. Of course, all the better when you can root for somebody else to bring home that prize for you:gt.

[leecemark]

--Knights join this party with a bid of 250K for Elston Howard. Always room for a 38 year old catcher who has lost his bat speed on my ball club:).

[Erik Bedard]

--Chris has Bernie Allen. He (Chris not Bernie) has logged in a few times recently, but hasn't bothered to address the Cannons. Its starting to look like we may need new ownership for that team. If he doesn't get back in business before this auction closes tomorrow night I'll sign some minimum wage leftovers to fill out the roster and set up his managerial profile. The Cannons will start the season on autopilot until either Chris returns to claim them or another suitable owner is found. Chris has been a good owner since the beginning so I'm willing to go slow in replacing him.

His last post was on October 7th, so I don't know if it's a question of not caring. It may just be that he doesn't have enough free time. IIRC, he's a junior in high school, and from what I know, juniors don't have a lot of free time, not when they're as smart as Chris and also play football, which I think he does.

[leecemark]

--He hasn't posted, but he has logged in. Really whether he has lost interest or doesn't have time is all the same thing as far as the league goes anyway. If he isn't going to participate then we've got a hole to fill.

[catcher24]

Comments:

If you get the top pick, Bobby Bonds is a no-brainer choice. I traded for an additional pick next year, but I'm pretty sure it won't help me get Bonds. I think Scott has improved the Redbirds enough so that he won't be finishing in the basement. As for the next pick after Bonds, it would depend on what one needed. Messersmith would be the top pitcher, but if one needed a third baseman Bill Melton or Richie Hebner would likely be the choice. As far as OFers, I might be tempted to take Carlos May over Oliver if I was only looking at the six year window.

WOW!!! Way to root for the new guy. Actually hoping I finish last
And Mark, this is after you sweet-talked me into trading my #1 in 68

Yeah, that Mark is a great sweet-talker, then he turns on you in a New York second!:p:laugh

In all honesty, it was a gamble from both sides - which makes it a good trade.
And BTW, Ed, get in touch with me. I could really improve your team this season for your 1970 first rounder.....:laugh:nod::D


As far as Chris not participating, I sure hate to see that. It'd be tough to lose both Wil (no offense, here, Kyle - you've done a great job so far) and Chris in the same year, simply because they've been with us since the league's inception and were both good owners. If he plays football, maybe he'll show up again once the season is over, which should be soon.

[catcher24]

FREE AGENT BIDS

These are all of the bids as of Post # 244 (catcher24). These are accurate as far as I know but I make no guarantees, so check to make sure your bids are here and correct!! I'll try to do an update at 7:30, about a half hour prior to the final bidding frenzy.

Bob Allen – Gold Sox, 2M

Jim Britton – Gamblers, 250K

Pete Cimino – Skipjacks, 4.75M

Jim Cosman – Gamblers, 250K

Tim Cullen – Badgers, 500K

Tito Fuentes – Badgers, 500K

Joe Gibbon – Shoeless Joes, 4.75M

Jake Gibbs – Badgers, 250K

Dave Giusti – Skipjacks, 1M

Julio Gotay - Legends, 250K

Bill Graham – Skipjacks, 1M

Jack Hamilton – Badgers, 750K

Mike Hershberger – Badgers, 1M

Elston Howard – Knights, 250K

Deron Johnson – Redbirds, 250K

Jerry McNertney- Gold Sox, 500K

Stu Miller – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Barry Moore – Badgers, 750K

Bubba Morton – Hard Cider, 4.75M

Ray Oyler – Badgers, 250K

Pete Richert – Redbirds, 5M

Dave Ricketts - Legends, 250K

Jay Ritchie – Skipjacks, 3M

Richie Scheinblum – Redbirds, 500K

Al Spangler – Badgers, 250K

Dick Tracewski - Legends, 250K

[buppers]

Badgers place following bids

Pitchers -
Dave Giusti - 1.25
Bruce Howard - .25
Bob Priddy - .25
Bill Dillman - .25
Bob Humphreys - .25
Juan Pizarro - .25

Players -
Jimmie Hall - .25
Vic Davalillo - .25
Bill White - .25
Phil Roof - .25
John Kennedy - .25
Bobby Wine - .25

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[-Kyle-]

Vic Davalillo .25

[catcher24]

Kyle - Ed already put in a 250K bid on Davalillo, in the post just prior to yours. You may have missed it among the crowd! :)

[-Kyle-]

Vic Davalillo .5

[J W]

Giusti 1.5 mil