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BoardMember
10-10-2007, 11:04 PM
Check out the headline on this page. I'm assuming this isn't just limited to this site............
Bad News (http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html)
I hear HI is next........
Go Cardinals
10-10-2007, 11:12 PM
is it going to happen here? and what is hi?
commercial venture using mlb pics to attract traffic?
Drill
10-11-2007, 07:53 AM
so has anyone ever asked MLB permission to use stuff they dvr'ed? (expressed written permission)
if so wounder what the answer would be
drill
wogdoggy
10-11-2007, 07:56 AM
yes but major league CANNOT stop the slow mo videos i took at the ball park with my camera..
Jake Patterson
10-11-2007, 08:49 AM
If MLB wants us to stop we will get contacted through BBF's Webmaster. He will notify me. Until then... Using copywrited material for the use of free and open discussion is viewed differently by the offendee than using it on a site whose purpose it is is to sell product. Here we sell nothing only list resources and discuss techniques and methods.
Until we are notified I would not worry about it...
Jake
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BoardMember
10-11-2007, 09:37 AM
What about a site that charges a fee for access to view hundreds of MLB clips mostly stollen from MLB broadcasts?
Uh oh......
If MLB wants us to stop we will get contacted through BBF's Webmaster. He will notify me. Until then... Using copywrited material for the use of free and open discussion is viewed differently by the offendee than using it on a site whose purpose it is is to sell product. Here we sell nothing only list resources and discuss techniques and methods.
Until we are notified I would not worry about it...
Jake
101 Mod
Baseball gLove
10-11-2007, 10:26 AM
He wasn't making money off of those clips. I placed great value in that site because it allowed me to compare what was being taught to what actual happens in an MLB swing. I have called the MLB League Office at (212) 931-7800 to voice my displeasure with their actions. The MLB and the MLBPA (MLB Players Association) are looking to expand their licensing power to increase revenue. They took similar action last year dictating to the licensed trading card manufacturers what can be called a rookie card. The result? Now there is more confusion.
deaconspoint
10-11-2007, 10:57 AM
I placed great value in that site because it allowed me to compare what was being taught to what actual happens in an MLB swing.
I hate to see that happen as well. Siggy's site is still up and running though.
Jake,
has someone created this awareness to MLB which forced them to act? I have heard from someone that is close to Don Slaught he has paid for the use of MLB clips in the thousands for the use. I don't think he appreciates other people getting to use these clips for free. I have also heard Mike Epstein has paid MLB for use of clips. Is this why this has created the stir? I was told this was going to take place 5 mothes ago but I wasn't sure the infirmation was valid. I hope this can be cleared up because the use really helps all learn more about improving all hitters. Thoughts?
EL,
Encinitas
10-11-2007, 11:54 AM
I don't think you pay to see the MLB clips at hittingillustrated they are in the free section.
You pay $25 for access to the private forum and your own personal web site. Considering that I haven't had to deal with how large or how much data I have out there, it's not a bad deal. Now if I were running my own hitting business I'd probably do something more like Jim Booth and setup my own site/domain etc, but otherwise the site at HI suits my needs.
LClifton
10-11-2007, 12:00 PM
What about a site that charges a fee for access to view hundreds of MLB clips mostly stollen from MLB broadcasts?
Uh oh......
You should turn them in since it bothers you so.
What does "stollen" mean?
FiveFrameSwing
10-11-2007, 01:06 PM
the site at HI suits my needs.
Is the HI site the same as Siggy's site?
If not, could someone please post a link to it?
CoachB25
10-11-2007, 01:20 PM
If MLB wants us to stop we will get contacted through BBF's Webmaster. He will notify me. Until then... Using copywrited material for the use of free and open discussion is viewed differently by the offendee than using it on a site whose purpose it is is to sell product. Here we sell nothing only list resources and discuss techniques and methods.
Until we are notified I would not worry about it...
Jake
101 Mod
Interesting!!! I'll have to keep this in mind for another site.
glovemedic
10-11-2007, 01:55 PM
The MLB and the MLBPA (MLB Players Association) are looking to expand their licensing power to increase revenue. They took similar action last year dictating to the licensed trading card manufacturers what can be called a rookie card. The result? Now there is more confusion.
Its all about the money, that's why they have gone after youth baseball teams for using pro team names and unofficial logos, etc. MLB cannot stand the idea that people want to play the game and they not get a piece of the action. But then again, can you blame them with player salaries escalating at an all time astronomical rate? I am waiting for them to get exclusive rights to "the game" and force every local youth organization to pay a royalty fee to MLB/MLBPA in addition to the USSSA/Babe Ruth/LL/etc. roster sanction fees we already pay. What part of anti-trust legislation needs to be clarified for these knuckle heads? They have been trying their best to kill the game and alienate their fan base to take home a few bucks for so long.
CoachB25
10-11-2007, 02:13 PM
What will we do when those clips can no longer be posted? I envision an internet world where the guru of all gurus bellys away from the bar and ask us to reference video 1,200 of his softball league.
Before anyone jumps to *%^*%* defense, no, I'm uglier than dirt so you won't see any video of me.
Williamsburg2599
10-11-2007, 02:19 PM
Does that mean that all the clips linked from youthbaseballcoaching.com to here are dead? Anybody have some examples from the archives that use YBC.com links to show me if they're still working? Just curious.
Jim W.
10-11-2007, 02:30 PM
Its all about the money, that's why they have gone after youth baseball teams for using pro team names and unofficial logos, etc. MLB cannot stand the idea that people want to play the game and they not get a piece of the action. But then again, can you blame them with player salaries escalating at an all time astronomical rate? I am waiting for them to get exclusive rights to "the game" and force every local youth organization to pay a royalty fee to MLB/MLBPA in addition to the USSSA/Babe Ruth/LL/etc. roster sanction fees we already pay. What part of anti-trust legislation needs to be clarified for these knuckle heads? They have been trying their best to kill the game and alienate their fan base to take home a few bucks for so long.
You're right!! Have you read "Dropping the Ball" by Dave Winfield? MLB needs to get with the Baseball United program or it will die.:pray: That's sad.
Baseball gLove
10-11-2007, 02:52 PM
You're right!! Have you read "Dropping the Ball" by Dave Winfield? MLB needs to get with the Baseball United program or it will die.:pray: That's sad.
A bunch of phone calls to the MLB League Office at (212) 931-7800 might be a good start. Perhaps calls and letters to the media as well.
jbooth
10-11-2007, 03:12 PM
Its all about the money, that's why they have gone after youth baseball teams for using pro team names and unofficial logos, etc. MLB cannot stand the idea that people want to play the game and they not get a piece of the action. But then again, can you blame them with player salaries escalating at an all time astronomical rate? I am waiting for them to get exclusive rights to "the game" and force every local youth organization to pay a royalty fee to MLB/MLBPA in addition to the USSSA/Babe Ruth/LL/etc. roster sanction fees we already pay. What part of anti-trust legislation needs to be clarified for these knuckle heads? They have been trying their best to kill the game and alienate their fan base to take home a few bucks for so long.
I guess you are unaware of the fact that MLB is exempt from anti-trust laws.
Here are some facts;
Baseball has been exempt from antitrust laws since 1922, when the Supreme Court ruled in its favor in Federal Baseball Club of Baltimore, Inc. v. National Baseball Clubs. The Supreme Court determined even though there was scheduling of games across state lines, those games were intrastate events since the travel from one state to another was "not the essential thing," Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote in the decision.
Baltimore, a member of the Federal League that operated as a major league in 1914-15, had sued the National and American Leagues, charging the Federal League's inability to sign players was due to antitrust violations.
At the time of the 1922 ruling, the National and American Leagues were merely umbrella organizations. They arranged the schedules and set the rules, but the business was entirely local in the sense that there was no revenue sharing, no radio or television and no national sponsors or licensing deals.
By virtue of the exemption, coupled with decades of reluctance of various courts to overrule, baseball is the only sport, or business for that matter, that has an exemption to the extent that it does.
BoardMember
10-11-2007, 09:04 PM
What would make you think it bothers me? :confused:
And "stollen" is the same as "prolly".
Don't you know the new puter language from the kids yet? Get with it 'ol man! :atthepc
You should turn them in since it bothers you so.
What does "stollen" mean?
Go Cardinals
10-11-2007, 09:13 PM
is siggy's site going to get in trouble, or is it ok because it is free....>?
BoardMember
10-11-2007, 09:19 PM
No one is safe. Big brother is watching.........:crazy
is siggy's site going to get in trouble, or is it ok because it is free....>?
Go Cardinals
10-11-2007, 09:20 PM
No one is safe. Big brother is watching.........:crazy
rofl ol' man.... lol
TG Coach
10-11-2007, 10:51 PM
Its all about the money, that's why they have gone after youth baseball teams for using pro team names and unofficial logos, etc. MLB cannot stand the idea that people want to play the game and they not get a piece of the action.
When my son was in LL, the league was notified teams could not wear officially licensed MLB team hats in league play without paying a fee. How did MLB find out? I'll guess it was an MLB front office person involved with the local CR league competing for players.
jbooth
10-11-2007, 11:50 PM
When my son was in LL, the league was notified teams could not wear officially licensed MLB team hats in league play without paying a fee. How did MLB find out? I'll guess it was an MLB front office person involved with the local CR league competing for players.
That is not true. MLB does not charge non-profit youth leagues a licensing fee. Never has.
A rumor went around a few years ago, but it was untrue. I was a league board member, and district staff member for 20 years. Never paid anything to MLB ever. If your league paid a fee then something is awry. The licensing fee is included in the price when you buy the hat/shirt from the seller. You don't have to pay extra.
Baseball gLove
10-11-2007, 11:58 PM
That is not true. MLB does not charge non-profit youth leagues a licensing fee. Never has.
A rumor went around a few years ago, but it was untrue. I was a league board member, and district staff member for 20 years. Never paid anything to MLB ever. If your league paid a fee then something is awry. The licensing fee is included in the price when you buy the hat/shirt from the seller. You don't have to pay extra.
Actually we do in the form of higher prices for the uniforms. We got around it for one year by switching to Minor League uniforms
jbooth
10-12-2007, 12:03 AM
Actually we do in the form of higher prices for the uniforms. We got around it for one year by switching to Minor League uniforms
Yes, the MLB hats and shirts probably cost more, but my point was; there is no special/extra fee that is charged above and beyond the cost of the hat/shirt.