Fewest starts w/ a no no

[RubeBaker]

This is not one I know the answer to, but am curious to know. What pitcher that has thrown a no hitter has had the fewest career starts?

Also, what pitcher that has thrown a no hitter has appeared in the fewest games (this would be for someone like Buchholz who went from starter to the pen)?

[Trivia Guy]

This is not one I know the answer to, but am curious to know. What pitcher that has thrown a no hitter has had the fewest career starts?

Also, what pitcher that has thrown a no hitter has appeared in the fewest games (this would be for someone like Buchholz who went from starter to the pen)?

Do you mean starts before throwing the no-hitter or total career starts?

Not sure if it is the record but Bud Smith threw a no-hitter for the Cardinals and only appeared in 27 major league games..........

[Utter Chaos]

Bobo Holloman pitched a no-hitter with only 22 career games and 10 career starts.

[Macker]

Bumpus Jones pitched a no-hitter in his first game and appeared in only 7 more games.

[RubeBaker]

Do you mean starts before throwing the no-hitter or total career starts?

Not sure if it is the record but Bud Smith threw a no-hitter for the Cardinals ans only appeared in 27 major league games..........

I meant total career.

I'd be surprised if anyone beats Bumpus..

[Utter Chaos]

Well, technically Jones didn't throw a no-no which is what you're asking in the thread subject. A no-no means no hits and no runs. Jones won his game 7-1.

[Macker]

If you want to be technical, you shouldn't quibble over baseball slang. People may have different definitions, but I've always considered a "no-no" to be a no-hitter (regardless of whether runs scored.) The Dickson Baseball Dictionary lists it as a synonym for a no-hitter.

[ipitch]

As does Webster's.
http://www.webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=no+no
Main Entry: no-no
Pronunciation: 'nO-"nO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural no-no's or no-nos
1 : something unacceptable or forbidden
2 : NO-HITTER

[Brian McKenna]

Ted Breitenstein threw one in his first ML start - but not first appearance like Jones.

[Brooklyn]

I believe that the term no-no started to mean no hits and no runs, but has been used to just mean no hits. Before I saw Macker's definition, I would have said "incorrectly used to just mean no hits".

If it does include no hitters where a run is scored, why the need for the second "no"?

[hartman74]

The only pitchers who threw no hitters early in their rookie seasons.

1. Bobo Holloman
2. Burt Hooton threw a no hitter in 1972 as a Cubs pitcher vs. Phillies
3. Mike Warren threw a no hitter in 1983 as an Oakland A's vs. White Sox

[Brooklyn]

The term "no-no" initially meant "no hits, no runs". If you want to say the term has evolved into meaning just "no hits" under common usage, I couldn't argue with you. But no hits, no runs is more impressive then just no hits. And "no hits, no runs" is a mouthful and needs to be shortened, whereas "no hitter" does not need to be shortened.

If you you like the term "no-no" to refer to just "no-hits", then how do you distinguish between "no hits" and "no hits, no runs"?

[Utter Chaos]

It's called alliteration, the flow of speech. It's why you don't hear people saying "he pitched a no today". For anybody to claim that a no-no absolutely has to mean no runs AND no hits is the epitome of being anal. I'm guessing that Utter also went into Wikipedia and entered the no-no definition under no-hitter, because that's the ultinate source of information.

Chaos also claimed that producer Harry Frazee, a former owner of the Boston Red Sox, financed the show No No Nanette by selling baseball superstar Babe Ruth to the New York Yankees, resulting in the Curse of the Bambino, although in reality the sale had occurred five years earlier.

Now that's a no-no!A) I never said a no-no absolutely has to mean no runs AND no hits. I said "technically it means no hits and no runs" and I was only mentioning it to point out the fact that Jones gave up a run in his "no-no".

B) I've never entered any information into Wikipedia and didn't even know they mentioned no-no there, but it's nice to know a reliable source like Wikipedia supports the definition.

C) I never made any claims about Harry Frazee before. Where are you getting your information from??? :confused: And if you're going to be anal about dates of plays and sales then maybe you should research the whole story. On 11/1/19 Frazee defaulted on a 125K payment which is what the cost was to produce his latest play which opened in New York on 12/3/19. Frazee called Jake Ruppert, owner of the Yankees, for a loan of around 500k in order to pay off his loan used to produce My Lady Friends and to purchase his own theater. Instead Ruppert suggested they talk about Ruth. Eventually on 1/3/20, Ruppert loaned Frazee $300,000 and bought Ruth for $125,000. On 3/26/20, Frazee purchase the Harris Theatre in New York for an undisclosed amount. The play My Lady Friends ran until June of 1920. Frazee tinkered with the play eventually putting it to music and re-released it 5 years later with a new name, No-no Nanette.

D) Before you criticize others maybe you should learn how to spell ultimate

[Macker]

If you you like the term "no-no" to refer to just "no-hits", then how do you distinguish between "no hits" and "no hits, no runs"?

These days I don't think anybody does. When is the last time you saw an article or broadcast saying a pitcher threw a "no-hit, no-run game?" They always just say "no-hitter."