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leftypitcher934
10-14-2007, 01:55 PM
how do you grip and throw a 11-5 curveball and whats the difference between a 12-6 curve and a 11-5????
Chris O'Leary
10-14-2007, 03:53 PM
how do you grip and throw a 11-5 curveball and whats the difference between a 12-6 curve and a 11-5????
An 11-5 curveball is thrown with pronation and is in the screwball family (as is the circle change).
Postblank
10-14-2007, 05:24 PM
how do you grip and throw a 11-5 curveball and whats the difference between a 12-6 curve and a 11-5????
You grip the middle of an "upside down horseshoe" portion of the ball with a Vulcan-like split finger grip. Keep the pinky side of your middle finger pressed against the outside part of the seam. Having that resistance against your middle finger is important to get the appropriate flick/snap. Use of the thumb is discouraged, just keep it against the side of your hand.
Like Chris said, a curve ball that breaks back to P.A. side needs to be pronated. Do not try to throw it like a traditional curve and expect P.A.S. movement.
leftypitcher934
10-14-2007, 06:09 PM
do u have a picture to show me the grip??
Postblank
10-14-2007, 06:44 PM
Here you go.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Postblank/procurve4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Postblank/procurve3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/Postblank/procurve.jpg
beisbolcrazy22
10-14-2007, 10:35 PM
Being that your a lefty, I would assume that the difference would be the arm angle of the thrown ball?
A left hand curve coming in at 11-5 would have more side movement, probably a 3/4 arm slot. Ball moving left to right across the plate.
A left hand curve coming in at 12-6 would have more vertical movement, probably an overhand release. Ball moving top to bottom over the plate.
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10-14-2007, 10:46 PM
Being that your a lefty, I would assume that the difference would be the arm angle of the thrown ball?
A left hand curve coming in at 11-5 would have more side movement, probably a 3/4 arm slot. Ball moving left to right across the plate.
A left hand curve coming in at 12-6 would have more vertical movement, probably an overhand release. Ball moving top to bottom over the plate.
An 11-5 curve ball indicates overspin, which is what some of us at the Marshall camp can achieve. As best as someone whose mastery of the pronation curve ball is questionable can explain, an 11-5 is a 12-6 with english on it. I'm assuming LeftyPitcher means P.A.S. movement rather than spin axis, which is what the clock numbers actually indicate.
beisbolcrazy22
10-14-2007, 11:48 PM
How to throw a slider, curve ball, knuckle ball
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wogdoggy
10-15-2007, 09:38 AM
You grip the middle of an "upside down horseshoe" portion of the ball with a Vulcan-like split finger grip. Keep the pinky side of your middle finger pressed against the outside part of the seam. Having that resistance against your middle finger is important to get the appropriate flick/snap. Use of the thumb is discouraged, just keep it against the side of your hand.
Like Chris said, a curve ball that breaks back to P.A. side needs to be pronated. Do not try to throw it like a traditional curve and expect P.A.S. movement.
an 11 - 5 is just a different arm slot,,if you seperate your fingers like that in my opinion you are ASKING for elbow problems..stick with a 12- 6..and work on a correct slider from steve carltons website..
Never heard anyone speak of a 11/6 curve ball before. Where did you run into it Chris? Is it a Marshall pitch? From the description, it sounds more like a changeup since the rotation won't be sufficient for typical curve movement.
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10-15-2007, 07:12 PM
an 11 - 5 is just a different arm slot,,if you seperate your fingers like that in my opinion you are ASKING for elbow problems..stick with a 12- 6..and work on a correct slider from steve carltons website..
What?
We pronate the release of all of our pitches, those who throw Marshall cannot hurt their elbow. Utilizing the pronator teres protects the ulnar collateral ligament and elbow joint. You cannot injure your elbow throwing like we do, it's not possible.
leftypitcher934
10-15-2007, 07:29 PM
so for a lefty would you a 11-5 breaking ball is more of a slider or slurve than a curve
beisbolcrazy22
10-15-2007, 11:46 PM
that is correct. hard slider maybe.