Who's Going to Lose their Job this Off-season

[NickU]

We know heads are going to roll, but who's? Willie Randolph or pitching coach Rick Peterson in New York, or both? How about Ozzie Guillen, two disapointing seasons in a row? Should Jim Leyland be blamed for the fall in Detroit? Should Saint Louis show Tony LaRussa the door? I don't think the last two should go anywhere, but there are differing opinions out there... any others you feel should go? and why? what about Ron Gardenhire or should seattle replace john mclaren?

[rockin500]

We know heads are going to roll, but who's? Willie Randolph or pitching coach Rick Peterson in New York, or both? How about Ozzie Guillen, two disapointing seasons in a row? Should Jim Leyland be blamed for the fall in Detroit? Should Saint Louis show Tony LaRussa the door? I don't think the last two should go anywhere, but there are differing opinions out there... any others you feel should go? and why? what about Ron Gardenhire or should seattle replace john mclaren?
neither ozzie or willie randolph will go. willie will get heat, but in the end he will stick. ozzie has zero chance of firing. he just signed a 5 year extension.

leyland? are you kidding? larussa may leave of his own volition.

[ChrisLDuncan]

Hopefully Joe Torre.

[AznInvasion]

Willie Randolph is in serious trouble! Ozzie signed a 4-year extension on 9/11/07.

[ElHalo]

Roger Clemens. Barry Bonds. David Wells. Probably Coco Crisp.

[AutographCollector]

We know heads are going to roll, but who's? Willie Randolph or pitching coach Rick Peterson in New York, or both?

Realistically? Neither one of them will be let go. Randolph will take the brash of the heat, but Peterson in my opinion... has done a good job.

[penneyAA]

Omar Minaya should go.He's responsible for putting together that bullpen.

[NYMets523]

Omar Minaya should go.He's responsible for putting together that bullpen.

I can't get on him too much. He expected Duaner Sanchez to be back, but he never did come back. I'm pissed he gave Mota the 2 year deal. But the others, I can't blame him on. Not much was out and Willie Randolph did misuse it. He tried to get Cordero and Gagne at the deadline but the price was too high.


As for Willie Randolph, the best thing that could come from this collapse is he lose his job. He is a strategic retard, he lets veterans walk all over him, he has an iron fist with younger guys, he never protects his players (look at how many suspensions they've had all year), and I believe he instilled a sense of arrogance and entitlement on them that they would win the division regardless of what happened (He said in a post-game conference that their slump would make the champagne taste sweeter). It wasn't until Friday or Saturday he ended his tired "We played hard. They [opponent] deserved to win. I believe in my guys. We'll turn the page and go out tomorrow" post game comments and had this "We need to shape up and do better, no room for error now." attitude. Nothing would make me more happy than to see him lose his job and have the front office get a REAL manager. There was a reason Willie Randolph got rejected 10 times from a managerial job. We've seen it in his 3 years why he did. He got lucky with an overachieving team in 2005 and lucky with a good team and weak league last year. When the game is on the line, he is a deer in headlights.

[penneyAA]

As for Willie Randolph, the best thing that could come from this collapse is he lose his job. He is a strategic retard, he lets veterans walk all over him, he has an iron fist with younger guys, he never protects his players (look at how many suspensions they've had all year), and I believe he instilled a sense of arrogance and entitlement on them that they would win the division regardless of what happened (He said in a post-game conference that their slump would make the champagne taste sweeter). It wasn't until Friday or Saturday he ended his tired "We played hard. They [opponent] deserved to win. I believe in my guys. We'll turn the page and go out tomorrow" post game comments and had this "We need to shape up and do better, no room for error now." attitude. Nothing would make me more happy than to see him lose his job and have the front office get a REAL manager. There was a reason Willie Randolph got rejected 10 times from a managerial job. We've seen it in his 3 years why he did. He got lucky with an overachieving team in 2005 and lucky with a good team and weak league last year. When the game is on the line, he is a deer in headlights.

What's Randolph's relationship with the GM.Is there any real chance he'll get axed.I don't follow the Mets closely.From afar it looked like Randolph was/is a good manager, alas, I didn't realize his shortcomings.Did he ever manage in the minor leagues before the Mets gig?

[penneyAA]

Buddy Bell already resigned.Grady Little, perhaps.Weird mix of really old and really young there in LA.

[NYMets523]

What's Randolph's relationship with the GM.Is there any real chance he'll get axed.I don't follow the Mets closely.From afar it looked like Randolph was/is a good manager, alas, I didn't realize his shortcomings.Did he ever manage in the minor leagues before the Mets gig?

Minaya has said Willie and him are a team. I don't know what to make of it. I think it's just a facade. Nonetheless, it's up to the owners on whether or not to fire Willie.

He never managed at all before 2005. The only thing he did was be the Yankee's 3B coach. He learned form Clueless Joe how to manage.

[penneyAA]

Larussa, if the St.Louis rumors are true, would look good in New York.Of course the Mets would have to act now to have any chance of securing him.

[Mattingly]

Roger Clemens. Barry Bonds. David Wells. Probably Coco Crisp.
Isn't this thread about baseball managers, coaches and GMs?

Minaya has said Willie and him are a team. I don't know what to make of it. I think it's just a facade. Nonetheless, it's up to the owners on whether or not to fire Willie.

He never managed at all before 2005. The only thing he did was be the Yankee's 3B coach. He learned form Clueless Joe how to manage.
He was the Yankees' bench coach in 2004. This was seemingly to make him more attractive as a rookie manager, since he'd been passed over for being made a manager too often as a 3B coach. The Mets presented an opportunity for the Brooklyn-born Randolph.

One problem with Torre has always been his in-game decisions, as well as slow reaction time to when the game is getting out of hand. I think it was a recent Tampa Bay game, he'd let reliever Brian Bruney, who'd walked in a runner, face a batter with the bases loaded, 2 outs. I thought that since Vizcaino was set to pitch the 7th anyway, that he would come into that situation. Didn't happen, and Bruney gave up the 2-out slam. One batter too many, and the game was lost on that indecision on Torre's part.

With better coaches than before, including former managers Tony Pena and Larry Bowa, many Yankee fans will still scream at Torre's indecisions, but at least they can be corrected in later days.

I still feel that Torre's strength is that the players have great confidence in him, and they said this in the postgame. Jeter's calling him "Mr Torre" is well-known, but Posada and even the new kids all looked up to him.

If the Mets coaches are going to be good in-game people, which may be Willy Randolph's shortcoming, then I believe that they'd need strength in the areas where Randolph is weak.

I'm hearing on the radio that Mets fans were saying that Torre was taking out starting pitchers too early, so they'd used the pen too much. If that's Willy's weakness, then the coaches would have to be there to help him.

[Zagi-CRO]

1. Ozzie Guillen
2. Bruce Bochy
3. Ron Washington
4. Tony LaRussa
5. Ron Gardenhire
6. Willie Randolph

Could be promoted to the best clubs:
1.Manny Acta
2.Bud Black

[AutographCollector]

Could be promoted to the best clubs:
1.Manny Acta

Acta just extended his contract with the Nats for a few more yrs. I think up until 2009.

[Zagi-CRO]

Acta just extended his contract with the Nats for a few more yrs. I think up until 2009.

Ok, he's a really good Manager. Among the Best 5 in MLB.

[plask_stirlac]

The '06 White Sox were a disappointment? Maybe a mild one... but Ozzie can't pitch for Buehrle or Vazquez. Teams can't always win 95 other than the $200M Yankees.

[Bukanier]

There's some wishful thinking among internet fans about this, but Jim Tracy will likely be replaced.

[KCGHOST]

There's some wishful thinking among internet fans about this, but Jim Tracy will likely be replaced.

That's my bet, too. Tracy seems to have worn thin with the players and fans and new GM's frequently like to hire their own manager.

I wouldn't be shocked to see Toronto unload John Gibbons or for the A's to drop Bob Geren.

Willie Randolph certainly "managed" his way right into a GM's gunsights. His future will come down to how well he and Minaya get along and how much heat Minaya is getting from the Mets owners.

[Zagi-CRO]

The '06 White Sox were a disappointment? Maybe a mild one... but Ozzie can't pitch for Buehrle or Vazquez. Teams can't always win 95 other than the $200M Yankees.

Ok, it's true. Ozzie can't pitch. But who will pitch?
Again, Buehrle...

[NYMets523]

He was the Yankees' bench coach in 2004. This was seemingly to make him more attractive as a rookie manager, since he'd been passed over for being made a manager too often as a 3B coach. The Mets presented an opportunity for the Brooklyn-born Randolph.
They were stupid to give him the job if he had no experience managing in the minors.

One batter too many, and the game was lost on that indecision on Torre's part.
Willie does that a lot with the relievers.

If the Mets coaches are going to be good in-game people, which may be Willy Randolph's shortcoming, then I believe that they'd need strength in the areas where Randolph is weak.
I think Willie's problem is he is too stubborn to listen. He always says he goes by his 'gut'. His gut tells him to use Mota against a right with the bases loaded but Mota is awful with runners on base. He continued to use Heilman as the set up man even though Heilman gave up so many big hits all year when Felicano could have been the set up man. He had a lower ERA, BAA, and induces more ground balls.

I'm hearing on the radio that Mets fans were saying that Torre was taking out starting pitchers too early, so they'd used the pen too much. If that's Willy's weakness, then the coaches would have to be there to help him.
A lot of the problem was the pitchers couldn't go deep consistently. But Willie would always bring in Mota when the game was close. He'd also bring in Feliciano to get 1 guy out. But he would PH for Feliciano instead of having double switched him into the game to at least get 2 more outs from him. He'll also have Alou run the bases late in the game and then take him out for Endy or Milledge or Gomez for defense in the next frame. He could have had them pinch run and allowed that run to score from 2nd on a well hit single.

[RubeBaker]

Willie is going to get a lot of flack for what happened in New York, and it's really not his fault.

Forget the bullpen, the entire team just absolutely collapsed. Look at what happened on Sunday. I don't think anybody is going to argue putting a future hall of fame, 14 game winner in Tom Glavine on the mound in a key situation, but what was Willie supposed to do in the first inning when couldn't even get 2 outs? Is it Wilie's fault they loaded the bases twice and their hitters completely forgot how to hit (seriously, Lo Duca's check swing was pitiful). He may end up the scapegoat, but what happened was not Willie's fault.

[NYMets523]

It's his fault. You're forgetting the 161 other games he's "managed".

He kept acting like they were going to clinch no matter what. He even said in a post-game "This [slump] will only make the champagne taste sweeter." He instilled a sense of arrogance and entitlement on the team that they never proved on the field. It wasn't until around Wednesday where came out with a "We need to shape up" attitude.

He deserves a lot of flack for what happened. He let the players coast through the season and made them think they would win no matter what. He made them think the could just magically turn it on in the post-season like they saw the Carindals do. Him getting fired would be a step in the right direction.

[NickU]

that's what im saying about new york, someone's head has to roll, it's either minaya's or randolph's someone has to take the blame... new york isn't the place where people are just going to excuse this meltdown/disappointment like say people in detroit. the tigers fans will give jim leyland a pass even though they were the favorites.

[NYMets523]

that's what im saying about new york, someone's head has to roll, it's either minaya's or randolph's someone has to take the blame... new york isn't the place where people are just going to excuse this meltdown/disappointment like say people in detroit. the tigers fans will give jim leyland a pass even though they were the favorites.

This is no ordinary meltdown or disappointment. This is huge. Baseball Prospectus rates it at #2 between the 1995 Angels and 1951 Dodgers.

[mojorisin71]

This is no ordinary meltdown or disappointment. This is huge. Baseball Prospectus rates it at #2 between the 1995 Angels and 1951 Dodgers.
Wouldn't it be #3?

I'd go with Willie Randolph and Jim Tracy. Whoever suggested Gardenhire has to have a short-term memory. Four division titles and two ALCS appearances in six years isn't enough? Bochy, Washington, and Geren aren't going to be fired after one season unless any of them have feuded with the owner (à la Joe Girardi).

[NYMets523]

Wouldn't it be #3?

They say it would be #2.

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6764

The Mets (99.80 percent on September 12th) would rank second all-time if they miss, making good on a 500-to-1 shot against.

Here's an article published today about them specifically. I don't have a subscription to BP. If someone does, I'd appreciate it if they could copy it and PM it to me.

http://baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6773

[ElHalo]

Isn't this thread about baseball managers, coaches and GMs?


I didn't see anything in the thread title or the first post that says "Please limit yourself to only baseball managers, coaches, and GM's." This is a baseball board, so I probably wouldn't name somebody like, say, the guy in charge of regulating Collateralized Debt Obligation offerings at Bear Stearns (even though he's certainly out the door), but I don't see why players, announcers, ballboys, and hotdog vendors aren't fair game.

[Mariano_Rivera]

Maybe its wishful thinking on my part but I think that even the front office is getting tired of Torre's terrible bullpen management

[penneyAA]

Let's start with Selig.

[StraightGrain11]

that's what im saying about new york, someone's head has to roll, it's either minaya's or randolph's someone has to take the blame... new york isn't the place where people are just going to excuse this meltdown/disappointment like say people in detroit. the tigers fans will give jim leyland a pass even though they were the favorites.

I'll admit Jimmy didn't always make the greatest decisions, but look at our bullpen. I mean c'mon, how many no-doubt-about-it wins did Robertson have turned into ND because of them? WAY too many. We also had a ton of injuries (not an excuse, I know) - also not Jimmy's fault. And after watching us lose and lose and lose and lose and lose for 10+ straight years (plus we've had the lions and MILLEN :rant: to deal with), to finally have back-to-back winning seasons....yea, we'll let Jimmy slide on this one, he's been a godsend.

Anybody know if Girrardi is going anywhere/doing anything?