Ballparks That Taint Records...

[Ralph Zig Tyko]

... most?
Coors Field [before humidifier], the bandbox, Ebbets, or..?

[Elvis]

I'll say Braves Field 1915-25

Total number of home runs hit at Braves Field from 1915-1925: 0

Runner up would be Los Angeles' Wrigley Field in 1961. With its 345 ft. power alleys, an average of more than 3 homers per game were hit there in that one season as a big league ballpark--a ML record.

[philipthegreat]

I hope I'm getting the park name correct.

Chicago White Stockings park had 180 ft center field wall.

When they changed the rule that ball that fly over the wall were no longer doubles but home runs Ned Williamson hit 27 home runs- only two on the road.

[ipitch]

I'll say Braves Field 1915-25

Total number of home runs hit at Braves Field from 1915-1925: 0


(unless you include the dozens of inside-the-park HRs) :lookitup

[old perfessor]

Baker Bowl..with a rightfield wall only 272 feet from homeplate turned lefthanded hitting Chuck Klien from an above-average hitter into a Hall-of Famer.

[tdinan]

Old Yankee Stadium. The Porch. 296 to left, 4-foot fence.

[deadcenter~440]

I hope I'm getting the park name correct.

Chicago White Stockings park had 180 ft center field wall.

When they changed the rule that ball that fly over the wall were no longer doubles but home runs Ned Williamson hit 27 home runs- only two on the road.

:applaud:

I think the name of the Park was Lakeshore park and the centerfield wall was like 300', with the foul lines around 180'. That definitely affected the home run chase.

[Yankeefan90]

Old Yankee Stadium. The Porch. 296 to left, 4-foot fence.

If you were a left handed hitting ballplayer hitting in old YS (ie Babe Ruth, Roger Maris) your power number would be swelled a bit, but that's wyt the ballpark was built, so Ruth could hit HR. But right handed hitting ballplayer almost had, and to some degree still don't, no advantage in Yankee Stadium when it came to hitting for power that's why player like Joe Dimaggio and A-Rod really are great hitters because of what they have done with that disadvantage. But I'd say overall Yankees Stadium wasn't and still isn't the type of park that kind of taints records because overall it evens out. Sure you might have alot of left-handed hitting Yankees hit alot of HR, but you'll also have the right handed hitting Yankees hit alot doubles (and maybe triples, especially when Left Center was 461ft). So all in all Yankee Stadium was very even in terms of hitting, and current Yankees Stadium is about average for distance, so I wouldn't put Yankee Stadium in this category.

[tdinan]

If you were a left handed hitting ballplayer hitting in old YS (ie Babe Ruth, Roger Maris) your power number would be swelled a bit, but that's wyt the ballpark was built, so Ruth could hit HR. But right handed hitting ballplayer almost had, and to some degree still don't, no advantage in Yankee Stadium when it came to hitting for power that's why player like Joe Dimaggio and A-Rod really are great hitters because of what they have done with that disadvantage. But I'd say overall Yankees Stadium wasn't and still isn't the type of park that kind of taints records because overall it evens out. Sure you might have alot of left-handed hitting Yankees hit alot of HR, but you'll also have the right handed hitting Yankees hit alot doubles (and maybe triples, especially when Left Center was 461ft). So all in all Yankee Stadium was very even in terms of hitting, and current Yankees Stadium is about average for distance, so I wouldn't put Yankee Stadium in this category.


You are essentially saying the same thing I am...the HR records set by the lefty Yankee hitters (Ruth & Maris) could have been considered tainted because of the clear advantage The Porch provided them. The thing was SPECIFICALLY built for Ruth to hit HR's. Kind of like Kiner's Korner at Forbes Field.

[Yankeefan90]

You are essentially saying the same thing I am...the HR records set by the lefty Yankee hitters (Ruth & Maris) could have been considered tainted because of the clear advantage The Porch provided them. The thing was SPECIFICALLY built for Ruth to hit HR's. Kind of like Kiner's Korner at Forbes Field.

It's true that lefty numbers have been helped by the fact that the porch was very shallow but that advantage wasn't afforded to every hitter especially righties is what I'm saying, and I thoughts this thread was about ballparks tainting records for all hitters both rightes and lefties, Yankee Stadium is a ballpark that gives advantage to only 1 type of hitter thus not completly tainting all records. IMO a ballpark can't taint a record, how can you say well that HR should have been a flyball, or that flyball shoulda been a HR, you can't, because every ballpark has different dimensions, some that are fair some that aren't that fair. Like Fenway Park a HR hit down the RF line could be a HR but is a foul ball in every other park, is it tainting records, no. It's just the certain feature at that particular ballpark, and what makes it unique.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

You are essentially saying the same thing I am...the HR records set by the lefty Yankee hitters (Ruth & Maris) could have been considered tainted because of the clear advantage The Porch provided them. The thing was SPECIFICALLY built for Ruth to hit HR's. Kind of like Kiner's Korner at Forbes Field.

I don't consider that tainted. Your looking at the RF line only, what about the rest of Yankee Stadium.

When Ruth was playing it was 429 to deep right center----487 to center and 490+ a bit to the left of center. BTW Ruth was far from a pull hitter, he had to lose some home runs in those monster dimensions to RCF and RF.

As for Maris a pull hitter but even at that the rest of Yankee Stadium was bigger than any other parks in 1961. For that matter Fenway at 302 and Baltimore at 309 down the RF line were not that much deeper than that 296 at N.Y. Also in that Maris year Yankee Stadium had the deepest CF distance 461 only Detroit with 440 feet to CF was close.

Consider the whole park especially the right side at NY not just the RF line.

[Yankeefan90]

I don't consider that tainted. Your looking at the RF line only, what about the rest of Yankee Stadium.

When Ruth was playing it was 429 to deep right center----487 to center and 490+ a bit to the left of center. BTW Ruth was far from a pull hitter, he had to lose some home runs in those monster dimensions to RCF and RF.

As for Maris a pull hitter but even at that the rest of Yankee Stadium was bigger than any other parks in 1961. For that matter Fenway at 302 and Baltimore at 309 down the RF line were not that much deeper than that 296 at N.Y. Also in that Maris year Yankee Stadium had the deepest CF distance 461 only Detroit with 440 feet to CF was close.

Consider the whole park especially the right side at NY not just the RF line.


This is exactly what I was trying to say, but like I wrote in a later post, a ballpark can't really taint a record. It could if there was set dimensions and one team secretly moved thier walls deeper or more shallow without receiving permission from baseball. And while it maybe impossible to move the walls w/o somone noticing, some ballparks move the distance markers to a different place so they could put advertisements, so it's not totally out of the realm of possiblity. But there are no set dimensions and IMO ballparks can't taint records.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

This is exactly what I was trying to say, but like I wrote in a later post, a ballpark can't really taint a record. It could if there was set dimensions and one team secretly moved thier walls deeper or more shallow without receiving permission from baseball. And while it maybe impossible to move the walls w/o somone noticing, some ballparks move the distance markers to a different place so they could put advertisements, so it's not totally out of the realm of possiblity. But there are no set dimensions and IMO ballparks can't taint records.

Yankeefan90, my post #11 was in reply to the post #6 by TDINAN "Old Yankee Stadium the porch 296".

My point to counter his, although short down the line overall the right side of Yankee Stadium was no easy task for a left handed hitter, deeper than most other parks at that time 1927-1961.

[Sean O]

As for Maris a pull hitter but even at that the rest of Yankee Stadium was bigger than any other parks in 1961. For that matter Fenway at 302 and Baltimore at 309 down the RF line were not that much deeper than that 296 at N.Y.

Sorry, you're way way off on this one. Fenway's RF line is very short, but it becomes 380' 10' perpendicular from the line. It has the 2nd largest RF of any current park, and as far as I can tell only Crosley was close in 1961.

Essentially, if you mirrored Fenway and the Monster was only 3' high, and 15' closer, that's the "obstacle" Maris had to overcome for his 61.

[SHOELESSJOE3]

Sorry, you're way way off on this one. Fenway's RF line is very short, but it becomes 380' 10' perpendicular from the line. It has the 2nd largest RF of any current park, and as far as I can tell only Crosley was close in 1961.

Essentially, if you mirrored Fenway and the Monster was only 3' high, and 15' closer, that's the "obstacle" Maris had to overcome for his 61.

I'm aware of the situation in RF at Fenway and how it juts out rapidlly from that 302 to 380. I was replying to a post that brought up that 296 at NY and that is why I pointed out the 302 at Fenway. Never intended to say Fenway was easy once you get away from the line. Still after that sudden surge to 380 it does not increase much to deep right center. It's 380+ and at that same point in Yankee Stadium it's deeper by 27 feet at 407. Have you looked at my post #11, overall the right side of Yankee Stadium is deeper that all the rest. May I remind all home runs are not hit right down the line. When you get away from the line NY is not that easy on the right side. And a 420-430 for drive to CF is a home run anywhere in the AL except NY and Detroit, lets look at the whole right side not just the line.

Don't see how to compare left field at Fenway and mirror that. Not far from center at Fenway (deep LCF) 20+ feet from CF it's only 379 compared to at around 420 plus at NY in deepest RCF.

In that 1961 season Maris hit 30 home runs at home and 31 on the road.

To get to my main point only saying that overall on the right side at Yankee Stadium it's not that easy to hit one out, not once you get away from the line. Look at the chart I posted compare all the parks on the whole right side.