1967 Rookie Draft

[leecemark]

--The draft officially begins tonight (Ocober 26) at 8PM EST. The clock starts ticking then, but early drafting may begin whenever Lew is ready and continue with anyone else in line who is ready to pick.


1st round
1 Million dollar contracts
1) Legends from Stingers: Tom Seaver
2) Gold Sox: Johnny Bench
3) Redbirds from Pirates: Reggie Jackson
4) Redbirds: Rod Carew
750K contract
5) Gamblers from Shoeless Joes: Jerry Koosman
6) Shoeless Joes from Gamblers: Gary Nolan
7) Legends from Cannons: Sparky Lyle
8) Diablos: Pat Dobson
500 K contracts
9) Knights from Skipjacks: Manny Sanguillen
10) Legends: Doug Radar
11) Legends from Hard Cider: Amos Otis
12) Skipjacks from Knights: Graig Nettles

2nd round (250K)
13) Stingers: Pat Kelly
14) Hard Cider from Gold Sox: Jim Hardin
15) Hard Cider from Pirates: Bob Moosel
16) Redbirds: Mike Marshall
17) Shoeless Joes: Ken Boswell
18) Gamblers: Bill Stoneman
19) Legends from Cannons: Roger Nelson
20) Diablos: George Stone
21) Skipjacks: Danny Frisella
22) Legends: Joe Rudi
23) Redbirds from Hard Cider: Bob Robertson
24) Skipjacks from Knights: Ray Fosse

3rd Round (250K)
25) Stingers: Aurileo Rodriguez
26) Hard Cider from Gold Sox: Cisco Carlos
27) Badgers: Joe Neikro
28) Redbirds: Frank Fernandez
29) Shoeless Joes: Cito Gaston
30) Gamblers: Gary Waslewski
31) Cannons: pass
32) Diablos: Rickey Clark
33) Skipjacks: Dave Leonhard
34) Legends: Ed Hermann
35) Hard Cider: Alan Foster
36) Knights: Ron Bryant

4th Round (250K)
37) Stingers: Tony Pierce
38) Gold Sox: Mike Torrez
39) Badgers: Russ Gibson
40) Redbirds: Ramon Hernandez
41) Shoeless Joes: Don Shaw
42) Gamblers: Bruce Dal Canton
43) Gold Sox from Cannons: Jim Weaver
44) Diablos: Jim Price
45) Skipjacks: Ray Webster
46) Legends: Dave May
47) Hard Cider: pass
48) Knights: Mike Lum

5th round
Stingers: pass
Gold Sox: Wayne Comer
Badgers: pass
Redbirds: Hal King
Shoeless Joes: pass
Gamblers: Pass
Cannons: (still have 3rd rounder pending)
Diablos: pass
Skipjacks: Jerry Kenney
Legends: Pass
Hard Cider: Pass
Kinghts: Ken Brett

6th round
Stingers: pass
Gold Sox: Ted Kubiak
Badgers: pass
Redbirds: pass
Shoeless Joes: pass
Gamblers: Pass
Cannons: (still have 3rd rounder pending)
Diablos: pass
Skipjacks: pass
Legends: Pass
Hard Cider: Pass
Kinghts: pass

[Erik Bedard]

Mark, the Hard Cider's second rounder belongs to the Redbirds from the Gonzalez deal.

[-Kyle-]

Proxy sent to Leecemark, wish me luck at our game. :)

[J W]

Diamond Mind Press

In a day and age where pitching rules the roost, the Legends are playing the smart card and going after the best one in what may be the richest draft class in the short history of DMCKL baseball.

Young hurler Tom Seaver is about to sign a max rookie contract, expected to be worth $13.5 mil over 6 years, becoming the richest rookie in DMCKL history. Seaver, out of USC, is expected to start immediately for the team.

Legends manager Gene Mauch: "A pitcher like this doesn't come around very often. We'd be fortunate to get him after the season we just had."

The Legends own the first pick in this year's draft via trade with the Stingers.

Seaver would join Fergie Jenkins and Luis Tiant spearheading a rock-solid pitching staff that finished 2nd in the league in ERA last season, helping the Legends to their first division title since the DMCKL's inception in 1961. The Legends ended a 4-year streak by the Skipjacks.

Critics say that heat may be on the abrasive Mauch to get past the first round of the playoffs, something the Legends have yet to accomplish.

"Pitching and defense is an easy formula," says Mauch. "You play hard, you play right, and you'll force your opponent to make mistakes. We have to start taking more advantage of the opportunities given us. We do that and you'll see us where we should be at the end."

[leecemark]

Proxy sent to Leecemark, wish me luck at our game. :)

--Good luck to you. What position do you play?

[Erik Bedard]

Since Seaver going to the Legends appears to be a foregone conclusion, the Gold Sox front office announces that they are "very intrigued" by the choice that awaits them. On the one hand, they have young slugging outfielder Reginald Martinez "Reggie" Jackson, from Oakland by way of Arizona State, where he will be declaring for the draft after his sophomore year. One the other hand, they have catcher Johnny Bench out of Binger High School in Oklahoma, who has been drawing attention from the likes of former ML great Ted Williams, who has already pronounced him a sure-fire Hall of Famer. Jackson is not without his share of accolades, not a few of which come from himself. A two-sport star at ASU and the son of a former Negro Leaguer, Jackson is sure to go high in this draft, as is Bench. Both are excellent players, and either one could be a #1 overall choice in a weaker year.

Other factors in the Gold Sox decision include 1964 third-round pick Randy Hundley, who has been waiting patiently for the starting catcher job, and may find himself without one a year from now if the Gold Sox go with Bench. The Gold Sox also recently acquired outfielder Tony Gonzalez from the Redbirds. Gonzalez played for the current Gold Sox owner when he controlled the now-defunct Philadelphia Phillies franchise, and is expected to play a major role in the upcoming season. Add in Ron Swoboda and Pete Ward, and there may not be room in the Gold Sox outfield for Jackson.

It is no secret that if USC's Tom Seaver lasts past the Legends at #1, the Gold Sox will snatch him up faster than a swarm of piranhas on a raw hamburger. That scenario is, however, very unlikely. Rumor has it that a decision has not yet been made in the Gold Sox camp. Both men scored within .02 of each other on the Gold Sox' new and improved draft value scale, which ranges from zero to 60, and both men play positions that do not need filling for the Gold Sox in the upcoming seasons, so word has it that the decision may come down to something as simple as a coin flip.

P.S. I'll probably leave the draft after I make my pick. My school has a football game, and we're actually sort of decent this year.

[leecemark]

--With the mystery of the first pick apparently behind us the prognosticators turn their attention to the Gold Sox, then a pair of Redbird selections. Many scouts consider Johnny Bench to be the best catching prospect they've ever seen. Bench has a rifle arm, is exceptionally athletic behind the plate and has power that plays anywhere. Scouts are also high on Reggie Jackson. Jackson may be the best power speed combo to come along since Willie Mays, although he is a little raw defensively and may end up in RF rather than CF. Scouts also can't say enough about the sweet swing of Rod Carew. The young IF is destined for multiple batting titles if half the buzz is true.
--Those three highlight a great group of prospects, several of whom look polished enough to contribute immediately. The next generation of CKL stars look to make their first impression tonight.

[catcher24]

It is no secret that if USC's Tom Seaver lasts past the Legends at #1, the Gold Sox will snatch him up faster than a swarm of piranhas on a raw hamburger

Gonna be some hungry piranhas.....:laugh :nod:

Nicely put, however!

[Erik Bedard]

Awwwww..... :laugh :D

[catcher24]

It is generally accepted that the Legends will take Tom Seaver with the #1 pick. Let me lay all the speculation to rest. With the number one pick, the Legends DO take:

30863

As JW so skillfully put it above, Legends management feels that Seaver is the best young pitcher to come along yet in the CKL's formative years, and will be using him immediately in this year's rotation. Together with Luis Tiant, Fergie Jenkins and Tommy John, the Legends feel they have the staff to go all the way this season!:clapping :gt

Good luck to everyone else in tonight's draft.

[leecemark]

--Dan, the Gold Sox may pick now. You've got till 805 EST. Everyone please pick as qucikly as possible when your turn comes around. The full 5 minutes for each pick would have us going 3 hours for tonight's 3 rounds. Less would be better:crossfingers: .

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox had a very tough choice going into this draft, which was made even harder by the Legends taking the clear-cut #1 guy, Tom Seaver. Management was divided on who to select, even up to just minutes before the Legends made their pick.

We have, however, come to a decision.

With the #2 overall pick in the 1967 Rookie Draft, the EB Gold Sox select:

Johnny Bench, C, Binger High School, Binger, OK

[catcher24]

Nice job on that card, Dan! :clapping :applaud: :thumbsup:

[leecemark]

--Redbirds up for 2. FWIW, I would have taken Bench at #1 if I'd had the pick.

[catcher24]

Okay, Scott has the third pick. I have been instructed to take:

http://i13.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/be/24/486c_1.JPG

REGGIE JACKSON

[catcher24]

Also, with the fourth pick, the Redbirds take:

http://i4.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/b9/84/cb24_1.JPG

ROD CAREW

[catcher24]

And now that the big four are gone, it will get quite interesting.....;) :nod: :lookitup

[leecemark]

--The Gamblers select SP Jerry Koosman.

[leecemark]

--The Shoeless Joes select SP Gary Nolan.

[leecemark]

--Legends back on the clock.

[catcher24]

Well, I was really hoping one of those two would sneak through to #7, but since they didn't this'll take a couple minutes so I can decide....

[catcher24]

Legends management has decided to take, with the seventh draft pick:

http://i11.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a8/fc/6959_1.JPG

SPARKY LYLE

[Wasp]

Just posting to say I'm here. :) Anyway, just for the record, after that trade with Lew, I am at 28 players-80.25 million. Doesn't look like I'll be a big spender this year. :x

[leecemark]

--The Diablos take RP/SP Pat Dobson.

[leecemark]

--The Skipjacks are up...unless of course we have a deal, JW?

[leecemark]

--JW doesn't appear to have arrived yet, but with the BBF clock lagging even more than usual its only quarter to 8. Clock will expire at 805 EST if Jason hasn't made it by then, with the Legends up for 2 picks.

[catcher24]

Time check....

[leecemark]

--JW, I see you've arrived. 2 minutes on the clock to make a pick or a deal.

[J W]

Sorry for the delay...

The Skipjacks are trading their next pick, 9th overall w/ the Knights, for their 12th and 24th overall picks.

Take it away Mark

[catcher24]

Just in time, JW. I know Mark is going to take the same player with your pick that I was all set to take.....

[leecemark]

--The Knights confirm the deal and select C Manny Sanguillen.

[catcher24]

...and that's the player!:cry: :nod:

Oh, well. Couldn't you have stayed away two more minutes, JW?

[leecemark]

--Was that your man Lew? He is no Bench, but he will give 4 solid years as a starter, just when McCarver starts running out of gas and has some re-sign value past that.

[catcher24]

With their next pick, the Legends take:

http://i1.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/be/4a/4c4a_1.JPG

DOUG RADER

[catcher24]

--Was that your man Lew?

Sure was. I had the picture all picked out to post! IMHO, he was also the best player left. But the fact you would've taken Bench over Seaver (mentioned earlier) led me to believe that you were looking for a catcher, and he was no doubt the best available, excluding Bench.

[catcher24]

And with their final pick of the first round, the Legends take:

http://i13.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/be/94/0d0a_1.JPG

AMOS OTIS

[leecemark]

--A little surprised by your selection. There seems to be a significantly better 3B on the board, although Radar pays off a little quicker.

[mac195]

Otis is a good pick. I remember having his baseball card.

[J W]

With the 12th and final pick of the 1st round, the Skipjacks select:

Graig Nettles

...edit-something funky going on with my image files

[leecemark]

--On to the 2nd round and the Stingers first pick of the night.

[leecemark]

With the 12th and final pick of the 1st round, the Skipjacks select:

Graig Nettles

...edit-something funky going on with my image files

--That worked out pretty good for you I think. Was Nettles your man if you'd kept the 9th pick?

[J W]

Actually no. We would've taken Sanguillen. We were hoping for but not expecting Gary Nolan.

Nettles will be available for trade. Contact me if you want him. We're looking for pitching mainly.

[Wasp]

The Stingers select OF Pat Kelly as their first pick of the night.

[leecemark]

-The Hard Cider are up for their first pick of the night

[mac195]

OK... I'm here.

P Jim Hardin
P Bob Moose

[mac195]

Nettles is gone... just a sec.

[catcher24]

-A little surprised by your selection. There seems to be a significantly better 3B on the board, although Radar pays off a little quicker.

I thought about Nettles, and it was between him and Rader. But as you note, Rader pays off immediately (albeit as a backup the first year), and actually has a better OPS+ than Nettles every year until 1971. I needed a backup for next season, and then expect to be moving whichever one I took, so I needed the short term production more this time.

[leecemark]

--Redbirds up....you have the pick Lew?

[catcher24]

Give me a minute, Mark. No list on these - I'll have to make a choice.

[catcher24]

The Redbirds take pitcher MIKE MARSHALL.

[J W]

erg, I hate the fact you and I have such similar draft boards, Lew. :cap:

[mac195]

Are the Joes here?

[catcher24]

I would've preferred getting one of the three players just taken (Kelly, Hardin, Moose) for Scott, but of course they were no longer available. There were some really big names in this draft, but it gets thin pretty quickly.

[catcher24]

Are the Joes here?

I believe Mark has their list.

[leecemark]

--Sorry I've got their list. The Joes select 2B Ken Boswell.

[leecemark]

--The Gamblers select SP Bill Stoneman.

[leecemark]

--Legends up again....

[catcher24]

The Legends take:

http://i3.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/be/a8/c3a9_1_b.JPG

ROGER NELSON

[leecemark]

--The Diablos take George Stone. Skipjacks on the clock.

[catcher24]

Never mind, it fell through!

[J W]

The Skipjacks confirm, and thank the Legends for taking Nelson, although we would've drafted Stone. :laugh

Pick in a sec

[catcher24]

Go ahead and pick, Jason, and I'll take mine.

[J W]

The Skipjacks continue their focus on pitching with the selection of Danny Frisella.

[catcher24]

Sorry, guys, Jason and I had a little confusion over a possible trade. At this point it seems to be cancelled, and Jason is on the clock, then I'm up.:crazy

[leecemark]

--Actually by the terms of the deal posted (although since deleted and then confirmed????) the next two picks would be Skipjacks. Or did Nelson replace the 2nd rounder in the deal.

[J W]

Oh, ok... well, uh, do you wanna trade Lew?

:laugh

[catcher24]

Good pick, Jason. My last pick was between Nelson and Frisella.

With Frisella now gone, the Legends take:

http://i23.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/be/0a/c9c7_1.JPG

JOE RUDI

[leecemark]

--I guess no trade then?

[catcher24]

--Actually by the terms of the deal posted (although since deleted and then confirmed????) the next two picks would be Skipjacks. Or did Nelson replace the 2nd rounder in the deal.

Jason and I had some PMs between us, and it appeared he had decided not to make the deal when I withdrew the post. If he wishes, I'll honor the original deal, withdraw Rudi, and he can make the pick. But Nelson is not involved in any way.

[buppers]

Who-Hoo only 4 more picks before I get a player :)

The front office cannot contain their excitement any longer !!!

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[J W]

just a sec, sorry guys, need to clear my head

[leecemark]

--Redbirds (Lew picking?)
--Skipjacks
--Stingers
--hard cider
--Pirates

[J W]

The Rudi pick is fine. I'll continue talks w/ Lew.

[buppers]

isn't there a Hard Cider pick in there?

[catcher24]

My bad, guys. I made the offer to Jason, then things got a little messed up between us.

[catcher24]

OK, we'll go on then. The Redbirds are up, Mark? I show Gold Sox via Hard Cider.

[leecemark]

isn't there a Hard Cider pick in there?

--yeah, but mac does need any more help:laugh

[J W]

I have the Gold Sox as well Mark.

[leecemark]

--The Gold Sox picked up the Hard Cider 2nd rounder, but traded it to the Redbirds

[J W]

Ah, ok... Redbirds then

[buppers]

3rd Round (250K)
25) Stingers:
26) Hard Cider from Gold Sox:
27) Pirates:

[J W]

We're on pick #23 right now... Redbirds, Skipjacks... then Stingers, etc

[leecemark]

--i guess 3 hours it will be

[catcher24]

OK, if the Redbirds are up, then they take BOB ROBERTSON.

[catcher24]

I sincerely apologize for the confusion I created and the delay it caused. And this doesn't happen every time, Ed, I assure you.

[buppers]

no worries :)

[J W]

With the 24th pick, the Skipjacks select:

Ray Fosse

...image center still down for some reason

[-Kyle-]

I am here but going to bed...thanks LeeceMark :)

[buppers]

NOW theres worries :(

[-Kyle-]

--Good luck to you. What position do you play?

Cornerback/OLB and Wideout (X), but I am a backup on Varsity and a starter on JV...next year I am going to be a starter though.

[leecemark]

I sincerely apologize for the confusion I created and the delay it caused. And this doesn't happen every time, Ed, I assure you.

--actually there is confusion and delay, its part of our charm:D .

[leecemark]

With the 24th pick, the Skipjacks select:

Ray Fosse

...image center still down for some reason

Fosse would have been my 1st round choice if i hadn't traded up for sanguillen

[Wasp]

The Stingers take 3B Aurelio Rodriguez

[mac195]

P Cisco Carlos

[leecemark]

--Hard Cider, then Ed finally gets his first CKL pick

[buppers]

Am I UP?

Ed

[catcher24]

Sure a tough spot to make your first pick, Ed!:nosleep: :sorry:

[catcher24]

You're up Ed.

[buppers]

Joe Niekro - P

[leecemark]

--Redbirds, Joes, Gamblers and then the Cannons first pick of the draft

[catcher24]

The Redbirds take catcher Frank Fernandez.

[leecemark]

--The Joes take Cito Gaston
--The Gamblers take Gary Waslewski
--Cannons up, but Chris has not been around - did he provide a list to anyone?

[Erik Bedard]

Either way, I show him as timed out now. Oh, yeah, I'm back. We won.

[buppers]

Call me paranoid but... Joe Niekro is the only drafted player not given the courtesy of having his name capitalized. Looks like the new kid on the block has to EARN respect :)

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[leecemark]

--Cannons clock expired
--Diablos take Rickey Clark
--Skipjacks up

[leecemark]

Call me paranoid but... Joe Niekro is the only drafted player not given the courtesy of having his name capitalized. Looks like the new kid on the block has to EARN respect :)

Ed - Buppers Badgers

--well he is the lesser neikro:laugh . Actualy I've had one hand tied up with a little one the last half of the draft and my ability to use the shift key has been intermittent.

[J W]

The Skipjacks will take pitcher Dave Leonhard in a tough choice over another player.

[catcher24]

Mark, are you going to stop after the third round and go on the eight hour clock? I'll make my pick as soon as Jason goes (or before if he times out), then I'll be off for tonight.

[catcher24]

The Legends take:

http://i22.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/be/3a/6504_1.JPG

ED HERRMANN

[mac195]

Yeah, Herrmann is a great pick at this point. I was hoping he'd fall one more spot.

Not much left... I'll go with P Alan Foster

[catcher24]

He was the best player left, IMHO. There are really only four or five more players I even have listed at this point.

Good luck to all. Back tomorrow.:waving

[J W]

Yep, Herrmann was the other player. ;)

[catcher24]

Unfortunately for Scott, I didn't have Leonhard on my list at all because of all the pitchers I already have. I'd have taken him for Scott earlier over Bob Robertson or Frank Fernandez.

[Erik Bedard]

If Mark and Max are still here, I'd like to make a pick before I go to bed.

[leecemark]

--The Knights select Ron Bryant.
--That concludes the 3rd round. We're on the 8 hour clock from now on. Draft concludes at the start of the free agent auction next Friday or when everybody passes, whichever comes first.

[Erik Bedard]

Okay, I'm going to bed now. I've got a few guys left who I might take, but Leonhard was the last guy I was targeting.

[Wasp]

The Stingers take RP Tony Pierce.

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox take SP Mike Torrez.

[leecemark]

--Badgers on the clock thru 3PM. Redbirds up then or after Badgers pick, whichever comes first.

[leecemark]

1) Redbirds: Two future Hall of Famer and a future CYA winner (if he can be re-signed), plus a 1B with a few years as a serious power hitter and a decent backup catcher. Carew and Marshall will make significant contributions this year and Carew and Jackson could be leading a contender by 1969.
2) Legends: Land the best SP of his generation, who will contribute immediately, and arguably the best LH reliever of his generation, who also contributes immediately. Amos Otis may be the best CF of the first half of the 70s, although his best years are post-free agent eliguibilty and expansion. Rudi, Nelson and Hermann all have at least a few years of solid contribution.
3) Skipjacks: Got here without high picks, gaining good value all 4 times. Nettles is a solid starter 3 years before FA eligibility and would be a great 5 year sign when he gets there. Fosse gives an All Star and 2 solid starter years behind the plate before FA, Friselaand Leonhard both have several nice seasons out of the pen.
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4) Gold Sox: Johnny Bench provides 5 great years (2 MVP) before free agent eligibility and would be a great re-sign on a 5 year deal. Not another pick till the 4th round, but Torrez might help a little.
5) Hard Cider: Mac always finds the hidden gems, even if their value is sometimes in small does. Jim Hardin and Cisco Carlos are both terrific out of the pen this year and Hardin has a nice year as a SP in 68. Bob Moose has several good years and Alan Foster is a nice arm for the end of the 3rd round.
6) Shoeless Joes: Gary Nolan is a top pitcher right away and very good, if injury prone, for all 6 pre-free agency seasons with some re-sign vakue. Ken Boswell has several years as a solid platoon option in the IF and Cito Gaston flukes into an All Star year in the OF.
7) Gamblers: Koosman provides 5 very good seasons in the rotation and has some re-sign value. Stoneman has some years as a solid starter and Waslewski helps out right away.
8) Knights: my expectations were low, but Manny Sanguillen was the guy I wanted. He'll be a good starting catcher for me from 69-72 and has soem re-sign value. Ron Bryant is a verrry long term project, but if he makes it through the expansion draft he'll give me one outstanding year in the rotation - 1972 or bust!.
9) Diablos: Pat Dobson isn't a very sexy 1st rounder, but he is a solid reliever for 3 years and a solid starter for 3 more. Rickey Clark helps immediately as a 5th starter/long releiver. George Stone has some decent seasons.
10) Badgers: Didn't have a pick til the third round, but got decent value there in Joe Neikro. Neikro is decent several years prior to FA and could be a real steal if re-signed.
11) Stingers: Also no pick til the third. The original A-Rod provides a slick glove, but only one year as an above average hitter. Tony Pierce is a solid lefty arm out of the pen, providing some immediate value.
12) Cannons: yet another team who didn't have a pick until the 3rd round. The Cannons didn't show for that pick and are still looking to get their first choice in.

[buppers]

Badgers start filling hole at C (temporarily, at least) by signing Russ Gibson.

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[leecemark]

--Sorry Ed the free agent signing period is not yet open. There will be a live auction of the top free agents next Friday and then an open bidding period for sevral days after, concluding on the following Tuesday night (you'd be surprised how expensive some uninspiting players get when sveral teams are desperate to fill a hole). Whoever has holes after that can sign the remaining players at minimum wage, first come first served.

[Erik Bedard]

Gibson is a rookie, so he can be drafted.

[leecemark]

--So he is. My mistake. Redbirds on the clock.

[baseballPAP]

The Redbirds take Pat Dobson, adding to the stable of mediocre arms :)

[Erik Bedard]

I think he was taken in the first round by the Diablos.

[leecemark]

--The first post of this thread is up to date on who was taken by whom. Dobson was the Diablos 1st round selection.

[catcher24]

The Redbirds take Pat Dobson, adding to the stable of mediocre arms

I would've grabbed him for you if he was still available when your turn came in round two, Scott. He was actually one of the best pitchers available in this draft.

Mark, in your handicapping you forgot to consider that I also got Mike Cuellar as a result of this draft, too, returning the Gamblers' first rounder to Kyle for his pick back. So that first round netted me Seaver, Cuellar, Lyle, Rader (perhaps a mistake, but fit my needs better right now than Nettles did) and Otis, with the second round bringing Nelson and Rudi.

[-Kyle-]

I can be active for the rest of the draft...we beat Medfield 14-7 in a great game. :)
http://bostonherald.com/sports/high_school/football/view.bg?articleid=1040788

-Also, in trading Cuellar, I got my pick back which I was trying to trade up for. Pap said his needs were long term second base, and pitching, so I assumed Jackson would fall to five. Sadly, he didn't but Koosman and Cuellar are basically a wash, with Cuellar sticking with the Legends down the stretch. The trade does give me some cap relief, and hopefully allow the Gamblers to sign a Premium FA. I also lost a 2nd pick, but I think it balances out with the cap relief.

[leecemark]

--Right now I've only identified 4 players who qualify as "premium free agent" for the live auction. Willie Stargell and Jim Fregosi are the guys who figure to break the bank. Mike McCormick was the 1967 NL CYA wiiner, although it perhaps wasn't the greatest selection the writers ever made. Willie Davis is a decent CF option for the next 2 years with some very good years after that. Suggestions for other PFA are welcome, but as of now it will be a quick one and then on to the secondary auction.

[Erik Bedard]

Somebody's clock has passed.

[-Kyle-]

Pap's clock expired so Joe's are up?

[Erik Bedard]

I've got the Joes up until 2:14 AM, then me.

[leecemark]

--The Joes take Don Shaw

[leecemark]

--Gamblers on the clock, followed by Gold Sox

[-Kyle-]

Bruce Dal Canton

[catcher24]

Boy, I wondered when Dal Canton was going to go. The guy wasn't fantastic, but he does have three decent seasons out of the first six, and then has some resign value. Can't believe he lasted until the 42nd pick!:o

That only leaves two on my entire draft list. Maybe one of them will last until my pick. If not, I'll be done.

[baseballPAP]

Ahhh I didn't look high enough.
The Redbirds will take Ramon Hernandez.

[leecemark]

--Gold Sox on the clock, followed by the Diablos.
--The Cannons still haven't made up their 3rd rounder. Has anyone heard from Chris recently?

[Erik Bedard]

I wanted Dal Canton and Hernandez. Hold on a sec.

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox take Jim Weaver.

[catcher24]

Well, Hernandez was one of the two I had left on my list. He's definitely a long term project, but that last season is simply awesome, and then he has great resign value as well. Very decent pick with what amounts to the 42nd pick, Scott. I'm probably done, even if no one takes the final player on my list, since he's quite a long term project too and I'm already loaded at that position. I'll see what happens.

No, I haven't seen Chris on for a while, but I don't check too many threads any more. Perhaps someone who frequents other boards has heard from him.

[buppers]

I see several long term prospects still out there. Any advice on whether to grab them (if available on my turn) or hold onto the money and roster spots for free agency?

Ed - Buppers Badgers

[catcher24]

Since you have the game, Ed, check out how many players there are by position (that you need to fill) and maybe look at other owners' rosters to see how much bidding might take place for a particular player (that is, how many other owners need to fill the same position!).

I personally think that if you see a rookie who may help you, go ahead and draft him. It only costs 250K off your cap, and if he doesn't play in the majors during the season, he's still 250K next season, and even the third season if he doesn't play the first two. After the third season his salary will double per the rules, but even then he's only 500K if he hasn't played in the bigs. If you decide later that you can't really use him, you just release him and save his salary for the next season.

One caveat here - we'll be having the expansion after 1968, so you might lose some of those guys in the expansion draft. If they can't help you much before then, and aren't worth protecting, I personally wouldn't take them under those circumstances.
Hope that helps.

[leecemark]

--That had been my thought for several seasons now, Lew, but I've changed my mind somewhat on that. The more players you expose in the expansion draft the more you'll have a chance to pull back. If a forward looking new owner claims a long term prospect maybe that saves you your 5th starter, middle releiver or a good bench player. If they take the guy who has moderate value right away then maybe you get to hang on to your prospect.
--Of course, it depends on your immediate needs. The Badgers have alot of holes to fill for 67. I don't really need anybody. If I don't sign one of the big ticket guys I don't even want any of the remaining riffraff. Any warm, minimum wage body would do to round out the 40 man.

[ElHalo]

I'm actually happy with the way the draft turned out for me (thanks, Mark!). I was terribly disappointed with getting the 8th pick (not least because it meant I lost both my playoff spot and Willie Stargell); there were seven clear winners in this draft, in my book, who all went before my spot. Dobson was my next choice, but there was a clear dropoff after Lyle. Sanguillen's probably more valuable, but pitchers are always hard to come by, and I was worried I might not get anything out of Sanguillen before losing him in the expansion draft.

However, George Stone gives three pretty decent years as a starting pitcher, and Rickey Clark jumps right into my rotation as a rookie, which isn't too bad (although what he does after that is too bad). Better than I was hoping for with the second and third round picks.

[ElHalo]

Oh, and since I believe I'm on the clock, I'll take Jim Price.

[catcher24]

--That had been my thought for several seasons now, Lew, but I've changed my mind somewhat on that. The more players you expose in the expansion draft the more you'll have a chance to pull back. If a forward looking new owner claims a long term prospect maybe that saves you your 5th starter, middle releiver or a good bench player. If they take the guy who has moderate value right away then maybe you get to hang on to your prospect.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, Mark. As you know, I've been taking as many rookies as I can for several drafts, and hanging onto them until they become useful - either as a player, or as a trade inclusion. And I do plan on going into the expansion draft (or at least the off season - who knows what might develop with trades?:nod: ) with as full a roster as possible. Heck, if I can go in with all 40 players signed for 1969, I figure it's a big advantage. Of course, what happens in the expansion draft will depend on the owners and what they hope to accomplish - build for the future, or win as soon as possible. I think you'll find both among our four new owners, and it will depend on who takes your player whether they'll go after your decent fourth starter or your outfielder who doesn't contribute until 1971. So basically it's a crap shoot any way you look at it - just have as many bodies as possible going into the off season!

[leecemark]

--The Skipjacks select Ray Webster.
--Legends on the clock.

[-Kyle-]

--The Skipjacks select Ray Webster.

He was on my list.
I still have one, maybe two more people I want to draft.

[mac195]

Hard Cider pass on the rest of this draft.

[baseballPAP]

4 guys left on the Redbirds' draft board.....hopefully I can manage 2 of them before they're all gone.....

[catcher24]

The Legends select Dave May.

The Legends now pass for the remainder of the draft.

[leecemark]

--The Knights take Mike Lum, concluding the 4th round.
--Stingers on the clock.
--Anyone who is done please post that so the teams still interested can move along.

[Erik Bedard]

Lum and May were the last two guys on my initial list. I think I've got one more left on my updated list, though.

[buppers]

Badgers are done. Will fill roster from Free Agency.

Ed

[jkc32]

Shoeless is done.

[-Kyle-]

--deleted--

[Erik Bedard]

Not sure how it's your pick...

[-Kyle-]

I thought Shoeless Joe's were up and he passed...so I figured it was my turn? Real Sorry then. Its a bad habit I have of drafting when its not my turn.

[Erik Bedard]

Last pick was the Knights ending the 4th round, then the Badgers and Joes passed on all remaining picks. I think I did the same thing in my first draft as well.

[leecemark]

--Badger, legends and Joes have all passed for the 5th round. I doubt I'll take anybody else, but I do have a couple prospects left so if they slip through I am not officially withdrawing from the draft.

[Wasp]

The Stingers pass on their remaining picks.

[Erik Bedard]

Pick coming when I get home. Just need to double-check some stuff.

[Erik Bedard]

Wayne Comer.

[leecemark]

Badgers on the clock. Shoeless has passed, so Gamblers are on deck.

[-Kyle-]

After a lot of consideration, the Gamblers decided to stop drafting.

[baseballPAP]

I don't think I passed, and it seems like I should have had a pick coming here....so.....
I'll take (if I can) Hal King.

[leecemark]

--You can.
--Diablos on the clock. Badgers and Cannons (x2) have make up picks if they want them.

[ElHalo]

Pass......

[leecemark]

--The Knights select Ken Brett. The Gold Sox are on the clock for round 6 and anybody who missed their pick in round 5 and wants to make it up may go whenever.

[-Kyle-]

--The Knights select Ken Brett. The Gold Sox are on the clock for round 6 and anybody who missed their pick in round 5 and wants to make it up may go whenever.

I was considering him,but I would probably lose him to the 1969 expansion.

[leecemark]

--I'll only be protecting one of the 4 players I drafted this year, but hope that 1-2 of the unprotected ones slip through. Of not, somebody has to occuppy the minimum wage spots at the back of the 40 man. Might as well be rookies as free agent dregs.

[Erik Bedard]

The Gold Sox take Ted Kubiak, and are done drafting.

[catcher24]

somebody has to occuppy the minimum wage spots at the back of the 40 man. Might as well be rookies as free agent dregs.

An excellent strategy, Mark. One I generally follow myself. Had I made my two trades earlier, I would've probably taken one or two more rookies, but at the time my roster was full, or nearly so and I couldn't get what I need for 1967 in the rookie draft. Those extras always come in handy, whether contributing for a season or two, as add ins in a trade, or in this case with expansion looming on the horizon.

[baseballPAP]

Kubiak was the end of my list....Redbirds are done.

[J W]

Kenney will be our last selection; thanks.

[J W]

Just so you all know, the Skipjacks still want starting pitching and are offering both Graig Nettles and Ray Fosse up for trade. If you're a team looking to rebuild for the future, these are two big parts. We don't need world-beaters but we do need solid, durable (IP) pitchers for 1967 and beyond.

[leecemark]

--I believe everyone has completed their draft except the Cannons, who missed the entire thing, and the Gold Sox. If either of you want anybody else feel free to claim them. If anybody else has changed their mind and wants to draft another rookie that is okay too.

[Erik Bedard]

I passed after I took Kubiak, so it looks like it's just Chris, if he ever shows up.

[catcher24]

Well, in addition to the really big names, this draft produced the second most overall selections as well. The only draft with more players taken was 1964, when 62 players were taken. So the 1967 draft was big in both ways after all!:thumbsup: