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Paulypal

10-21-2007, 06:26 PM

It seems he is universally accepted - pretty much anyway.

Combining him and Epstein I should be set for this winters training. I have been following Epstein for quite some time.

In between all the arguing around here between the Jets and Sharks (shameless West Side Story reference) I learned a few things that I believe in whole heartidly:

1) There is a seperation
2) There is coiling and uncoiling
3) the word "torque" is good in explaing 1 and 2
4) you must stay connected but your hands do explode at some point

FiveFrameSwing

10-21-2007, 10:37 PM

IMO, I believe that you'll find Yeager's description of the MLB swing to be the most accurate at this point in time.

While he doesn't give a lot of drills in his four DVDs, what you will come away with is a firm understanding of what are the most important elements of the MLB swing. That alone will help you emphasize your focus in cleaning up the most problematic areas of your student's swings. Having a better understanding of the mechanics will also help you avoid many of the drills out there that are unfortunately not helpful, and some of which are actually hurtful.

I understand that Yeager also has drills that he recommends. Any information on where to get that material would be appreciated.

kylebee

10-22-2007, 12:57 AM

I decided to order a set of Yeager DVD's as well, since I've heard a lot of good things.

mbs

10-22-2007, 04:38 AM

Yeager's videos are far and away the most enlightening hitting DVDs on the market....

As for the drills, you should contact Yeager--he has always been helpful...

He got my son out of the no-stride spin mode in 1-hour at his facility---its worth the trip!!!an outstanding place-- 4 video pitching systems...His T-Shirts are great--on the back it actually says "The Spin Stops Here" The session was even better than the DVDs.

tom.guerry

10-22-2007, 11:53 AM

Olliemets

10-23-2007, 07:49 AM

What's the title on the Yeager DVDs? Trying to figure out where to go to get them. I know all about Epstein, Mankin, Englishbey and they are easy to find.

Is it Steve Yeager the former catcher?

jbooth

10-23-2007, 08:09 AM

What's the title on the Yeager DVDs? Trying to figure out where to go to get them. I know all about Epstein, Mankin, Englishbey and they are easy to find.

Is it Steve Yeager the former catcher?

No, it is Chris Yeager, PhD.

His site is;

http://www.dryeagersbaseball.com

FiveFrameSwing

10-23-2007, 01:41 PM

Yeager had some good posts at Shawn's site, including responses to Nyman's "crackpot" criticism which actually showed Nyman's lack of understanding analyzing Pujol's swing.

The controversy here is enlightening, not just icky conflict to avoid.

Let's see if anyone feels threatened enough to delete.

Nyman thread:

http://www.setpro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8100

Yeager responses

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=254

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=255

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=257

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=258

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=261

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=263

You are right, Yeager did have some interesting things to say about Nyman.

I spent the next hour and a half sifting through Nyman’s site in an attempt to figure out exactly who this guy is and what he was trying to sell. I did enough looking around on his site to find out that he has never played coached or scouted baseball, nor does he have an education in Biomechanics, Kinesiology or any Human Movement science. He has never been an educator. He has never published, conducted or participated in any reputable study on human movement. And from the posts it appears he rarely, if ever, works with kids or anyone else for that matter.

The best I can tell, Nyman was a retired electrician in his mid-50’s who read a few chapter’s out of Richard Schmidt’s Motor Learning book and decided to cut and paste it as part of a website that would allow him to generate income without having to deal with “live” people.

Pro

10-23-2007, 07:28 PM

Good ones Tom, but I prefer these where Nyman's bad science is really exposed by Yeager. Remember Nyman is the father of pcr....and e-h

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Hitting/index.php?showtopic=256

Yeager:
At 2:17 We reach the FRONT-LEG-BLOCK (same marker as other post). . FRONT-LEG-BLOCK-The block and transfer of Linear Momentum into rotational momentum. (To Paul and the people he has confused- this is where forward momentum ends and rotation begins).

At 2:20 He actually says and I quote “Now if this is called blocking then I guess that’s what you might call it, but the problem is—is----that—what THERE IS NOTHING TO BLOCK”……………..

*******WHAT??????????Nyman: “THERE IS NOTHING TO BLOCK”……………..
what is he talking about??? What was moving Puljos forward??? What caused him to stop???

Beginning at 2:30 we have another great nugget. Nyman states that people don’t understand and struggle with momentum. He says “momentum is a product of mass times velocity and that as soon as velocity is gone then momentum is gone.” He looked that up correctly (If an object is NOT moving then it has NO momentum, easy)… but,
**********he does not understand the transferability of one form of momentum into another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (even though he used a fancy phrase like “if you will”).

His point here, that we all see, is that he believes that the linear momentum Pujols created is now gone and that that linear momentum is NOT converted/transferred into rotational momentum.

*******Nyman does not mention where the momentum went or what the purpose of the forward momentum was….??? And we know he does not believe that it is transferred into rotational momentum.

Why does Nyman think that all great hitters move the CENTER-OF-MASS FORWARD during their swings????
He does not believe that it is utilized to generate the rotational movements that occur immediately afterward.
If the FORWARD movement of the CENTER-OF-MASS does not assist in powering the rotational unwinding of the body, what most people consider the actual swing, then why do they all do it?????????????

Why do we build pitching mounds?

They increase the forward momentum of the pitcher by utilizing gravity’s pull on the human body!!!!!!

This results in additional momentum that is blocked and transferred during the pitcher’s FRONT-LEG-BLOCK! Rotational hip speeds are then increased and the momentum is passed up the Kinetic Chain.

Go back quickly to 2:17-2:29 and watch Pujols’ hip rotation. When does it begin? Just after the FRONT-LEG-BLOCK. The blocked forward momentum results in the beginning of hip rotation.

Now look at 3:23-3:28 further rotation of the hips is created by The FRONT-LEG-PUSH against the ground. This force production against the ground results in increased hip rotation.

Even with just this empirical evidence, we see the strong relationship between hip rotation and the Front Leg’s interaction with the ground.
Quote:
Another example of how the Wizard uses science to mystify and confuse rather than explain and teach.

From 3:30-4:31 We are at a point after the FRONT-LEG-BLOCK. At this point, and as I have been documented since my first video production in 1998, as well as the subsequent DVDs that many of you have, The Lead-Leg holds the great majority of the body’s CENTER-OF-PRESSURE. As those with the DVDs know, I go into great detail about how the back leg is not a force producing factor beyond this point. (again, I don’t care if you buy a DVD or not. They are there if you want to know what I have to say.)

He goes on about force couples in an attempt to show you how much he knows. He defines them correctly as a form of torque where “2 forces act in opposite directions around a point of rotation”.

Then as if somehow he is proving me wrong, he says that there is no force couple going on here. Well if I do not believe that the back leg is providing force in elite hitters after the FRONT-LEG-BLOCKS then I do not believe that there is a force “couple”.
This has nothing to do with proving his case or explaining the purpose of Pujols’ Forward momentum. He is just rambling on about something that sounds scientific.

****The important thing here is that he represents a Force-Couple with the spinning “figure skater”….????????

How is the spinning figure skater a FORCE COUPLE???????? It is not!!!!!! I know you guys are about to throw-up from the physics, but this is funny.

There are not “2 forces acting in opposite directions”

This is another example of the conservation of momentum not force-couples. When the skater brings the arms in, the rotational inertia is reduced and speed increases.
The closer the mass is to the axis of rotation, the faster the rotation will be. The total momentum remains the same(omitting friction).
It is conserved!

Again, Another example of how the Wizard uses science to mystify and confuse rather than explain and teach.

Finalizing Puljos:

At 4:35 he gets real fancy and starts talking about drawing a “free body diagram” and starts talking about vertical force here and there.
What this pretentious jerk is trying to make complicated is that the back foot is not “pushing” (my simpleton word). I.e. the is no horizontal “forward” force.

From 4:54 – 4:59 He observes that the extension of the lead leg results in hip rotation as he the subsequently denies it!!!!?????

From 4:59 – 5:20 He stutters around linear momentum etc….

At 5:21 Nyman begins to set up an experiment that you can try at home!
***He actually tells you to get into that position yourself!!!! - meaning angle your front leg back so that it is at about a 60 degree angle relative to the ground while just the tippy toes of the back foot are in contact with the ground – applying very little, if any force.
***Nyman even says “get in this STATIC position yourself”!!!!!!”
******That is the problem with your experiment you arrogant jerk! Pujols is NOT in a STATIC POSITION!!!!!!! He is in a state of dynamic balance!!!!, where his application of force against the ground is resulting in the coordinated rotation of body parts…..

This is a classic example of how some of our worst hitting information has been created.

Too many people come up with great ideas like: “squish the bug” – “front elbow to the ball-shortest hands path” and “weight back stride” in STATIC situations in front of mirrors at their house.

The elite level swing occurs in a state of dynamic balance which is what makes drillin certain aspects very difficult when removed from the full motion.
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